[PICTURES/VIDEOS] Saim Ayub - the real deal or a flash in the pan?

[Cricket Warrior]

Saim Ayub created a new record during 1st ODI against South Africa at Boland Park

The 22-year-old scored 109 runs off 119 balls, becoming the youngest player to score an ODI century against South Africa while chasing.

He achieved this at 22 years, breaking the previous record set by Brian Lara in 1993, who was 23 years and 297 days old at the time.

He is a Saeed Anwar of new era... many more centuries to come.

 

[mominsaigol]

He is a Saeed Anwar of new era... many more centuries to come.

He can be. Saeed Anwar is Pakistan’s greatest opener but he ain't unsurpassable. Saim has already done better then saeed overseas.

But saeed was a proper Asian bully and would punish even quality all star attacks on Asian soil.

Saim so far has failed in asia. Failing in tests on roads being a major road block.

However very early days for him atm.

 

[Farabi]

Couple of things about Saim Ayub that I really like.
He is one of the best batters of 140 kph plus bowling i have seen from Pak. Saw him come down the wicket and hit Ihsanullah in Psl and knew he had incredible reflexes and time to play pace. Plays the short ball really well, a very important skill. Haider ali for example gets rushed and cramped when facing quick hard lengths
Another good thing about him is that he is a pretty decent player of spin. So can build on starts. Thats a weakness in Muhammad Haris’s game who is another good player of genuine pace.

Saim will continuously need to improve his game against swing, the good thing is he seems to have a good head on his shoulders. Pakistan need to find other natural strokeplayers who are good against quick hard lengths.

Yup! Although, this shouldn’t stop Pakistan from throwing Haris into the PP and give him the license to maximize it.

 

[BouncerGuy]

The day since he let go of the habit of playing no look shot every other delivery, he has improved. he does play that shot but only when he is in total control of his inning. Good to see him making runs on consistent basis in every format.

In tests, he still has a long way to go but he is moving in the right direction

 

[Raja Ishtiaq]

Dont want to come across as too harsh but more was required from you today Saim.

After being backed and mentored by Babar and Rizwan, you are finally repaying their faith in you.

When you have hit form with the bat then you must deliver consistent performances. This is what Rizwan and Babar have done in the past and this is what you must learn.

Otherwise, you will not be able to permanently cement your place in the team.

 

[khyberlion]

I supported him and believed he deserved a chance based on his domestic perfomance. he’s had a more-than-fair opportunity, but he hasn’t delivered.

Unlike you, I’m not into hero worship, nor do I have an ego that drives me to prove I know more about cricket than anyone else and then get upset if my ego is hurt, or predict a player’s failure with absolute certainty before they even play a single game or given a fair opportunity.

More domestic players should be given opportunities to strengthen the bench and prepare for the future by filling roles that will be left by retiring players.

Asif Ali should be tried as an opener, and Sahibzada should be given a chance in the lineup as an opener


It’s time we look for someone else saim has failed us

@emranabbas Here you go read this post. Don't run away again.

 

[emranabbas]

@emranabbas Here you go read this post. Don't run away again.

point out where I said farhan should be replaced by saim

More domestic players should be given opportunities to strengthen the bench and prepare for the future by filling roles that will be left by retiring players.

Asif Ali should be tried as an opener, and Sahibzada should be given a chance in the lineup as an opener


show me where it says replaced? i said should be given a chance its a big difference

 

[emranabbas]

They will not

Given chance and trying is different to replacement

Replacement would mean farhan is ready to take over saim.

Chance means give farhan a go see how he does if he's any good then he can be replace

 

[khyberlion]

They will not

Given chance and trying is different to replacement

Replacement would mean farhan is ready to take over saim.

Chance means give farhan a go see how he does if he's any good then he can be replace

There is a diffrence

By putting emojis it won't change anything.

In all scenarios they will be playing ahead of Saim yes or no?

 

[MenInG]

Hello @emranabbas

When you have no argument left but to call other people stupid then it's best not to post here.

Post with respect.

 

[MenInG]

Thread is about Saim.

 

[MenInG]

Post with respect for others or you will not find your posts on this forum.

