Shoaib Malik Support & Performance Watch

[MR__KHAN__JI]

This is a BIG IF.

YK and MoYo have been outcast as the picture becoming clear.

YK tried to treat his team mates badly, and scare them off.He thought himself of master rather than captain and forced team mates to react badly.

If Malik, Afridi, Akmals and other 3 took stand against YK then Malik is with the team and YK alone.

Regarding MoYo, everyone knows he sucks.

Link?

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Why should Malik bat at three? Any specific reason?
Why not MoYo?
when will MoYo start taking responsibility?
He survived under inzi and inzi always took responsibility.

It was unfair to ask Malik, Faisal, or Umer Akmal to bat at three. (It's in media how elder akmal reacted when umer was sent at three).

Malik is lower middle order batsman and not top order.
but still he said he would bat at three if he got some sort of confirmation that he would be given a long run at 3 (and not pushed back when someone else{YK** wanted to bat at three again)

Plus whats morally or professionally wrong in refusing to play at certain position when one is not specialist for that position?

Good point.

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

WC 2007

11 vs SC
20 vs IND
50 vs SL
21 vs BD
52* vs Aus
21 vs BD
26* vs NZL
8 vs Ind


WC 2009

20 vs Eng
28 vs SL
4 vs NZL
4* vs IL
34 vs SA (came at 2 for 28 and build the innings against SA, Took kallis's catch, their main guy)
24* vs SL (76 unbeaten partnership with Afridi)

Its good that you have not denied that Malik even played WC T20.

Malik should be one of our first picks for T20....

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Yes we can, and the term is called, moving average, it tells the "Current Value" of a player. Infact moving average tells much more about than average does. It's a widely used tool in FOREX.

I agree that YK didn't played much in last 12 months. But do you agree that what ever he played, he sucked in them?

What do you say to defend his stats for ODIs in last 12 months? He played lot of ODIs. right?

Good point - What is Maliks test moving average?

If moving upwards - great...

If moving downwards....?

Look at overall record....

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

MoYo and YK were good ok players once, not any more, thats past. Get over it, if you can.

Regarding your other assessments about Malik, as i said i do not agree as those assumptions are drived from your hatred toward malik.

by the way MoYo and YK were also not legend, they were also ok players.
I assume that faisal iqbal had a better year than your legends.



What MoYo has except one good year?
What YK got except a useless triple? worst ever pakistani captain! who won us few and caused defeat numerous times due to his inherent inconsistency.



repeat:
MoYo and YK were good ok players once, not any more, thats past. Get over it, if you can.

and TEST LEGENDS!

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

As promised I am back after Asia Cup.

I hope you still remember the first dataset when we established that Malik has the exact same test career path as of YK.

I will provide series of data set, the first one is to counter the Myth of Malik's vulnerability against new ball.


Malik's vulnerability against new ball


When I compared ALL the OPENERS ever played for Pakistan with Shoaib Malik. (qualification at least 5 tests as opener)

Malik averages higher than:

Hanif Muhammad
Shoaib Muhammad
Toufeeq Umer
Mohsin Khan
Majid Khan
Nazar Muhammad
Salman Butt
Farhat
Muddasar Nazir
Aamer Sohail
Sadiq Muhammad
Rameez
&
Ijaz butt


Infact, Malik averages higher than everybody else except Saeed Anwar and Tasleem Arif.

Malik's tests include against WI, Eng, SL, Ind.

[http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine...;size=10;team=7;template=results;type=batting

Thanks

At this point he deserved to be have a test spot (ie 2006).

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

As disturbance is cleared, let me re quote.

Scoring big in 4th inning of the match is a great test for a test batsman's character.

So many greats failed to pass this test, for various reasons (un even bounce, double/triple speed pitch, condition of pitch, more turn, fatigue and pressure).

Only the physically strongest and mentally toughest are able to perform well consistently in 4th innings.

Here are some stats for 4th innings:

Shoaib Malik is 3rd best player of 4th innings in the world


When compared 4th innings average of all the players ever played tests (at least 10 4th innings), Malik is 3rd highest in the world.

obviously he is the highest 4th innings averaged player for Pakistan.


Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave 100 50 0
B Mitchell (SA) 1929-1949 12 12 5 629 189* 89.85 1 4 0
JB Stollmeyer (WI) 1939-1953 10 10 4 518 104* 86.33 2 3 0
Shoaib Malik (Pak) 2003-2010 12 10 5 392 148* 78.40 1 2 1
PJP Burge (Aus) 1955-1964 15 10 6 306 53 76.50 0 2 0
DG Bradman (Aus) 1928-1948 18 15 5 734 173* 73.40 3 4 3

http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine...ualval1=innings;template=results;type=batting

Nice stats - shows potential.

List has moved on mind you.....

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...ualval1=innings;template=results;type=batting

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

A video of the PCB's inquiry committee investigations into the ill-fated Australia tour has revealed the level of in-fighting and disunity within the Pakistan side. Though not new as such, the video - leaked to a leading channel in Pakistan - confirms speculation surrounding the startling level of distrust and discord between senior members of the side.

Former Pakistan captain Shoaib Malik is at the centre of it, accused by team-mates and coaches of being a negative influence in the team. In the video, Malik is ultimately described by a committee member as a "termite", with broader criticism of his role ranging from backbiting against players to politicking within the team.

"He (Malik) is a negative person and he creates problems. I wanted him to be sent back home," former coach Intikhab Alam told the committee members. Intikhab also said that Malik had initially agreed to bat at No.3 but shied away during the tour of New Zealand, which preceded the Australia series. He also accuses him of deliberately sitting out of the second Test at Sydney.

http://www.cricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/460164.html

Really dont like politicking...

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Ok, here is another one.

We all already are well aware of disadvantages of using "averages" as a benchmark for batsman's performance.

In cricket where sample set have values from very low to very high, arithmetic mean (averages) become a poor measure of batsman's performance, quality and reliability.

To counter these disadvantages, statistician use standard deviation and coefficient of variation to determine the reliability/consistency of sample data.


Coefficient of Variation = Standard Deviation / Mean
Lower the Coefficient of Variation, the more consistent a batsman would be.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_deviation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coefficient_of_variation

I am not surprised to see Malik in top few reliability-wise.

I see where you are coming from.... Tendulkar was more consistent than Lara..... But their averages are similar....

Maliks Average after 54 innings is?

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Player 1: 30, 40, 50, 60, 70
Player 2: 30, 30, 30, 30, 31

P1: Avg: 50, SD 15.81, CoV: .32
P2: Avg: 30.2, SD .45, CoV: .02

P1 as Avg of P2 is below cutoff ~35


Player 1: 30, 40, 50, 60, 70
Player 3: 41, 41, 41, 41, 41

P3: Avg: 41, SD 0, CoV: 0

Here, I'll take P3 as there are 20% chance that P1 may hurt team cause of one sample below cutoff.

Good night.

Malik is below cut-off for Tests.... for someone with 54 innings...

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

He need to play at #4, best batsman to play up the order.

No use at #6 as one out and he got to play with Tail.

This discussion was suited for "SM performance log thread" but unfortunately thats closed.

I hope this isnt referring to Tests...

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

One side you giving stats against one country and on other hand presenting stats against 7 countries. Its not a valid comparison for so many reasons.

Like you wanted to convey that SM is great only against Sri Lanka and sucked against everybody else. Well there is a surprise for you.

Here is the averages of Pakistani batsmen against SA and you know what Malik's average is much much higher than "Great" MoYo.
Even Inzi would wish for SM's average against SA.

So the Myth that SM is great only against SL is broken!

Thats unfair and incorrect....

You need to show against one country... and then the rest.

But I still prefer to look at SM over the 54 innings as a whole... desnt cut it....

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Breaking NEW: He is highest Ranked ODI player for Pakistan at the moment and got dropped.

He was second highest scorer in CT and in result got dropped by YK

Was he dropped by YK?

If so - Why was he dropped by YK?

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

HS of 73 with 3 not outs.....

Anyway after 54 test inings I expect more than the below.... for a test player!

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=3063968&postcount=30

(All innings since made his debut in Feb 2000)

Conclusion.... After 54 innings I expect more from a Test player....

I havent read anything that has changed my mind.

What you have done is confirmed my originally held view..

