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Should Malik be in the plans for the 2019 WC?

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Just look at the ODIs he has played in Eng & Aus. I'm not even talking about his test stats yet and he is already looking midiocre

Sometimes I wonder if I'm the only one who believe Malik has a technical defeciency in playing against swinging ball
 
farazaidi said:
Just look at the ODIs he has played in Eng & Aus. I'm not even talking about his test stats yet and he is already looking midiocre

Sometimes I wonder if I'm the only one who believe Malik has a technical defeciency in playing against swinging ball
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Suddenly u forgot about SL...uquit?:yk
 
farazaidi said:
didnt you mentioned that in one of younus threads? Moreover, who are the 8/9 players than who revolted?
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No I didn't...
What I said was that YK told that in one of his hearing...

Though YK was the main beneficiary of Malik's sacking and YK shouldn't have accepted captaincy in that circumstances...
as YK met the same fate
 
Anwaar said:
Suddenly u forgot about SL...uquit?:yk
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I see how you've conveniently ignored my basic point and wandered around with stats quoted out of context. Just for your information btw, SL have been his happy hunting ground but he struggled there in test which caused collapses and we eventually lost the series.
 
Anwaar said:
No I didn't...
What I said was that YK told that in one of his hearing...

Though YK was the main beneficiary of Malik's sacking and YK shouldn't have accepted captaincy in that circumstances...
as YK met the same fate
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There is always a beneficiary when someone is sacked, why should YK have refused? for the revolt? hmmm .... I guess YK didnt had that dream when 8/9 players simply refused to play under Malik so I'll give him the benefit of doubt
 
what is un-ethical about me questioning Malik's technique in testing conditions? :20:

He has always struggled against the swinging ball, be it England, Australia, Wellington or Columbo (PSS)
 
Anwaar said:
so called "dead rubber King" saved :yk from brown wash in SL...
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:yk deserved that honor of getting thrashed 3-0 (that 100 was a favor returned)
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I've never questioned his ability to play long innings but please dont forget that SL also managed to score 391 on the final two days at the loss of 4 wickets only. The wicket had eased out and there wasnt anything for the bowlers at all.

Instead of posting these random stats, why dont you give your opinion only on malik's ability in swinging/seaming conditions?
 
farazaidi said:
what is un-ethical about me questioning Malik's technique in testing conditions? :20:

He has always struggled against the swinging ball, be it England, Australia, Wellington or Columbo (PSS)
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SM played only 2 test matches in AUS, 2004 and now recently.
his average is 31+. Last match he made 58.

and SS would confirm that SM got the best stats as an opener after Saeed Anwer (better than everyone else including Hanif, Aamer, and who not)
 
Oh please, better 'average' alone doesnt make him a better player. Dont tell me you consider Malik as a better batsman than the other openers you've mentioned? :facepalm:
 
farazaidi said:
I've never questioned his ability to play long innings but please dont forget that SL also managed to score 391 on the final two days at the loss of 4 wickets only. The wicket had eased out and there wasnt anything for the bowlers at all.

Instead of posting these random stats, why dont you give your opinion only on malik's ability in swinging/seaming conditions?
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No one is comfortable under testing conditions. Even Aus and ENG batsmen had no clue in those conditions.
Here is the stats of Pakistani openers, I rest my case:
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Anwaar said:
SM played only 2 test matches in AUS, 2004 and now recently.
his average is 31+. Last match he made 58.

and SS would confirm that SM got the best stats as an opener after Saeed Anwer (better than everyone else including Hanif, Aamer, and who not)
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Can you please tell me who the 8/9 players your alleging undermined Malik and please tell me where you got the information?...i'm not being sarcastic...i'm genuinely curious...
 
Anwaar said:
SM played only 2 test matches in AUS, 2004 and now recently.
his average is 31+. Last match he made 58.

and SS would confirm that SM got the best stats as an opener after Saeed Anwer (better than everyone else including Hanif, Aamer, and who not)
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Why 2nd best, according to your (not any sane cricket follower) criteria, Taslim Arif should be the best, Saeed Anwar 2nd, and Malik 3rd?
 
Anwaar said:
No one is comfortable under testing conditions. Even Aus and ENG batsmen had no clue in those conditions.
Here is the stats of Pakistani openers, I rest my case:
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WOW! that is an amazing assessment of a player's ability. I rest my case too
 
So maliks pakistan 2nd best opener based on fact he only ever opened 7 times?

Anwaar you really are a fool!
 
*sallu* said:
Why 2nd best, according to your (not any sane cricket follower) criteria, Taslim Arif should be the best, Saeed Anwar 2nd, and Malik 3rd?
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Yes Third Best, slip of keystroke!

