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From January 27th and till now , This is no Suicide Bombing in any part of Pakistan , No Target Killing , No Drone Attacks and Even Our Baluchistan Brothers are also silent .


Hats off To Shah Mahmood Qureshi for not getting under pressure of dummy Government .
 
So true,

when some people predicted back in 2001 when bushrraf decided to help USA in Afghanistan that the Pakistan will go in to turmoil but them people were labelled as fanatics and illiterate in modern affairs by so called liberals and modernists.

When people raise points about possible american agency involved in pakistan chaos they were also labelled as crazy.

truth is coming out. hats off to qureshi
 
Wasnt there a suicide attack on an army camp recently?
 
Beggars have no choice, no respect. Stop eating food from American money then talk about self-respect and taking a stand.
 
asad100101 said:
Beggars have no choice, no respect. Stop eating food from American money then talk about self-respect and taking a stand.
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Well, its not begging.

PAK doing military ops and also usa using PAK supply routes.
 
I read an article where it was said that he is a CIA Agent and the two Pakistanis he shot were ISI agents..They were following Davis after the intelligence found out he was in touch with Taliban in Waziristan. Apparently, their claim is that he is selling weapons to the Taliban.
 
My point of view on this is that since this so called War on Terror America is supporting Pakistani Taliban.

The word Talib means seeker or to be more precise it means seeker of knowledge. The students of Islamic Madrassas are called Taliban. After the disintegration of USSR in 1989 and the part USA played in it, USA left Afghanistan (which it was supporting financially through the help of Pakistan) in tatters. The military commanders of Afghanistan and all the Arab fighters from all around the World who fought against the USSR were seen as heroes by the USA at that time. But once the USA left all these Afghan War Lords equipped with heavy weapons supplied by USA to them started a power struggle among themselves. Afghanistan saw the real destruction during this time of Civil War from 1989 to 1994. Pakistan decided to take the matters in their hand and with the help of ISI Taliban were created. Taliban slowly took control of Afghanistan and came fully into power in 1996. They established a harsh Islamic government in Afghanistan. Though their style of government was harsh but one thing they achieved and that was peace in Afghanistan. During Taliban reign in Afghanistan there was no infighting between any War lords. In North of Afghanistan Ahmad Shah Masood a veteran War Lord of Russian War along with other Tajik and Uzbek War lords were resisting Taliban.

At this point in time USA feared the spread of this Islamic Ideology to other parts of the world. So they created the drama of 9/11 and attacked Afghanistan to destroy the Taliban government. USA was also helping Ahmad Shah Masood and the other War Lords of the Northern Alliance in their resistance to the Taliban before the 9/11. USA was well aware that Ahmad Shah will never tolerate the invasion of Afghanistan by any foreign troops even US, so they killed Ahmad Shah just a month before the 9/11 in a bomb blast.

The Taliban resisted the Allied forces for some time but eventually they left the Kabul and despersed. USA thought this war to be easy but it was not. After spending 5 years in Afghanistan and unable to fully destroy Taliban or take control of all of Afghanistan USA conspired to do it the other way. They created Pakistani Taliban in 2006-7. They fully funded and helped the creation of Pakistan Taliban, who were ordered to create havoc in Pakistan through suicide bombings. USA unable to finish the war in Afghanistan tried to push this War to Pakistan and to involve Pakistan Armed forces in this. USA successed in this and Pakistan Army was involved in operations against Pakistan Taliban.

USA is providing weapons and finance to these Pakistan Taliban and Raymond Davis was doing the same.

This is all my personal view and anybody can have a different point of view.
 
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njamal574 said:
My point of view on this is that since this so called War on Terror America is supporting Pakistani Taliban.

The word Talib means seeker or to be more precise it means seeker of knowledge. The students of Islamic Madrassas are called Taliban. After the disintegration of USSR in 1989 and the part USA played in it, USA left Afghanistan (which it was supporting financially through the help of Pakistan) in tatters. The military commanders of Afghanistan and all the Arab fighters from all around the World who fought against the USSR were seen as heroes by the USA at that time. But once the USA left all these Afghan War Lords equipped with heavy weapons supplied by USA to them started a power struggle among themselves. Afghanistan saw the real destruction during this time of Civil War from 1989 to 1994. Pakistan decided to take the matters in their hand and with the help of ISI Taliban were created. Taliban slowly took control of Afghanistan and came fully into power in 1996. They established a harsh Islamic government in Afghanistan. Though their style of government was harsh but one thing they achieved and that was peace in Afghanistan. During Taliban reign in Afghanistan there was no infighting between any War lords. In North of Afghanistan Ahmad Shah Masood a veteran War Lord of Russian War along with other Tajik and Uzbek War lords were resisting Taliban.