MALIK

T20 - BRILLIANT
ODI - PAST LEGEND - NOW HAFEEZ/MALIK ( I favour Hafeez (just) due mainly to politicking)
TESTS - USELESS

 

[Black Zero]

Conclusion.... After 54 innings I expect more from a Test player....

I havent read anything that has changed my mind.

What you have done is confirmed my originally held view..

MALIK

T20 - BRILLIANT
ODI - PAST LEGEND - NOW HAFEEZ/MALIK ( I favour Hafeez (just) due mainly to politicking)
TESTS - USELESS

still you missed few....dig further...as your main concern is addressed
I don't want to re-post as few ppl are very touchy about that.
P.S. point is not to change minds but to present facts...now it's to the party to accept or reject.

 

[Black Zero]

Was he dropped by YK?

If so - Why was he dropped by YK?

cause YK wanted to "rest" his top 3 batsmen ...(yes batsmen).

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

still you missed few....dig further...as your main concern is addressed
I don't want to re-post as few ppl are very touchy about that.
P.S. point is not to change minds but to present facts...now it's to the party to accept or reject.

I wont be able to see anything further unless you show it... My conclusion still stands.

Dont worry about people.... I want my mind to be changed.

The facts cant be that clear if they havent changed my mind....

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

cause YK wanted to "rest" his top 3 batsmen ...(yes batsmen).

Links? Evidence?

 

[Prince_Pathan]

when will this thread just go away into obscurity

 

[IMMY69]

Links? Evidence?

He dropped Moyo for T20 when Moyo was in his absolute prime and ofcourse also dropped Razaq from T20 worldcup, a format which he was born for...

Oh sorry that was Malik not YK!!

 

[irshad99]

malik

malik should never b a skip . i dnt think he is good enough .

 

[irshad99]

younis khan

younis khan should take over the captaincey . top player

 

[Black Zero]

Anwaar, Shoaib isn't single anymore.

Well there was a marathon thread in TimePass section during SM marriage...
and majority, including me expressed our support.

 

[Black Zero]

Links? Evidence?

Check averages of MoYo, SM and UA in CT and then check who were "rested" in next three matches...

 

[Black Zero]

younis khan should take over the captaincey . top player

for how many matches?

 

[Black Zero]

At this point he deserved to be have a test spot (ie 2006).

Thats it?

 

[Black Zero]

Thats unfair and incorrect....

You need to show against one country... and then the rest.

But I still prefer to look at SM over the 54 innings as a whole... desnt cut it....

it was to counter one PPers objection that Malik scored only against SL n IN. (He never responded back).

I would show MoYo performance in Support MoYo thread...

 

[Black Zero]

He dropped Moyo for T20 when Moyo was in his absolute prime and ofcourse also dropped Razaq from T20 worldcup, a format which he was born for...

Oh sorry that was Malik not YK!!

Yes and same Razzaq begged Malik to include him in SS and Malik obliged...

There was no competition btw misbah and moYo for T20I.

 

[Black Zero]

Malik is below cut-off for Tests.... for someone with 54 innings...

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=3163658&postcount=1511

 

[W63L35]

Anwaar, You haven't replied to my question...

After how many innings of failures and way-below-par scores a batman should be dropped?


Also, any comments on Umar Akmal being dropped when he scored 79* in his 2nd last innings as compared to Malik being played after 27 out 28 failures?

 

[*sallu*]

Anwaar, I have a question for you?

If a batsman averages 300 in his first 20 test matches?

But 3 in his next 20?

It will still mean more or less that he has an outstanding career average right?

However, will you continue selecting the batsman averaging 3 in his last 20 matches because of his overall outstanding average? Answer honestly please

 

[Decipher]

Anwer, you havent replied to my question either .....

man !! u have become more like a celebrity here and we all are like journalist and news reporters of cheap tabloids.

 

[Black Zero]

Anwaar, I have a question for you?

If a batsman averages 300 in his first 20 test matches?

But 3 in his next 20?

It will still mean more or less that he has an outstanding career average right?

