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Should Malik be in the plans for the 2019 WC?

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Malik was one of the main reason why we lost today if he had at least scored 30 we would have won.
 
speed said:
Malik was one of the main reason why we lost today if he had at least scored 30 we would have won.
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30 from a specialist batsman??? Boy o boy.... do we have "high" expectations or what? :)
 
Black Zero said:
yk --- no?

raiz...e.r 9+..no?
afridi e.r 9..no?
hafeez e.r 8+ no?

team management, playing irfan when he was not fully fit....no?
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They made up for it somewhat with the bat, we needed at least 30 from malik especially on this flat pitch.
 
I'd like to see Malik open now, considering he'll be in the team. See if he can prove his worth or not. Might as well.

If he doesn't perform there won't be any excuses. Not doing it for me down the order at six/seven.
 
ads101 said:
I'd like to see Malik open now, considering he'll be in the team. See if he can prove his worth or not. Might as well.

If he doesn't perform there won't be any excuses. Not doing it for me down the order at six/seven.
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why not at #4?
 
Black Zero said:
why not at #4?
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That's captain's spot. :misbah

Or umar Akmal's who should be back in the team.

Hafeez should drop down the order thus a vacant opening spot. So Malik should do stuff there.

Besides he's had success as an opener hasn't he? In tests and in ODIs? So don't think it's that unfair to ask him to open.
 
ads101 said:
That's captain's spot. :misbah

Or umar Akmal's who should be back in the team.

Hafeez should drop down the order thus a vacant opening spot. So Malik should do stuff there.

Besides he's had success as an opener hasn't he? In tests and in ODIs? So don't think it's that unfair to ask him to open.
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:)) You also fell for his excuse for Malik's pathetic performance????


This is same guy, who will start jumping up and down when Malik does score an odd 30 (once a year) no matter what number.... just see his post (9286) above. Do you see him whining about Malik batting at #6?

Plus Malik HIMSELF batted at lower than #4 (most of the time) when was captain. So ... don't pay attention to this batting position whine!
 
W63L35 said:
:)) You also fell for his excuse for Malik's pathetic performance????


This is same guy, who will start jumping up and down when Malik does score an odd 30 (once a year) no matter what number.... just see his post (9286) above. Do you see him whining about Malik batting at #6?

Plus Malik HIMSELF batted at lower than #4 (most of the time) when was captain. So ... don't pay attention to this batting position whine!
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Nah I don't blame his performance on him batting six.

Just there's a spot vacant as an opener. Hafeez needs to move down to three. Let Malik have it since he's gonna play. Black Zero won't have many excuses if he opens surely. He'll be setting the tone for the innings won't he (more so than at four according to the logic of how he can't do well at 6).

Know very well Malik played himself at six. He does that even in domestic. In domestic at least he likes coming in and finishing matches and being there to the end. Which he doesn't do much in internationals.

I don't really want him at four as personally I don't feel Umar and Misbah are that bad options at 4 and 5 given they average around/over 40. Rather have them there.

I do happen to think Malik is a very talented limited overs batsman. He's just massively underperformed at international level. Still that doesn't change my view on his talent.
 
ads101 said:
Just there's a spot vacant as an opener. Hafeez needs to move down to three. Let Malik have it since he's gonna play. Black Zero won't have many excuses if he opens surely. He'll be setting the tone for the innings won't he (more so than at four according to the logic of how he can't do well at 6).
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What makes you think.... BZ won't find another excuse ... if Malik fails in upper order?

This is the same guy who said now Sialkot Stallion will not win CL20 because PCB has appointed Zaheer Abbas the manager! :)))
 
Had Malik scored six more runs today and he would have crossed Praveen Kumar's average of 17.61.

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W63L35 said:
What makes you think.... BZ won't find another excuse ... if Malik fails in upper order?

This is the same guy who said now Sialkot Stallion will not win CL20 because PCB has appointed Zaheer Abbas the manager! :)))
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Well I'd like to see those excuses :D. Chances are`they'd contradict his previous ones too.

Would settle things once and for all perhaps. If Malik does score a century as an opener and makes consistent scores as an opener, you and me (and the rest) won't have a problem with him being in the team most likely. And BZ will be happy. Which would turn out quite well for everyone, would love to have a batsman in there performing consistently and scoring centuries.

If he fails, well then that should be it for Malik. His failures won't be hidden lower down the order and will be pretty apparent. Will be dropped from the squad/team.
 
ads101 said:
That's captain's spot. :misbah

Or umar Akmal's who should be back in the team.

Hafeez should drop down the order thus a vacant opening spot. So Malik should do stuff there.

Besides he's had success as an opener hasn't he? In tests and in ODIs? So don't think it's that unfair to ask him to open.
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at #4, in 18 completed innings, he scored 3 100.....one 100 every 6 innings.. (and 3 50s in rest of 15 innings ...1 per 5 inning)

as an opener, in 14 completed innings, he scored 2 100s, 1 hundred per 7 innings...which is similar, however, in rest of 12 innings, he scored only 1 50....

