[PICTURES] Is Joe Root’s reputation in danger due to Indian propaganda?

[mominsaigol]

Doesn't matter if they are edgy, gritty, scored on one leg or flukes, he just needs to break the teenda record so we can banish the Tendulkar myth once and for all.

I have watched Tenda play but how is it even possible for him to not score 500 runs in a series even once?

I never actually put much thought into this, I ignored it but 500 runs in a 3 or 5 match series is honestly not much.

In a 3 match series is tight but done multiple times. He didnt even do it vs Zimb? .

 

[Energy]

It will only be fitting for an English batter to get to the top of all-time run scorers in this glorious gentlemen sport.

 

[Mamoon]

Tendulkar averages 40+ in all countries and has a 52 away average, Anderson is not the bowling version of Tendulkar simply because of the above.
Anderson is a renowned home bully while Tendulkar is a renowned all conditions player, there is simply no comparison in their quality or characteristics apart from the fact that they both have longevity.


I don’t see any similarity at all.

The most important point being that Tendulkar would have been an ATG even if he played half his matches while Anderson wouldn’t even be a country great let alone an ATG.

Andersons ATG status is built on longevity, Sachin s ATG status is based on quality.


Infact Tendulkar averaged 58 after 100 tests.

There is no comparison between Sachin and Anderson.

Anderson was mostly a home track bully in one format where as Sachi has ATG level stats across formats in all continents.

Also who said that longevity is bad? Why is it considered as a bad thing? Playing for 25 years, against bowlers of multiple generations and yet maintaining top avg is no easy task. It is way better than flash in the pan cricketers who has few years of peak.

Tendulkar carried on for too long is a myth as well. He was India's best batter in 2011 world cup. Post that he hardly played many ODIs and retired after Asia cup in 2012 (march). His test form only detoriated when NZ toured India in 2012 and he retired in 2013. So how did he carry on for long?

There are many false facts and myths that Pakistanis carry about Sachin and most of it is not true like how his legs were trembling facing Akhtar

He is the best cross format batsman of all time hands down and it is taking multiple modern day batters to break his records in installments.

I have said already in multiple ways that Tendulkar is better than Anderson. However, there are strong parallels between their careers and Indians should not be shying away from that.

The strongest parallel is that both players hold 0 records that are not tied to number of matches played.

If Tendulkar was the greatest, he would also have records that are not bound by longevity, but he does not. Not a single one.

If Tendulkar was the greatest, he would have held at least a few of the following records:

• Highest average
• Highest individual score
• Multiple triple hundreds
• Best double-century to innings played ratio
• Best MOM/MOS to matches/series played ratio
• Multiple series with 500+ runs
• Multiple years as the leading run scorer in calendar year

However, he holds none of these records. This is a clear indication that he was not better in terms of skill and talent than any other 50+ averaging batsman. It’s just that his career stretched longer.

Therefore, the difference between him and batsmen like Lara, Kallis, Sangakkara, Root, Younis Khan etc. is just number of matches played.

As far as him prolonging his career is concerned, it is not a myth. Had he didn’t choke in the World Cup final and scored a century, he would have retired from ODIs. It was the perfect send-off for him in the format but he dragged his ODI career for another 12 months to score his 100th ton in what proved to be a rubbish, self-centered knock vs Bangladesh in the Asia Cup which India rightfully lost.

The fact that he didn’t retire from ODIs until he scored his 100th ton when he could have continued to play Tests only proved that he was hanging around for his milestone only which was embarrassing. He wanted to play both formats until the 100th ton to maximize his chances.

Well if Indian fans don’t have a problem with encouraging this mindset and culture I don’t have a problem either.

 

[Ab Fan]

Joe Root is a high class player and I enjoy watching him and like it but Pakistani fans who don’t have any inspirational figure to look forward to are trying their best to put Joe Root down in eyes of Indian fans by deliberately pitting him against the truly legendary batsman Tendulkar who averages 50+ both home and away.

 

[mominsaigol]

Joe Root is a high class player and I enjoy watching him and like it but Pakistani fans who don’t have any inspirational figure to look forward to are trying their best to put Joe Root down in eyes of Indian fans by deliberately pitting him against the truly legendary batsman Tendulkar who averages 50+ both home and away.

Just like indian fans who dont have any inspirational figure and are desperately putting jadeja against Pollock

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

You know I have noticed this alot more recently. One individual was even claiming that he's mentally weak or can't perform against India... something to that effect. Which is such a load of nonsense considering he averages 58 against India and 45 in India.