I promise to not repeat my mistakes :yk
 
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farazaidi said:
I've never questioned his ability to play long innings but please dont forget that SL also managed to score 391 on the final two days at the loss of 4 wickets only. The wicket had eased out and there wasnt anything for the bowlers at all.

Instead of posting these random stats, why dont you give your opinion only on malik's ability in swinging/seaming conditions?
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as we already discussed his performance against new ball...
I did a compilation few months ago about technique and results were as I expected...

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since when has percentage of dismissals bowled/lbw has consituted in a player's ability in swinging/seaming conditions???? Yes a notable high percentage does show a weakness but even that alone is not an indicment of his overall technique.

You've completely lost it mate
 
farazaidi said:
since when has percentage of dismissals bowled/lbw has consituted in a player's ability in swinging/seaming conditions???? Yes a notable high percentage does show a weakness but even that alone is not an indicment of his overall technique.

You've completely lost it mate
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bowled/lbw/caught behind %age do reflect player's ability to address moving ball.

Victims of:
Waqar 56% Bowled+LBW
Mcgrath 33% Bowled and LBM and 67% caught

in fact, haters left with no argument...all objections answered.
 
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shaykh1985 said:
Can you please tell me who the 8/9 players your alleging undermined Malik and please tell me where you got the information?...i'm not being sarcastic...i'm genuinely curious...
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It was in Urdu Print Media that YK said in his last hearing before parliamentarian that 8/9 players refused to play under Malik and Malik thought that YK was also part of that group but he(yk) was not.

Names were not mentioned in that piece but we can make a calculated guess...

YK, Gul, Salman and couple of new comers were definitely not part of that group,
 
Anwaar, seriously do you think anyone other then a mental retard is going to agree with any point you try to make?
 
iHammad said:
What does that mean?
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Ad hominem
An ad hominem is an attempt to link the validity of a premise to a characteristic or belief of the person advocating the premise. The ad hominem is a classic logical fallacy, but it is not always fallacious. For in some instances, questions of personal conduct, character, motives, etc., are legitimate and relevant to the issue.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Basically, Anwaar bhaijaan is implying that we are insulting him/(personal attack) only to invalidate his argument. Yeah right! :yawn:
 
It is not only his batting that counts...
He should always be there in the T20's and the ODI's...
He is the safest and the one of the most swift fielder on the park... I rarely have seen him drop any catches...
T20 WC in England, people were all praise for Afridi in the semi-final and final for the batting... but it was Malik who supported them with the stability required for such pressure games...
This is what we are lacking at the moment...
 
Check out Mr. Ultimate Chiller
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Rather than making an effort to regain your form by playing in the QeA trophy, Malik likes to shake it!!
 
Are we really supposed to believe that Malik is an international standard player, let alone a real top worldclass player???
 
cryptkeeper* said:
Every Tom, Dick and Harry can't help a team win a match on their own - doesn't matter where they're playing. Malik's not the only one who does well in the subcontinent, a lot of other Pak batsmen do well, but how many of them have helped us actually WIN matches with their contributions? Malik has actually helped us win a lot of odis and I don't care if those matches were played in his house, when you help a lot win, credit SHOULD be given without ifs, ands, buts etc etc. Like I said before, how many of our batsmen can actually "bat" decently outside the subcontinent? I fail to understand the nonstop bashing that Malik always gets on this forum. It's nothing but exaggeration at one point. A lot of these current players can't even do well in this ongoing series which is in freakin' UAE and we're here criticizing Malik for only doing well in matches played in Asia. Amazing!

Like Maula Jutt stated, Malik's career headed for a downfall post captaincy and that has a lot to do with the way the PCB handled everything as well as how certain seniors started throwing tantrums when they couldn't take a 25 year old leading them. Hopefully, during this time period Malik can reflect on what has happened to his career over the past yr or so and make it back in time for the world cup and contribute like he used to.
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Yeah lets get him in and when we go again to aus, sth africa, ENg, nz n he cant get past single digits lets drop him n let the circus n revolving doors continue

We need to stop all this temporary stop gap measures n try n discover long term proper batsmen instead of relying on glorified tailenders Lets give deserving young candidates a good chance who can be the bedrock of the team for the next 10 years The likes of malik are wot they r - very limited We know wot he offers and in most conditions its very little
 
Zaz said:
Yeah lets get him in and when we go again to aus, sth africa, ENg, nz n he cant get past single digits lets drop him n let the circus n revolving doors continue

We need to stop all this temporary stop gap measures n try n discover long term proper batsmen instead of relying on glorified tailenders Lets give deserving young candidates a good chance who can be the bedrock of the team for the next 10 years The likes of malik are wot they r - very limited We know wot he offers and in most conditions its very little
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Whatever you say about Malik - He is a world class T20 player! We are missing him!
 
