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Shoaib Malik Support & Performance Watch

Should Malik be in the plans for the 2019 WC?

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Black Zero said:
no,

but slashing hard wont help either (as you recommended)
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Hence, drop it and run.

Let me break it down for you, as you seem to be covering your eyes and shaking your head rather than watching the game.

If he didn't pick the slower ball, then why play such a soft shot?

If he picked it late, why go through with the shot? Why not drop and run?
 
miandadrules said:
Why are you talking about ODIs?

I said there are better options for T20.
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There aren't. Malik is still the best T20 player, and the same player who just won you 1st T20 against India not a long ago. He is not needed to stabilize today, so he decided to play risky shots. Let's move on, shall we? You guys are desperate to go after Malik whereas you guys should pick on Test players who have failed and surrendered a whitewashed series in favor of South Africa. In T20, it's more luck game. Hit if you survive, and miss means you get out. You have no choice to tuk or leave the ball.

Don't listen to that guy who brag about soft dismissal i don't know, and yet, at the same time, he is a embarrassing himself not knowing the T20 format proper. Wait and Watch how every African batsmen will be choked to death because they will get out to forced hitting.
 
miandadrules said:
Hence, drop it and run.

Let me break it down for you, as you seem to be covering your eyes and shaking your head rather than watching the game.

If he didn't pick the slower ball, then why play such a soft shot?

If he picked it late, why go through with the shot? Why not drop and run?
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That's how he scored 50 in the 1st T20. Today, he got out by the same shot. Not a long ago, he scored the same way. You can't pick and choose.

some African Players got out to slashing hard today. He played that shot a lot in the past which helped him to score like 39 and 50. I want him to continue that shot. There are risks involved, but that's part of T20 game where you have to play risky shot if you want to score runs.

Right now, some player trying to reverse sweep instead of hitting, and reverse sweep is also risky shto but so is hitting hard which could get you bowled by mis-timing.

Right now, that's how Devillier got out. By trying to play hard shot, due to mis-timed, he got bowled. There are risks in every shots, but Malik is playing that shot which helped him to score 50 in the past. That's nothing wrong with that.

Then again, T20 is not a way to judge player's skill. Test format, for starter, is the best way to judge players's skills, and how they fared is quite understandable.
 
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miandadrules said:
Hence, drop it and run.

Let me break it down for you, as you seem to be covering your eyes and shaking your head rather than watching the game.

If he didn't pick the slower ball, then why play such a soft shot?

If he picked it late, why go through with the shot? Why not drop and run?
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Gotcha....

I was wasting my time ...

You have no clue what you talking about...
 
MalikMohsin said:
There aren't. Malik is still the best T20 player, and the same player who just won you 1st T20 against India not a long ago. He is not needed to stabilize today, so he decided to play risky shots. Let's move on, shall we? You guys are desperate to go after Malik whereas you guys should pick on Test players who have failed and surrendered a whitewashed series in favor of South Africa. In T20, it's more luck game. Hit if you survive, and miss means you get out. You have no choice to tuk or leave the ball.

Don't listen to that guy who brag about soft dismissal i don't know, and yet, at the same time, he is a embarrassing himself not knowing the T20 format proper. Wait and Watch how every African batsmen will be choked to death because they will get out to forced hitting.
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Firstly, the RSA are chasing, hence it's imperative that they score at a specific rate. Malik didn't have that. But you already knew this as you keep going on about knowing the T20 format.

Secondly, you keep mentioning the India game. If you can praise as a single performance, can't you critise the very next performance?

Abdul Razzack is far more versatile.

If you read my earlier post I said the only role I can see for Malik in T20 is rebuilding. Is that enough, especially as his bowling is fodder? I don't think so.
 
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Umar Gul is a legend in T20, but a mediocre in Test format for a reason. If you don't understand that, then you will never understand T20 and T20 cricketers at all.
 
miandadrules said:
Firstly, the RSA are chasing, hence it's imperative that they score at a specific rate. Malik didn't have that. But you already knew this as you keep going on about knowing the T20 format.

Secondly, you keep mentioning the India game. If you can praise as a single performance, can't you critise the very next performance?

Abdul Razzack is far more versatile.