I think certain Indians are insecure/jealous because he has a very good chance of overtaking Tendulkar, and is in the prime of his life. Also the best batsman in the world right now IMO.

The one place where he is yet to perform is Australia. And he needs to have a really good series there to be considered among the greats. Which means he will have to work on his historical struggles against bounce there. I think the upcoming Ashes will be his biggest test as a batsman. Because pitches in Australia are no longer as flat as they used to be.

 

[mominsaigol]

You know I have noticed this alot more recently. One individual was even claiming that he's mentally weak or can't perform against India... something to that effect. Which is such a load of nonsense considering he averages 58 against India and 45 in India.

I think certain Indians are insecure/jealous because he has a very good chance of overtaking Tendulkar, and is in the prime of his life. Also the best batsman in the world right now IMO.

The one place where he is yet to perform is Australia. And he needs to have a really good series there to be considered among the greats. Which means he will have to work on his historical struggles against bounce there. I think the upcoming Ashes will be his biggest test as a batsman. Because pitches in Australia are no longer as flat as they used to be.

If he ups his avg to 40 vs Aus, Increases his avg to 52-53 and gets 16K runs then he will easily be > Sachin as a test batter.

That is the undeniable truth. No semantically argument will remove that fact

 

[DeadlyVenom]

You know I have noticed this alot more recently. One individual was even claiming that he's mentally weak or can't perform against India... something to that effect. Which is such a load of nonsense considering he averages 58 against India and 45 in India.

I think certain Indians are insecure/jealous because he has a very good chance of overtaking Tendulkar, and is in the prime of his life. Also the best batsman in the world right now IMO.

The one place where he is yet to perform is Australia. And he needs to have a really good series there to be considered among the greats. Which means he will have to work on his historical struggles against bounce there. I think the upcoming Ashes will be his biggest test as a batsman. Because pitches in Australia are no longer as flat as they used to be.

Indians have a way of framing the argument in a way that suits him. When Root scores they claim it's soft runs, when he fails ( as every batsmen will at some point) they claim he can't handle pressure.

 

[Bhaijaan]

If this ugly, unattractive, defensive way is how Joe Root is gonna bat his way on ultra flat pitches to break Sachin’s record then he can have it but no one will regard him anywhere near Sachin that way.

I’m saying this for the first time now but it would be a travesty if such a batter were to have the record.

There have been at least 30 better test batters in the history of Cricket.

Sachin even at 40 years was a better looking batsman than this.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Indians have a way of framing the argument in a way that suits him. When Root scores they claim it's soft runs, when he fails ( as every batsmen will at some point) they claim he can't handle pressure.

He has 10 centuries against India. This is a ridiculous argument. Even if you don't think he's the greatest batsman in the world, you have to admit that he is one of the best. Otherwise you're just being intellectually dishonest.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

He has 10 centuries against India. This is a ridiculous argument. Even if you don't think he's the greatest batsman in the world, you have to admit that he is one of the best. Otherwise you're just being intellectually dishonest.

Another display of their shenanigans is that they consistently claim they are the best side of their era. Well Root has bashed them silly, but to get over this hurdle, they even devalue runs against their own country, claim Root scored them on Indian phattas and weak bowling, and instead say runs against Australia have more weight.

He is a class act and one of the best.

 

[Mamoon]

The Indian criticism of Joe Root is even funnier when you realize that he owns Indian bowlers.

 

[Mamoon]

On a serious note, Root is one of the greatest Test batsmen ever. Any opinion contrary to this is idiotic.

However, where he ranks within the realm of Test greats can certainly be debated, although I would strongly argue that he is nowhere near the bottom of the pile.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Another display of their shenanigans is that they consistently claim they are the best side of their era. Well Root has bashed them silly, but to get over this hurdle, they even devalue runs against their own country, claim Root scored them on Indian phattas and weak bowling, and instead say runs against Australia have more weight.

He is a class act and one of the best.

Scoring runs in India is the non-Asian equivalent of scoring runs in SENA. It's pretty much the gold standard for non-Asian batsmen, who not only have to contend with the turn and quality spin-bowling, but also have to contend with the weather and air quality, which is not something they are used to, and regularly struggle with. And Root has 1200+ runs there at an average of 45+

 

[mominsaigol]

Root now Avg 51.01 in test cricket. Hopefully he scores a 200 tme

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Joe Root becomes the first player to score 3000 Test runs against India.

