Shoaib Malik Support & Performance Watch

Should Malik be in the plans for the 2019 WC?


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Why exactly shouldnt he have been dropped? He was given chances in england and failed! Plain and simple!

And please no of this comparison crap with other players!

Plain and simple he was main senior batsmen on UK tour and failed to lead by example!

The loser should stick to HK6s cricket!

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why my post delete?
 
i am not a big malik fan. He only scores in srilanka.

without him Pak seems to be fighting a bit better in ODI.

He is not good enough on tests to either bowl or bat.

I say he needs to impress in domestic circuit and then come out clean of all politics and extra baggage.

then he should be considered for T20 or ODI.
 
Incompetent player Mrs mirza, i dnt think we should waste our breath talking about such a rubbish player
 
Are you out of your mind? After the showing he had in England the guy should have been captain I suppose.


Malik's stature? What is Malik's stature? A s*** player as far as first class cricket is concerned so obviously he shouldn't be playing that version of the game. The way you worship Malik is sickening because you make him sound like Tendulkar whereas the guy isn't even good enough to lace Tendulkar's boots.


Malik was second least worst top order batsmen for the matches he played in England....He should have been the second last player to be dropped if performance would have been the criteria...(Refer previous pages for stats).

You indians just think about Sachin...!
 
I was merely pointing out the limitation of your stat... not saying it wasnt a good stat or making a conclusion based on that....

I WAS however making a conlcusion based on these stats....

After 54 test inings I expect more than the below.... for a test player!

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...8&postcount=30

(All innings since :yk made his debut in Feb 2000)

Nothing I have read so far overcomes this flaw.....

You definitely hasn't read much...
I can show you the direction but you have to travel yourself...can't start discussion from point zero....my apologies.
 
Lol again. I said not a single known bowler and you are asking for 3.

And what is the point of posting Amir & Asif icons there? none of them were playing in that game.

As far his performance in QA trophy is concerned, I challenge him to maintain his form against WAPDA, SNGPL, HBL, ZTBL, NBP. I challenge you Malik!! :ibutt

I bet he'll miss atleast 2-3 games from that. Any takers?

Let me repeat FC is not place for players like Malik...

There is no quality
There is no opposition
There is no pressure
There is no pride
There is no reward
There is no motivation


Even Malik makes 100 or zero...means and count for nothing...

FC is for young, fresh emerging players or for discarded players....


Hope you understood me now...
 
Because Malik is more consistent.YK scores a 100 every fourth test and a 50 every 3rd test meaning he fails in other two.Malik scores 20/30 evey other game proving he is more consistent.


Yes of course if you take credit of match winning/saving with making big scores then why such reluctance in taking responsibility for defeat for making many low scores? :yk
 
So it's confirmed!! The mental insitutions in Canada allow their patients to use computers!!
 
Malik was second least worst top order batsmen for the matches he played in England....He should have been the second last player to be dropped if performance would have been the criteria...(Refer previous pages for stats).

You indians just think about Sachin...!

1) Actually against England, the only batsmen worse than Malik were Amin, Hameed, and Akmal. None of the 3 are in the present squad so your wish has been fulfilled.

Secondly not sure where you got the BS about him being our second least worst top order player etc... Refer to this page for ACTUAL STATS: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/engla...wling_by_team.html?id=5506;team=7;type=series

Thirdly an average of 13.25 for an experienced campaigner is disgraceful so just admit it that he is absolutely crap in the longer version of the game to save yourself from further embarrassment. I think 19 pages of it is enough already.

Lastly the 'Indian' slur is supposed to be an insult? C'mon Sania bhabhi you can do better than that... that was almost as bad as Malik's performance in England this past summer.

For future reference, I'm Pakistani and just because I used Sachin as example doesn't mean I'm Indian, it just means you are judgmental and rely on assumptions rather than facts.
 
Let me repeat FC is not place for players like Malik...

He has no qualities
He is no match for the opposition
He is no good under pressure
He has no pride
He should get no reward
He has no motivation



Even Malik makes 100 or zero...means and count for nothing...

FC is for young, fresh emerging players or for discarded players but most importantly for talented players....


Hope you understood me now...

Fixed.
 
1) Actually against England, the only batsmen worse than Malik were Amin, Hameed, and Akmal. None of the 3 are in the present squad so your wish has been fulfilled.