 

[mominsaigol]

Saim failed 25 t20 games in a row and I remember comments that straight up said

Saim ayub no look, no talent, no performance

any player who fails 25 games in a row deserves a drop.

hes performing now and he deserves to stay. However farhan replacing him for one series isn't a hare brained decison when saim failed non stop.

However farhan failed and saim came back and grabbed his opportunity and has now ensured farhan will never represent international cricket again.

That's how it should be. It's up to the players to perform and keep other's out.

Even babar deserved an axe in tests for his non performance.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Let's just stay on topic now and start fresh. TALK ABOUT SAIM ONLY.

DONT MAKE IT ANOTHER RIZBABAR THREAD

 

[FearlessRoar]

Brings up his 4th score of 50+ in just 9 innings, this one off 54 balls in 3rd ODI against South Africa

 

[Champ_Pal]

I always believed he is a special talent the first time I saw him. Just needs to put on some muscle. Looks small and fragile. Helps with his fitness too.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Brings up his 4th score of 50+ in just 9 innings, this one off 54 balls in 3rd ODI against South Africa

No shots from Saim on mid-on and mid-off during the first two ODIs, but in the 3rd ODI, he has used mid-on and mid-off sensibly and deserves a century here

 

[FearlessRoar]

That's a superb knock from Saim Ayub, a century off only 91 balls in the 3rd ODI against South Africa.

Quickest Pakistani to 3 ODI Centuries:

Imam-ul-Haq: 8 inns
Saim Ayub: 9
Fakhar Zaman: 17
Babar Azam: 18
Nasir Jamshed: 21

 

[kingusama92]

The talent was always there.

There was a point when it felt best to drop him with the string of low scores but the management team deserves respect for sticking to it.

Now that he's got runs under his belt, he's going in the right direction and can let his talent shine. After so many terrible openers, Pakistan has a modern batsman at the top of the order.

 

[FearlessRoar]

That's a superb knock from Saim Ayub, a century off only 91 balls in the 3rd ODI against South Africa.

Quickest Pakistani to 3 ODI Centuries:

Imam-ul-Haq: 8 inns
Saim Ayub: 9
Fakhar Zaman: 17
Babar Azam: 18
Nasir Jamshed: 21

https://twitter.com/x/status/1870861498274247012

 

[Bewal Express]

Saim has kicked on and has the potential to go much further. He isn't trying to build a brand, the statistics are building the brand for him.

 

[rpant_gabba]

I sure hope this kids stays away for team politics.

This is great find for Pak team.

 

[LegendAli]

WOW! yet another Daddy hundred, unreal stuff.

 

[FearlessRoar]

That's a superb knock from Saim Ayub, a century off only 91 balls in the 3rd ODI against South Africa.

Quickest Pakistani to 3 ODI Centuries:

Imam-ul-Haq: 8 inns
Saim Ayub: 9
Fakhar Zaman: 17
Babar Azam: 18
Nasir Jamshed: 21

An absolute masterclass from Saim Ayub!

How would you rate this knock from the young opener in 3rd ODI against South Africa?

 

[mominsaigol]

An absolute masterclass from Saim Ayub!

How would you rate this knock from the young opener in 3rd ODI against South Africa?

His 109 knock against sa was better. But this knock was good as well.

 

[Rana]

He scored 2(7) by going all out. Wonder what will he do if he plays conservatively

He will become your best batsman. No matter how much you pray he doesn’t.

 

[mesmerizer85]

Honestly , i gave up on him when he got out to starc in first ODI. But what a turnaround to prove his critics wrong. Good going chap...All the best for serving Pakistan in years to come

 

[Rana]

The issue with Saim Is that he hasn't played enough first class cricket... probably have issues with his IQ.
Let's just say it's a combination of both.

Who’s got issues with IQ?

 

[Ahmed216]

He will become your best batsman. No matter how much you pray he doesn’t.

Go to sleep yaar last 3 days have been difficult for you

 

[Rana]

Talented but raw. Still not aware of his strengths and weaknesses as batsman due to little FC exposure. Him , Haider, Haris all need to play more domestic cricket. Learn from someone like Rizwan

What can he learn from Rizwan?

 

[khyberlion]

Go to sleep yaar last 3 days have been difficult for you

He's the same guy who wanted sharjeel ahead of Saim lol.