 

[mominsaigol]

Joe Root becomes the first player to score 3000 Test runs against India.

Lol, another humiliation for India

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Joe Root becomes the first player to score 3000 Test runs against India.

I thought he couldn't get it done against India...

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Joe Root becomes the first player to score 3000 Test runs against India.

But sir he is Bumrah's bunny

 

[mominsaigol]

But sir he is Bumrah's bunny

People think getting dismissed by a bowler equals being a bunny.

Ofcourse Bumrah has dismissed him the most out of any indian bowlers. The others are useless at dismissing him thats why .

No wonder bumrah looks good. A true bunny was Saxhin against anderson and mcgrath. That's what you call being a bunny.

 

[Mamoon]

Shameless propaganda by Cricinfo or shall we call them BCCIinfo.

but but but Bumrah couldn’t get him out because he didn’t want to face him

 

[Mamoon]

Root averaged 100+ vs India in the 2021 series in swinging conditions. He is on course for another hundred in probably the most crucial Test of the series.

I’m sure he doesn’t mind being called Bumrah’s bunny.

 

[sweep_shot]

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Shameless propaganda by Cricinfo or shall we call them BCCIinfo.

but but but Bumrah couldn’t get him out because he didn’t want to face him

Cricinfo has become a disgrace.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Root averaged 100+ vs India in the 2021 series in swinging conditions. He is on course for another hundred in probably the most crucial Test of the series.

I’m sure he doesn’t mind being called Bumrah’s bunny.

The other ( and more accurate) way to read this is Bumrah gave Root an easy one so he could aim at Pope.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Catch 22 for India fans. Root only scores soft pressure free runs according to them, so it must mean India is a soft side unable to put pressure on him

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Record when Bumrah is playing.

 

[RidiculousMan]

Shameless propaganda by Cricinfo or shall we call them BCCIinfo.

but but but Bumrah couldn’t get him out because he didn’t want to face him

This is actually smart by Root. Best batters learn and adapt. He dodged one spell so he can give back in the rest of the Test match to Bumrah with an older ball.

 

[Rajdeep]

Root averaged 100+ vs India in the 2021 series in swinging conditions. He is on course for another hundred in probably the most crucial Test of the series.

I’m sure he doesn’t mind being called Bumrah’s bunny.

At the same token, don't think India will mind if they win this series irrespective of how many runs Root score.

 

[Mamoon]

At the same token, don't think India will mind if they win this series irrespective of how many runs Root score.

To win the series, you must drop Bumrah from the playing XI.

 

[James]

Everyone knows the real reason why some India fans have been so rattled about Root for years now. And it isn’t even about Root himself really. The thought of Tendulkar’s career runs record being potentially broken one day (by anyone) seems to instantly induce major head loss.

 

[Ab Fan]

Phenomenal player. I would argue he is at same level as Sir Ravindra Jadeja.

 

[Ab Fan]

But this is again a flat deck. England are scoring runs slowly. Will the Boycott-ball play help them win a test match? I am not sure.

 

[msb314]

If this ugly, unattractive, defensive way is how Joe Root is gonna bat his way on ultra flat pitches to break Sachin’s record then he can have it but no one will regard him anywhere near Sachin that way.

I’m saying this for the first time now but it would be a travesty if such a batter were to have the record.

There have been at least 30 better test batters in the history of Cricket.

Sachin even at 40 years was a better looking batsman than this.

He is batting at a SR of 52 but somehow it is “ugly and defensive”…

 

[mominsaigol]

At the same token, don't think India will mind if they win this series irrespective of how many runs Root score.

Earlier you said you and @Devadwal by extension don't care if India wins or loses. The most important thing is for India to protect Tenda's record.

Now you're saying it doesn't matter?

Look at how many arguments have been presented against root. Some of them make sense but some of them are just down right ridiculous.

A) Root has a 51 avg while Tenda has a 53 avg( Fair argument)

B) Root avg of 35 vs Aus will haunt him (Fair argument.

C) Root only scores soft runs (Hilarious when you guys put Bumrah > Marshall and Mcgrath and Root has owned India the most out of any player in all of history. Only person to score 3000 runs against your side and score 11 centuries against you including today which he will get)

D) Root is bad at runs chases (Fair argument)

E) Root is not charismatic. This argument by @pillionrider is next level ridiculous. Apprantly the likes of root aren't charismatic enough. Hilarious when the likes of Sachin have the personality of a mouthwash.

