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[REPORT] Shane Watson has withdrawn his candidacy for the position of head coach for Pakistan [Update on Post# 117]

Who should be the next head coach of the Pakistan Cricket Team?

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As per a local media report,a day after PCB Chairman Mohsin Naqvi announced the commencement of the search for a head coach and coaching staff, several potential candidates have surfaced.

Mike Hesson and Daren Sammy are notable figures being considered for the coaching position of the Pakistan national men’s cricket team.

The report goes on to mention that the PCB is contemplating Sir Vivian Richards for a mentoring role within the team.

Under the leadership of Mohsin Naqvi, the PCB is keen on assembling a robust coaching staff for the national cricket team. To expedite the process and ensure a timely appointment before the upcoming T20I series against New Zealand at home, the PCB is also exploring the option of appointing local coaches alongside foreign consultants.

What is your choice for Pakistan's cricket team's next foreign head coach?
 
As per reports, Shane Watson has emerged as a strong contender for the coveted position of head coach for the Pakistan national cricket team.

Discussions are underway between Shane Watson and officials from the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) regarding the possibility of him taking on the crucial role of leading the national team.

Pending the finalization of the agreement, Watson is expected to meet with PCB Chairman Mohsin Naqvi to formalize the terms of both short-term and long-term arrangements.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
I think Sammy should get a chance because he supported Pakistan cricket when nobody was bothering to come to Pakistan and play. He has done so much for Pakistan cricket.
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I made a thread in 2021 where I suggested him as coach for T20. It didn't get any traction but he's a good candidate.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
I think Sammy should get a chance because he supported Pakistan cricket when nobody was bothering to come to Pakistan and play. He has done so much for Pakistan cricket.
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Then he should step down from PZ as well

Anyone who agrees to the job should step down from their franchise position
 
The Bald Eagle said:
He will work with conviction and dedication.
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He’s a loose guy btw, franchise cricket is all fun but international cricket requires a different kind of dedication

I personally would go with Watson. Hesson won’t be available for Pakistan, he has IPL commitments
 
Doesn't Pakistan have good local coaches?

I remember Kabir Khan doing good work for the Afghan team.
 
Let's put it out there and say from the start that whoever is appointed, will be sacked within a year. There was a famous American political catch phrase in the 90s which said " its the economy stupid", well for PK cricket, its the system stupid. At the higher level a coach makes little difference unless we get our version of Baz and go helter-skelter but we don't have the players to do it.
 
Apparently Shane Watson is being considered a strong contender. He has been offered a very lucrative package. He will meet with the Chairman to finalize his terms
 
If Mike Hesson is being considered, shouldn't it be a no brainer that he is picked given his actual international coaching experiences.

What have Watson or Sammy ever done seriously in the coaching world? their appointments to me sound more like short term consultancy and perhaps that's exactly what PCB given how long they keep people about.
 
Savak said:
Apparently Shane Watson is being considered a strong contender. He has been offered a very lucrative package. He will meet with the Chairman to finalize his terms
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This is hilarious to say the least lol they will offer any monkey off the street the lead position of their miserable set up
 
Who do you think should be the next coach of the Pakistan Cricket Team? A poll has been added to this thread please share your thoughts!
 
If I had a choice between Peter Siddle or Bryan Lara as coach.. I would pick Siddle

If I had a choice between Mitchell Johnson or Sachin Tendulkar as coach, I would pick Mitchell Johnson

Anytime you give me an Aussie as an option over all others to lead, Ill pick the Aussie as the leader.
 
Even West Indians don’t want Sammy as their coach.

Either Hesson or Watson are clear cur better choices
 
Watson and Sammy as head coaches LOL really. I am surprised they did not give it some retired Army person as Army seems to be capable of doing anything in Pakistan.

International coaching is not for someone to learn on the job. Someone who have some credentials and evidence of successful coaching should be selected. Hesson ticks all the boxes.
 
cricketcricket79 said:
Watson and Sammy as head coaches LOL really. I am surprised they did not give it some retired Army person as Army seems to be capable of doing anything in Pakistan.

International coaching is not for someone to learn on the job. Someone who have some credentials and evidence of successful coaching should be selected. Hesson ticks all the boxes.
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We would all love Gary Kirsten as head coach but how do you expect Pakistan to sign him or any top level coach for the job?
 