However, will you continue selecting the batsman averaging 3 in his last 20 matches because of his overall outstanding average? Answer honestly please

300*2*20= 12000

I can bet my life that he would average more than 30 in next 20 matches...even if he is 35+ year old...(if he is scoring with average of 3 for 40 innings then he needs rest )

Regarding the core issue, thats why I want players to be consistent rather than hitting big hundreds...


CoV is just to address this very issue...

High CoV means that player's average is skewed (just as the example you described above)

low CoV means that you have high confidence in the average of player...

regarding selection, pick the best based on merit...

By the way, on what basis YK returned to ODI squad?

 

[Black Zero]

Anwer, you havent replied to my question either .....

man !! u have become more like a celebrity here and we all are like journalist and news reporters of cheap tabloids.

I thought it was you to provide the link...(this is 4th request).

 

[Black Zero]

Anwaar, You haven't replied to my question...

After how many innings of failures and way-below-par scores a batman should be dropped?


Also, any comments on Umar Akmal being dropped when he scored 79* in his 2nd last innings as compared to Malik being played after 27 out 28 failures?

Why don't you start Umer Akmal Thread...?
I haven't thought about # of innings before being dropped for good...as it has no practical application... meed

 

[saeed-sohail]

Anwaar for chief justice.

 

[Black Zero]

I wont be able to see anything further unless you show it... My conclusion still stands.

Dont worry about people.... I want my mind to be changed.

The facts cant be that clear if they havent changed my mind....

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=2702657&postcount=470

 

[Black Zero]

Anwaar for chief justice.

I prefer COAS...

 

[Black Zero]

Link?

Check Agent's view section...it's an old story..

 

[W63L35]

Why don't you start Umer Akmal Thread...?

Here is a thread that is already going but I asked you Umar's exclusion after 79* and 4 .... in comparison with Malik's 27 (out of 28) innings failure.
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=111846

I haven't thought about # of innings before being dropped for good...as it has no practical application...

I asked you.... in a perfect world (Anwaar's world) how, and when a dropped should be dropped? Does he have to kill a fielder or bowler to get dropped?

meed

So you re saying all these players FAILED in 27 (out of 28) innings in row? Can you show me from your fancy spreadsheets or Statsguru?

I offered you $20 to find player in 100 year old cricket history who FAILED in 27 (out 28 innings) in a row, all you came up with meed

Talk to me when they have failed 27 innings in row without being dropped like Malik did ....!

 

[Black Zero]

Here is a thread that is already going but I asked you Umar's exclusion after 79* and 4 .... in comparison with Malik's 27 (out of 28) innings failure.
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=111846


I asked you.... in a perfect world (Anwaar's world) how, and when a dropped should be dropped? Does he have to kill a fielder or bowler to get dropped?

So you re saying all these players FAILED in 27 (out of 28) innings in row? Can you show me from your fancy spreadsheets or Statsguru?

I offered you $20 to find player in 100 year old cricket history who FAILED in 27 (out 28 innings) in a row, all you came up with meed

Talk to me when they have failed 27 innings in row without being dropped like Malik did ....![/QUOTE]


How will you pay me $20/-?

 

[W63L35]

How will you pay me $20/-?

Simple... you live in Kanaada and I live in Ameeeerka, will send you a money order. All you have to do is... PM your mailing address to a mod who will PM your addres to me. I am not joking.

Find me a player and all you have to do is .... admit that Malik is as good as that player.

 

[saeed-sohail]

I prefer COAS...

Dictator.

 

[*sallu*]

300*2*20= 12000

I can bet my life that he would average more than 30 in next 20 matches...even if he is 35+ year old...(if he is scoring with average of 3 for 40 innings then he needs rest )

Regarding the core issue, thats why I want players to be consistent rather than hitting big hundreds...


CoV is just to address this very issue...

High CoV means that player's average is skewed (just as the example you described above)

low CoV means that you have high confidence in the average of player...

regarding selection, pick the best based on merit...

By the way, on what basis YK returned to ODI squad?

Just answer the question Anwaar, hypothetically if a player averages 3 for 30 innings in a row after averaging 300 in a row for his first 30 innings will you select him?

Then I will answer the question regarding Younis Khan

 

[Decipher]

I thought it was you to provide the link...(this is 4th request)
.