What does charisma have to do with being a good batsmen?

F) Root has a terrible conversion rate and away record.

^^ Another Myth, Root issue was that he started as a medicore test player. Post 2019 he has had the best conversion rate, best overall avg, more centuries then anyone and has dominated every conditon.

Unlike Tenda and Ponting who went from 61 avg all the way to 53 and 51 respectively, Root actually went from 45 to 51 and keeps on getting better that too at a 30+ age, Same age where ponting and Tenda were declining day by day.

Tenda is ahead, however root has pretty much caught up to Ponting now and is more or less equal to Ponting atm.

This is coming from someone who loves Ponting and puts Ponting as his favourite however if you look at their records he is = Ponting atm and will likely pull ahead.

One good ashes and he is = to sachin. A few good years and he is > Sachin and probably even Steve Smith which i hate to admit.

Their is no narrative argument that can change numbers and reality.

 

[Sachin fan]

Indian media has been nothing but praise for him

 

[Sachin fan]

If he doesn’t, he doesn’t and Indians can breathe easy and cancel pre-orders for anti-itch creams. However, I’m worried about how they will react if he does it, and I urge non-Indian stakeholders to ensure that their propaganda and influence doesn’t take the spotlight away from Joe Root.

From post one you yourself admit it's not something which happened but you are predicting will happen.

When in reality indian media has been nothing but praise for the likes of Smith, Williamson and Root.

I have never seen them being critical of any of the above.

 

[Sachin fan]

.

Unlike Tenda and Ponting who went from 61 avg all the way to 53 and 51 respectively, Root actually went from 45 to 51 and keeps on getting better that too at a 30+ age, Same age where ponting and Tenda were declining day by day.

Root is 35.

Sachin average after turning 35 per year for next 5 years was 55, 48, 68, 78 and 47. Where is the declining day by day?

At the age of 38 his average was 57. He only declined at 39

You keep talking about numbers but then peddle the worst lies.

But then the fact that you call all the other batsmen with respect but only insult asd nickname Sachin shows you are only in it for trolling.

 

[mominsaigol]

Root is 35.

Sachin average after turning 35 per year for next 5 years was 55, 48, 68, 78 and 47. Where is the declining day by day?

At the age of 38 his average was 57. He only declined at 39

You keep talking about numbers but then peddle the worst lies.

But then the fact that you call all the other batsmen with respect but only insult asd nickname Sachin shows you are only in it for trolling.

None of this matters.

Sachin avg 53 at the end of his career. Root avg 51. Sachin has a > 40 avg in every country while root is only missing Aus with an avg of 35.

If root catches up in Aus, gets his avg to 53-54 and surpasses Tenda's run tally it stands to reason that he is > Tenda officially.

Their is no weird semantical nonsense you can bring to counter attack itm

 

[mominsaigol]

The only valid argument for Tenda > Root is that Tenda has a better record vs Australia and as result, Root avg 35 in aus will haunt him.

He needs to raise it to 40. If he raises it to 40, he will also raise his avg to 53+ as he's at 51.01 atm.

Root has one of the best records of all time since his revival in test cricket.

55 avg, 20 centuries, > 50+ avg in every country excluding dustbowls. Despite this he still avg 45 and 47 in Pakistan and india.

Australia is the only country where he suffers and As a result Tenda is >.

The only issue is that pre 2019 root was a crappie player a 45-47 avg and hence wasnt good. Root throughout his entire career scored only 17 centuries but as soon as his revival came about in 2020, in 4 years he scored 19 centuries in record time.

Now he will score another today.

He has been just as good as Tenda these past few years

 

[Bhaijaan]

Joe Root’s legacy is safe as a Top 40 test batsman of all time

 

[AAli98]

Indians trying to find faults in roots batting when his pumped them for around 5k runs in all formats.

 

[mominsaigol]

Indians trying to find faults in roots batting when his pumped them for around 5k runs in all formats.

Root has pummeled india more then sachin could ever pummel England.

Infact Sachin was a bunny against england anytime Anderson played.

Anderson turned Sachin into a 20 avg tailender

 

[BouncerGuy]

Legendary number.