Shane Watson in his meeting with the PCB Chairman mentioned that the fitness of the Pakistani players in general is one of the worst he has seen and he explained how in general he was far from impressed by the training, eating habits and the manner in which some of the players go about their net sessions. He was the one who advocated a brutal army training camp for the players.
 
Savak said:
Shane Watson in his meeting with the PCB Chairman mentioned that the fitness of the Pakistani players in general is one of the worst he has seen and he explained how in general he was far from impressed by the training, eating habits and the manner in which some of the players go about their net sessions. He was the one who advocated a brutal army training camp for the players.
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He must have seen Azam Khan eating his breakfast with parathas....
 
Rana said:
We would all love Gary Kirsten as head coach but how do you expect Pakistan to sign him or any top level coach for the job?
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That is a good point. But Hesson is super accomplished coach, well respected for the work he has done and IMO he is much better option than Watson and Sammy. Why would PCB not go far Hesson instead of Watson is a big surprise to me.
 
cricketcricket79 said:
That is a good point. But Hesson is super accomplished coach, well respected for the work he has done and IMO he is much better option than Watson and Sammy. Why would PCB not go far Hesson instead of Watson is a big surprise to me.
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He is not available due to other commitments.
 
cricketcricket79 said:
That is a good point. But Hesson is super accomplished coach, well respected for the work he has done and IMO he is much better option than Watson and Sammy. Why would PCB not go far Hesson instead of Watson is a big surprise to me.
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The PCB coach selection committee is probably heavily swayed by Watsons playing career
 
Lol @ Sammy. PCB is a joke board. No coach worth anything would want to work for such an unstable employer.
 
Naqvi us a idiot...Watson will be gone by November.. the system is a joke and is not built for success..any will be because of a few players..don't expect anything..
 
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shaz619 said:
If Mike Hesson is being considered, shouldn't it be a no brainer that he is picked given his actual international coaching experiences.

What have Watson or Sammy ever done seriously in the coaching world? their appointments to me sound more like short term consultancy and perhaps that's exactly what PCB given how long they keep people about.
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This.

Nothing against Sammy or Watson, but if we are going to give them the job it should be because they are better coaches than anyone else. I understand that a coach needs leadership qualities as well at this level, but Pakistan needs specialist coaches above all else. If they are hired as well as a head coach, then fine, bring whoever would be a good fit.
 
PCB shouldn’t expect too much from the newly elected coach

Pakistan have no performing spinners.

Fast bowlers have declined massively. The main bowler Shaheen is no longer the same threat.

There is no performing dynamic batsmen in the line up.

Average line up can only give average results.
 
What experience does Shane Watson have to get this position? He seems too young to be a coach, and he is a very emotional character. On the other hand, Darren Sammy hasn't done anything significant yet other than giving interviews and appearing like a cartoon sitting in a dugout.

We need the right person for the coaching role. In the Pakistan international team, we require more of a good man-manager than a former cricketer turned coach.

Local coaches should also be preferred. Otherwise, what will happen to cricketers who are retiring and transitioning into coaching roles? There should be a proper channel or system to determine coaching performance at the national level, and coaches who excel in this should be given preference at the international level.
 
Mamoon said:
My hope is that whoever is appointed the coach has the sense to let PCB know that they cannot work with Masood because a rubbish player like him shouldn’t even be in the squad let alone captain the Test team.
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You are not happy with Babar, not happy with Shaheen, and now not happy with Masood. Who do you want to captain the Pakistan team, Rohit Sharma?
 
Mamoon said:
My hope is that whoever is appointed the coach has the sense to let PCB know that they cannot work with Masood because a rubbish player like him shouldn’t even be in the squad let alone captain the Test team.
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How is Watson going to communicate his ideas to Babar, Rizwan or Shaheen?
 
I know India've had foreign coaches in the past and benefited from them but I've always felt it's wrong to have a foreign coach for a national team. The national team represents the best of the Nation and it's really weird to have it led by someone not from the country. After all, you can't import players just because the players you have aren't good enough. Why should it be possible to import a coach who's almost the leader of the team in sports like football and cricket?

Of course I do understand exceptions have to be made for countries that don't have a culture in that particular sport so can't draw on experience but for major countries like Pakistan, India, England etc. which have a long proud history in cricket, it just doesn't make sense.
 
Watson would be an interesting choice. He also a bit of a mind motivator and does talks about this. The problem most of the Pakistan's players do not speak or understand English very well except for Shaan & a few others.