Sorry sir, I wasn't following up with this thread so thoroughly. Which link my lord wishes to get ? Hukum meray Aaqa !!

 

[saeed-sohail]

Check Agent's view section...it's an old story..

Same agent who was fixing matches with the help of his clients in Pakistan set up?If don't know malik was one of his clients.

 

[Black Zero]

Just answer the question Anwaar, hypothetically if a player averages 3 for 30 innings in a row after averaging 300 in a row for his first 30 innings will you select him?

Then I will answer the question regarding Younis Khan

seriously, I may drop him but in real life he would become captain

 

[Black Zero]

Same agent who was fixing matches with the help of his clients in Pakistan set up?If don't know malik was one of his clients.

no his brother ans as per NOTW brother had no idea about his (Mazhar) business...

Issue I am facing here is that Khan Ji asking me the links about the pre historic issues...

Could you please confirm him about YK "resting" MoYo, Malik and UA?

 

[*sallu*]

seriously, I may drop him but in real life he would become captain

Okay then how do you defend basically the same logic for Malik

Who has had a shockingly poor average for his last 27 innings?

As for Younis, it was wrong decision to select him for ODIs, he should have been selected for test first then, then ODIs if he did well.

 

[Black Zero]

sorry sir, i wasn't following up with this thread so thoroughly. Which link my lord wishes to get ? Hukum meray aaqa !!

#1411

 

[W63L35]

Just answer the question Anwaar,

....

Then I will answer the question regarding Younis Khan

He just beats around the bush and ignores the questions that he thinks have pinned him down.

Don't hold your breath waiting for anything..... This what he has said so far in response to my 27 FAILURES (out of 28) innings argument .... that asked him two pages ago..... all "opinions" .... haven't seens a single stat or his fancy spreadsheets;

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# Bring some "logically correct" objections and I'll be more than happy to respond...

# Your statement about Malik's failures is just over statement...

# It's not reasonable to jumble all the formats together...

# Plus you have added so many in failures where he did really well...

# I mentioned few of his above par innings, are you willing to accept that you over-stated that he failed in last "some random number" matches/innings?
he is bargaining! )

# Incorrect statement.

# I protest... Averaging test/ODI/T20 is not a right way to move forward...

 

[Black Zero]

Okay then how do you defend basically the same logic for Malik

Who has had a shockingly poor average for his last 27 innings?

As for Younis, it was wrong decision to select him for ODIs, he should have been selected for test first then, then ODIs if he did well.

I protest...

Averaging test/ODI/T20 is not a right way to move forward...

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=3112796&postcount=1360

it's a few points dip ... nothing more....
Only disappointment I had with Malik was when he couldn't win the match against Aus...and got caught

 

[*sallu*]

I protest...

Averaging test/ODI/T20 is not a right way to move forward...

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=3112796&postcount=1360

it's a few points dip ... nothing more....
Only disappointment I had with Malik was when he couldn't win the match against Aus...and got caught

Hmm, so you were not dissapointed with his test match performances this season?

Even if you compare them separately, his average has been poor in the formats right?

 

[W63L35]

I protest...
Averaging test/ODI/T20 is not a right way to move forward...

Here you go.... Bradman must be proud now!

His last 12 test innnings:
2, 32, 9, 3, 58, 19, 26, 10, 38, 9, 3, 3 = 212 runs in 6 test @ 17.66 ave.

His last 9 ODI innings:
27, 2, 26, 11, 28, 2, 36, 8, 39 = 179 runs @ 19.88 ave and 66.05 S/R

His last 7 T20 innings:
6, 7, 3, 33, 13, 21, 12 = 95 runs @ 13.57 ave and 94.05 S/R

 

[Black Zero]

Hmm, so you were not dissapointed with his test match performances this season?

Even if you compare them separately, his average has been poor in the formats right?

Yes its 27+ though I expected about 33....

Major reason was the playing conditions...and not lack in form..
View attachment 9763

 

[Black Zero]

Here you go.... Bradman must be proud now!

His last 12 test innnings:
2, 32, 9, 3, 58, 19, 26, 10, 38, 9, 3, 3 = 212 runs in 6 test @ 17.66 ave.