Joe Root breaks into the top five for the most Test centuries going past 36 each by Rahul Dravid & Steve Smith
Most Test hundreds
51 Sachin Tendulkar
45 Jacques Kallis
41 Ricky Ponting
38 Kumar Sangakkara
37 Joe Root

 

[mominsaigol]

@Bhaijaan @Hitman @pillionrider @Nikhil_cric @jeeteshssaxena I have officially prepared my list that you guys requested for top 25 best test batters of all time( So far, Era's equalised). I will be as Unbiased as possible.

1) Sir Donald Bradman
2) Jack Hobbs
3) Ken Barrington
4) Greg Chappel
5) Sachin Tendulkar
6) Len Hutton
7) Wally Hammond
8) Steve Smith
9) Sir Vivian Richards
10) Sir Garfield Sobers( As a batsmen, not allrounder, as an allrounder hes no 1 greatest obviously)
11) Sunny Gavaskar
12) Brian Lara
13) Ricky Ponting
14) Rahul Dravid
15) Younis Khan
16) Alan Border
17) Javed Miandad
18) Steve Waugh
19) Joe Root
20) Jack Kallis
21) Mattew Hayden
22) Virender Sehwag
23) Kumar Sangakkara
24) Ab de Villers
25) Chanderpaul

Its my brutal honest opinion without any bias that i usually have for Root and Smith. Apologies if its not up to your mark.

Honorable Mention should go to Adam Gilchrist who i have in my top 30 around 28-29

 

[Nikhil_cric]

@Bhaijaan @Hitman @pillionrider @Nikhil_cric @jeeteshssaxena I have officially prepared my list that you guys requested for top 25 best test batters of all time( So far, Era's equalised). I will be as Unbiased as possible.

1) Sir Donald Bradman
2) Jack Hobbs
3) Ken Barrington
4) Greg Chappel
5) Sachin Tendulkar
6) Len Hutton
7) Wally Hammond
8) Steve Smith
9) Sir Vivian Richards
10) Sir Garfield Sobers( As a batsmen, not allrounder, as an allrounder hes no 1 greatest obviously)
11) Sunny Gavaskar
12) Brian Lara
13) Ricky Ponting
14) Rahul Dravid
15) Younis Khan
16) Alan Border
17) Javed Miandad
18) Steve Waugh
19) Joe Root
20) Jack Kallis
21) Mattew Hayden
22) Virender Sehwag
23) Kumar Sangakkara
24) Ab de Villers
25) Chanderpaul

Its my brutal honest opinion without any bias that i usually have for Root and Smith. Apologies if its not up to your mark.

Honorable Mention should go to Adam Gilchrist who i have in my top 30 around 28-29

Good list. I dont agree with all the positions. Personally think Sanga and Kallis should be higher than YK and I'm always wary about rating players before the 70's like Hammond, Hutton, Hobbs and Barrington. But a good list, nonetheless

 

[mominsaigol]

Good list. I dont agree with all the positions. Personally think Sanga and Kallis should be higher than YK and I'm always wary about rating players before the 70's like Hammond, Hutton, Hobbs and Barrington. But a good list, nonetheless

YK is brutally underrated because of the UAE agenda against him that he dominated vs UAE only. YK was only poor in SA. Yes its true he never actually tackled prime Aus with mcgrath hence take the aussie record with a grain of salt but for a Pakistani batter to avg 50 in aus at all is a huge achievement given the fact that Pakistani's are bunnies their.

Pakistan would have won more series in aus if everyone batted like yk in the camp and weren't bunnies.

Not to mention YK's conversion rate is insane.

Sanga i feel is the opposite. People underrated him an odi batsmen but overrate him as a test batsmen. It should be the other way around as hes a terrific odi batsmen. However Sanga is the king of brutally bashing crap bowling.

In terms of butchering bad bowlers, he is the undisputed king, not even prime Steve smith could butcher crap bowling like sanga could, but Sanga just isnt good at facing decent to good bowling.

Kallis I agree though, I have put him way way too low and made a blunder.

 

[NishanKonar]

Good list. I dont agree with all the positions. Personally think Sanga and Kallis should be higher than YK and I'm always wary about rating players before the 70's like Hammond, Hutton, Hobbs and Barrington. But a good list, nonetheless

Dont think Chanderpaul / Saangakkara / YOunis makes it. They were statpadders

Joe Root does not deserve a place unless he scores a hundred in Australia

ALan Lamb deserves to be in this list. His record against West Indies of the 1980s was extraordinary. Also Alan Border should be higher up - terrific record against West Indies

Kevin Pietersen deserves a spot

 

[DeadlyVenom]

If Root scores more runs has more wickets and has taken more catches than Tendulkar then who the heck wouldn't rate him either as a player.

