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The Shoaib Malik 'Support' Thread

IMMY69 said:
Your statement is wrong on a few accounts. YK was brilliant in ODI's in his initial years and had a patch where he averaged well over 40 batting at number 6. He was and still remains an excellent fielder. I am no fan of Afridi but I can understand people becoming his fan from his debut. The guy hit the fastest ODI century in his second or third game ever for Pakistan and was a little more hit then miss in the early part of his career. He also opened the innings a lot for Pakistan in ODI's and occasionally in tests too with a couple of test centuries and brilliant test bowling against the likes of India. One can see why people became fans of Afridi. Malik on the others hand was a great fielder but other then that his batting was always mediocre. Barring a couple of centuries in the sub continent his overall technique was always flawed. He was and remains extremely susceptible to medium/ medium-fast bowling and his overall stats have always been rubbish. Talking Bout future captains, in 2004 it was YK who was the captain in waiting, for whatever reason he publicly declined the captaincy twice in his career. At that the same time Malik was not even vice captain let alone future captaincy material. When he was made captain he did well against minnows and by and large lost against the top 5 countries hence he was removed. What has always been constant throughout his career, and since his debut, is that Malik's technique has always been flawed and for this and other reasons I find it hard to imagine why he would command a fan base to such biblical proportions when there were others at the time who were on a completely different level when it came to ability and performance.
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Great post.
 
The fact is Malik is FTB of sub-continent. With no cricket in Pak and no series with India it is pretty much the end of Malik's career.

We have to accept the facts and that is very few Pak batsmen can play well outside sub-continent and Malik is an average batsman with a good cricketing brain. Unfortunately, it does not help much if you are not a good batsman outside the sub-continent.
 
PIA qualified for Semi...

PIA lost only one match ...when Malik did not perform...

avg of 135+ in wins
 
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LethalSami said:
that was prolly like a christmas for you

o wait....it was christmas on that day :asif
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I think its fair to say that you are embarrassed

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:))

i am embarrassed because Malik scored a fifty last year :)))

embarrass me further by telling me when he scored his last century :asif
 
LethalSami said:
:))

i am embarrassed because Malik scored a fifty last year :)))

embarrass me further by telling me when he scored his last century :asif
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sure

when he plays 1--> 4, he scores 50+ in every 3.24 completed innings and 100+ in 9.71 completed inning.

His last 100 came just 8 innings ago (when he batted 1--> 4) in SA vs India and of course Pakistan won that CT 2009 match...

almost three years (jun 19th 2010 to June 10, 2013) that he was not given chance to play at 1--> 4 even our top order was failing constantly...

and I have been raising this from start..
 
LethalSami said:
your point being Malik doesn't suck as bad when he play at 1-4???
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even at 6/7/8, he won us several matches in last 18 months (avg 77+ in wins since jan 2012) ..Without Malik Pakistan W/L is 0.33 ...

However, malik should be playing 1--> 4....so that we can win more matches..
 
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Black Zero said:
even at 6/7/8, he won us several matches in last 18 months (avg 77+ in wins since jan 2012) ..Without Malik Pakistan W/L is 0.33 ...

However, malik should be playing 1--> 4....so that we can win more matches..
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Ur 77+ avg was set into place a few pages ago. Lol what is it like 160 runs? U make it seem like he scored thousands of runs at that average. Skewed stats.
 
how much is Malik's avg. when Pak loses........and is Pak losing because of Malik??

that's the most important question...

atleast selectors thought so, that's why they threw him outta the team as soon as his parchiii was outta power.
 
SwingNSeam said:
Ur 77+ avg was set into place a few pages ago. Lol what is it like 160 runs? U make it seem like he scored thousands of runs at that average. Skewed stats.
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We have not played/won any matches since...so I am not sure what is your objection...

That value is still correct...

in fact few pages ago, he avg 110+ in wins..and i updated when it dropped to 77+..

I am not saying that he scored thousands of runs I am saying when #6/7 player avg ~double the avg of next best batsman then one must rethink the team planning
 
Re: The Shoaib Malik 'Support' Thread

Black Zero said:
We have not played/won any matches since...so I am not sure what is your objection...