#4 he avgs 45 with the SR of ~80 which is not bad either...

he has been used at #5, 36, #7, #8, #9, #10 around 110+ times and he never scored a hundred...

so #4 it is... otherwise we better not play him...
 
At least Malik is extremely consistent in all three format.... for the last 3.5 years...... almost identical average in all three format .... and over all!

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Black Zero said:
at #4, in 18 completed innings, he scored 3 100.....one 100 every 6 innings.. (and 3 50s in rest of 15 innings ...1 per 5 inning)

as an opener, in 14 completed innings, he scored 2 100s, 1 hundred per 7 innings...which is similar, however, in rest of 12 innings, he scored only 1 50....

#4 he avgs 45 with the SR of ~80 which is not bad either...

he has been used at #5, 36, #7, #8, #9, #10 around 110+ times and he never scored a hundred...

so #4 it is... otherwise we better not play him...
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Wait now only one position? I swear in a team you posted, you placed him at three?

And in that Sri Lankan series where some sort of bet was put in place Malik would score centuries, you were gunning for him to played as an opener. I'm sure you were ready to play him as opener at some point.

Think he will do better up the order than regardless. Whether he's played as opener, three, four even five, he has a better record that lower down. And the best I remember him looking is when we played him at three.

Wouldn't you prefer him opening than six? And wouldn't you expect him to score as opener?
 
ads101 said:
Wait now only one position? I swear in a team you posted, you placed him at three?

And in that Sri Lankan series where some sort of bet was put in place Malik would score centuries, you were gunning for him to played as an opener. I'm sure you were ready to play him as opener at some point.
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you wanted contradictions..... as I told you, they in abundance here. "Contradictions" is our middle name! :P
 
ads101 said:
Wait now only one position? I swear in a team you posted, you placed him at three?

And in that Sri Lankan series where some sort of bet was put in place Malik would score centuries, you were gunning for him to played as an opener. I'm sure you were ready to play him as opener at some point.

Think he will do better up the order than regardless. Whether he's played as opener, three, four even five, he has a better record that lower down. And the best I remember him looking is when we played him at three.

Wouldn't you prefer him opening than six? And wouldn't you expect him to score as opener?
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I do not recall (but I believe you) that I would've put him at #3 strategically.

For some cases, we can use him #1 to #11, if team needs him tactically there.

Earlier we assumed that #4 is not available as it's Misbah's (which is not the case now as in ODI#3 YK came at #4) that could be a reason if proposed #3 for him...but now we just need to swap YK with Malik...


Openers are specialized positions, and for #1 -> #3 we should pick 3 players out of following:

Shehzad
Nasir
Hafeez
Kami
Farhat
Afridi...

so that fielding restriction can be used in our favor.

One of my guru says that, the worst enemy of the best is better.

yes, #1->#3 will be a better option (compared to #6) but why not use him at #4 which is best position, both tactically and strategically.
 
Black Zero said:
yes, #1->#3 will be a better option (compared to #6) but why not use him at #4 which is best position, both tactically and strategically.
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Who was the idiot who FORCED him to bat at #5-7 when Malik was the captain HIMSELF....and the whiners did not whine at all that he only batted 11 times at positions 1-4...as oppose to 44 times at positions 5-7????

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miandadrules said:
Black Zero said:
I do not recall (but I believe you) that I would've put him at #3 strategically.

For some cases, we can use him #1 to #11, if team needs him tactically there.
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As he is equally useless in every position.
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Now... now now now... have you checked his average in wins since 2012???? He is not "useless" there....



I don't know why people are whining so loudly..... about his batting position at #6 ..... when the average in wins since Jan 2012 is 93...and is at #6??
 
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So since Jan 1, 2012 ... Malik is averaging 93 in wins.... (for a grand total of 3 innings).....
and averages.....11.60 in losses...

Can we just play him in wins?????

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W63L35 said:
So since Jan 1, 2012 ... Malik is averaging 93 in wins.... (for a grand total of 3 innings).....
and averages.....11.60 in losses...

Can we just play him in wins?????

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Are you suggesting that he just cashes in when someone else has done all the hard work?
 
W63L35 said:
Now... now now now... have you checked his average in wins since 2012???? He is not "useless" there....



I don't know why people are whining so loudly..... about his batting position at #6 ..... when the average in wins since Jan 2012 is 93...and is at #6??
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may be you have not noticed I am not on talking terms with you.

you accused me of several things and still accusing after I provided irrefutable evidence...

Following were your accusations:

your accusation #1: You are lying.... numbers in OP are totally wrong....and fabricated!!!!!!! You fabricated the numbers... why did you not post the number of innings ... why just percentages???????

My Response: I found and pasted the complete table which included both "number of innings" and "percentages" http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=5489904&postcount=51


your accusation #2: Lie #1.
First you said... you got it from a stupid database... by some Indian. Now you produce a spreadsheet.

You failed to give me the link if the database was available of the internet.
Give me the link, I'll subscribe to it.