At this point in time USA feared the spread of this Islamic Ideology to other parts of the world. So they created the drama of 9/11 and attacked Afghanistan to destroy the Taliban government. USA was also helping Ahmad Shah Masood and the other War Lords of the Northern Alliance in their resistance to the Taliban before the 9/11. USA was well aware that Ahmad Shah will never tolerate the invasion of Afghanistan by any foreign troops even US, so they killed Ahmad Shah just a month before the 9/11 in a bomb blast.

The Taliban resisted the Allied forces for some time but eventually they left the Kabul and despersed. USA thought this war to be easy but it was not. After spending 5 years in Afghanistan and unable to fully destroy Taliban or take control of all of Afghanistan USA conspired to do it the other way. They created Pakistani Taliban in 2006-7. They fully funded and helped the creation of Pakistan Taliban, who were ordered to create havoc in Pakistan through suicide bombings. USA unable to finish the war in Afghanistan tried to push this War to Pakistan and to involve Pakistan Armed forces in this. USA successed in this and Pakistan Army was involved in operations against Pakistan Taliban.

USA is providing weapons and finance to these Pakistan Taliban and Raymond Davis was doing the same.

This is all my personal view and anybody can have a different point of view.
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they are just called talib. student of medical university is also called talib. the word talib simply means student. he could be a talib of any field of education



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Guys whats the update on Davis? Its now confirmed that he's a CIA agent, but what do guys think gonna happen to him? Whats the latest prediction of things to come. Sorry I'm not really following political talk shows these days...
 
^^Nothing Kiani, CIA's station Chief in Pakistan will make sure, his fellow agent is released back to the US...
 
Interesting.

Am I the only one who thinks Pakistan will stretch this case for as long as they can and irritate the hell out of Americans for a while? Something I see as worth appreciating.
 
Confirmed as CIA spy by The Guardian. Apparently the US Government is pressurising US media to keep it quiet.

American who sparked diplomatic crisis over Lahore shooting was CIA spy


The American who shot dead two men in Lahore, triggering a diplomatic crisis between Pakistan and the US, is a CIA agent who was on assignment at the time.

Raymond Davis has been the subject of widespread speculation since he opened fire with a semi-automatic Glock pistol on the two men who had pulled up in front of his car at a red light on 25 January.

Pakistani authorities charged him with murder, but the Obama administration has insisted he is an "administrative and technical official" attached to its Lahore consulate and has diplomatic immunity.

Based on interviews in the US and Pakistan, the Guardian can confirm that the 36-year-old former special forces soldier is employed by the CIA. "It's beyond a shadow of a doubt," said a senior Pakistani intelligence official. The revelation may complicate American efforts to free Davis, who insists he was acting in self-defence against a pair of suspected robbers, who were both carrying guns.

Pakistani prosecutors accuse the spy of excessive force, saying he fired 10 shots and got out of his car to shoot one man twice in the back as he fled. The man's body was found 30 feet from his motorbike.

"It went way beyond what we define as self-defence. It was not commensurate with the threat," a senior police official involved in the case told the Guardian.

The Pakistani government is aware of Davis's CIA status yet has kept quiet in the face of immense American pressure to free him under the Vienna convention. Last week President Barack Obama described Davis as "our diplomat" and dispatched his chief diplomatic troubleshooter, Senator John Kerry, to Islamabad. Kerry returned home empty-handed.

Many Pakistanis are outraged at the idea of an armed American rampaging through their second-largest city. Analysts have warned of Egyptian-style protests if Davis is released. The government, fearful of a backlash, says it needs until 14 March to decide whether Davis enjoys immunity.

A third man was crushed by an American vehicle as it rushed to Davis's aid. Pakistani officials believe its occupants were CIA because they came from the house where Davis lived and were armed.

