Ricky Ponting vs Kumar Sangakkara vs Rahul Dravid vs Hashim Amla

[AlizeeFan]

Umm nope highest he got to as a wk/bat was just over the 50 mark for a two match stretch.

Link

Check the link posted by me

12 matches, 19 inning, 969 runs avg of 60 and 3 100s. How do you explain that?

 

[Buffet]

As for the AB example laughable at best.

In post 72, you are asking us to take grand total of 10 tests sample of Sanga and draw a conclusion. But at the same time laugh at 24 tests by AB as keeper batsman. Both are example of causation correlation fallacy and you didn't get that point.

 

[SL_Fan]

In post 72, you are asking us to take grand total of 10 tests sample of Sanga and draw a conclusion. But at the same time laugh at 24 tests by AB as keeper batsman. Both are example of causation correlation fallacy and you didn't get that point.

Again getting things mixed up are we. That was specifically about just the early years obviously so not sure how that relates in any way to AB as a wk/bat.

If you want to make a meaningful comparison there well here it is. You know the full picture something you quite clearly don’t know much about.

Early years vs top seven

Overall vs top seven - 135 innings enough for you?

 

[Buffet]

Again getting things mixed up are we. That was specifically about just the early years obviously so not sure how that relates in any way to AB as a wk/bat.

AB's example was not to compare, but to show a causation correlation fallacy. AB having certain record in 20-30 tests doesn't tell us much. Same way, what Sanga did in early years as pure batsman or keeper batsman doesn't tell us much. Only thing we have is his entire career and that's what everyone looks to compare players.

 

[SL_Fan]

So basically you have no explanation for that.

Explain what exactly. Something you have made up in your own mind after tinkering with the dates?

 

[AlizeeFan]

Explain what exactly. Something you have made up in your own mind after tinkering with the dates?

I have not made up anything in my mind yet. Once you post the explanation then I will draw conclusion fromt that.

 

[SL_Fan]

AB's example was not to compare, but to show a causation correlation fallacy. AB having certain record in 20-30 tests doesn't tell us much. Same way, what Sanga did in early years as pure batsman or keeper batsman doesn't tell us much. Only thing we have is his entire career and that's what everyone looks to compare players.

So as I said before going by that I guess that should make Sanga the greatest ever Test wk/bat right? Kept to Murali and co. Scored 7k runs more than Gilly, 21 more tons, and averaged 57 compared to Gilly's 47. After all keeping didn’t affect his batting.

 

[SL_Fan]

I have not made up anything in my mind yet. Once you post the explanation then I will draw conclusion fromt that.

Yeah sure. All his innings as a wk/bat. So where exactly is this 60 you are going on about?

 

[Buffet]

So as I said before going by that I guess that should make Sanga the greatest ever Test wk/bat right? Kept to Murali and co. Scored 7k runs more than Gilly, 21 more tons, and averaged 57 compared to Gilly's 47. After all keeping didn’t affect his batting.

Next , we should take IK's last 5 years batting average to compare him with batsmen of his generation because he didn't bowl much in that period. We should ignore his earlier batting stats because he had to bowl as well and that had impact on his batting performance.

 

[Protea Fan]

None of these guys shred the attack in Tests , Dravid as an impact player was above Ponting and Sanga . Some of Indias best overseas wins is cos of Dravid . He never played an anchors role in Tests .

How on earth?

I am not looked at any stats yet but seriously he didn't have any high impact on his own team let alone overall

I can memorize many impactful inngs from sehwag and laxman but not from dravid,nevertheless that's not going to sum up things that dravid didn't have any impact on the game,he's an exceptional test match player but not some one who really capable of changing the entire course of the game suddenly

 

[Buffet]

How on earth?

I am not looked at any stats yet but seriously he didn't have any high impact on his own team let alone overall

I can memorize many impactful inngs from sehwag and laxman but not from dravid,nevertheless that's not going to sum up things that dravid didn't have any impact on the game,he's an exceptional test match player but not some one who really capable of changing the entire course of the game suddenly

Most overseas Indian wins during his career had Dravid contributing big. I think that's what posters may have meant.

 

[Bilal7]

What?

Dravid was awful at batting aggresively.

Well here’s how Sanga fared in his first six years against the top seven. From there he of course gave up the gloves. Care to explain that one.

It’s not just some “excuse” there’s a reason why Test keepers are generally considered all-rounders. You don’t just turn up to the game, put the gloves on and become a keeper. It’s a heavy workload both on and off the field. For SC keepers it’s even tougher given that they have to keep to quality spinners in fairly difficult conditions a lot of the time.

So to somehow expect a 50+ average especially from a wk/bat batting in the top order is just nonsense (ie comparing specialist Test bat averages to wk/bats 1:1). Fyi apart from Sanga only four other long-standing keepers have averaged over 40 in Test cricket history and only two of them averaged 45+. Tbh I have no idea how Sanga managed to cope with having to keep to Murali and co and bat one down in his first six years without losing the plot completely. That too while juggling the same job in ODIs as well for the most part. One heck of an introduction to international cricket.

Explain what exactly. Something you have made up in your own mind after tinkering with the dates?

Once again, this is nothing but an excuse. If Sangakkara couldn't handle the job, he should have given it up. If we start doing this for every all-rounder/keeper/captain, these discussions will be even more tiresome than they are now.