That value is still correct...

in fact few pages ago, he avg 110+ in wins..and i updated when it dropped to 77+..

I am not saying that he scored thousands of runs I am saying when #6/7 player avg ~double the avg of next best batsman then one must rethink the team planning
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Read below


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Post #9715
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SwingNSeam said:
Post #9715
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there are two ways that you can direct me to a specific post#

click on post# and paste the link or just use multiquote that post...


I did answer that point few times already (in this thread) you might have missed it...so i passed when you raised the very same "point" twice...


he scored
34*
24
35*
19*
43

So Malik got out first time after scoring 58 runs (34*+24) and then after 97 runs (35*+19*+43)

and you cannot blame batsman for not getting out...
 
LethalSami said:
how much is Malik's avg. when Pak loses........and is Pak losing because of Malik??

that's the most important question...

atleast selectors thought so, that's why they threw him outta the team as soon as his parchiii was outta power.
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this is the best argument you got...you presenting I.Q.???

we failed due to the failure of our top order...not because of Kami or malik!

actually these two palyers won us our last odi..

and it was malik who won us series against India just recently...

In Pakistan merit means zilch...Afridi is in team..based on what?
YK played 250 ODis..based on what?

you need to start answering questions...I have already replied so many./..

Why Malik got the better stats than everyone else (but ZA) in wins when batted 1--4 ?

WHY?
 
Black Zero said:
this is the best argument you got...you presenting I.Q.???

we failed due to the failure of our top order...not because of Kami or malik!

why, Kami and Malik were in the XI to suck on mangoes??

actually these two palyers won us our last odi..

and it was malik who won us series against India just recently...

we'll thats simply BS :junaid:irfan:nasir
and where's that MOTS award he got???

In Pakistan merit means zilch...Afridi is in team..based on what?

Afridi has been terrible in the last 1.5 years.....but Malik was even worse than him

YK played 250 ODis..based on what?

because YK has higher average than Malik :yk

you need to start answering questions...I have already replied so many./..

Why Malik got the better stats than everyone else (but ZA) in wins when batted 1--4 ?

WHY?

because that's only like 27 innings (since you're nitpicking).......while he has laid gaint super turd in the rest of the matches (100-200 matches??) that you're omitting from those stats to suit your agenda
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bold and red, baby
 
Malik is the best!

Haters can't argue a 77 average.

Haters gonna hate

(Equivalent of an Ishant Sharma support thread for Indians, this)
 
Malik got so obsessed with being Pakistan captain, he forgot how to bat, bowl or field, became utterly useless in the process. He kinda had that attitude, if I aint captain then I don't wana play.
 
BZ just give up please.


Its okay if he is your favorite; I'm a Malik fan too but that doesn't make me biased or anything. He is pure garbage and should never put on a Pakistani shirt ever again in his lifetime.

Please stop embarrassing yourself.
 
Mamoon_Ghaffar said:
BZ just give up please.


Its okay if he is your favorite; I'm a Malik fan too but that doesn't make me biased or anything. He is pure garbage and should never put on a Pakistani shirt ever again in his lifetime.

Please stop embarrassing yourself.
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I think the last 100 pages are proof he's trolling
 
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Reverselap said:
I think the last 100 pages are proof he's trolling
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It's not a crime to like a certain player. But to go to lengths that he does to defend the un-defendable is just pathetic.
 
LethalSami said:
bold and red, baby
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you are incorrect on all accounts:

- last 1.5 years...Afridi avg 19 while Malik 24

- YK avg less than Malik

- 27 is a very good sample set...which includes 4 100s and 10 50s...

as you are lazy (with checking your numbers), I must ignore you...
 
Mamoon_Ghaffar said:
BZ just give up please.


Its okay if he is your favorite; I'm a Malik fan too but that doesn't make me biased or anything. He is pure garbage and should never put on a Pakistani shirt ever again in his lifetime.

Please stop embarrassing yourself.
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The words ship and sailed come to mind
 
Mamoon_Ghaffar said:
BZ just give up please.


Its okay if he is your favorite; I'm a Malik fan too but that doesn't make me biased or anything. He is pure garbage and should never put on a Pakistani shirt ever again in his lifetime.