The US refused Pakistani demands to interrogate the two men and on Sunday a senior Pakistani intelligence official said they had left the country. "They have flown the coop, they are already in America," he said.

ABC News reported that the men had the same diplomatic visas as Davis. It is not unusual for US intelligence officers, like their counterparts round the world, to carry diplomatic passports.

The US has accused Pakistan of illegally detaining him and riding roughshod over international treaties. Angry politicians have proposed slashing Islamabad's $1.5bn (£900m) annual aid.

But Washington's case is hobbled by its resounding silence on Davis's role. He served in the US special forces for 10 years before leaving in 2003 to become a security contractor. A senior Pakistani official said he believed Davis had worked with Xe, the firm formerly known as Blackwater.

Pakistani suspicions about Davis's role were stoked by the equipment police confiscated from his car: an unlicensed pistol, a long-range radio, a GPS device, an infrared torch and a camera with pictures of buildings around Lahore.

"This is not the work of a diplomat. He was doing espionage and surveillance activities," said the Punjab law minister, Rana Sanaullah, adding he had "confirmation" that Davis was a CIA employee.

A number of US media outlets learned about Davis's CIA role but have kept it under wraps at the request of the Obama administration. A Colorado television station, 9NEWS, made a connection after speaking to Davis's wife. She referred its inquiries to a number in Washington which turned out to be the CIA. The station removed the CIA reference from its website at the request of the US government.

Some reports, quoting Pakistani intelligence officials, have suggested that the men Davis killed, Faizan Haider, 21, and Muhammad Faheem, 19, were agents of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence spy agency (ISI) and had orders to shadow Davis because he crossed a "red line".

A senior police official confirmed US claims that the men were petty thieves – investigators found stolen mobiles, foreign currency and weapons on them – but did not rule out an intelligence link.

A senior ISI official denied the dead men worked for the spy agency but admitted the CIA relationship had been damaged. "We are a sovereign country and if they want to work with us, they need to develop a trusting relationship on the basis of equality. Being arrogant and demanding is not the way to do it," he said.

Tensions between the spy agencies have been growing. The CIA Islamabad station chief was forced to leave in December after being named in a civil lawsuit. The ISI was angered when its chief, General Shuja Pasha, was named in a New York lawsuit related to the 2008 Mumbai attacks.

Although the two spy services co-operate in the CIA's drone campaign along the Afghan border, there has not been a drone strike since 23 January – the longest lull since June 2009. Experts are unsure whether both events are linked.

Davis awaits his fate in Kot Lakhpat jail in Lahore. Pakistani officials say they have taken exceptional measures to ensure his safety, including ringing the prison with paramilitary Punjab Rangers. The law minister, Sanaullah, said Davis was in a "high security zone" and was receiving food from visitors from the US consulate.

Sanaullah said 140 foreigners were in the facility, many on drug charges. Press reports have speculated that the authorities worry the US could try to spring Davis in a "Hollywood-style sting". "All measures for his security have been taken," said the ISI official. "He's as safe as can be."
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Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/20/us-raymond-davis-lahore-cia
 
Poor family getting all tangled around global politics. What has the Punjab govt done to protect them?
 
4000 deaths so far due to aerial raids and Pakistani army + Intel are doing nothing in counter .... painful to even imagine the hell that people of those areas are exposed to . Though I have Pakistani Nationality and I love these lands but I sometimes think that it would be a lot better if those unfortunate families were not Pakistanis ... at least there would be someone with heart enuf , who could fight for them .
 
poisonjet said:
4000 deaths so far due to aerial raids and Pakistani army + Intel are doing nothing in counter .... painful to even imagine the hell that people of those areas are exposed to . Though I have Pakistani Nationality and I love these lands but I sometimes think that it would be a lot better if those unfortunate families were not Pakistanis ... at least there would be someone with heart enuf , who could fight for them .
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i know what you mean bro but leaders come from the public itself . If 99% of our leaders are corrupt , it says a lot about the people themselves . trust me , too many people are corrupt to the core , even the ones complaining about it . I don`t know how but people have become opportunists and selfish .

That is why , when people point out one leader and blame him for everything that is wrong with the country , it makes me angry . Our problems are basic , but they have existed for such a long time at such a large scale that just one person cannot be blamed for it .