What the hell is he doing dancing in india with SRK, instead of playing QEA trophy, he was not included in the team because of his performance.
 
I'm just hoping Shafiq can show he can open at the International level and then you can probably field a very strong batting lineup by WC time.

Shafiq, Akmal, Younis, Malik, Yousuf, Alam, Akmal, Afridi, Riaz/Tanvir, Gul, Akhtar

I think people don't realize that even at #7 you need guys who can big scores. Let Afridi hide and bat at 8. I feel if you sport a batting lineup like the above, you will see Pakistan win more matches.
 
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PakWC'11Champs said:
I'm just hoping Shafiq can show he can open at the International level and then you can probably field a very strong batting lineup by WC time.

Shafiq, Akmal, Younis, Malik, Yousuf, Alam, Akmal, Afridi, Gul, Akhtar, Ajmal

A middle order that has Younis, Malik, Yousuf, Alam and Umar Akmal is very dangerous. Afridi wants to hide, let him bat at 8 where Razzaq currently does. On slower pitches in Asia, might as well carry only 2 fast bowlers. Lots of spin options in Afridi, Ajmal, Malik.
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nice package.
 
Well there goes my hopes that Shafiq could open .. LOL. Honestly, Butt is probably our best opener but at this point I'm just not putting my hopes in that basket. He may be out of cricket for a long time.
 
PakWC'11Champs said:
Well there goes my hopes that Shafiq could open .. LOL. Honestly, Butt is probably our best opener but at this point I'm just not putting my hopes in that basket. He may be out of cricket for a long time.
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Not his fault...and Kami and Hafeez looks like it will probably be our final lineup...
 
Anwaar said:
It was in Urdu Print Media that YK said in his last hearing before parliamentarian that 8/9 players refused to play under Malik and Malik thought that YK was also part of that group but he(yk) was not.

Names were not mentioned in that piece but we can make a calculated guess...

YK, Gul, Salman and couple of new comers were definitely not part of that group,
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Was there any suggestion as to who headed that group?...
 
zimran72 said:
Fawad even has a higher test average than Malik. :yk

I've no problem with Malik as an ODI player but he is definitely not a test match player. I hope you agree with me on this.
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zimran72 said:
Also I take it that you've agreed with me about Malik and test matches.
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I'm still waiting on you to agree with me Anwaar. Malik has yet to do anything noteworthy in test cricket.
 
Ahmed Zulfiqar said:
except his thread is dominated by haters, who coincidentally are the YK fanboy group.
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No I think there are a lot of Pakistani supporters too arguing against Anwaar.

The most apparent fanboy (Anwaar excluded) is you I reckon. Your love for Butt quite clearly outweighs whatever love you may have for the Pakistan cricket team.
 
zimran72 said:
No I think there are a lot of Pakistani supporters too arguing against Anwaar.

The most apparent fanboy (Anwaar excluded) is you I reckon. Your love for Butt quite clearly outweighs whatever love you may have for the Pakistan cricket team.
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oh. snap.
 
shaykh1985 said:
Was there any suggestion as to who headed that group?...
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Not in that piece...

following is from my memory...could be some inaccuracies as it's an old event.

That group of players met Yaweer Saeed and "complained about Malik...(or Yaweer Saeed facilitate that coup)...

My personal opinion is that it was all backed by PCB and they used players first against Malik and later against YK.
 
Anwaar your compilation of statistics regarding mode of dismissal hold absolutely no water. Mode of dismissal has nothing to do with how Malik plays the moving ball.
 
Poison said:
Anwaar your compilation of statistics regarding mode of dismissal hold absolutely no water. Mode of dismissal has nothing to do with how Malik plays the moving ball.
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Why don't you please share some "relevant" data?
Thanks in advance.
 
Anwaar said:
Why don't you please share some "relevant" data?
Thanks in advance.
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The onus is on you to provide some sort of logical reason as to why the method of dismissal indicates how a player plays the moving ball. It's well established that Malik is crap, its your responsibility to prove otherwise, your attempts at which are failing miserably at the moment.

And don't just throw McGrath / Waqar statistics at me, that also has nothing to do with the discussion.
 
Poison said:
The onus is on you to provide some sort of logical reason as to why the method of dismissal indicates how a player plays the moving ball. It's well established that Malik is crap, its your responsibility to prove otherwise, your attempts at which are failing miserably at the moment.