 

[NishanKonar]

If Root scores more runs has more wickets and has taken more catches than Tendulkar then who the heck wouldn't rate him either as a player.

Genuine cricket fans who understand cricket is more than just facts & figures

Else even Babar Azam wud be considered an ATG

 

[mominsaigol]

@Bhaijaan @Hitman @pillionrider @Nikhil_cric @jeeteshssaxena I have officially prepared my list that you guys requested for top 25 best test batters of all time( So far, Era's equalised). I will be as Unbiased as possible.

1) Sir Donald Bradman
2) Jack Hobbs
3) Ken Barrington
4) Greg Chappel
5) Sachin Tendulkar
6) Len Hutton
7) Wally Hammond
8) Steve Smith
9) Sir Vivian Richards
10) Sir Garfield Sobers( As a batsmen, not allrounder, as an allrounder hes no 1 greatest obviously)
11) Sunny Gavaskar
12) Brian Lara
13) Ricky Ponting
14) Rahul Dravid
15) Younis Khan
16) Alan Border
17) Javed Miandad
18) Steve Waugh
19) Joe Root
20) Jack Kallis
21) Mattew Hayden
22) Virender Sehwag
23) Kumar Sangakkara
24) Ab de Villers
25) Chanderpaul

Its my brutal honest opinion without any bias that i usually have for Root and Smith. Apologies if its not up to your mark.

Honorable Mention should go to Adam Gilchrist who i have in my top 30 around 28-29

@kron

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

If Root scores more runs has more wickets and has taken more catches than Tendulkar then who the heck wouldn't rate him either as a player.

By that logic Root is already ahead of Smith? Is he though?

 

[mominsaigol]

By that logic Root is already ahead of Smith? Is he though?

I ranked Tenda 5th, Smith 8th on my list with root ranking 19th so far. I hope it's settled where I rank them.

I have had to swallow my pride to be Unbiased today. I hope it is settled .

However like I said, 508 runs in Ashes + 222 Runs vs Bangladesh would edge Root > Sachin.

But its difficult. 508 runs vs Aus will be brutally difficult to achieve and 222 runs bamgladesh will depend upon the pitches Bangladesh curate.

As of now, Root is ranked no 19 on my list.

 

[pillionrider]

@Bhaijaan @Hitman @pillionrider @Nikhil_cric @jeeteshssaxena I have officially prepared my list that you guys requested for top 25 best test batters of all time( So far, Era's equalised). I will be as Unbiased as possible.

1) Sir Donald Bradman
2) Jack Hobbs
3) Ken Barrington
4) Greg Chappel
5) Sachin Tendulkar
6) Len Hutton
7) Wally Hammond
8) Steve Smith
9) Sir Vivian Richards
10) Sir Garfield Sobers( As a batsmen, not allrounder, as an allrounder hes no 1 greatest obviously)
11) Sunny Gavaskar
12) Brian Lara
13) Ricky Ponting
14) Rahul Dravid
15) Younis Khan
16) Alan Border
17) Javed Miandad
18) Steve Waugh
19) Joe Root
20) Jack Kallis
21) Mattew Hayden
22) Virender Sehwag
23) Kumar Sangakkara
24) Ab de Villers
25) Chanderpaul

Its my brutal honest opinion without any bias that i usually have for Root and Smith. Apologies if its not up to your mark.

Honorable Mention should go to Adam Gilchrist who i have in my top 30 around 28-29

Familiar with the names of some of those older English gentlemen, but think maybe couple of them can make way for Martin Crowe (sub-50 but widely esteemed and one of Sachin's batting heroes) and Andy Flower who towered over his Zim team. Nice list though especially including Chanderpaul who is quite underrated.

 

[pillionrider]

If Root scores more runs has more wickets and has taken more catches than Tendulkar then who the heck wouldn't rate him either as a player.

Unbiased non-Pakistanis.

 

[kron]

@kron

I would have root just below Lara tbh

Sachin below smith

Smith probably 1 or 2

 

[Devadwal]

Temu Sachin is softy player to score 13k test runs. Statpadder

 

[mominsaigol]

Temu Sachin is softy player to score 13k test runs. Statpadder

Avg 40+ in every country except Aus and owning india more then any other player in history = Stat padding?