Our government gets blamed all the time but everyone wants a government job , particularly incompetent people on sifarish . Why ? Because you get paid for doing nothing and then there is " ooper ki aamdani " . Our government and basically every institution owned by the government is OVERSTAFFED .

The media , the the NGOs , the lawyers , politicians - oh you name it - they all go after the government over non-issues to have it solved , and to get the people involved , they portray it as a national issue . But did they get issues like inflation , unemployment , security , street crime , subsidized mass transportation solved ? These are problems that will make positive impact in everyone 's life .

Our problem is not Pakistan , our problem is Pakistanis and our Pakistaniat .
 
Thanks to the dubious religious laws, Raymond Davis has been acquitted

Just watching breaking news on geo, Raymond Davis has been acquitted thanks to the "deeyat" law in islam which makes it possible for the culprit to get away simply by giving blood money to the victim's relatives

I mean seriously how can any one bargain over a human life and that too with money ?

Once again ages old tribal laws ridicule pakisan but since this time it's religion which is on the doubtful side so no one would even question it.


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If the family has agreed to this without political pressure then it is okay I guess. I personally would have liked to seem punished. Win Win situation for the government they can appease the Americans and satisfy the religious opposition.
 
Nothing wrong with these laws but i am not sure if they were applicable in this particular situation or not.

I am happy that Mullahs could not hijack the Davis case. He had to be released eventually. It is a sad reality.
 
Tweet From Najam Sethi

najamsethi Najam Sethi
As predicted, Davis has been freed on application of Kissas and Diyat law. CM Shahbaz played key secret role.
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So now family can decide if they want to punish the crimnal or not? This law is barbaric and should be changed inmediatly.
 
Islamic system of law (what I've read of it, might be completely mistaken, in which case please correct me) in regards to criminals is more focused on retribution as the main purpose of punishment, rather than rehabilitation or incarceration as such.

That's probably why the families had a choice; they're the one's seeking retribution (though it could be arguable society on the whole should claim retribution)
 
See no body is even questioning :))

Anyways, it's really funny to see the agony and desperation of right-wing journalists like Ansar Abbasi, Hamid Meer etc :))
Since they can't even question the religious laws even if there life depended on it, therefore now they are clutching the straws now and have come up with another twisted logic i.e that since its a matter of "fasad-fil-arz" therefore the deeyat couldn't be applied in this case :))

Aien e nau se darna, tarz-e-kuhan pe arna
Manzil yahi kathan hay qaumaun ki zindagi mai
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must have been a tough decision for the family with pressure from all sides.
 
Raymond Davis released confirmed by Rana Sanaullah

LAHORE: US national Raymond Davis, the accused in the double-murder case in Lahore has been released, Punjab Law Minister Rana Sanaullah confirmed on Wednesday. The Punjab government claims it played no part in the release of Davis.

Sanaullah added that the families of the victims in the Lahore shooting pardoned Davis, and have signed pardon papers in this regard.

“The court first indicted him but the families later told the court that they have accepted the blood money and they have pardoned him,” Punjab Law Minister Rana Sanaullah told Reuters.

“The court acquitted him in the murder case.”



Initial reports from sources state that Davis has been flown to London.

Earlier in the day, a sessions court judge in Lahore had formally indicted US national Davis.

According to Express 24/7 correspondent Muhammad Rizwan, in the hearing that took place at Kot Lakhpat jail, Davis’ counsel Zahid Hussain Bokhari tried to stall the ruling saying he did not trust the investigation process. However, the judge ignored his statement and formally indicted the accused.

Davis was only indicted for double murder and not for other charges like espionage.

Davis was arrested after he killed two Pakistanis, Faizan and Faheem, in Lahore’s Mozang area, on January 27, 2011.

In the last hearing, Davis had refused to receive any documents or sign the charge-sheet. His attorneys had said they had received it on his behalf and had asked the court to include it in its orders. According to sources they had sought further time to prepare for the trial.
 
Apparently 20 crores (given under the umbrella of religion) was enough to sedate qaumi ghairat of religious pakistanis :))
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problem is they didnt indite him for espionage! then this wouldnt have mattered!! but neverthless we have gleand much from his incarceration.!!
 
Shouldn't the victim or his heir allow the criminal to buy his way out of part or all of his punishment.
 