If you read my earlier post I said the only role I can see for Malik in T20 is rebuilding. Is that enough, especially as his bowling is fodder. I don't think so.
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Malik and Kamran were in position to hit in the death overs.

South African batsmen are in similar position except in death, they are in under pressure to chase the huge target, and they will be forced to hit which may fashion some immature shots as well.

Abdul Razzaq did play in WC 2011, WC T20 2010 and also, in the past. He failed, and that's why he was dropped. Malik was recalled because he performed, and also, in 1st T20, he scored 50 runs.

Right now, you are embarrassing yourself.
 
Black Zero said:
Gotcha....

I was wasting my time ...

You have no clue what you talking about...
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Of course I don't. I never claim to. I'm just a fan.

If I did I'd say Malik was the 2nd greatest ODI player Pakistan has ever produced.
 
MalikMohsin said:
Malik and Kamran were in position to hit in the death overs.

South African batsmen are in similar position except in death, they are in under pressure to chase the huge target, and they will be forced to hit which may fashion some immature shots as well.

Abdul Razzaq did play in WC 2011, WC T20 2010 and also, in the past. He failed, and that's why he was dropped. Malik was recalled because he performed, and also, in 1st T20, he scored 50 runs.

Right now, you are embarrassing yourself.
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I'm sorry but chasing a huge target is much harder than setting one.

Again with that one performance.
 
miandadrules said:
Of course I don't. I never claim to. I'm just a fan.

If I did I'd say Malik was the 2nd greatest ODI player Pakistan has ever produced.
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You forgot.....
...Malik is better ODI captain than Imran.
...Malik is better opening batsman than Hanif.
...Malik is the best fielder ever produced by Pakistan.
...Caught behinds also include catches in the slip and gully.
...scorecards keep track of catches ...as to where the catches are held in the field.

.... and a few more that I forgot!
 
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miandadrules said:
I'm sorry but chasing a huge target is much harder than setting one.

Again with that one performance.
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Whether you are chasing a huge target or you are batting in death overs, you will have to take risks and play risky shots as per their own ways. You will be forced to hit either way.

That's what you are struggling to understand. T20 especially in death overs is not the way to judge the cricketer's skill at all.
 
MalikMohsin said:
Whether you are chasing a huge target or you are batting in death overs, you will have to take risks and play risky shots as per their own ways. You will be forced to hit either way.

That's what you are struggling to understand. T20 especially in death overs is not the way to judge the cricketer's skill at all.
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Your right I'm ignorant.

How can I use a T20 player's performance in a T20 game to assess his ability and suitability for the T20 format, especially when he is batting at the death?

When your setting a target you have greater freedom and less pressure, a loss of a wicket isn't as detrimental.
 
MalikMohsin said:
Malik and Kamran were in position to hit in the death overs.

South African batsmen are in similar position except in death, they are in under pressure to chase the huge target, and they will be forced to hit which may fashion some immature shots as well.

Abdul Razzaq did play in WC 2011, WC T20 2010 and also, in the past. He failed, and that's why he was dropped. Malik was recalled because he performed, and also, in 1st T20, he scored 50 runs.

Right now, you are embarrassing yourself.
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So other poster's shouldn't use the performance in one format to judge a player's ability in another but you can.

The batting position is the lower-middle order slot and part-time bowler slot in the T20 line-up.

Razzaq is the superior bowler and far more explosive a batsman. Malik is better at rebuilding an innings but that in such a short format, Razzaq wouldn't be useless at rebuilding either.
 
miandadrules said:
Your right I'm ignorant.

How can I use a T20 player's performance in a T20 game to assess his ability and suitability for the T20 format, especially when he is batting at the death?

When your setting a target you have greater freedom and less pressure, a loss of a wicket isn't as detrimental.
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I didn't say you are ignorant. You are struggling to understand T20.

Even Razzaq has performed once out of 100 matches especially in death overs. It's not easy hit in every matches when it comes to death over. It's not rocket science.

Whether in death overs, or chasing the huge target, you will be forced to hit. Sometimes, it works well, and sometimes, it doesn't. Despite of that, Malik is still a best T20 player, and by a mile [in comparable to Razzaq].
 
miandadrules said:
So other poster's shouldn't use the performance in one format to judge a player's ability in another but you can.