Check the batting stats of almost any batsman and they will be mediocre during their first few years in international cricket.

As a test batsman, Sangakkara was below Ponting and Amla but ahead of Dravid. Not a bad position to be in and certainly doesn't warrant you making excuses for why he only scored a thousand runs against the minnows and not two thousand.

 

[Last Monetarist]

1. Ponting
2. Dravid
3. Sangakkara
4. Amla

 

[SL_Fan]

Dravid was awful at batting aggresively.





Once again, this is nothing but an excuse. If Sangakkara couldn't handle the job, he should have given it up. If we start doing this for every all-rounder/keeper/captain, these discussions will be even more tiresome than they are now.

Check the batting stats of almost any batsman and they will be mediocre during their first few years in international cricket.

As a test batsman, Sangakkara was below Ponting and Amla but ahead of Dravid. Not a bad position to be in and certainly doesn't warrant you making excuses for why he only scored a thousand runs against the minnows and not two thousand.

It’s not some lame excuse like the numerous ones you make for Amla time and time again. So you talking about making excuses is quite laughable mate. The whole point if you read my post properly is that comparing specialist Test bat averages to wk/bats 1:1 does not paint an accurate picture of things. Not at all saying that the first part of his career should be completely ignored of course not. As a wk/bat he actually did quite well compared to other wk/bats that too while batting in the top order. As I have pointed out including him only five long-standing Test keepers have averaged over 40 in Test cricket history. So not at all a bad group to be in. Anyways I’ll leave it at that wasting my time here clearly.

 

[SL_Fan]

Next , we should take IK's last 5 years batting average to compare him with batsmen of his generation because he didn't bowl much in that period. We should ignore his earlier batting stats because he had to bowl as well and that had impact on his batting performance.

Have no idea wth any of that has to do with this. Why don’t you stop trying to bring in things which have no relevance to the discussion and answer the question for once eh. Not that difficult of an ask is it.

So as I said before going by that I guess that should make Sanga the greatest ever Test wk/bat right? Kept to Murali and co. Scored 7k runs more than Gilly, 21 more tons, and averaged 57 compared to Gilly's 47. After all keeping didn’t affect his batting.

 

[Buffet]

Next , we should take IK's last 5 years batting average to compare him with batsmen of his generation because he didn't bowl much in that period. We should ignore his earlier batting stats because he had to bowl as well and that had impact on his batting performance.

Have no idea wth any of that has to do with this.

It's pretty obvious how they are related and not sure why it's hard to understand. Anyway, it's waste of time and let's agree to disagree.

 

[SL_Fan]

It's pretty obvious how they are related and not sure why it's hard to understand. Anyway, it's waste of time and let's agree to disagree.

Man up stop trying to dodge the actual question. Could have answered it last couple of times without blabbering on about nonsense. As they say you've made your bed now lie in it.

 

[Cric1234]

Sangakarra was a not a great batsman as a wicketkeeper that's a fact. Others have performed better in this regard whether it's because he batted near the top or kept to mystery spin or he just wasn't as good as a wk batsman.

 

[Bilal7]

It’s not some lame excuse like the numerous ones you make for Amla time and time again. So you talking about making excuses is quite laughable mate. The whole point if you read my post properly is that comparing specialist Test bat averages to wk/bats 1:1 does not paint an accurate picture of things. Not at all saying that the first part of his career should be completely ignored of course not. As a wk/bat he actually did quite well compared to other wk/bats that too while batting in the top order. As I have pointed out including him only five long-standing Test keepers have averaged over 40 in Test cricket history. So not at all a bad group to be in. Anyways I’ll leave it at that wasting my time here clearly.

So once again, is Imran Khan the best bowler of all time? Not only was he a top batsman for Pakistan for most of his career but he was also the captain and occasional selector as well.

Don't know why you're getting upset here. Sangakkara averages 57 with the bat and neither of us know what would have happened had he never kept wickets for his team.

 

[Hitman]

So once again, is Imran Khan the best bowler of all time? Not only was he a top batsman for Pakistan for most of his career but he was also the captain and occasional selector as well.

Don't know why you're getting upset here. Sangakkara averages 57 with the bat and neither of us know what would have happened had he never kept wickets for his team.

HaHa ... that's what happens when you make statements without following a player's career.

 

[JaDed]

Why is Amla even in the discussion,he is defn a Saffer ATG but someone below 50 avg shouldn't be among the discussion irrespective of situations.He is the batting version of Shaun Pollack.

On topic :
Pointing everywhere except India and except against Bhajji even in Aus.

 

[joly]

Amla in the same bracket

 

[thehub]

HaHa ... that's what happens when you make statements without following a player's career.

lol. good one.

 

[Bhaijaan]

If i had an ATG team i'd definitely pick Dravid as my #3 among the options in IP.

If i had a weak team i'd go with Ponting because i also want someone who can dominate the match on his good days.

But yeah when surrounded by dominant batsmen, Dravid is the ultimate and most ideal #3.

 

[QalandarFan]

Ponting is the easy pick for me.

 

[The Viper]

Ponting. But all of those batsman are very good. Amla is behind the other three though.

 

[SLcric123]

Tests:-

Ponting
Dravid
Sanga
Amla

Overall: -

Ponting
Sanga
Dravid
Amla

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

ponting
dravid
sanga



amla