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He would have been let off anyway by one means or another. If everything else had failed there would have been presidential pardon or similar. American have a habbit of going scott free from Asia. Its nothing compared to Bhopal Gas Tragedy.
 
I think the family was threaten.... WHy will they accept the money. Stupid Barbaric Law.....
 
How on earth can this law be described as 'barbaric' of all things?
 
Raymond Davis set free ( money talks )

ISLAMABAD: A Court on Wednesday freed CIA contractor Raymond Davis, who was accused of murdering two men in Lahore, after blood money (Diyat) was paid in accordance with sharia law, sources said.

"The family members of the slain men appeared in the court and independently verified they had pardoned him (Davis)," provincial law minister Rana Sanaullah told Geo News."He has been released from jail.

Now it is up to him. He can go wherever he wants," he added.

The January shooting sparked a diplomatic row with the United States, who persistently claimed Davis was an embassy employee and enjoyed diplomatic immunity, particularly after it emerged he was working for the CIA.

http://geo.tv/3-16-2011/79409.htm


hahahahahahaah i have to say.... the family have taken payment for there loved ones live....:yk

Now CIA agents are going to kill people left ...right ..and centre and keep paying money to the families
 
Blood money exists in Islam but forcing somebody to accept the blood money doesn't count in Shariah !
 
The authorities must be happy that the widow of one of the men slain by Davis took her own life - she probably wouldn't have been as quick to accept this blood money.

"I do not expect any justice from this government," the Associated Press quoted her as saying in a statement recorded by the doctor before she died.

"That is why I want to kill myself."

AP reported that Shumaila also spoke to reporters after arriving at the hospital, saying: "I want blood for blood."

"The way my husband was shot, his killer should be shot in the same fashion," she said.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12379038
 
Wow dubious law?

So in Islam if someone gets "capital punishment", it is barbaric and if the person is freed by paying blood money to the family, it is dubious?

I guess some people are hard to please.

I think someone took a big big advantage of this law. And by big, I mean huge.
Because you know, since this is an Islamic law, the general public cannot challenge or protest against it and this was the only tactic to help free Raymond. They couldn't just free him without any charges.

And I'm DAMN sure the families were pressurized or even threatened to take up this step.
Poison said:
How on earth can this law be described as 'barbaric' of all things?
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Exactly, it is anything but barbaric.

Arsh_afridi said:
Blood money exists in Islam but forcing somebody to accept the blood money doesn't count in Shariah !
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Ascer, this family has received 60 million Rs here. They have also received American citizenship. Can you contemplate how much this money will change this life?

It's worth spending a day of your life with people living under severe oppression in Pakistan before you pass such sweeping Judgments. It's all well sitting under Air Conditioned house with the luxery of also having a generator and a good education behind you. 60% of Pakistan does not have those resources. 60% of Pakistan will not see that kind of money in another 10 generations. Please get real
 
Ramond davis should have been killed by the public when he was caught , this ws bound to happen,
4 lives gone and the man is set free....wow

What a justice...............
 
Dear idiots,

This law of blood money is mentioned in the Qur'an. So in actual fact, you are insulting Allah and His messenger.

I guess you should renew your imaan. That is, if you claim to be a muslim.

However, whether this law was justly applied in this case, is a different matter.
 
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Davis may still be tried in the US ... quite ironic.

And as for all the Islamists out on the streets protesting about him .. well it's self pwnage for them ... their very own belief system sets him free .. go figure.
 
kashif77 said:
Davis may still be tried in the US ... quite ironic.

And as for all the Islamists out on the streets protesting about him .. well it's self pwnage for them ... their very own belief system sets him free .. go figure.
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:))) :))) thats actually so true. lmao QOTW
 
Two things happened.

1. Family were forced to take the money
2. The amount was so much that the family just could not refuse

On the other hand shame on Pakistani government for not trying him on breaking other laws such as

1. Illegally carrying a fire arm
2. Accomplice to the murder of the person run over (No one seems to care about the real innocent person)
3. Possible espionage

Our Govt has once again shown they are just mere puppets with no backbone
 
i am bit confused about all that fuss created he is CIA agent etc etc , Now he is been set free without any questioning on him being a CIA agent?
 
This whole blood money business is weird.

This law basically says that Rich people can go and kill whomever they want, as at the end of the day, everybody has a price. Not to mention that Rich people also can assert pressure.