The batting position is the lower-middle order slot and part-time bowler slot in the T20 line-up.

Razzaq is the superior bowler and far more explosive a batsman. Malik is better at rebuilding an innings but that in such a short format, Razzaq wouldn't be useless at rebuilding either.
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His bowling was liability. His batting was liability. His fielding was liability. He wasn't consistent batsman. He always struggled to chase in under pressure. Razzaq is overrated big time. He was given enough chances, and he has failed. That's why he is not longer in the team. It's fair. Time to move on.
 
MalikMohsin said:
I didn't say you are ignorant. You are struggling to understand T20.

Even Razzaq has performed once out of 100 matches especially in death overs. It's not easy hit in every matches when it comes to death over. It's not rocket science.

Whether in death overs, or chasing the huge target, you will be forced to hit. Sometimes, it works well, and sometimes, it doesn't. Despite of that, Malik is still a best T20 player, and by a mile [in comparable to Razzaq].
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When did I say he has to perform in every match?

The question is about suitability for the number 6/7 batting position and part time bowler?

How many overs do you think a number 6/7 will normally have to bat?

Is Malik a viable bowling option?

Are you seriously saying that it is easy to hit at the death when chasing as it is when setting? The consequences are greater, hence the batsman has more restraints because they don't have the luxury of having an innings of bowling to readdress the imbalance.

The bottom line is that any criticism of Malik is being perceived as hatred. In all honesty, look at what Malik has achieved internationally and compare it to any other cricketer who has played consistently for 13 years.
 
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Malik better than Razzaq ..... by a mile! :))

Blindness + ignorance!!!!

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MalikMohsin said:
His bowling was liability. His batting was liability. His fielding was liability. He wasn't consistent batsman. He always struggled to chase in under pressure. Razzaq is overrated big time. He was given enough chances, and he has failed. That's why he is not longer in the team. It's fair. Time to move on.
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Apply the same criteria to Malik.

Bowling is a no go. Razzaq would be a an optional bowler, unlike before when he had to bowl is full quota.

Malik is better at chasing but nothing remarkable and in the last few years he bottles up and looks frustrated.

Agreed he is better fielder but Razzaq is a better death batsman when setting a total.

Why does Razzaq struggle when chasing? I thought its the same?

If given the choice between a has-been and a never-was, I'll take the has-been.
 
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miandadrules said:
When did I say he has to perform in every match?

The question is about suitability for the number 6/7 batting position and part time bowler?

How many overs do you think a number 6/7 will normally have to bat?

Is Malik a viable bowling option?

Are you seriously saying that it is easy to hit at the death when chasing as it is when setting? The consequences are greater, hence the batsman has more restraints because they don't have the luxury of having an innings of bowling to readdress the imbalance.

The bottom line is that any criticism of Malik is being perceived as hatred. In all honesty, look at what Malik has achieved internationally and compare it to any other cricketer who has played consistently for 13 years.
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It seems to me that you are still struggling to understand my point, and perhaps, the T20 format.

Whether in death or chasing huge target, the job remains the same. You have to hit. That's bottom line.

Pakistan is playing three fast bowlers, two specialist spinners. That's enough. Malik can be handy when the team is under pressure. Today was not the case. Bear in mind, His fielding can be useful. He can bowl when needed. If you are playing three fast bowlers and two specialist spinners along with Hafeez, then you don't need extra bowler. Having under pressure batsman who is brilliant fielder, Masha'Allaah!, is enough for the team.

Malik averages more than 50 in South Africa, Sri Lanka, India, and done very well in VB Series 2005, Champion Trophy [several times - but failed to win semi final/final]. He has done a lot more despite of his limited technique in comparable to world class players. He is also one of the best batsman in under pressure situation, and does well very in chasing department considering the history of Pakistan.

It's important if we concentrate on players in Test squad than T20 squad that it seems to be doing very well. Time to kick out some players from Test squad in order to prevent another whitewash in the future, Insha'Allaah!

I can't be more helpful than that.
 
miandadrules said:
Apply the same criteria to Malik.

Bowling is a no go. Razzaq would be a an optional bowler, unlike before when he had to bowl is full quota.

Malik is better at chasing but nothing remarkable and in the last few years he bottles up and looks frustrated.