 

[Sycamore]

"I'm just proud of the team" when asked about his performances this tour.

This is what sets him apart from every other Pakistani player for me. Very level headed and humble.

 

[mominsaigol]

What can he learn from Rizwan?

Ouch ouch, ahhhh ahhh, cramp cramp.

 

[Ahmed216]

What can he learn from Rizwan?

That FC grind is important.

Saim is a different player since he played those 5 home tests plus Kaptaana effect is undeniable.

But all this is difficult to understand for a garbage poster like you who's only interested in picking fights with others like a frustrated aunty

 

[SaadAliG]

That FC grind is important.

Saim is a different player since he played those 5 home tests plus Kaptaana effect is undeniable.

But all this is difficult to understand for a garbage poster like you who's only interested in picking fights with others like a frustrated aunty

Was Rizwan with him in the CPL as well?

 

[Rana]

That FC grind is important.

Saim is a different player since he played those 5 home tests plus Kaptaana effect is undeniable.

But all this is difficult to understand for a garbage poster like you who's only interested in picking fights with others like a frustrated aunty

I don’t like picking fights

I like to ensure reality prevails

Reality is, Rizwan and Babar fans have wanted Saim to fail. And now that he has become head and shoulders the most important Pakistan batsman, they want to claim credit for his development.

 

[mominsaigol]

I don’t like picking fights

I like to ensure reality prevails

Reality is, Rizwan and Babar fans have wanted Saim to fail. And now that he has become head and shoulders the most important Pakistan batsman, they want to claim credit for his development.

The funny thing is Imahine if you said this about Travis head. Pat Cummins would come and slap you in the face and no aussie fan would ever make such a claim.

Travis Head wasn't anything special under Finch's captaincy. His greatest feat at the time was butchering pakistan but he failed against every other team.

You didn't need a sole pakistani butcher as Warner was already present.

It was under Cummins captaincy that Travis became the best all format batter in the world but pat Cummins himself would deny any credit and so would aussie fans.

Only pakistani fans can outright claim rizwan is responsible for saim ayub development. He literally booted him down to no 3 so he could open with his buddy like 2 weeks ago against sa in t20?

What sort of mentoring is this?

 

[Rana]

The funny thing is Imahine if you said this about Travis head. Pat Cummins would come and slap you in the face and no aussie fan would ever make such a claim.

Travis Head wasn't anything special under Finch's captaincy. His greatest feat at the time was butchering pakistan but he failed against every other team.

You didn't need a sole pakistani butcher as Warner was already present.

It was under Cummins captaincy that Travis became the best all format batter in the world but pat Cummins himself would deny any credit and so would aussie fans.

Only pakistani fans can outright claim rizwan is responsible for saim ayub development. He literally booted him down to no 3 so he could open with his buddy like 2 weeks ago against sa in t20?

What sort of mentoring is this?

They mentored him to play better than they could ever dream of?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

The funny thing is Imahine if you said this about Travis head. Pat Cummins would come and slap you in the face and no aussie fan would ever make such a claim.

Travis Head wasn't anything special under Finch's captaincy. His greatest feat at the time was butchering pakistan but he failed against every other team.

You didn't need a sole pakistani butcher as Warner was already present.

It was under Cummins captaincy that Travis became the best all format batter in the world but pat Cummins himself would deny any credit and so would aussie fans.

Only pakistani fans can outright claim rizwan is responsible for saim ayub development. He literally booted him down to no 3 so he could open with his buddy like 2 weeks ago against sa in t20?

What sort of mentoring is this?

Didn't you call Saim Ayub a modern day Asad Shafiq?

 

[mominsaigol]

Didn't you call Saim Ayub a modern day Asad Shafiq?

I think you're confusing me for Amjid javed. He called him an imran farhat level batter.

 

[Rana]

I love this thread

I love going back and finding posts of people who showed their hand. They are the same people who will argue Rizwan is better than Head, DeQock and Butler. It is important to always quote them again and again so that the reality of these people is continuously exposed.

Otherwise, people like Ramiz Raja now will try to lap the credit of how much he loved and rated Saim.