And orcourse bozo wont reply to this message. He'll only reply to my 800 tonks .

 

[Sachin fan]

I would have root just below Lara tbh

Sachin below smith

Smith probably 1 or 2

Never ever judge a player ar their peak in their career and before they have their last bad couple of years. Because I remember people doing same for ponting, etc during their peak and all of them in the end ended up below Sachin during retirement

 

[Sachin fan]

Daily reminder that what OP claimed never happened. Indian media has been nothing but praise for Root. So this entire 10 page thread is based on something which never happened.

 

[Ted123]

He is by far England’s best batter in last 50 years.

 

[Ab Fan]

@Bhaijaan @Hitman @pillionrider @Nikhil_cric @jeeteshssaxena I have officially prepared my list that you guys requested for top 25 best test batters of all time( So far, Era's equalised). I will be as Unbiased as possible.

1) Sir Donald Bradman
2) Jack Hobbs
3) Ken Barrington
4) Greg Chappel
5) Sachin Tendulkar
6) Len Hutton
7) Wally Hammond
8) Steve Smith
9) Sir Vivian Richards
10) Sir Garfield Sobers( As a batsmen, not allrounder, as an allrounder hes no 1 greatest obviously)
11) Sunny Gavaskar
12) Brian Lara
13) Ricky Ponting
14) Rahul Dravid
15) Younis Khan
16) Alan Border
17) Javed Miandad
18) Steve Waugh
19) Joe Root
20) Jack Kallis
21) Mattew Hayden
22) Virender Sehwag
23) Kumar Sangakkara
24) Ab de Villers
25) Chanderpaul

Its my brutal honest opinion without any bias that i usually have for Root and Smith. Apologies if its not up to your mark.

Honorable Mention should go to Adam Gilchrist who i have in my top 30 around 28-29

Good list. Happy to see ABD in top 25.

Just a few notes:
Sangakkara, Miandad, Root and Kallis should be above Younis in my opinion, possibly with Dravid, Border and S Waugh.

Barrington isn’t rated that high as well by those who have followed history of cricket well despite having great away record.

 

[Hitman]

Daily reminder that what OP claimed never happened. Indian media has been nothing but praise for Root. So this entire 10 page thread is based on something which never happened.

It's based on insecurity by someone who is neither an English nor an Indian.

 

[Ab Fan]

Next test, Root should go past Dravid, Kallis and probably Ponting as well by the end of the series. I will be happy for him.

 

[mominsaigol]

Good list. Happy to see ABD in top 25.

Just a few notes:
Sangakkara, Miandad, Root and Kallis should be above Younis in my opinion, possibly with Dravid, Border and S Waugh.

Barrington isn’t rated that high as well by those who have followed history of cricket well despite having great away record.

Thanks, will take note . You are right a our Kallis, Root amd Sanga > YK, I rated them too low. Or I rated YK too high

Disagree with Miandad > Yk though.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

As a result, in the coming years, I can foresee a collective media (social & mainstream) campaign to discredit Joe Root and sell the narrative that he might overtake Sachin Tendulkar in terms of runs, he will never compare him to him in terms of quality of batting.

Daily reminder that what OP claimed never happened. Indian media has been nothing but praise for Root. So this entire 10 page thread is based on something which never happened.

Did you even read the OP? I know you registered in Feb 2025 and the thread was started in Oct 2024, but did you happen to read it with your old account? You still can. He is asking a valid question and clearly mentioned he foresaw a coordinated media (both social and mainstream) campaign to discredit Joe Root and posts in this thread have already proven him right, at least on the social media front.

As a true cricket and Sachin fan, I would genuinely appreciate it if Root surpasses Sachin. It's no easy feat. Many expected this from Kohli, but he ultimately turned out to be an average Test batsman.

 

[sweep_shot]

There is a new user named @Joe Root. He signed up yesterday.

I noticed it because I saw his nickname at "members online" section.

 

[mominsaigol]

There is a new user named @Joe Root. He signed up yesterday.

I noticed it because I saw his nickname at "members online" section.