Agreed he is better fielder but Razzaq is a better death batsman when setting a total.

Why does Razzaq struggle when chasing? I thought its the same?

If given the choice between a has-been and a never-was, I'll take the has-been.
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He has just came back after the disaster year he has had. He just showed that he can be dependable in under pressure especially in the recent T20 and ODI series in India.

Razzaq, on the other hand, has failed to live up with the expectation. Razzaq was playing during that time Malik was dropped [fairly]. Right now, Malik is selected on performance basis, and doing very well. In contrast to Razzaq's performance, was dropped on performance basis. Time to move on.
 
MalikMohsin said:
It seems to me that you are still struggling to understand my point, and perhaps, the T20 format.

Whether in death or chasing huge target, the job remains the same. You have to hit. That's bottom line.

Pakistan is playing three fast bowlers, two specialist spinners. That's enough. Malik can be handy when the team is under pressure. Today was not the case. Bear in mind, His fielding can be useful. He can bowl when needed. If you are playing three fast bowlers and two specialist spinners along with Hafeez, then you don't need extra bowler. Having under pressure batsman who is brilliant fielder, Masha'Allaah!, is enough for the team.

Malik averages more than 50 in South Africa, Sri Lanka, India, and done very well in VB Series 2005, Champion Trophy [several times - but failed to win semi final/final]. He has done a lot more despite of his limited technique in comparable to world class players. He is also one of the best batsman in under pressure situation, and does well very in chasing department considering the history of Pakistan.

It's important if we concentrate on players in Test squad than T20 squad that it seems to be doing very well. Time to kick out some players from Test squad in order to prevent another whitewash in the future, Insha'Allaah!

I can't be more helpful than that.
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So we should look at performances form eight years ago in ODI to justify his T20 place?

Can you please let me know which world class players Malik has out-performed.

You keep alluding to the fact that your the bible of T20 cricket. I haven't seen anything in your posts to even hint at that.

The saying empty vessel makes the greatest noise comes to mind.

I don't want to stoop to your level but I must say your posts reek of condescension.
 
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miandadrules said:
Can you please let me know which world class players Malik has out-performed.
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Are you saying these ODI tailenders are not world class.... ??? OMG....I think, you ARE ignorant!!!!!!

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I find it quite silly how people can get so worked up over a batsman getting caught somewhere with a few overs to go. It happens all the time - with every middle to later order batsman in the world. In a quest for quick runs, batsmen naturally go for their shots. Sometimes it comes off, sometimes it doesn't. Is it really that important?
 
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Easa said:
I find it quite silly how people can get so worked up over a batsman getting caught somewhere with a few overs to go. It happens all the time - with every middle to later order batsman in the world. In a quest for quick runs, batsmen naturally go for their shots. Sometimes it comes off, sometimes it doesn't. Is it really that important?
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Sometimes it's deliberately done to destroy a career...

Razzler
 
SS...... do you know, how a post can be framed and hung up in the living room?

He is a perfect candidate for Malik-Lovers to do it;


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good match for malik, afridi, kami and rehman...

2 Wickets (best bowler from Pakistani side)
1 Catch
 
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Black Zero said:
good match for malik, afridi, kami and rehman...

2 Wickets (best bowler from Pakistani side)
1 Catch
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Its a shame Malik is only the 7th bowler in the pak line up and effectively plays as a batsman.
 
MR__KHAN__JI said:
Its a shame Malik is only the 7th bowler in the pak line up and effectively plays as a batsman.
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Hopefully you are not asking him to bowl more? What I am asking for him neither bowl nor bat, which would really be ideal for Pakistan.
 
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BakuGM said:
Hopefully you are not asking him to bowl more? What I am asking for him is neither bowl nor bat, which would really be ideal for Pakistan.
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There is a reason he is 7th choice bowler.... :)
 
MR__KHAN__JI said:
Its a shame Malik is only the 7th bowler in the pak line up and effectively plays as a batsman.
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Are you asking him to bowl more? As far as I am (I believe I speak for at least 95% people on PP) concerned I would like him neither bowl or bat which would be ideal for Pakistan.
 