 

[mominsaigol]

They mentored him to play better than they could ever dream of?

They gave birth to him and ensured that the kid wouldn't inherit Lanat genes

 

[Rana]

Babar can’t hit a six

Rizwan can’t hit on the off

But they mentored Rizwan apparently

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Saim Ayub just doesn't have it in him.

People are trying too hard to have him be fakhar zaman's successor but their isn't a single pakistani batter since saeed Anwar who surpasses fakhar zamam when he's onsong.

All that I see happening is that saim ayub becomes a modern era asad shafiq where he keeps throwing his wicket away and ends up with poor odi stats or at best he becomes a decent 40Avg batter but he is never getting those 180 scores in international cricket.

Ik people don't wish to admit this because the trend is to have bang bang cricketers, but honestly Abdullah shafiq and saud shakeel are better prospects.

Both Abdullah and saud have shown a willingness to improve their sr and both unlike saim have achieved minor success in international with both hitting a test double hundred and in the case of abd a wc century and saud himself has 4 half centuries in odi,

While saim is struggling to hit a half century in any format even if he's up againat Ireland on school boy 60M boundary pitches.

Everyone is overreacting to saim, Saud and rizzu's innings on this phatta track.

I don't rate their innings. And I don't rate saim or Rizwan.

I rate saud but not because of his innings, Because his free flow style and his innovative ability to disrupt bowlers line and lengths makes him a good asset.

Both saim and Rizwan are extremly one note.

I meant these posts. What made you change your mind?

 

[Rana]

They gave birth to him and ensured that the kid wouldn't inherit Lanat genes

They were successful in transferring them into Abdullah Technique

 

[DeadlyVenom]

The talent was always there.

There was a point when it felt best to drop him with the string of low scores but the management team deserves respect for sticking to it.

Now that he's got runs under his belt, he's going in the right direction and can let his talent shine. After so many terrible openers, Pakistan has a modern batsman at the top of the order.

One of the few things our management have got right in recent times.

The knives were out for this kid after a few hit and giggle T20 knocks.

 

[mominsaigol]

I meant these posts. What made you change your mind?

Oh that. Yeah I already pinged the people who backed saim today.

Saim was flopping like a fish left and right and hence I made said comment. I changed my mind once he started performing well.

Difficult to back someone who kept failing so much. Regardless I already pinged atleast 10 people today who backed saim from the start.

Also side note: I don't really remember when I made that comment. Probs during eng or Bangladesh series

 

[DeadlyVenom]

They were successful in transferring them into Abdullah Technique

Abdullahs regression is a big shame I had hopes for him and Saim becoming our Main batters for a long time

 

[mominsaigol]

They were successful in transferring them into Abdullah Technique

As @DeadlyVenom pointed out, we don't know what can happen in the future.

I can only comment on the present. Abdullah is rubbish atm and atrocious but he might achieve success later on.

But rn, he's rubbish and deserves a boot.

 

[Rana]

Abdullahs regression is a big shame I had hopes for him and Saim becoming our Main batters for a long time

He chose the cowards way. He deserves all his failures. What’s a potentially good Abdullah innings? What damage will he do to the opposition even if he has a good day according to his standards?

 

[Bewal Express]

Didn't you call Saim Ayub a modern day Asad Shafiq?

These losers pretending that they knew all along.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Saim moving forward on a right pace.. he could be the one who can match the class of babar azam

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[Bewal Express]

As @DeadlyVenom pointed out, we don't know what can happen in the future.

I can only comment on the present. Abdullah is rubbish atm and atrocious but he might achieve success later on.

But rn, he's rubbish and deserves a boot.

We can see talent and i pointed out that out to you. Only you couldn't see the talent that was even obvious to Stevie Wonder

 

[DeadlyVenom]

These losers pretending that they knew all along.

It's hard to judge players on t20 only and it's even harder to judge young players in a losing team.

We need to give players a long chance in that format in particular before writing them off.

I am glad that despite the chaos in our selection that our team stuck by Saim and showed some conviction and consistency for once.

 

[mominsaigol]

We can see talent and i pointed out that out to you. Only you couldn't see the talent that was even obvious to Stevie Wonder

We can see talent

Jee jee bilkul, I bet you saw some insane otherworldly talent to have the audacity to claim rizwan is a better keeper then Mark boucher and Qdk.

