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Rohit Sharma vs Umar Akmal

alexjohn_tcr said:
Rohit is the most talented bastman in India. Already greats like Sachin,Ganguly,Azharauddin have certified this.It is a different thing he is not able to make a mark like Kohli.
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Where has he shown this talent and at what level?
 
rahulrulezz said:
Rohit is just a gasbag... just because some bombay commentators said that Rohit has technique and class, all the wannabe couch potato fans starting jumping up and down claiming Rohit to have the best technique and talent.. BoolSSh!t...

UAkmal is 100 times better than R.Sharma...
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This.
 
Rohit is good but he is been given too much credit. The guy has played 100 ODI's in probably the best era for a batsman and still he averages under 32. It is a crime if you ask me. No other young player was tolerated for such a longtime in Indian cricket.

Players like Suresh Raina who are considered as players with poor technique average more playing in the lower middle order. I am surprised that people still think that this guy will turn this around. Just see the way he got out in the last two ODI's. He hasn't learned anything.
 
Mamoon_Ghaffar said:
Based on what?



Both toured WI in the space of few days.

Rohit - 5 matches, 217 runs at an average of 54.

Umar - 5 matches, 175 runs at an average of 58.

Since Rohit was opening, he had the opportunity to score more runs. But on balance of play, it is very fair to say that both had equally good tours.


Umar's last 15 matches before he was dropped = average of 43.

Umar' last 6 matches before he was dropped = average of 50.

How is that inconsistent? and why shouldn't we focus on overall averages? because it makes Rohit look bad and Umar look good?

Besides, no of hundreds are not the most important factor. It is your consistency of runs.

Hussey, one of the greatest ODI batsman of all time has only 3 hundreds compared to someone like Tharanga who has 13. So who is a better ODI batsman?



Please stop living under this delusion that Umar and Rohit are players of similar class and pedigree who have both followed similar career paths. Sorry to say but that is pure BS.

it took Rohit 100 matches to take his ODI average beyond 30. Tried and tested failures like Farhat and Malik average more than him.

Umar Akmal is in a completely different league to Rohit. No comparison between the two.

Talent is meaningless when you have nothing to show for it at the highest level. 1/2 good series cannot wash away the 6 years of garbage.

Comparing Rohit to Umar is as pathetic as comparing Umar to Kohli.

Kohli is on a different level to Umar and Umar is on a different level to Kohli.
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This shows how poor your cricketing knowledge is. Batting was difficult on those wickets when ball was new in first 20 overs. Now you are telling me Umar would have scored a lot if he batted top of the order.:facepalm: He came to the crease early in the first match, we all saw how he struggled and should have been out for 0.

trust me Umar is hyped up like anything. lol at him being in different level than Rohit. Ask him to open, he would have been fishing whole series. He simply dont have technics to play new ball /swinging ball. Rohit clearly showed in that series how good he is against moving ball and such.


Umar's last 15 matches before he was dropped = average of 43.

Umar' last 6 matches before he was dropped = average of 50.


The stats above are boosted by matches against zimbabwe, bangaladesh, etc., He was very inconsistent for several games before he was dropped. One of the reasons he was dropped from test as well. dont give me conspricy theory that Misbah did not like,etc., even selectors like Mohsin khan mentioned that Umar needs to work on his game in domestic games before he dropped Umar. If he was really good, he would have been selected, no captain would like to lose their best batsman (if he really is), especially the team like Pakistan which is struggling to put good scores on the board.
 
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Mamoon_Ghaffar said:
Based on what?



Both toured WI in the space of few days.

Rohit - 5 matches, 217 runs at an average of 54.

Umar - 5 matches, 175 runs at an average of 58.

Since Rohit was opening, he had the opportunity to score more runs. But on balance of play, it is very fair to say that both had equally good tours.



Umar's last 15 matches before he was dropped = average of 43.

Umar' last 6 matches before he was dropped = average of 50.

How is that inconsistent? and why shouldn't we focus on overall averages? because it makes Rohit look bad and Umar look good?