Secondly not sure where you got the BS about him being our second least worst top order player etc... Refer to this page for ACTUAL STATS: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/engla...wling_by_team.html?id=5506;team=7;type=series

Thirdly an average of 13.25 for an experienced campaigner is disgraceful so just admit it that he is absolutely crap in the longer version of the game to save yourself from further embarrassment. I think 19 pages of it is enough already.

Lastly the 'Indian' slur is supposed to be an insult? C'mon Sania bhabhi you can do better than that... that was almost as bad as Malik's performance in England this past summer.

For future reference, I'm Pakistani and just because I used Sachin as example doesn't mean I'm Indian, it just means you are judgmental and rely on assumptions rather than facts.


Please browse posts on previous pages or check thread sm performance thread...for my response...
 
Please browse posts on previous pages or check thread sm performance thread...for my response...

No wonder you are one of the most mocked poster on this forum.

First this unconditional love for Malik. Then the way you dodge out of arguments you can't win.

Time to give up....
 
Let me repeat FC is not place for players like Malik...

There is no quality
There is no opposition
There is no pressure
There is no pride
There is no reward
There is no motivation


Even Malik makes 100 or zero...means and count for nothing...

FC is for young, fresh emerging players or for discarded players....


Hope you understood me now...

FYKI, my dear Anwaar, Malik is a discarded player :)))

And you are wrong about FC cricket. If Malik maintains a 50+ average in the matches I've mentioned, I swear I will change my opinion about him. But I know more than he knows himself that he's going to flop and bunk 2-3 atleast if not all.
 
You definitely hasn't read much...
I can show you the direction but you have to travel yourself...can't start discussion from point zero....my apologies.

There really isnt much of a road to travel... I just hope that others more deserving get the same opportunities...

When he started I really thought he could do better than he has in the test format.... shame he hasnt lived up to my (or your) expectations.
 
FYKI, my dear Anwaar, Malik is a discarded player :)))

And you are wrong about FC cricket. If Malik maintains a 50+ average in the matches I've mentioned, I swear I will change my opinion about him. But I know more than he knows himself that he's going to flop and bunk 2-3 atleast if not all.

silly....
 
1) Actually against England, the only batsmen worse than Malik were Amin, Hameed, and Akmal. None of the 3 are in the present squad so your wish has been fulfilled.

Secondly not sure where you got the BS about him being our second least worst top order player etc... Refer to this page for ACTUAL STATS: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/engla...wling_by_team.html?id=5506;team=7;type=series

Thirdly an average of 13.25 for an experienced campaigner is disgraceful so just admit it that he is absolutely crap in the longer version of the game to save yourself from further embarrassment. I think 19 pages of it is enough already.

Lastly the 'Indian' slur is supposed to be an insult? C'mon Sania bhabhi you can do better than that... that was almost as bad as Malik's performance in England this past summer.

For future reference, I'm Pakistani and just because I used Sachin as example doesn't mean I'm Indian, it just means you are judgmental and rely on assumptions rather than facts.

Fantastic Response zimran! shabash!
 
Yes of course if you take credit of match winning/saving with making big scores then why such reluctance in taking responsibility for defeat for making many low scores? :yk

I am sure tendulkar has similar ratio of low scores so does that make him worse then malik?
 
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3 NO out of 8 innings to get an average of 42 for Malik
1 NO out of 14 innings to get an average of 43 for YK.

How can you compare?
Yay tizad nahee?
 
This thread is a farce it seems we have delusion fan "Anwaar" who cant grasp even the basics of reality!
 
:)) Good one! I don't think he will do that. Let me do the honors.
Notice how he cropped the columns with 100s scored by the players! :)

Also notice how the qualification set is 200 runs which is nothing

Malik shouldn't even make the list because his number of runs are too less

Qualification should be based on at least 400 runs minimum.

Average of 42 with one fifty and 0 hundreds says the story.
Qualification set is too low
 
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I am sure tendulkar has similar ratio of low scores so does that make him worse then malik?

I haven't checked Sachin's low scores...for simple reason...he is not a contestant for a middle order spot in Pakistan squad...

but looks like you do not want to answer the issue of taking responsibility for low scores...
 