And don't just throw McGrath / Waqar statistics at me, that also has nothing to do with the discussion.
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I requested some stats and you throwing kitchen sink at Malik.
In other words you have nothing to contribute...as usual.

I can prove it (though it's not required being so evident) but I need to know that neurons in haters are in functioning state.
 
Anwaar said:
I requested some stats and you throwing kitchen sink at Malik.
In other words you have nothing to contribute...as usual.

I can prove it (though it's not required being so evident) but I need to know that neurons in haters are in functioning state.
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Why do I need to provide stats here? It's well established that Malik's average outside the subcontinent sinks admirably to well below his career average. Because of that fact, you need to convince US that Malik CAN play the moving ball, not the other way around.

And you're quite a good exponent of fallacies aswell Anwaar.
 
With our current all-rounders Afridi, Razzaq, Hafeez playing relatively well, there is no chance for Malik to make space for himself in this team...he is not good enough for a specialist batsman
 
gollumbird said:
With our current all-rounders Afridi, Razzaq, Hafeez playing relatively well, there is no chance for Malik to make space for himself in this team...he is not good enough for a specialist batsman
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Well there's no room for him in the middle-order unless Younis retires so he could try to secure a spot as an opener.

Although I'd still pick him over Yousuf and Misbah.
 
Poison said:
Why do I need to provide stats here? It's well established that Malik's average outside the subcontinent sinks admirably to well below his career average. Because of that fact, you need to convince US that Malik CAN play the moving ball, not the other way around.

And you're quite a good exponent of fallacies aswell Anwaar.
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Not related to issue...
Pakistani bowlers swinging the ball all over the globe including south asia.
Kalusakera moved the ball during pakistani last visit to SL and took ~17 wickets.
Asif demonstrated great seam bowling in Pakistan...

Hobart (aus) is a dead track, even inzi got 100 there...
WI got so many dead tracks...

We must avoid generalizations.

Last drop: Yousaf and Malik got same average in Australia...

Good Night...
 
Anwaar said:
Not related to issue...
Pakistani bowlers swinging the ball all over the globe including south asia.
Kalusakera moved the ball during pakistani last visit to SL and took ~17 wickets.
Asif demonstrated great seam bowling in Pakistan...

Hobart (aus) is a dead track, even inzi got 100 there...
WI got so many dead tracks...

We must avoid generalizations.

Last drop: Yousaf and Malik got same average in Australia...

Good Night...
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You're still yet to prove Malik's dismissal mode is related to his technique against the moving ball??

Hobart is not a dead track lol :)) And you're telling me not to generalise by saying that WI has many dead tracks :))

Go on now Anwaar, prove the correlation between playing well against the moving ball and mode of dismissal :))
 
zimran72 said:
No I think there are a lot of Pakistani supporters too arguing against Anwaar.

The most apparent fanboy (Anwaar excluded) is you I reckon. Your love for Butt quite clearly outweighs whatever love you may have for the Pakistan cricket team.
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couldn't be further from the truth.

I just don't enjoy wasting my time berating and hating the players like you do.

support the name on the front, not the one on the back.
 
Ahmed Zulfiqar said:
couldn't be further from the truth.

I just don't enjoy wasting my time berating and hating the players like you do.

support the name on the front, not the one on the back.
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Yes it must have been another 'Ahmed Zulfiqar' on the Fawad thread.

Apart from that haven't berated Malik at all, I've just said that he is not test material and his first-class and test record back that claim.
 
if I was a 'hater' of Fawad, his supporters would have let it be known a long time ago.
 
Anwaar said:
as we already discussed his performance against new ball...
I did a compilation few months ago about technique and results were as I expected...

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Whoa. Shahid Afridi has never been out leg before? What a beast.
 
Having looked at the LBW+bowled+CB stats I'll just comment that the reason Malik has lower bowled and lbw percentage is because he plays away from the body which is a deficiency in his technique.
 
zimran72 said:
Having looked at the LBW+bowled+CB stats I'll just comment that the reason Malik has lower bowled and lbw percentage is because he plays away from the body which is a deficiency in his technique.
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Then it should in high number of his CB stats, right?
But Yousaf got higher %age of CB than Malik.
 
sanakazmi said:
Sorry, didn't mean to hijack your thread, just seriously surprised by that stat. :afridi
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It is blatantly incorrect. I can remember at least two instances in the past couple of years where Afridi has been out LBW sweeping spinners. Doctoring statistics now Anwaar? :inti
 
In the test match in Delhi against India where Kumble took 10 wickets in an innings... was Afridi not LBW?
 
edit - \/ Yeah, it was caught behind the off the pad actually. :kapil
 
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