Please stop embarrassing yourself.
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I think you are a garbage poster...and you should never post..

miandadrules said:
The words ship and sailed come to mind
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Never saw a meaning full post from you either...


Varun said:
I've said this a few pages ago as well, Black Zero never posts when Malik is out batting or fielding. Make of that what you will.
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so, as we agreed, now what you think of my performances against india in last series?
 
Black Zero said:
I think you are a garbage poster...and you should never post..



Never saw a meaning full post from you either...




so, as we agreed, now what you think of my performances against india in last series?
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If we extrapolate from your Malik related posts I'll take that as a major compliment
 
Black Zero said:
However, malik should be playing 1--> 4....so that we can win more matches..
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Black Zero said:
sure

when he plays 1--> 4, he scores 50+ in every 3.24 completed innings and 100+ in 9.71 completed inning.

His last 100 came just 8 innings ago (when he batted 1--> 4) in SA vs India and of course Pakistan won that CT 2009 match...

almost three years (jun 19th 2010 to June 10, 2013) that he was not given chance to play at 1--> 4 even our top order was failing constantly...

and I have been raising this from start..
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.

BZ for last year or so you have been sounding like broken record about Malik's batting at #5/#6..... and want him to bat at 1--> 4.

Look what you posted in March 2010;
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=2498592&postcount=206

BZ said:
Why should Malik bat at three? Any specific reason?
Why not MoYo?
when will MoYo start taking responsibility?
He survived under inzi and inzi always took responsibility.

It was unfair to ask Malik, Faisal, or Umer Akmal to bat at three. (It's in media how elder akmal reacted when umer was sent at three).

Malik is lower middle order batsman and not top order.
but still he said he would bat at three if he got some sort of confirmation that he would be given a long run at 3 (and not pushed back when someone else{YK** wanted to bat at three again)

Plus whats morally or professionally wrong in refusing to play at certain position when one is not specialist for that position?
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So..................... why change of mind or was it an excuse fo Malik's pathtic performance at #5/#6?

Before you bring in #7 and #8, here is how many times he has batted at each position in all format since March 2010.... (since your post);

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...0;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting
 
saiyan0312 said:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...=2;template=results;type=batting;view=innings

i dont see his fifty since his hundred against india since 2009.... maybe BZ can locate it.
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miandadrules said:
The double hundred at Perth is missing too.

Cricinfo needs to step-up their game.
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but but but but but that is past...... we know only Bradman and then to some extent Lara and Richards can match Malik.... but I think, we need to know where does BZ wants Malik to bat 1 --> 4 when he has categorically stated that Malik is a lower order batsman. He can't seem to make up his mind, you know.
 
Varun said:
I've said this a few pages ago as well, Black Zero never posts when Malik is out batting or fielding. Make of that what you will.
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We know that..... a few people tried to guess what BZ does when Malik is batting....... and the most popular guess was;

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Malik was a great player to watch but after getting marry to sania, he lost his class. Now he is an ordinary player like salman butt.
 
The Shoaib Malik 'Support' Thread

Malik and great to watch? Surely you are talking about Salim Malik.
 
Its very hard to debate when people cannot differentiate between ODIs and Tests...

Waqar wanted Malik to bat @#4 vs England (in tests) and Malik said though it was not his position he was pleased to play at #3 if team needed that however he would need a proper run #3/4 ...

anyway, he was dropped after one match :d

anyway, thats past, now he has taken a bold (and vocal) stand about his preference..

(in match vs NZL, Umer Akmal was sent #3 and Kami protested
 
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Black Zero said:
Its very hard to debate when people cannot differentiate between ODIs and Tests...

Waqar wanted Malik to bat @#4 vs England (in tests) and Malik said though it was not his position he was pleased to play at #3 if team needed that however he would need a proper run #3/4 ...

anyway, he was dropped after one match :d

anyway, thats past, now he has taken a bold (and vocal) stand about his preference..