:)) Good one! I don't think he will do that. Let me do the honors.
Notice how he cropped the columns with 100s scored by the players! :)

if someone scoring hundreds but still got similar average...what does it reveal...to a critical mind...

anyway...never mind...

you spoiled the symmetry of the page at the least along with saying that YK's average is skewed.
 
3 NO out of 8 innings to get an average of 42 for Malik
1 NO out of 14 innings to get an average of 43 for YK.

How can you compare?
Yay tizad nahee?


Looks like you do not believe in averages anymore!...
This is universal stand or just fgr Malik?
 
if someone scoring hundreds but still got similar average...what does it reveal...to a critical mind...

anyway...never mind...

you spoiled the symmetry of the page at the least along with saying that YK's average is skewed.

It shows the player is not a match winner and the sample is too small

Rao Iftikhar had an ODI average in the 40s at one point of his time because of his not outs

Doesn't mean he was better ODI batsman than Shoaib Malik was it?
 
I'm literally ROFL :)))

I'm really lost for words here, how can anyone have the face for coming back after being owned again n again n again!

I guess M Nadeem is a poor man's Anwaar :))


Sorry your these cries wont raise the standard of our FC...
I have repeated this 100 times...if you rate FC so high..it's your opinion/problem...

I am not interested who's who of pakistan FC.

TC and goodnight....
 
Saqlain Mushtag averaged 28 against England

Shoaib Malik averaged 18 against England

Saqlain Mushtaq = 55.56 % better batsman against England than Shoaib Malik

Thats how you interpret Stats Anwaar
 
Sorry your these cries wont raise the standard of our FC...
I have repeated this 100 times...if you rate FC so high..it's your opinion/problem...

I am not interested who's who of pakistan FC.

TC and goodnight....

I have raised one point several times that you have ignored

I would appreciate if you could answer my query
 
Also notice how the qualification set is 200 runs which is nothing

Malik shouldn't even make the list because his number of runs are too less

Qualification should be based on at least 400 runs minimum.

Average of 42 with one fifty and 0 hundreds says the story.
Qualification set is too low


and 400 runs rule is based on "First Law of Supremacy of YK"??
 
and 400 runs rule is based on "First Law of Supremacy of YK"??

no, Younis has about 600 runs against RSA so its not based on him

200 runs is ridiculously low number of runs to be able to deduce an accurate average

For once in your life stop being biased towards Malik and make an appropriate lists of Pakistan's best test batsmen against RSA, not on a stat based on 200 test runs throughout a cricketer's career

Yasir Arafat averages 47 in test cricket, he is a better batsman that Shoaib Malik

Edit: Just checked, Younis actually has 736 runs against RSA, so the concept of having a minimum qualification of 4-500 runs is in now being biased towards him
 
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. Then the way you dodge out of arguments you can't win.

.

There is no dodging tbh, points that you are mentioning here (and thinking them as original) have been discussed and addressed in detail in this very thread...

I am here for you if you have some new objections or concerns about Malik...for already discussed points you have to rely browsing this thread...
 
no, Younis has about 600 runs against RSA so its not based on him

200 runs is ridiculously low number of runs to be able to deduce an accurate average

For once in your life stop being biased towards Malik and make an appropriate lists of Pakistan's best test batsmen against RSA, not on a stat based on 200 test runs throughout a cricketer's career

Yasir Arafat averages 47 in test cricket, he is a better batsman that Shoaib Malik

Edit: Just checked, Younis actually has 736 runs against RSA, so the concept of having a minimum qualification of 4-500 runs is in now being biased towards him


If YA got test average of 47 then obviously he is better test batsman than Malik...at this point of his career...if he improves and surpasses YK's stats then he would definitely be better batsman than YK...
and if he goes south...like Umer Akmal then we will revise our assessment...

Simple...

How can we
 
If YA got test average of 47 then obviously he is better test batsman than Malik...at this point of his career...if he improves and surpasses YK's stats then he would definitely be better batsman than YK...
and if he goes south...like Umer Akmal then we will revise our assessment...

Simple...

How can we

So you are actually agreeing that Yasir Arafat is better test batsman than Shoaib Malik?

Okay, as long as you are consistent and not biased towards Malik, its fine.

I completely disagree with you on such thinking though.
There should be minimum criteria in maintaining an average.
 