Besides, no of hundreds are not the most important factor. It is your consistency of runs.

Hussey, one of the greatest ODI batsman of all time has only 3 hundreds compared to someone like Tharanga who has 13. So who is a better ODI batsman?



Please stop living under this delusion that Umar and Rohit are players of similar class and pedigree who have both followed similar career paths. Sorry to say but that is pure BS.

it took Rohit 100 matches to take his ODI average beyond 30. Tried and tested failures like Farhat and Malik average more than him.

Umar Akmal is in a completely different league to Rohit. No comparison between the two.

Talent is meaningless when you have nothing to show for it at the highest level. 1/2 good series cannot wash away the 6 years of garbage.

Comparing Rohit to Umar is as pathetic as comparing Umar to Kohli.

Kohli is on a different level to Umar and Umar is on a different level to Kohli.
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how can you compare averages of late order batsman with an opener.

Opener has to face to new ball from both ends and is bound to have some failures.

just because Dhoni is averaging more than Kohli or Sachin, he does not become a better batsman than both of them.

When they batted in same position Rohit averages more than Umar everywhere except batting no 6.

So just to say Umar is better than Rohit based on averages is ridiculous. It is not like Umar has scored more hundreds or displayed any special skills which Rohit has not shown.

The point is Rohit is more adaptable and shown that he can play in any role which Umar has never show he can do, if Rohit unlocks his potential his ceiling will be higher as he is proper top order batsmen which Umar is not.
 
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This is just non sense and plain stupidity.

Rohit has scores of 20,1 and 14 versus Zimbabwe . How it tells you about his adaptability and class? Besides Umar has only played few times at 3 or 4 so you really can't have a fair comparison.

There is a difference of 10 between their averages and strike rates as well.

Number 6 batting spot in ODIs is the most challenging because you are always under pressure as you are either batting after a collapse or need to strike from the word go. So to me he is more adaptable

The posting quality here is really deteriorating because of some posters like you.
 
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with knowing the context and pitch, just saying he failed is plain stupidity, as opener in those conditions you are bound to be fail, I bet Umar akmal would not lost even more than over.

they batted each 25 times at no5 Rohit averages more than Akmal with same strike rate, rohit has batted all over the place hence lower avg and strike rate.

Akmal batted mainly no 5 and no 6 where he has no new ball to negotiate and it is not like Akmal is some mastered the role of a finisher, he is still the same guy who can lose his wicket any stage.

Rohit is proper batsman who can play any role unlike Akmal who is just a late order batsman.
 
Avg 40 with SR of 85, these are great numbers for a 23 year old. Umar Akmal is miles better than Rohit Tailunted Sharma.
 
Rohit behind UA....now that goes to show how pathetic Rohit has been that he is behind UA...... rohit's main problem is his attitude.....he looks like taking his place for granted and has looked so for 6 years now...UA is better
 
Not to mention that Sharma also bats at a pathetic Strike rate. I dont think anyone else in the Indian team does more Tuk Tuk than him.
 
I don't mind the tuk tuks. But if he can manage only this average after so much tuk tuk (by Indian standards) he does not just belong to the Indian team.
 
Lol this thread is doing wonders for Talunted Rohit's career. A ton now. A flat pitch but atleast the dude made it count while chasing a humongous total.
 
how can you compare, one has the uttermost backing of his captain despite crap performaces for most of his career while the other has pretty much no backing despite being among the best if not the best best for his country.


Rohit is more talented but i still maintain Akmal is the better bat. How about he gets some innings consectively in the top 4 for a change.
 
Rohit has overtaken PP's golden boy Umar Akmal now.

Meanwhile, Kohli has lapped Umar for the 10th time today :kohli
 
Jaggu said:
Rohit has overtaken PP's golden boy Umar Akmal now.

Meanwhile, Kohli has lapped Umar for the 10th time today :kohli
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yes average 34 despite playing in an awsome battling line up and being backed 100% is better than average 39 in a crap team with little to zero support from managament


no arguments on Kohli though, for me he is already an ODI great
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
how can you compare, one has the uttermost backing of his captain despite crap performaces for most of his career while the other has pretty much no backing despite being among the best if not the best best for his country.