(in match vs NZL, Umer Akmal was sent #3 and Kami protested
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I agree. Malik rocks. His average of 77 meant he should not have been dropped. He's also won us all our T20's in the recent past :malik
 
The Shoaib Malik 'Support' Thread

mr.crickett said:
Malik was a great player to watch but after getting marry to sania, he lost his class. Now he is an ordinary player like salman butt.
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See this is what I don't get. How on earth was he ever a 'great' player to watch?
 
Black Zero said:
Its very hard to debate when people cannot differentiate between ODIs and Tests...
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O yaar.... russi ran tarah paray munh kar key kiyun gal karan piya ain? Sidhi tarah maradan har gal karo paa ji!

...and I am being serious....unlike Punjabi drama artists! [/QUOTE]

Black Zero said:
Waqar wanted Malik to bat @#4 vs England (in tests) and Malik said though it was not his position he was pleased to play at #3 if team needed that however he would need a proper run #3/4 ...
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Did you specify which one is which.... ODI or tests?

Ok... so you are saying that Malik
Malik is lower middle order batsman and not top order. [IN TESTS]
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However, malik should be playing 1--> 4....so that we can win more matches.. [IN ODIs]
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???

Correct? Yes or NO?






Black Zero said:
anyway, thats past, now he has taken a bold (and vocal) stand about his preference..
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So what is his "preference? I asked you but you - like "russi ran" did not want to answer. Here ... is the post again;
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=5901039&postcount=9907
 
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He should stick to what he does best - domestic cricket

Hes clearly a fish out of water when he steps up a level
 
Zaz said:
He should stick to what he does best - domestic cricket

Hes clearly a fish out of water when he steps up a level
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As a captain, against top teams!

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zaid65 said:
Please let BZ to post the 10,000 post, make his wish come true.

Not only he would post the 10,000 post, he will break his fast ( Karva Chauth) for Malik after posting his 10,000 post.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karva_Chauth
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zaid65 said:
Dam, you guys are so quick and fast :)

Poor BZ, you ruined his fast.
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I believe in quality, merit and in winning :inzi :malik and not in numbers :sachin :moyo :yk
 
He performed very well 'as a captain' did he bring out the best in his players? and another major question

Why cant he continue performing when he is not captain? Is there and possibility that he is deliberately under-performing or is he just that bad?
 
Reverselap said:
It's a wonder the Sachinistas never come here

He basically says Malik> Tendu
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Just consider this thread as a comedy thread, and enjoy the psychotic behavior of certain people. ( Feel sorry for their disease mind state).
 
Pak_legend said:
He performed very well 'as a captain' did he bring out the best in his players? and another major question

Why cant he continue performing when he is not captain? Is there and possibility that he is deliberately under-performing or is he just that bad?
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I did a little analysis to answer this..couple of years back...and data supported that players performed better under him...

in wins, since jan 2012...he avg 77+...which is ~double than the next in the list...
and think that he got that while batting at 6/7....so should not we sack 5 other top order batsmen first?
 
If you watch this guy in domestic cricket, you'd think he is the best chaser EVER. He's on level with Dhoni at domestic level. Sadly he can't reproduce it at int level due to mental fragility.
 
Bullet Drive said:
If you watch this guy in domestic cricket, you'd think he is the best chaser EVER. He's on level with Dhoni at domestic level. Sadly he can't reproduce it at int level due to mental fragility.
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:)'

I will burn following table to posters' minds

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Those stats are amazing however its highly unlikely Malik will be made captain again. He should have remained captain but what's happened has happened. Was a very useful player but right now he's rubbish and I hope he never gets selected for PAK again.
 
Haha, BZ includes a 1000 run filter in the above table, otherwise Jamshed and Misbah would also be ahead of Mediocre Malik :)
 
Really useless to be only considering won matches, if you consider all matches then Malik's average drops down to 40 :)
 
Black Zero said:
:)'

I will burn following table to posters' minds

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Yes lets burn them.

26 out of the 38 innings were against India, West Indies, Sri Lanka and Zimbabwe, the premier bowling attacks of the last decade

26 innings in asia

No innings against RSA and only one against Aus

Average of 5.50 vs England, 1.50 vs Kenya

4 matches in England with an average of 4.

Also he has the least amount of innings from that list.

These are peak career stats too.
 
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