So not sure how his ideas/coaching will come across but I guess beggars can't be choosers as our domestic coaches seems to get little respect from the players if they get the Pakistan coaching job.
 
Given time hafeez would have come good - silly decision to remove him.

They should have at least kept him as assistant - hafeez is dedicated, sensible and is not a guy to favour any player - his a merit sort of guy.

His stance towards fixer amir tells you everything you need to know about the integrity of the guy….
 
adi_62941 said:
You are not happy with Babar, not happy with Shaheen, and now not happy with Masood. Who do you want to captain the Pakistan team, Rohit Sharma?
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I had no issues with Babar captaining the Test team. He remains the best option.

Masood with an average of 28 after 33 Tests shouldn’t be within a miles radius of the squad.
 
Savak said:
Shane Watson in his meeting with the PCB Chairman mentioned that the fitness of the Pakistani players in general is one of the worst he has seen and he explained how in general he was far from impressed by the training, eating habits and the manner in which some of the players go about their net sessions. He was the one who advocated a brutal army training camp for the players.
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Pakistan need an outsider to absolutely tear into the fitness and discipline levels we saw under the previous few managements.

I still can’t believe that the players were ordering takeout during a WORLD CUP.

Watson is hardly Sherlock Holmes for concluding that Pakistan fitness levels are the worst in the world.

The question is - what is his plan to do anything about it?
 
Fanti78 said:
Given time hafeez would have come good - silly decision to remove him.

They should have at least kept him as assistant - hafeez is dedicated, sensible and is not a guy to favour any player - his a merit sort of guy.

His stance towards fixer amir tells you everything you need to know about the integrity of the guy….
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He's also the one who appears to possess a few brain cells among Pakistan's ex-cricketers. I have no idea what his coaching credentials are though, but he probably should have been part of the leadership group.
 
hitthestump said:
Pakistan need an outsider to absolutely tear into the fitness and discipline levels we saw under the previous few managements.

I still can’t believe that the players were ordering takeout during a WORLD CUP.

Watson is hardly Sherlock Holmes for concluding that Pakistan fitness levels are the worst in the world.

The question is - what is his plan to do anything about it?
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A brutal army training camp from the sounds of it.
 
Hesson isn't accepting the Head Coach role for Pak unless he suffers a massive career decline.
Watson too isn't going to accept the role and leave the gigs he has in the franchise circuit.
Darren Sammy is the WI LOI coach.
 
Anyone of them would be good. the question is, how long will these guys accept the PCB's toxiv culture
 
Mamoon said:
My hope is that whoever is appointed the coach has the sense to let PCB know that they cannot work with Masood because a rubbish player like him shouldn’t even be in the squad let alone captain the Test team.
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They would rather sack the coach then drop Masood coz he speaks good engreezi..
 
No established foreign coach in their right mind would want the gig.

PCB doesn't offer the stability, easy schedule, and the salary packages some of these T20 franchises can.

It's more likely we'll be in the market for young, up and coming coaches at the start of their careers.
 
The head coach can be local as long as he is a good man manager but the batting, bowling and fielding coaches must be foreign.
 
Honestly doesn't matter who you pick because he or she will be gone within the year anyway the way the PCB is run.
 
Its not the coaching that players need at this level its the tactical aspects during, after and before game situations that need refining.

We have lost countless matches at crucial times due to tactical errors and lack of awareness from winning positions.

The question is who is the best tactically out of Hesson, sammy and watson.

With regards to darren sammy khan im sure he is the windies coach so how is it possible he s in the mix at this stage.
 
Daren Sammy said while talking to media after a training session in Karachi:

"My focus right now is on Peshawar Zalmi and its coaching, I am not focused on anything including the coaching of the Pakistan team, I want to focus only on winning the title for Zalmi."

"Qualification for the playoffs in every PSL season is a testament to the players' performance. Players like Hasan Ali, Asghar Ali and Wahab Riaz have given a lot of services and contributed."

"Babar Azam is now leading the team and the players are performing well under his leadership. Mehran Mumtaz, Mohammad Haris and Saim Ayub are the future."

"Peshawar Zalmi is like a family to me and I have happy memories with this team."

"I want to see PSL matches being organised in Peshawar. I have been there many times and have many friends."
 