Rohit is more talented but i still maintain Akmal is the better bat. How about he gets some innings consectively in the top 4 for a change.
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Stop crying. Akmal can only dream about scoring century opening the innings. We have seen Akmal throwing away after scoring decent 20s or 30s just like Rohit in the past. You talk as if Akmal has been consistently scoring and Rohit was horrible.

Anyway as expected since this thread was started, Rohit has been scoring runs consistently and his average is close to 50 whcih is great.
 
Rohit is too much class, some of the drives today were so effortless.
 
difference between Dhoni and Misbah..Dhoni didn't drop him despite so many failures instead promoted him up the order. Umar on the other side is treated like a no body despite such a good record at no. 6
 
No way has Rohit overtaken Akmal but great knock anyways.

Supported Rohit even when he was in worst form of his life as I knew he could do this.
 
I am not comparing talents etc here but there is a huge difference in how batsmen are nurtured in India and Pakistan. Reverse is true when it comes to fast bowling.

Akmal may not be better but he is surely one of the best batsman from Pakistan. I am puzzled by him being in and out all the time.
 
MRSN said:
difference between Dhoni and Misbah..Dhoni didn't drop him despite so many failures instead promoted him up the order. Umar on the other side is treated like a no body despite such a good record at no. 6
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This is true.

Akmal should be made to open or bat at 3. Right now the management is just messing him up.
 
By the look of things, Pakistan are molding Akmal into a finisher, as has been the case with their best batsmen always (Inzamam); India's best batsman plays as opener and Rohit has been assigned that role..
 
I rate Rohit highly specially after WI series where he scored on very tricky pitches. On topic let them play some tests before comparison.
 
Few more good knocks from Rohit to leapfrog over Akmal then, I will open Akmal v/s Murli Vijay thread.
 
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BTW I think Akmal > Rohit but after this thread, Talunted Rohit is averaging 50+ in ODIs and now he plays such a knock. What's with these Akmal comparison threads? :kapil
 
Buffet said:
I am not comparing talents etc here but there is a huge difference in how batsmen are nurtured in India and Pakistan. Reverse is true when it comes to fast bowling.

Akmal may not be better but he is surely one of the best batsman from Pakistan. I am puzzled by him being in and out all the time.
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Pakistan currently don't even nurture there fast bowlers as well.

They are lucky enough to get so many talented bowlers coming from no where.

Pakistan board and there domestic circuit is not good enough to nurture the young talents right now.... They are just enjoying the legacy of there Fast bowling culture.
 
Rohit Sharma has pretty low SR (less than 75). He needs to improve on that and put big scores consistently.
 
mastermind_quad said:
Pakistan currently don't even nurture there fast bowlers as well.

They are lucky enough to get so many talented bowlers coming from no where.

Pakistan board and there domestic circuit is not good enough to nurture the young talents right now.... They are just enjoying the legacy of there Fast bowling culture.
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M Akram is a fantastic bowling coach and he nurtures our bowlers very well.

How can you say that when you are no where near the set up?
 
amax said:
I rate Rohit highly specially after WI series where he scored on very tricky pitches. On topic let them play some tests before comparison.
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Umar Akmal very recently batted on very tricky pitches in West Indies with additional wicket keeping responsibilities and averaged around 50 with an excellent strike rate.

I hear Umar will be married soon, it is his number now to tie the knot, so I expect him to be behave like a man in future, Lets keep our fingers crossed :-)
 
Sharma has been criticized unfairly for way too long. First of all, its not that he went around saying he is very talented, its the commentators who build that hype starting from Ian Chapell who after Sharma played a couple of cut shots in 2008 against Aus in Aus started shouting "India has a replacement ready for Sachin Tendulkar".