Put pressure, give 20 Crores (which is a lot of money !), and you kill whomever you want. Wah, what a law.
 
There is nothing wrong with this law. Our liberal fascist fools see the world in a binary where their reality is every1s reality.

60 million Rs, American citizenship, a life for their young children in America. To reject all those based on principles which will only lead you to further poverty and oppression in an ever failing Pakistan society? Yeah right!
 
BTW law exists in islam but there are different situations where this law can be applied.
Calling law dubious is insult to quran so be careful,
 
My logic is simple he would be freed in any case every pakistani knew that well in advance since beggars have no choice. Blood money or not. Good luck to these families for their bright future in USA there is no point of dwelling in the past.
 
kashif77 said:
Davis may still be tried in the US ... quite ironic.

And as for all the Islamists out on the streets protesting about him .. well it's self pwnage for them ... their very own belief system sets him free .. go figure.
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It was merely a misuse of the law.
No self-pwnage, sorry to break it to you mate.


asad100101 said:
Haha. Mullahs got their own medicine. Americans are very smart people.
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Yup, you are one of them aren't you? Wannabe Americans?
 
shan said:
So now family can decide if they want to punish the crimnal or not? This law is barbaric and should be changed inmediatly.
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Was that sarcasm, so killing someone is not barbaric but family deciding to take blood money and forgiving is barbaric, hmmmm, true that some people are not happy any way, let me put it further, some people are just plain not happy with any aspect of Islam and are always criticizing it in one way or another.
 
asad100101 said:
My logic is simple he would be freed in any case every pakistani knew that well in advance since beggars have no choice. Blood money or not. Good luck to these families for their bright future in USA there is no point of dwelling in the past.
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Just let the Tea/Republican Party know that they are in the US thanks to Sharia Law and lets see how good of a future they have in US.
 
Sherazkhalid said:
Was that sarcasm, so killing someone is not barbaric but family deciding to take blood money and forgiving is barbaric, hmmmm, true that some people are not happy any way, let me put it further, some people are just plain not happy with any aspect of Islam and are always criticizing it in one way or another.
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Ridiculous ain't it?
That's what I said in my post too.Some people are just never happy.
 
Super Sixer said:
It was merely a misuse of the law.
No self-pwnage, sorry to break it to you mate.



Wht
Yup, you are one of them aren't you? Wannabe Americans?
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What's wrong with wanna be Americans mullAhs are already eating burgers drinking cokes speaking English language why does a common man deprive their life because of these two faced mullahs.
 
PerfectionPersonified said:
Ramond davis should have been killed by the public when he was caught , this ws bound to happen,
4 lives gone and the man is set free....wow

What a justice...............
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And then what? You don't think another davis would be on the scene in no time??? or that there already are many davis present in Pakistan.

How many criminals get caught in Pakistan? if only pakistanis were this vocal about every criminal in the country. As much as it hurts to see him get away with murder, there was due process ( though biased) and hopefully the families will get compensation.
 
Sherazkhalid said:
Just let the Tea/Republican Party know that they are in the US thanks to Sharia Law and lets see how good of a future they have in US.
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Will be better thAn that of inpakistan free education for their kids they will spend a disciplined life will earn decent money thier thinking will be changed. Don't be jealous just wish them good luck. It is their personal life. They cAn forgive their enemies it is upto them.
 
asad100101 said:
Will be better thAn that of inpakistan free education for their kids they will spend a disciplined life will earn decent money thier thinking will be changed. Don't be jealous just wish them good luck. It is their personal life. They cAn forgive their enemies it is upto them.
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What on earth?
And dude, its open bribery! They literally bribed the family into making such a decision.

As for the forgiving of enemies, Aafia Siddique wasn't forgiven, was she?
 
Super Sixer said:
It was merely a misuse of the law.
No self-pwnage, sorry to break it to you mate.
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Ah yes .. it's always 'misuse' .. whether it is the blasphemy laws, Hudood Ordinance and now this.

So tell me when are these laws used and not misused ?

When did the four witness rule for rape ever uphold justice not restrict it ?

When did the blasphemy law ever stop blasphemy and not lead to the deaths of innocents ?

"Mate" ... religion and common law are two things that the rest of the world has very smartly learned to keep separate.