 

[khyberlion]

These losers pretending that they knew all along.

They know nothing about cricket in all honesty.

 

[mominsaigol]

These losers pretending that they knew all along.

I even said today that I am not including myself in that list. I pinged 10 people who backed saim from the start.

And unfortunately a rubbish poster such as yourself wasn't one of them lol.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

He chose the cowards way. He deserves all his failures. What’s a potentially good Abdullah innings? What damage will he do to the opposition even if he has a good day according to his standards?

In ODI he can play like Saim did today. A hundred at just over a 100.

In T20 he will be like Babar but with the ability to bat at a higher SR and go big.

In tests 45+ average.

That's his peak career and could be a solid one for our standards but he is just mentally shot.

 

[mominsaigol]

They know nothing about cricket in all honesty.

Sorry sir, didn't know I'm arguing with a harvard graduate. Khyberlion bsc bachelor of Cricket analysis .

 

[mominsaigol]

I'm
It's hard to judge players on t20 only and it's even harder to judge young players in a losing team.

We need to give players a long chance in that format in particular before writing them off.

I am glad that despite the chaos in our selection that our team stuck by Saim and showed some conviction and consistency for once.

One of the smartest decisons pcb has made is backing saim 100%.

 

[Rana]

In ODI he can play like Saim did today. A hundred at just over a 100.

In T20 he will be like Babar but with the ability to bat at a higher SR and go big.

In tests 45+ average.

That's his peak career and could be a solid one for our standards but he is just mentally shot.

Saim is the kind of player who is willing to die first in order to become immortal

Abdullah exposed his cowardice against Zimbabwe when Saim was belting them all around the park. What was he trying to do?

 

[mominsaigol]

He chose the cowards way. He deserves all his failures. What’s a potentially good Abdullah innings? What damage will he do to the opposition even if he has a good day according to his standards?

50 of 80 balls most likely. That's his current ceiling in odi and even then that's pushing it.

Most likely he'll go for another duck

 

[rpant_gabba]

Babar can’t hit a six

Rizwan can’t hit on the off

But they mentored Rizwan apparently

Those who can't do end up teaching

 

[Farabi]

He chose the cowards way. He deserves all his failures. What’s a potentially good Abdullah innings? What damage will he do to the opposition even if he has a good day according to his standards?

Saim Ayub had prolific seasons in List A and memorable PSL seasons. What he’s doing at the international level happened first at the domestic level.
Abdullah S, on the other hand, never had prolific and fluent List A and PSL seasons like Saim Ayub. He was a big punt by eye test merchants for the white ball format.
This punting culture is damaging Pakistan cricket.

 

[Farabi]

Saim is the kind of player who is willing to die first in order to become immortal

Abdullah exposed his cowardice against Zimbabwe when Saim was belting them all around the park. What was he trying to do?

That’s where he lost me too. He played some really selfish and pathetic innings.

 

[Rana]

One of the smartest decisons pcb has made is backing saim 100%.

They didn’t back him.

They backed Babar, and Babar exposed his inner bias by shifting him around to accommodate himself and Rizwan. They kept him out of the USA and India game, and paid heavily with Pakistan out.

They then were confused about which format to play him in. He tore the house down in ODI with T20 like performances, whilst Rizwan lead those clowns against Australia in T20s including himself as a leader.

He forced his way back into the T20 sides because even as an ODI batter, he was better than all Pakistani batters in T20 lol. Then Rizwan played the ultimate death move to the RizBar regime when he opened with Babar and lost the first T20i against SA, whilst Saim played the only T20 innings for Pakistan in that match.

Saim was forced into opening through all of Pakistan being outraged, and he played an innings that has ENDED RizBar opening in T20s forever!

 

[mominsaigol]

They didn’t back him.

They backed Babar, and Babar exposed his inner bias by shifting him around to accommodate himself and Rizwan. They kept him out of the USA and India game, and paid heavily with Pakistan out.

They then were confused about which format to play him in. He tore the house down in ODI with T20 like performances, whilst Rizwan lead those clowns against Australia in T20s including himself as a leader.