Secondly, he may not have lived up to his potential, but he was still performing well at international level. He was averaging 32-33 before this game, he had won few matches for India, and except for an exceptionally bad 2012 when he scored some 10-12 runs in 5 matches against SL, he had a decent career.
 
giri26 said:
Rohit is good but he is been given too much credit. The guy has played 100 ODI's in probably the best era for a batsman and still he averages under 32. It is a crime if you ask me. No other young player was tolerated for such a longtime in Indian cricket.

Players like Suresh Raina who are considered as players with poor technique average more playing in the lower middle order. I am surprised that people still think that this guy will turn this around. Just see the way he got out in the last two ODI's. He hasn't learned anything.
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One of the reason India excel in batting they invest in right kind of players... Investment in Rohit is better for future and is already paying off... Rohit has far superior technique than Raina or Yuvi... He is going to be specially helpful to India in foreign conditions, because he is one of the very few indians who can play short ball, that skill is must to excel in foreign conditions... He should be regular in test, now SRK retires, it will make Rohit a regular and better player... To me he is better player of fast bowling than Kholi, that can pay off specially in test.

Pakistan on the other hand does not invest in right kind of players... In test cricket drivability of batsman is a key, specially on the offside (mid-off to point region) without drive you cannot score in test... Pakistan should have being focusing on that rather than Hafeez, Fahrat, Malik, Razaq, Afridi etc - Even Mishab's drive is poor, that is one of the reason he blocks a lot (he does not have confidence in his drive, probably because of poor foot work)... Drive also improve your defense...

I am pleasantly surprised at the drives of Khurram, but we have to see that in seaming conditions...No opener from west drivers, since it is hard to do that when ball is seaming and swinging on a green wicket... Can khurram do that in west?? - that is going to be a very hard adjustment... In those conditions he may be better off at one down... But we will see...
 
until Umar Akmal grows a pair to face music at top of the order and have some sort of success , he will remain a slogger at best.

To face music with new ball is totally different kettle of fish.
 
The day Rohit shrugs off his laziness and becomes more fluent stroke maker.. He ll indeed be a force to reckon with. He has the shots (the pull shot in Asia cup for six, the cut over sq for a boundary in Aus), and the technique to boot.

It's his 'extra lazy' elegance which really puts him into a shell.
 
I have seen some of the Pak fans here calling him Hack and all those names just because he had rough first 3 yrs of international cricket. Funny thing is, same guys calling Umar Akmal one of the top players in the world /UAkmal a far better batsman than Rohit/ etc.,. :)) BD and Mamoon are some of those guys who mentioned in other threads.

I am sticking with what I mentioned then, Rohit is the best young talent in the world cricket currently. He can play on any kinda surface. he has the technic. Umar Akmal is a big slogger if you compare him with Rohit. UAkmal has very limited strokes and most of them on the on side. UAkmal can only dream about playing like Rohit at the top of the order. I have seen UAkmal playing the new ball. He was horrible. PCB rightly have him at no 6. He is good against old ball against tired bowlers.
 
idly sambar said:
I have seen some of the Pak fans here calling him Hack and all those names just because he had rough first 3 yrs of international cricket. Funny thing is, same guys calling Umar Akmal one of the top players in the world /UAkmal a far better batsman than Rohit/ etc.,. :)) BD and Mamoon are some of those guys who mentioned in other threads.

I am sticking with what I mentioned then, Rohit is the best young talent in the world cricket currently. He can play on any kinda surface. he has the technic. Umar Akmal is a big slogger if you compare him with Rohit. UAkmal has very limited strokes and most of them on the on side. UAkmal can only dream about playing like Rohit at the top of the order. I have seen UAkmal playing the new ball. He was horrible. PCB rightly have him at no 6. He is good against old ball against tired bowlers.
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hahahahahah

Umar Akmal has limited strokes?

I read that and now I know how much knowledge u have.
 
I called this earlier, Rohit has been getting backed by Dhoni and the selectors and now he is starting to deliver on his promise.

I always knew he was special the moment I saw him play in the WC in 2007.
 
Rohit looks ready for a test debut now. Hopefully will be the number 6 in Sachin's farewell series.

Today's knocks could be the turning point of his career. Would have learnt the value of not throwing away good starts of 30s and 40s .