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Sammy can’t be your test team coach . So Watson seem a good option
 
Mike Hesson has more international experience than Sammy and Watson.

I think Hesson or Watson should be the choice.
 
Savak said:
Shane Watson in his meeting with the PCB Chairman mentioned that the fitness of the Pakistani players in general is one of the worst he has seen and he explained how in general he was far from impressed by the training, eating habits and the manner in which some of the players go about their net sessions. He was the one who advocated a brutal army training camp for the players.
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Call me pessimistic, after a 6 month stint, more likely to see Watto wearing a paunch, than this lot getting any fitter!
 
According to Wasim Akram, both Sammy and Watson have declined the roles
 
sweep_shot said:
Mike Hesson has more international experience than Sammy and Watson.

I think Hesson or Watson should be the choice.
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Why Watson, he has as much experience as PPer's in coaching, why don't ya'll put your name forward to
 
Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH said:
Its not the coaching that players need at this level its the tactical aspects during, after and before game situations that need refining.

We have lost countless matches at crucial times due to tactical errors and lack of awareness from winning positions.

The question is who is the best tactically out of Hesson, sammy and watson.

With regards to darren sammy khan im sure he is the windies coach so how is it possible he s in the mix at this stage.
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The captain needs to be tactically good , he is the one who has to take sudden decisions in match situations.
 
Between the three, Mike Hesson is the obvious choice but given PCB’a shambolic and nonsensical decision-making culture, I would expect PCB to go for name recognition rather than coaching experience and record of candidates.

Anyways, this is Pakistan cricket & regardless of who they select, the final result wouldn’t matter because the culture that governs Pakistan cricket is rotten and irredeemably bad.
 
Why is PCB so desperate to hire him that they are willing to offer that much money to Shane?

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Pakistan to pay highest-ever salary to Shane Watson for head coach role

Former Australian all-rounder, Shane Watson, who is in line to take over as Pakistan cricket team's head coach, is yet to make up his mind despite the PCB accepting his remuneration demands.

According to sources in the board, Watson has demanded $2 million annually, which is approximately around 46 million rupees per month, the highest fee ever paid to a foreign coach.

Former foreign coaches of Pakistan such as Richard Pybus, Bob Woolmer, Geoff Lawson, Dav Whatmore, Grant Bradburn and Mickey Arthur were paid much less than what Watson has demanded.

He has a young family in Australia and also has commitments in the USA Major League. So, he is weighing his options as the board wants him to spend maximum time in Pakistan helping them also discover and groom talent at domestic level, the source said.

He conceded Watson was taking time to ink the contract because of the frequent changes within the PCB and the coaching staff.

Watson, at present, is coaching the Quetta Gladiators in the Pakistan Super League (PSL) and has no prior experience of coaching an international team although he has dabbled in coaching roles in the Indian Premier League (IPL)
PCB Chairman Mohsin Naqvi had made it clear that he would want a foreign coaching set-up to run the team with the full backing of the board.

Naqvi, despite being appointed as minister of interior, has also indicated he has no intention of leaving his post in the board and will do both the jobs simultaneously.

However, it will not be the first time an official heading the PCB has also held a position in the government, and the source said the International Cricket Council (ICC) had no objection to Naqvi donning the dual role.

Naqvi has already got six bureaucrats of the Punjab government to work on deputation in the board and also announced that he would be taking no salary as minister of interior.

SOURCE: https://www.business-standard.com/cricket/news/pakistan-to-pay-highest-ever-salary-to-shane-watson-for-head-coach-role-124031400176_1.html
 
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BouncerGuy said:
Why is PCB so desperate to hire him that they are willing to offer that much money to Shane?

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Pakistan to pay highest-ever salary to Shane Watson for head coach role

Former Australian all-rounder, Shane Watson, who is in line to take over as Pakistan cricket team's head coach, is yet to make up his mind despite the PCB accepting his remuneration demands.

According to sources in the board, Watson has demanded $2 million annually, which is approximately around 46 million rupees per month, the highest fee ever paid to a foreign coach.

Former foreign coaches of Pakistan such as Richard Pybus, Bob Woolmer, Geoff Lawson, Dav Whatmore, Grant Bradburn and Mickey Arthur were paid much less than what Watson has demanded.

He has a young family in Australia and also has commitments in the USA Major League. So, he is weighing his options as the board wants him to spend maximum time in Pakistan helping them also discover and groom talent at domestic level, the source said.