MR__KHAN__JI said:
Its a shame Malik is only the 7th bowler in the pak line up and effectively plays as a batsman.
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nasir, yk, misbah and umer = > "effectively play as batsman"
so you should ask these players to score and win matches...

these players (except umer) got permanent batting slots allotted...

anyway, malik bowled 8 overs and he was better than junaid, wahab, afridi and gul.
 
As the grapevine has it, Malik is in contention for the job of Captaincy after Misbah's removal as kaptaan.

Chanda babu, aye captain:dav
 
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Black Zero said:
nasir, yk, misbah and umer = > "effectively play as batsman"
so you should ask these players to score and win matches...

these players (except umer) got permanent batting slots allotted...

anyway, malik bowled 8 overs and he was better than junaid, wahab, afridi and gul.
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Malik is also in as batter (when he plays). He rarely bowls - 7th choice.

Malik should stick to T20, like I told u in my first post in this thread.
 
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If pcb pick Hafeez as captain after misbah is booted out for test and ODi pak will be moving back 10 steps.
 
speed said:
If pcb pick Hafeez as captain after misbah is booted out for test and ODi pak will be moving back 10 steps.
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MR__KHAN__JI said:
True.
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So how many will be ... in what direction ... if PCB picks Malik as captain?

Misbah is test captain .. and if Malik replaces him in test then keep in mind, Malik has not played a test since his triple 100 during 2010 England tour.
 
W63L35 said:
So how many will be ... in what direction ... if PCB picks Malik as captain?

Misbah is test captain .. and if Malik replaces him in test then keep in mind, Malik has not played a test since his triple 100 during 2010 England tour.
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Malik should be captain for Odi and t20.

1000 steps forward If PCB do this.
 
speed said:
Malik should be captain for Odi and t20.

1000 steps forward If PCB do this.
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I agree .... based on his recent ODI 100s vs India and Sri Lanaka, he should have been made T20/ODI captain last year.... but you did not answer my question.... who should be captain in Test matches?
 
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W63L35 said:
I agree .... based on his recent ODI 100s vs India and Sri Lanaka, he should made T20/ODI captain last year.... but you did not answer my question.... who should be captain in Test matches?
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Stop gap yk after, then malik when he breaks into the test team.
 
W63L35 said:
I agree .... based on his recent ODI 100s vs India and Sri Lanaka, he should made T20/ODI captain last year.... but you did not answer my question.... who should be captain in Test matches?
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YK if he agrees.
 
W63L35 said:
If YK does not agree then?

...and how does Malik "breaks" into test team? Based on his sparkling ODI/T20 form?
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If he doesn't agree, then it's all gloomy ATM as far as tests are concerned.

Alright a new guy may be trusted, but then it would mean a few series losses till the new bloke sets well into the job.

The question will be, will the usually impatient public & media pundits along with ex players let that happen?
 
style_guru said:
The question will be, will the usually impatient public & media pundits along with ex players let that happen?
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Soooooo which impatient public etc you are talking about? Same people who want Misbah replaced after one series loss?

Have you stood in front of the mirror this morning? :P
 
speed said:
Check his fc record this season.
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.... Oh... I see.... that is why is churning 100s over 100s in T20 and ODIs! Keep in mind, I did use word "sparkling ODI/T20 form" above.
 
W63L35 said:
Soooooo which impatient public etc you are talking about? Same people who want Misbah replaced after one series loss?

Have you stood in front of the mirror this morning? :P
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I never said Misbah should be removed. If captains are judged based on single series performances, then I am afraid teams will have a new captain half yearly:afridi
 
style_guru said:
I never said Misbah should be removed. If captains are judged based on single series performances, then I am afraid teams will have a new captain half yearly:afridi
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Ooops sorry! I thought you did! You and Speed have the same avatar....! :)
 
speed said:
Check his fc record this season.
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Why don't you check his record in international cricket for the past 3 years. If you have probelm looking it up than just ask WL.. who I am sure is more than happy to share it with you.

Malik was never an international calibre player, never have been and never will be. Stop wasting your breath (writing) on him.
 
style_guru said:
As the grapevine has it, Malik is in contention for the job of Captaincy after Misbah's removal as kaptaan.

Chanda babu, aye captain:dav
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Malik was by far the worst cricketer to captain Pakistan in Tests. Off the top of my head I can't think of anyone worse. He didn't even warrant a place in the squad, let alone the starting eleven.