As for comparisons with UA, why not let the two young players play for a bit longer before any comparisons?
 
Bullet Drive said:
hahahahahah

Umar Akmal has limited strokes?

I read that and now I know how much knowledge u have.
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Comparatively. Yes he is more talented than any of the pak youngsters. but when you compare him with players like Rohit, Kohli,etc., UAkmal has limited strokes, especially on the offside.. thats why many non pakistani cricket fans call him slogger or cowlasher.
 
Kiwi said:
I called this earlier, Rohit has been getting backed by Dhoni and the selectors and now he is starting to deliver on his promise.

I always knew he was special the moment I saw him play in the WC in 2007.
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Dhoni did not just pick a guy from the road and backed him. Rohit got those chances because of his talent. He is arguably more talented than Kohli. Hence he got the backing from his captain.
 
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Umar strikes again! Rohit's average has soared from 29 to 36 after this thread. Realizing his potential, purple patch or some Abracadabra from Akmal? :murali
 
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Shows what confidence shown in you can do we call for heads after a few matches
 
Rohit has turned it around with this series and secured his spot at the top for a while,

Where as Akmal is languishing at the bottom still wondering if he will be playing in the next match,


When will U,Akmal open or given the 1 down spot?
 
Dead wicket and a pathetic bowling lineup, won't read too much into this innings of his or any innings played in this series for that matter.
 
Statistics375 said:
Dead wicket and a pathetic bowling lineup, won't read too much into this innings of his or any innings played in this series for that matter.
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Maybe. But still Rohit took his time and built his innings even when he was going slow and getting beaten. His strike rate was 70 till he scored 50. Pretty sure by that stage, Umar Akmal would have thrown his wicket away
 
Mamoon_ said:
Rohit Sharma is a million times better now.
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a fewweeks back you were calling Rohit a failure atleast stick to your guns once in a while all it takes couple of knocks on flat pattas to change your views and no I am always a Rohit fan so for me these are not fluke knocks but for someone whi calls a player rubbish should not be changin his views based on flat track bullying.
 
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Rohit has been amazing ever since he has been asked to open. Seems like the right batting position for him.
 
Well lets see how much Pakistan score on the same wickets. I will be surprised if they score more than 300 and no Pakistani batsman can touch 200 even in a billion years.
 
Better late than never for this thread.
 
Rohit has indeed been a failure for the most part of his career. He averaged around 20's on the same dead wickets. But incredible decision to make him open and that has transformed his career.

He really is a new player now.
 
Umar is done - he will never learn and develop with Pakistan, Rohit has surpassed him.
 
Mamoon_ said:
Well lets see how much Pakistan score on the same wickets. I will be surprised if they score more than 300 and no Pakistani batsman can touch 200 even in a billion years.
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I am 100% sure Afridi can score a Ton against this Indian/Australian attack considering the size of the ground, the dead pitch and the lightning fast outfield.
 
Pakistan made 209 yesterday and even defended it, Rohit made 209 today :)))
 
Indiafan said:
Maybe. But still Rohit took his time and built his innings even when he was going slow and getting beaten. His strike rate was 70 till he scored 50. Pretty sure by that stage, Umar Akmal would have thrown his wicket away
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He would have, but i am just talking about Rohit Sharma and this innings.
 
Varun said:
Better late than never for this thread.
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Don't want to jinx it but Rohit is the next Sachin - in both formats better than Kohli as well imo, just needed to get his head sorted out.
 
Please don't insult Rohit by comparing him to a hack who is only good at dancing at the weddings.
 
Statistics375 said:
I am 100% sure Afridi can score a Ton against this Indian/Australian attack considering the size of the ground, the dead pitch and the lightning fast outfield.
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Can he score a double? give credit where its due please.
 
Statistics375 said:
He would have, but i am just talking about Rohit Sharma and this innings.
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He wouldn't because he doesn't have the temperament to see off good balls and build an innings. Two dot balls and he would have thrown his wicket away while Rohit was playing maidens after maidens
 
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