He forced his way back into the T20 sides because even as an ODI batter, he was better than all Pakistani batters in T20 lol. Then Rizwan played the ultimate death move to the RizBar regime when he opened with Babar and lost the first T20i against SA, whilst Saim played the only T20 innings for Pakistan in that match.

Saim was forced into opening through all of Pakistan being outraged, and he played an innings that has ENDED RizBar opening in T20s forever!

Babar and rizwan should be jailed if that's actually what they did.

 

[Rana]

A lot of these RizBar fans lie about Saim’s performances in the first 25 games being a flop.

Saim in his first T20i against NZ played an innings showing how he is willing to take the risks needed to take Pakistan forward. He was shaping up nicely until Rizwan laanti ran him out.

Previously, he played a good knock of 40 odd against Afghanistan to help them win the game.

He played plenty of knocks in the 40s but just couldn’t cross 50. The damned 50 mark is considered some kind of measuring stone of greatness for these RizBar fans with their outdated cricketing views. If some bloke like Yasir Khan comes and scores a 38 ball 50 as an opener, that counts as a success according to them.

 

[Buffet]

Another good knock by Saim. That's how you play shorter formats. Score quick and score big.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

We can see talent and i pointed out that out to you. Only you couldn't see the talent that was even obvious to Stevie Wonder

Said poster has a habit of making random claims and changing his opinion like the wind. He said Zimbabwe would beat Pak 3-0, that SA would whitewash Pak, claimed that recent and current were synonyms(!!!!) ..to mention but a few gems. Here is a post about Saim from mid-late September this year: The fact that he/she has no recollection of these posts should tell you that their views are not even "real" views. Anybody with a decent grasp of cricket could see Saim had talent.

This lovey dovey nonsense for saim shpuld end now.

This whole talent talent nonsense mantra is over for him. Even the most die hard fans of Babar, Saim, Shaheen cannot support such nonsense anymore.

These 3 have been jokes this tournament.

 

[mominsaigol]

A lot of these RizBar fans lie about Saim’s performances in the first 25 games being a flop.

Saim in his first T20i against NZ played an innings showing how he is willing to take the risks needed to take Pakistan forward. He was shaping up nicely until Rizwan laanti ran him out.

Previously, he played a good knock of 40 odd against Afghanistan to help them win the game.

He played plenty of knocks in the 40s but just couldn’t cross 50. The damned 50 mark is considered some kind of measuring stone of greatness for these RizBar fans with their outdated cricketing views. If some bloke like Yasir Khan comes and scores a 38 ball 50 as an opener, that counts as a success according to them.

A lot of these RizBar fans lie about Saim’s performances in the first 25 games being a flop.

I rated him low due to Fakhar bias at the time. My issue is that today i literally pinged everyone i possibly could who backed saim from the beginning to give all those who backed him recognition. I even excluded myself from the list. idkw people are acting and attacking me for it . I already gave everyone recognition. Lots of ba/riz fans on the other hand have jumped on the hospital birth narrative.

 

[Buffet]

And some posters were saying that Paksitan can't find batsmen who could score quick and big any time. Fakhar was doing it but for some reason he was asked to not open in limited overs.

You got to put score quick and score big batsmen playing the most number of balls. No point in them coming later.

 

[mominsaigol]

Said poster has a habit of making random claims and changing his opinion like the wind. He said Zimbabwe would beat Pak 3-0, that SA would whitewash Pak, claimed that recent and current were synonyms(!!!!) ..to mention but a few gems. Here is a post about Saim from mid-late September this year: The fact that he/she has no recollection of these posts should tell you that their views are not even "real" views. Anybody with a decent grasp of cricket could see Saim had talent.

Thays completly false. The people who you support aka Mamoon was the first person to claim

Saim no look, no performance and no talent.

Afterwards once saim started performing you peddled a narrative on how he gave birth and mentored saim and what not.

My comments on saim were based of his performance at that time.

Unlike you I am in no mood to hype people. I see performance and I back them plain and simple. I don't see performance then they can buzz off.

^^ This is how it should be to avoid rizwan fans boys justifying his hand nonstop.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Saim is flying at the moment... why not try imam along side saim ayub in the ODIs?