According to Anwaar, Taslim Arif is best Pakistani batsman of all time

Azmat Rana, Aftab Baloch and Yasir Arafat are 7th 8th and 9th best best Pakistani batsmen of all time
 
Retarded thread and arguments :inti

Anwaar, I would love to meet you to figure how out why you were born so stupid and idiot of a lifetime.

Have you contacted Canadian mental institutions yet? Or you want me to give you the number?
 
It shows the player is not a match winner and the sample is too small

Rao Iftikhar had an ODI average in the 40s at one point of his time because of his not outs

Doesn't mean he was better ODI batsman than Shoaib Malik was it?

I disagree that you need 100s to be match winner...if that match winner is highly inconsistent like YK as it harms a team more than it ever benefits...

Here are Numbers:

Average of players 1-7 in wins in tests ever played
Avg: 43.28

and in defeat
Avg: 24.70


Average runs per match(both innings):
Defeat
Runs per match: 336.7
Wins
Runs Per Match: 427.97

(only 214 runs on average require by players 1-7 to secure a win by 1 run...and that gives us the average of 30.57)

rest are just personal medals...
 
All the runs shoaib malik has made against south africa , only 73 was pakistans top scorein the innings and not in the test match. And his 23* was a significant along with moin's 9 as they saved last four wickets.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...3;template=results;type=allround;view=innings

whereas younis has played two match saving centuries and a match winning half century against saffer.one of his century was fighting one in the lost cause of course.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...3;template=results;type=allround;view=innings
 
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Retarded thread and arguments :inti

Anwaar, I would love to meet you to figure how out why you were born so stupid and idiot of a lifetime.

Have you contacted Canadian mental institutions yet? Or you want me to give you the number?

Why don't you check with your family "member" and take her recommendations seriously before even thinking about it.
 
If YA got test average of 47 then obviously he is better test batsman than Malik...at this point of his career...if he improves and surpasses YK's stats then he would definitely be better batsman than YK...
and if he goes south...like Umer Akmal then we will revise our assessment...

Simple...

How can we

Aho. Okay well in that case there are more deserving batsmen in Pakistan. Fawad Alam has a higher average than him. Loads of batsmen have higher first class averages than Malik. So it's settled then, Malik is sh** in test cricket and should never even contemplate playing that version of the game.
 
All the runs shoaib malik has made against south africa , only 73 was pakistans top scorein the innings and not in the test match. And his 23* was a significant along with moin's 9 as they saved last four wickets.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...3;template=results;type=allround;view=innings

whereas younis has played two match saving centuries and a match winning half century against saffer.one of his century was fighting one in the lost cause of course.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...3;template=results;type=allround;view=innings


I love posts like this one, who brings something to the discussion instead of mindless slogging.

and in second innings he was the last man down (playing with dani)
 
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Aho. Okay well in that case there are more deserving batsmen in Pakistan. Fawad Alam has a higher average than him. Loads of batsmen have higher first class averages than Malik. So it's settled then, Malik is sh** in test cricket and should never even contemplate playing that version of the game.

No one claimed that Malik should be playing FC.
 
So you are actually agreeing that Yasir Arafat is better test batsman than Shoaib Malik?

Okay, as long as you are consistent and not biased towards Malik, its fine.

I completely disagree with you on such thinking though.
There should be minimum criteria in maintaining an average.

This will bring subjectivity and opponent will blame of designing the stats...
 
Why Sallu and you simply reject ONLY ONLY ONLY averages as a criteria and propose another sensible criteria so we can continue...but you can't as only thing thats in favor of YK is his average :)

I hope you can read properly

Just in case, I made some extra adjustments
 
Sorry, I meant our so called FC...

Uh-huh. I heard what I wanted to hear don't go around changing your statements. Also Fawad averages 41 and Arafat averages 47 in test cricket so technically those two should be ahead of Malik in our middle order.
 
Uh-huh. I heard what I wanted to hear don't go around changing your statements. Also Fawad averages 41 and Arafat averages 47 in test cricket so technically those two should be ahead of Malik in our middle order.

Sure, I am all for merit based policy.
but as soon their average drops below Malik, bring Malik in inplace of Umer Akmal/Fawad/Azhar/Umer Amin/Imran Farhat/ Etc Etc...
ok?
 