If they mix you get humiliating and unjust outcomes like this situation.
 
asad100101 said:
Will be better thAn that of inpakistan free education for their kids they will spend a disciplined life will earn decent money thier thinking will be changed. Don't be jealous just wish them good luck. It is their personal life. They cAn forgive their enemies it is upto them.
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Well why would I be jealous, I am telling what it is.

Btw I do agree with your point of family forgiving someone who killed their loved ones.
 
Suggest a 'just' outcome for all affected parties Oh Wise One. ^
 
kashif77 said:
And as for all the Islamists out on the streets protesting about him .. well it's self pwnage for them ... their very own belief system sets him free .. go figure.
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Hold on your horses... The protesters were pakistani and the happened to be muslims (and possibly others) so to use the term 'islamists' is quit idiotic on your side. Moreover they were not protesting against davis/USA just because they were muslims or felt their muslim identity under threat. They protested to point out the american poodleship by our corrupt government (guess they are non-islamists).

Most like the belief system did not set the davis guy free but even if the family really willingly accepted the qisas then how it is pwnage of rest of the 'islamist' in the country? It is more to do with preferences of family.

oh who I am trying to explain...it's the typical american poodle!

DesiMunda said:
This law basically says that Rich people can go and kill whomever they want, as at the end of the day, everybody has a price. Not to mention that Rich people also can assert pressure.
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You do not know nothing about the law. Learn before commenting on it.
 
Super Sixer said:
What on earth?
And dude, its open bribery! They literally bribed the family into making such a decision.

As for the forgiving of enemies, Aafia Siddique wasn't forgiven, was she?
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Well how can you call it bribery, if your loved one is killed and you accept to forgive the murderer for blood money how come it is bribery. Forgiving is not easy in such cases and if someone is forgiving for blood money you are calling it bribery, shame.
 
Shows our face as a nation ....


Pakistanis have no nationalism ....
 
Sherazkhalid said:
Well how can you call it bribery, if your loved one is killed and you accept to forgive the murderer for blood money how come it is bribery. Forgiving is not easy in such cases and if someone is forgiving for blood money you are calling it bribery, shame.
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Assuming authorities forced the family to take money, let's call it forced bribery. This is not same as Qisas (the sharia law).
 
Sherazkhalid said:
Well how can you call it bribery, if your loved one is killed and you accept to forgive the murderer for blood money how come it is bribery. Forgiving is not easy in such cases and if someone is forgiving for blood money you are calling it bribery, shame.
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Nooo
You misread my statement.

The family was bribed into making such a decision..American visas were granted to them.

Yes, people can forgive..but when you see that they are being offered American visas and other luxuries, its kinda hard not to suspect it as bribery.
 
zimmz said:
Assuming authorities forced the family to take money, let's call it forced bribery. This is not same as Qisas (the sharia law).
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Yes I do agree with that, but with current circumstances I am happy the family got something, now next time people will know that Pakistani blood will cost them.
 
^ That's naive bro on your part. Do you think, if at all the family receives, the money comes from the pocket of this Davis guy? It's gonna be paid by US tax payers (or worst out of US aid to Pakistan which indirectly is paid by our poor nation). On the other hand davis guy prolly was so important for US (secret information etc) that all the efforts/costs were worth it.

Worst of all in future USA and agents (or any other nationals) will not be afraid any more in killing people in Pakistan because they know with the help of poodle government no one can harm them (also under the cover of sharia law).
 
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Yes I do agree with that, but with current circumstances I am happy the family got something, now next time people will know that Pakistani blood will cost them.
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Do you think 20 crore Pakistani rupees will make even a dent in the people who are backing Davis? It only shows that Pak lives can be bought for money

In the end it was a nice loop-hole worked between the Pak and Us goverment in a way which will not stir any revolt and Davis gets to go scot free too(as predcited by most months ago)
 
Sherazkhalid said:
Yes I do agree with that, but with current circumstances I am happy the family got something, now next time people will know that Pakistani blood will cost them.
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hey its not like raymond davis paid this out personally... this sort of money is peanuts for a government to pay out to save a spy who was caught red handed!

pakistan government again has shown itself to be a complete joke! now imagine if a ISI spy killed to guys in the UK or US and tell me if they would get let off scot free?
 
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