He is contention for being the worst cricketer to captain a major test nation.
 
miandadrules said:
Malik was by far the worst cricketer to captain Pakistan in Tests. Off the top of my head I can't think of anyone worse. He didn't even warrant a place in the squad, let alone the starting eleven.

He is contention for being the worst cricketer to captain a major test nation.
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But but but but but but but ... he can guide Umar Akmal to be very good player.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=5621617&postcount=23
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=5621913&postcount=36
 
Scored more than his avg in the last 3 yrs. lol I remember that chart posted by W63 in so many threads. :P
 
The Shoaib Malik 'Support' Thread

Surgery of this team is long overdue. YK Malik Misbah and Afridi need to go from one day set up.
 
Excerpts from BZ:

Malik didn't know it was gonna be a slow ball.

Malik is cannot predict the future or what ball will come.

Malik was sent when the required run rate was over 7. What do you expect him to do but go for his shots?

Malik was better than Kamran Akmal.

Malik was good against spinners.

Malik averages 70 vs SA so should be given 4 more games

: )
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Excerpts from BZ:

Malik didn't know it was gonna be a slow ball.

Malik is cannot predict the future or what ball will come.

Malik was sent when the required run rate was over 7. What do you expect him to do but go for his shots?

Malik was better than Kamran Akmal.

Malik was good against spinners.

Malik averages 70 vs SA so should be given 4 more games

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58 now.

You missed, everyone else failed and he was the best performer overall in the team. Everybody else let him down. Best kick everyone else out of the team and make him captain. Then we will the World Cup.
 
his batting order is to blame... (he should bat at #3 vs SA)

it's pointless to come so low when match is practically lost..


Re Dr Bassam's 1st point, I agree that he is failing to pick slow ball...but we must not ignore that he played when RRR was about 10... hit out or get out...
he could have scored 50 with the SR of 58...but then he would be blamed as a selfish player... :yk
 
Black Zero said:
his batting order is to blame... (he should bat at #3 vs SA)

it's pointless to come so low when match is practically lost..


Re Dr Bassam's 1st point, I agree that he is failing to pick slow ball...but we must not ignore that he played when RRR was about 10... hit out or get out...
he could have scored 50 with the SR of 58...but then he would be blamed as a selfish player... :yk
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:yk

That's what his record in South Africa is and you were praising it to the hilt.

As to the rest of the post, right on form!
 
miandadrules said:
:yk

That's what his record in South Africa is and you were praising it to the hilt.

As to the rest of the post, right on form!
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We change our statements, targets etc.... quicker than a chameleon can change it's color.
 
miandadrules said:
:yk

That's what his record in South Africa is and you were praising it to the hilt.

As to the rest of the post, right on form!
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Did you also notice that NOBODY whined about Malik's position (6/7) when praising the average of 77 in South Africa. :)) Now... all of a sudden tears of "wrong batting" positions have started to flow! :))


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W63L35 said:
Did you also notice that NOBODY whined about Malik's position (6/7) when praising the average of 77 in South Africa. :)) Now... all of a sudden tears of "wrong batting" positions have started to flow! :))


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Like I said he is true to form.

If only Malik showed the same consistency.
 
miandadrules said:
If only Malik showed the same consistency.
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Who says Malik is not showing consistency? For the last 3.5 years and 58 international innings..... he average is consistently between 15.00 and 19.99 ......


ODIs:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...template=results;type=batting;view=cumulative


T20:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...template=results;type=batting;view=cumulative


All three formats: ..... just look at the consistency!!!
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...template=results;type=batting;view=cumulative



What else do you want?
 
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Normally I don't agree with the excuse of batting order, but today when he came in game was lost. Little he could do. One of those rare times.

Didn't stick at the wicket but at least batted at a decent strike rate from the word go. Way too much playing in as we saw by Hafeez, YK (who was the worst in this regard) and Misbah himself.

Course that doesn't excuse him for the rest of his performances over the last three years (or probably more now)
 
Time to update ODI stats.....

Weren't some people complaining about Sarfraz's batting abilities in ODIs.....?? At least he has much better Ave and S/R than our SPECIALIST batsman!

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