Sure, I am all for merit based policy.
but as soon their average drops below Malik, bring Malik in inplace of Umer Akmal/Fawad/Azhar/Umer Amin/Imran Farhat/ Etc Etc...
ok?

They won't because they are better batsmen than Malik because their current averages are higher than Maliks :D
 
I hope you can read properly

Just in case, I made some extra adjustments

I am disappointed you just added the "adjustments" but hasn't proposed anything (sensible/insensible).

- x%age of career
- x number of matches/Innings
- Runs per innings instead of average.
- Standard Deviation

or the ratio of SD to Run per innings, thats called Coefficient of variation

Thats also done in this thread...

Repeating

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this thread is farcical..so Malik is a better player than yk? lol..next he'll say malik is a better player than viv richards...
 
this thread is farcical..so Malik is a better player than yk? lol..next he'll say malik is a better player than viv richards...

Isn't he? I thought Malik used to enter Bradman's dreams and teach him how to bat. And once Malik touched Tendulkar, he became one of the best batsmen of his generation.

That's what Sania bhabhi says at least...
 
if someone scoring hundreds but still got similar average...what does it reveal...to a critical mind...

anyway...never mind...
You are right but I think, your post was intended for "non-critical” minds :P who would have jumped on the 100s by both players against South Africa.... and off course you did not want Mr. Malik to look bad! That's all.

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you spoiled the symmetry of the page at the least along with saying that YK's average is skewed.[/QUOTE]

I am sorry. I apologize..... I am sure you can forgive me because if you can forgive a player for failing in his last 28 international matches, you can forgive me too! Hope following table does not spoil anything! :P
 
Mr. Anwaar, please care to explain why your peer is not in All time World XI?

I await much anticipated response from you, sir.
 
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I am disappointed you just added the "adjustments" but hasn't proposed anything (sensible/insensible).

- x%age of career
- x number of matches/Innings
- Runs per innings instead of average.
- Standard Deviation

or the ratio of SD to Run per innings, thats called Coefficient of variation

Thats also done in this thread...

Repeating

capturezs.jpg

You were directing ppl to certain stats presented in recent past.Can you please do the same yourself.You know this argument was dealt with in the past.
 
You are right but I think, your post was intended for "non-critical” minds :P who would have jumped on the 100s by both players against South Africa.... and off course you did not want Mr. Malik to look bad! That's all.


you spoiled the symmetry of the page at the least along with saying that YK's average is skewed

I am sorry. I apologize..... I am sure you can forgive me because if you can forgive a player for failing in his last 28 international matches, you can forgive me too! Hope following table does not spoil anything! :P

28 matches or 28 innings?

Sire, this point was raised by SS and here was my response:

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=3112796&postcount=1360

you have anything to add to it?
 
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I am disappointed you just added the "adjustments" but hasn't proposed anything (sensible/insensible).

- x%age of career
- x number of matches/Innings
- Runs per innings instead of average.
- Standard Deviation

or the ratio of SD to Run per innings, thats called Coefficient of variation

To judge whether a batsman is the best, simply the average is not good enough

You have to look at
(i) The average
(ii) Number of runs scored (eg Yasir Arafat's 47 average isn't enough to judge him at the 9th best batsman of all time because he has one 1 match)
(iii) The number of 100s
(iv) No of Match winning innings
(v) Consistency
(vi) Success against different oppositions etc etc etc

Which is why Malik's average of 40 against South Africa based on just 211 runs is not fair to judge his performance against them yet because sample is too sample. Furthermore he hasn't played a single big innings which clearly shows average is magnified because of not outs
 
you spoiled the symmetry of the page at the least along with saying that YK's average is skewed.
Where did I say that YK's average is skewed? Post # please?


28 matches or 28 innings?
His last 28 innings. He has miserably failed in last 28 international innings. He is average 17.35 in last 28 innings. What do to have to say about that?

Sire, this point was raised by SS and here was my response:
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=3112796&postcount=1360
you have anything to add to it?
.... and your point is?

That is last 30 matches .... which different than the perspective I am presenting above. I am showing that he has failed in 28 innings in a row.

Ok.... let me ask you a very simple question.
In how many matches do you think a batsmen has to fail before you decide... enough is enough? Let's kick him out.
 
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