Probably another troll account like @RizwanT20Champ

 

[sweep_shot]

Probably another troll account like @RizwanT20Champ

LOL. Possible.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Probably another troll account like @RizwanT20Champ

Saigol I am not even active here anymore, I only come here to learn from your great cricket knowledge like Sachin's SF innings vs us in 2003 WC (I was not aware he played us in the SF until you pointed it out), Brad Hoge being a wicket keeper etc.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Saigol I am not even active here anymore, I only come here to learn from your great cricket knowledge like Sachin's SF innings vs us in 2003 WC (I was not aware he played us in the SF until you pointed it out), Brad Hoge being a wicket keeper etc.

I thing you are underestimating him- What about Sachin curbing cover drive cos he is better at backfoot strokes? That was a real gem.

 

[mominsaigol]

Saigol I am not even active here anymore, I only come here to learn from your great cricket knowledge like Sachin's SF innings vs us in 2003 WC (I was not aware he played us in the SF until you pointed it out), Brad Hoge being a wicket keeper etc.

Saigol I am not even active here anymore

Best news i have heard all day

 

[mominsaigol]

Joe root is all set to surpass Sachin's record of most wins at Old Trafford.

Ricky Ponting - 108

Shane Warne - 92

Steve Waugh - 86

Glenn McGrath - 84

James Anderson - 83

Jacques Kallies - 82

Nathan Lyon - 79

Stuart Broad - 76

Mark Boucher - 74

Adam Gilchrist - 73

Joe Root - 72

Sachin Tendulkar - 72

 

[Romali_rotti]

Lara for me is the greatest test player since Bradman

@Bhaijaan @Hitman @pillionrider @Nikhil_cric @jeeteshssaxena I have officially prepared my list that you guys requested for top 25 best test batters of all time( So far, Era's equalised). I will be as Unbiased as possible.

1) Sir Donald Bradman
2) Jack Hobbs
3) Ken Barrington
4) Greg Chappel
5) Sachin Tendulkar
6) Len Hutton
7) Wally Hammond
8) Steve Smith
9) Sir Vivian Richards
10) Sir Garfield Sobers( As a batsmen, not allrounder, as an allrounder hes no 1 greatest obviously)
11) Sunny Gavaskar
12) Brian Lara
13) Ricky Ponting
14) Rahul Dravid
15) Younis Khan
16) Alan Border
17) Javed Miandad
18) Steve Waugh
19) Joe Root
20) Jack Kallis
21) Mattew Hayden
22) Virender Sehwag
23) Kumar Sangakkara
24) Ab de Villers
25) Chanderpaul

Its my brutal honest opinion without any bias that i usually have for Root and Smith. Apologies if its not up to your mark.

Honorable Mention should go to Adam Gilchrist who i have in my top 30 around 28-29

Make up your mind...

 

[mominsaigol]

Make up your mind ...

This list is based of statistics and country performance. If you knew how to read the first comment says

For me

2nd comment reads

I will be as Unbiased as possible.

 

[Romali_rotti]

This list is based of statistics and country performance. If you knew how to read the first comment says

For me

2nd comment reads

I will be as Unbiased as possible.

Oh and Jamie Smith >>>> AG...

....

 

[Hitman]

Sachin Tendulkar reached 14,000 Test runs in 279 innings.

Joe Root is still at 13,259 Test runs in 285 innings.


Is the above an Indian propaganda as well?​

 

[Romali_rotti]

Sachin Tendulkar reached 14,000 Test runs in 279 innings.

Joe Root is still at 13,259 Test runs in 285 innings.


Is the above an Indian propaganda as well?​

Gotta give Root his credit though, when the batting conditions are immaculate and there is absolutely zero pressure I don't think there is a better bat than Joe Root...

 

[BouncerGuy]

GUYS, EITHER YOU STAY ON TOPIC OR BETTER TO LEAVE THE THREAD CLEAN...THANKS

 

[Mamoon]

Sachin Tendulkar reached 14,000 Test runs in 279 innings.

Joe Root is still at 13,259 Test runs in 285 innings.


Is the above an Indian propaganda as well?​

It is not a race, it is a marathon. A lot of batsmen have reached X runs quicker than Tendulkar did, it doesn’t mean all of them are better than Tendulkar.

There are also other factors too, such has Tendulkar playing his majority of his home Tests on flat wickets while English conditions especially before Bazball era were not easy to bat in.

 

[Mamoon]

Gotta give Root his credit though, when the batting conditions are immaculate and there is absolutely zero pressure I don't think there is a better bat than Joe Root...

Seems like another strong similarity with Sachin, who could never score 500 runs in a Test series to save his life.