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[Farabi]

They didn’t back him.

They backed Babar, and Babar exposed his inner bias by shifting him around to accommodate himself and Rizwan. They kept him out of the USA and India game, and paid heavily with Pakistan out.

They then were confused about which format to play him in. He tore the house down in ODI with T20 like performances, whilst Rizwan lead those clowns against Australia in T20s including himself as a leader.

He forced his way back into the T20 sides because even as an ODI batter, he was better than all Pakistani batters in T20 lol. Then Rizwan played the ultimate death move to the RizBar regime when he opened with Babar and lost the first T20i against SA, whilst Saim played the only T20 innings for Pakistan in that match.

Saim was forced into opening through all of Pakistan being outraged, and he played an innings that has ENDED RizBar opening in T20s forever!

You are right that he’s fought his way in. Had Fakhar’s tweet issue not happened, Saim would have never got an ODI debut and none of this would have happened.

Hopefully Saim has ended Rizbabar opening. Don’t be surprised if they are back on the park again though.

However, it’s not enough. Rizbabar in top3 still means humiliation awaits in T20Is.

They need an overhaul asap. Mohd Haris (c) Saim A, Fakhar Zaman, Abdul Samad, Haider Ali.

 

[mominsaigol]

I will make one final comment and then I'm blocking a bunch of trolls.

I'm not the one who backed saim from the beginning.

@Rana @RedwoodOriginal @shaz619 @TheSultan @emranabbas @ExpressPacer and possibly a few others did.

^^ and full credit to these guys who had more belief then I did.

My whole reason was simple. Saim was flopping like a fish from my perspective which is why I felt a boot was needed. Now that he's performing i know full well that he is >>>>>>>> babar and rizwan in terms of talents.

The difference between me and some ill informed posters is that I'm not pretending or lying about rizwan giving birth to saim and mentoring him, in the same way pat Cummins has no bearings on the success of Travis head.

Saim's failures are his own and so are his performances.

 

[Farabi]

And some posters were saying that Paksitan can't find batsmen who could score quick and big any time. Fakhar was doing it but for some reason he was asked to not open in limited overs.

You got to put score quick and score big batsmen playing the most number of balls. No point in them coming later.

Fakhar Zaman being asked to bat in middle order is the biggest scam in Pakistan cricket of this decade. They would have won at least 1 of the tournaments.

 

[ethan hunt]

No slip and no third man. What was that from Riz.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

A lot of these RizBar fans lie about Saim’s performances in the first 25 games being a flop.

Saim in his first T20i against NZ played an innings showing how he is willing to take the risks needed to take Pakistan forward. He was shaping up nicely until Rizwan laanti ran him out.

Previously, he played a good knock of 40 odd against Afghanistan to help them win the game.

He played plenty of knocks in the 40s but just couldn’t cross 50. The damned 50 mark is considered some kind of measuring stone of greatness for these RizBar fans with their outdated cricketing views. If some bloke like Yasir Khan comes and scores a 38 ball 50 as an opener, that counts as a success according to them.

What even is this talent narrative? I'm genuinely curious?

They all have 2 eyes, 2 hands, and 2 feet's and playing with a bat?

Fundamentally you become a great batter by improving footwork, improving wristwork, Improving hand eye coordination and having game awareness like rr maintainance or finding the gaps in the field?

I never understood this talent mantra. It's fundamentally hard work and smart work that's it.

Hard work to keep your fitness up and practise your strokes and reactions, Smart work to understand areas of improvement.

Saim ayub doesn't have smart work and tbh, I don't think he's working hard either

Tremendous insights. Recommended reading. @Caved12 @Ahmed216 @Mamoon @khyberlion @Kianig89

 

[Buffet]

Fakhar Zaman being asked to bat in middle order is the biggest scam in Pakistan cricket of this decade. They would have won at least 1 of the tournaments.

He has been the only batsman from Pakistan who could go quick and go big. It's puzzling to see him bat in middle order. Made no sense from cricket perspective. Even if inconsistent, you got to put players, who can have impact, face more balls.

Due to not follwing T20 so closely, I used to think that many posters were going unfairly hard on Rizwan and Baber. But a closer look makes it clear that they had merit in their arguments.