He conceded Watson was taking time to ink the contract because of the frequent changes within the PCB and the coaching staff.

Watson, at present, is coaching the Quetta Gladiators in the Pakistan Super League (PSL) and has no prior experience of coaching an international team although he has dabbled in coaching roles in the Indian Premier League (IPL)
PCB Chairman Mohsin Naqvi had made it clear that he would want a foreign coaching set-up to run the team with the full backing of the board.

Naqvi, despite being appointed as minister of interior, has also indicated he has no intention of leaving his post in the board and will do both the jobs simultaneously.

However, it will not be the first time an official heading the PCB has also held a position in the government, and the source said the International Cricket Council (ICC) had no objection to Naqvi donning the dual role.

Naqvi has already got six bureaucrats of the Punjab government to work on deputation in the board and also announced that he would be taking no salary as minister of interior.

SOURCE: https://www.business-standard.com/cricket/news/pakistan-to-pay-highest-ever-salary-to-shane-watson-for-head-coach-role-124031400176_1.html
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$2mn to make no difference. He would no difference and within a year,he would leave. Spend the $2mn on improving domestic cricket, better pay for players, better pitches and better training facilities and they will have a much bigger impact on the national team.
 
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Bewal Express said:
$2mn to make no difference. He would no difference and within a year,he would leave. Spend the $2mn on improving domestic cricket, better pay for players, better pitches and better training facilities and they will have a much bigger impact on the national team.
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I agree.

Head coach position in cricket is overrated. They are pretty much motivational speakers.

Better to spend this money on specialist coaches and improving domestic cricket.
 
4.6 crore PKR is a hefty amount and it is beyond understanding that why would PCB be spending so much money for a head coach, is Shane Watson that good? Is he qualified enough? experienced? I guess not.
 
BouncerGuy said:
4.6 crore PKR is a hefty amount and it is beyond understanding that why would PCB be spending so much money for a head coach, is Shane Watson that good? Is he qualified enough? experienced? I guess not.
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They have no choice because no one will come unless they're offered this much because of the damage done by the sethi-ashraf fiasco.
 
Galla said:
They have no choice because no one will come unless they're offered this much because of the damage done by the sethi-ashraf fiasco.
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PCB should have found some experienced and qualified person then. Watson is still new to this role TBH. No sure if he would make any difference.
 
Utterly shameful to pay such hefty amounts for a head coach.

Will there ever be a time in Pakistan cricket or Pakistan in general when we don’t have anything disgusting to hear about.
 
$2mn for a coach? Add to that other coaches and trainers and their salary.

PCB will end up spending millions on coaches.

Even BCCI doesn't spend $2mn on a coach.

PCB should not spend more than 500k on head coach.

And give 400k to 4 of its top players like Shaheen etc so that they don't break their back in every league they get their hands on.
 
In case Shane is made the head coach or he accept the offer to be the head coach, will it make any difference? that is the real question. Paying a lot of money for a guy who just retired from cricket and has no experience or qualification, seems odd to me.
 
They can buy 3 foreign tier 2 coaches for 2 million dollars

One each for batting, bowling and fielding instead of wasting it on one guy.
 
The Mickey Arthur affair was disastrous for Pakistan.

Now you may disagree with the principles behind his original selection as coach.

But the fact that the PCB bent over backwards to accommodate him and yet a new chairman came and sacked him quickly will have been noticed by the cricket coaching fraternity. Grant Bradburn is well respected and was royally messed around too.

We just cannot treat people this way.

Now even the chairman who sacked Mickey is gone!

Who would want to be part of this circus?
 
Pakistan Cricket is an absolute joke. There is absolutely zero job security for a head-coach here and then you are expecting them to leave their family and come here where they can't even move around with a security cordon. If I were a competent foreign coach I would never take up a head-coach gig in Pakistan, Sri Lanka or Bangladesh unless I really needed the money. The amount of needless political interference in cricket that exists in these countries is absolutely insane. And then you have an absolutely ignorant cricket media that makes things worse by spreading lies and rumors.

Until we don't improve fundamental things like the structure of decision-making in the PCB that allows clows like Ramiz, Zaka Ashraf and countless others to assume positions of power we shouldn't be surprised that most foreign coaches would rather take up high-paying 2 month gigs in T20 leagues or sit and home and avoid their mental health from being destroyed.
 
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