His last 9 ODI innings:
27, 2, 26, 11, 28, 2, 36, 8, 39 = 179 runs @ 19.88 ave and 66.05 S/R

His last 7 T20 innings:
6, 7, 3, 33, 13, 21, 12 = 95 runs @ 13.57 ave and 94.05 S/R

I can understand 12...dozen...how you got 9 and 7?

 

[*sallu*]

I can understand 12...dozen...how you got 9 and 7?

It is simply a measure of how many innings in a row Malik has averaged poorly

 

[*sallu*]

Yes its 27+ though I expected about 33....

Major reason was the playing conditions...and not lack in form..

So basically you agree Malik is not good enough to score at an average over 33 in those conditions?

Enough Said

 

[Black Zero]

So basically you agree Malik is not good enough to score at an average over 33 in those conditions?

Enough Said

No one was good enuf in both teams... and then conditions eased..or chances dropped..

still best in the pack...

 

[Decipher]

Where is link where ICC/PCB/ASCU accused Malik of any wrong doing?
(This issue is not related to our liking/disliking of Malik or any other player. If you are accusing him then you have to prove it...and stop bluffing)

You losing credibility with every post....

Let me start by this to refresh your memory.


http://pakistantimes.net/2005/05/03/sports3.htm

 

[W63L35]

Major reason was the playing conditions...and not lack in form..

So all these matches were played in England?
His last 12 test innnings:
2, 32, 9, 3, 58, 19, 26, 10, 38, 9, 3, 3 = 212 runs in 6 test @ 17.66 ave.

His last 9 ODI innings:
27, 2, 26, 11, 28, 2, 36, 8, 39 = 179 runs @ 19.88 ave and 66.05 S/R

His last 7 T20 innings:
6, 7, 3, 33, 13, 21, 12 = 95 runs @ 13.57 ave and 94.05 S/R

View attachment 9763

..and why are we limiting the there great batting number to 2 tests and 3-6 batting positions? Openers are not batsmen?

 

[W63L35]

I can understand 12...dozen...how you got 9 and 7?

Here .....

It is simply a measure of how many innings in a row Malik has averaged poorly

Goes back to my very first questoin ....which you are STILL avoiding..... WHEN, and WHY A SHOULD A BATSMAN BE DROPPED????

As my high school teacher used to say....stop doing "aaaain, baaaain, shaaaain" and answer the question!

 

[Black Zero]

Let me start by this to refresh your memory.


http://pakistantimes.net/2005/05/03/sports3.htm

2005?

Malik did the right thing...

What was that penalty runs given against SS?...

 

[W63L35]

Major reason was the playing conditions...and not lack in form..
View attachment 9763

Same playing conditions extended over 4 test vs England and then all 6 test in England.... batting position 1-7;

 

[Decipher]

.....



As my high school teacher used to say....stop doing "aaaain, baaaain, shaaaain" and answer the question!

.

You must be a smarty pants trying your cunning ways in an effort to get away with it.

 

[W63L35]

You must be a smarty pants trying your cunning ways in an effort to get away with it.

I never said My teacher addressed it ME! he addressed to folks like these;

This is what Anwar has said so far in response to my 27 FAILURES (out of 28) innings argument .... that asked him two pages ago.....

# Bring some logically correct objections and I'll be more than happy to respond...

# Your statement about Malik's failures is just over statement.....

# It's not reasonable to jumble all the formats together...

# Plus you have added so many in failures where he did really well...

# I mentioned few of his above par innings, are you willing to accept that you over-stated that he failed in last "some random number" matches/innings?
he is bargaining! )

# Incorrect statement.

# I protest... Averaging test/ODI/T20 is not a right way to move forward...

# I can understand 12...dozen...how you got 9 and 7?

 

[Decipher]

I never said My teacher addressed it ME! he addressed to folks like these;

This is what Anwar has said so far in response to my 27 FAILURES (out of 28) innings argument .... that asked him two pages ago.....

I know man ... was only kidding.

On a side note, Anwaar's relatively better command on the English language is the ONLY fact that proves he is not Shoaib Malik himself. I am assuming he is a private agent hired by Malik and is working to promote Malik in the cyber world. Actually it's becoming a lucrative industry. No wonder we have a couple of die hard Imran Farhat's fan on the site as well.