My Response: Yes, I got it from "indian database" (I imported to excel) and yes he keeps the record of catches by slip and gully and everything else you even can't imagine... (not my fault)

I did provide the link: " here is the main page: http://www.thirdslip.com/"
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=5489989&postcount=55

before exploring new issues, we better resolve this pending issue.

and I hope that you apologies to me and then I will answer your "new" arguments against Malik

otherwise there is no point asking me the question as i can provide "fabricated" stats (as per you).
 
miandadrules said:
Are you suggesting that he just cashes in when someone else has done all the hard work?
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yes
and in addition, when he knows that he wont perform at #6, he orders top order not to win the match.


all in all, Pakistan can't win without malik performing...
 
the Great Khan said:
lol razaaq has a higher average than malik over a similar period..lol..
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similar period? what happened on sep 29th 2009? (by the way, Malik scored 100 in sep 2009) and also Malik has not played tests in years...

and lastly

We are in 2013!

and Malik avg 93 in wins since jan 2012.
 
Black Zero said:
may be you have not noticed I am not on talking terms with you.
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Kutti???????????????????????? I did not even notice that!!!!!!!!! Because why would a mature person do a "kutti" like a 5 year old? But then again... as they say.... you never know who is behind that keyboard! ;-)

I thought... you just did not have an answer to my posts!!!!!!! ;-)


Black Zero said:
before exploring new issues, we better resolve this pending issue.
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and I hope that you apologies to me and then I will answer your "new" arguments against Malik
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You LIE & FABRICATE and I apologize??? Which rule book says that....Baji Firdous's?
You MUST apologize for fooling the posters with FABRICATED and WRONG numbers. I proved that your numbers are WRONG with Afridi's catches example. YOU PROVE THEM RIGHT otherwise.... YOU ARE A LIAR...as simple as that!!!!

Black Zero said:
otherwise there is no point asking me the question as i can provide "fabricated" stats (as per you).
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Yes you do because you have not set Afridi's numbers right..... I have bumped the thread and you explain.... prove that those number are right otherwise APOLOGIZE!!!!
 
Black Zero said:
similar period? what happened on sep 29th 2009? (by the way, Malik scored 100 in sep 2009) and also Malik has not played tests in years...

and lastly

We are in 2013!

and Malik avg 93 in wins since jan 2012.
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Your a nutter!!!!

Seriously, your a mad man :jf
 
Got Wahab run out..but credit to him.

W63 get ready for this + the argument of the inflated avg during victories in SA and what not. :p
 
slow road to redemption for him.
needs to bat higher...not sure if he has done enough to deserve it
 
The Shoaib Malik 'Support' Thread

Salam dosto. Just got back tonight. Hope to resume fun tomorrow.
 
saeed-sohail said:
Salam dosto. Just got back tonight. Hope to resume fun tomorrow.
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Welcome back....!!! :) Hope the trip was great! Did you go to the Jalsa? Any pics?

As you can see, this thread was not the same without you.... as you can see BZ is kut-ti to me! ;-)
Looks like I'll have to wait until he grows out of these kid's games! :P
 
Whats he in the team for again? If he aint going to bat or bowl why is he being played?
 
Zaz said:
Whats he in the team for again? If he aint going to bat or bowl why is he being played?
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he bowled 6 overs (was 2nd best bowler), however, he should bat at #4 ...
and not at #7/8

with this mind set, we will lose most of our matches ...
 
A stat regarding his innings today.

It was his highest score in an ODI since Sept 09 when he made 128 v India
 
Saj said:
A stat regarding his innings today.

It was his highest score in an ODI since Sept 09 when he made 128 v India
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Further proof why according to some he is the 2nd best ODI player ever for Pakistan
 
The Shoaib Malik 'Support' Thread

So Malik gets out after getting set and leaves the job to a bowler Riaz to win the game. Typical!
 
saeed-sohail said:
So Malik gets out after getting set and leaves the job to a bowler Riaz to win the game. Typical!
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If you see the replay, you would agree that he was clearly Not-Out

(However, he gave the chance on the first ball he faced)


all in all, it Was Malik who set the stage...after all our talented players failed.
 
I would rather have afridi than this consistently useless so called senior player!

at least afridi occasionally whacks a 30+ after 12-15 innings
 
29.5
Narine to Shoaib Malik, OUT, soft dismissal. Golden duck. good field placement, though. Hard hands by Malik as the ball dips on him, he fails to keep it down and Bravo takes the catch at short midwicket
Shoaib Malik c DJ Bravo b Narine 0 (1b 0x4 0x6) SR: 0.00
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1st ball duck.... but that is OK.... after 5 100s in last 10 matches, he should be allowed to fail once in a while.
 
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The Shoaib Malik 'Support' Thread

W63L35 said:
1st ball duck.... but that is OK.... after 5 100s in last 10 matches, he should be allowed to fail once in a while.
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Give up mate, Malik the great is above statistics and failures :afridi
 
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