 

[W63L35]

On a side note, Anwaar's relatively better command on the English language is the ONLY fact that proves he is not Shoaib Malik himself.

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That is Quote of the Week!!!

 

[Black Zero]

)

That is Quote of the Weak!!!

It's better this way.

 

[saeed-sohail]

no his brother ans as per NOTW brother had no idea about his (Mazhar) business...Issue I am facing here is that Khan Ji asking me the links about the pre historic issues...

Could you please confirm him about YK "resting" MoYo, Malik and UA?

http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-pakistan-2010/content/story/474920.html

Mazhar Majeed, the man at the centre of the spot-fixing controversy that has engulfed the ongoing Lord's Test between England and Pakistan, is known to many members of the Pakistan team as a UK-based agent. Along with his brother Azhar, Mazhar claimed to represent the interests of a number of Pakistan's top cricketers in the UK.

 

[Black Zero]

Same playing conditions extended over 4 test vs England and then all 6 test in England.... batting position 1-7;

Same playing conditions???
You sure?

 

[Black Zero]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-pakistan-2010/content/story/474920.html

Mazhar Majeed, the man at the centre of the spot-fixing controversy that has engulfed the ongoing Lord's Test between England and Pakistan, is known to many members of the Pakistan team as a UK-based agent. Along with his brother Azhar, Mazhar claimed to represent the interests of a number of Pakistan's top cricketers in the UK.

Yes Azhar was the agent and he said about player's reaction on YK's attitude...and as per NOTW mazhar told Mazhar that Azhar wasn't aware of this match fixing...

 

[saeed-sohail]

Yes Azhar was the agent and he said about player's reaction on YK's attitude...and as per NOTW mazhar told Mazhar that Azhar wasn't aware of this match fixing...

Read it again.

Mazhar Majeed, the man at the centre of the spot-fixing controversy that has engulfed the ongoing Lord's Test between England and Pakistan, is known to many members of the Pakistan team as a UK-based agent.

 

[JibranAnsari]

I know man ... was only kidding.

On a side note, Anwaar's relatively better command on the English language is the ONLY fact that proves he is not Shoaib Malik himself. I am assuming he is a private agent hired by Malik and is working to promote Malik in the cyber world. Actually it's becoming a lucrative industry. No wonder we have a couple of die hard Imran Farhat's fan on the site as well.

Who are those two fine gentlemen?

 

[Decipher]

Who are those two fine gentlemen?

I guess one of 'em is user name 'Jazba' and other is 'atif-raza' or something.

 

[Black Zero]

Read it again.

Mazhar Majeed, the man at the centre of the spot-fixing controversy that has engulfed the ongoing Lord's Test between England and Pakistan, is known to many members of the Pakistan team as a UK-based agent.

Players had affiliations with both..but it was Azhar who said about YK's attitude and not Mazhar...

So I don't see what you want to convey...

 

[saeed-sohail]

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/112486/aamer-confident-playing-world-cup.html


The fast bowler said Mazhar Majeed and Azhar Majeed, whose names have cropped up in the match fixing scandal, were just working as agents of players like in the past.
"They get sponsorship deals for us. No player knew what they were up to and what was in their mind. If they had done anything wrong or have other motives, it is their crime not ours.

 

[saeed-sohail]

Players had affiliations with both..but it was Azhar who said about YK's attitude and not Mazhar...

So I don't see what you want to convey...

So you believe Azhar majeed who was partner in business with Mazhar was oblivious to all them activities?

 

[Black Zero]

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/112486/aamer-confident-playing-world-cup.html


The fast bowler said Mazhar Majeed and Azhar Majeed, whose names have cropped up in the match fixing scandal, were just working as agents of players like in the past.
"They get sponsorship deals for us. No player knew what they were up to and what was in their mind. If they had done anything wrong or have other motives, it is their crime not ours.

No one is saying that Azhar is involved in any match fixing...even NOWT mentioned that Mazhar told them (in car) that Azhar was clean.

Thats why no case against Azhar...

 

[Black Zero]

So you believe Azhar majeed who was partner in business with Mazhar was oblivious to all them activities?

Yes I do as otherwise he would have been arrested like mazhar...but he wasn't.