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Should Malik be in the plans for the 2019 WC?

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saeed-sohail said:
Bad news for malik fans.Azhar have made #3 his own and misbah YK are back leaving one place that belongs to yousaf with asad and Umar knocking on the door.There is no chance of him coming back in test team.
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Q1: how many times malik batted at #3?
Q2: who is famous for batting at #3 in recent past?
 
Anwaar said:
Q1: how many times malik batted at #3?
Q2: who is famous for batting at #3 in recent past?
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It's not about #3 its about a youngster making a spot his own.Your captain and your best batsman have two other spots with another young kid having good start at 6.Then you have another world class batsman coming back after injury add in Umar and picture is pretty bleak for malik.
 
saeed-sohail said:
It's not about #3 its about a youngster making a spot his own.Your captain and your best batsman have two other spots with another young kid having good start at 6.Then you have another world class batsman coming back after injury add in Umar and picture is pretty bleak for malik.
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so you still not mentally ready to say goodbye to :yk :misbah :moyo

"kab tak kalaf laga ke rakhna hay?"
 
*sallu* said:
I did not say 2 innings, or 3 innings, or 10 innings.
I talked about the whole QeA trophy.

This means at the end of the season I will evaluate and if Malik is in top 3-4 batsman of QeA I will support you :)
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Translation: No way I am going to support him.
 
this guy will be very useful in world cup as it is ina sia.
hope they add him to the squad hes still one of our best odi players
 
GOAT said:
Yet you people just don't get it. Flat decks...rubbish bowling and fielding standards... man up Shoaib Malik.
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Ahhh, you know you're a straight out hater when you're going to criticize Malik's fielding out of all things.
 
cryptkeeper* said:
Ahhh, you know you're a straight out hater when you're going to criticize Malik's fielding out of all things.
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Are you stupid? I'm talking about the fielding quality he's up against in domestic cricket, not his own fielding.
 
@ saeed: that really didn't help me understand what you were trying to say. I guess you guys are on one page whereas I'm clearly not maybe because...

I don't even think the "GOAT" understood what I initially said when I mentioned how this topic of Malik and FC cric has been discussed many times.

The fact that Malik was initially a bowler, and is a bowler turned batsman may help.
 
cryptkeeper* said:
@ saeed: that really didn't help me understand what you were trying to say. I guess you guys are on one page whereas I'm clearly not maybe because...

I don't even think the "GOAT" understood what I initially said when I mentioned how this topic of Malik and FC cric has been discussed many times.

The fact that Malik was initially a bowler, and is a bowler turned batsman may help.
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I was just pointing out his comment was about fielding and bowling standard in FC cricket not Maliks bowling and fielding.Thats all.
 
cryptkeeper* said:
When people compare Younis and Malik in limited over cricket, you know Malik isn't just a bowler anymore.
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I thought we were talking about First Class cricket and average. This is your batsman has done in last 4-5 years of First Class cricket;
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                [B]M   I  NO   Runs  HS   Ave    100 50   0[/B]
2006-07  Ind	1   2   0    35   24   17.50   0   0   1   
2006-07  Pak	5   8   0   263   87   32.87   0   2   4   
2007-08  Pak	4   6   1   225   73   45.00   0   2   1   
2007-08  Ind    1   2   0    11   11    5.50   0   0   0   
2008-09  Pak	5   5   1   239  100*  59.75   1   2   1   
2009 	 SL 	3   6   1   262  134   52.40   1   0   3   
2009-10  Pak	2   3   0    66   30   22.00   0   0   0   
2009-10  NZ 	2   4   0    46   32   11.50   0   0   2   
2009-10  Aus    1   2   0    77   58   38.50   0   1   1   
2010 	 Eng    4   8   1   164   48*  23.42   0   0   0

[B]Total          28  46	4   1388 134   33.04   2   7  13[/B]
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^ I thought we were talking about domestic FC cricket? seems like you just brought in Malik's test stats. nice. lol
 
cryptkeeper* said:
^ I thought we were talking about domestic FC cricket? seems like you just brought in Malik's test stats. nice. lol
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I am sorry! I did not realize that you are totally clueless about the fact that Test matches are also included in First Class averages!

Here look at Younis Khan's First Class average and see where his first class highest (313) was scored;
 
cryptkeeper* said:
^ I thought we were talking about domestic FC cricket? seems like you just brought in Malik's test stats. nice. lol
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Your attempts to look witty and intelligent end up making you look like a jackass. Give it up, my post was pretty clear and you're posts are damn near inaudible as to your point.
 
saeed-sohail said:
I was just pointing out his comment was about fielding and bowling standard in FC cricket not Maliks bowling and fielding.Thats all.
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Another reason he ought not to play FC*.
Plus easy runs would harm his reflexes.


FC* = QEA (kids are trying here to be phunny with this term)
 
Anwaar said:
irrelavent to the issue in hand.
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Agree, why a first class career average of 31.15 in 96 matches ......would be an issue at all? He should be in the team, regardless!
 
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W63L35 said:
I am sorry! I did not realize that you are totally clueless about the fact that Test matches are also included in First Class averages!

Here look at Younis Khan's First Class average and see where his first class highest (313) was scored;
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What do you think domestic fc cricket refers to?

GOAT said:
Your attempts to look witty and intelligent end up making you look like a jackass. Give it up, my post was pretty clear and you're posts are damn near inaudible as to your point.
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why are you having your panties in a bunch?

I don't see anything wrong in what I said. I also didn't find your post clear enough...quit the pointless bickering. And, my point's pretty valid.
 
malik is on top form he is MUST on flat pitches

he has been in wolrd class form for PAK player standards.

Two innings 2 Centuries for what more can you ask.

Get the guy back In the ODI team.
 
even if he makes a million runs I wouldnt select him..I would stick with the young guys in the team and with yk,moyo,misbah in the side we dont need pir sahib anymore...as for kami yeah id have him in the ODI/t20 side...
 
the Great Khan said:
even if he makes a million runs I wouldnt select him..I would stick with the young guys in the team and with yk,moyo,misbah in the side we dont need pir sahib anymore...as for kami yeah id have him in the ODI/t20 side...
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Thats not being fair on Malik

Performers must be rewarded no matter who he is or what he has done in the past (cricket wise of course)

You wouldn't have seen a lot of the best cricketers around if they weren't ever selected after getting dropped.

DISCLAIMER: I am in no way associating Malik with the word great, thats not gonna happen.
 
he's had plenty of chances, its time other performers were rewarded..sometimes you have to draw the line for the betterment of pakistan cricket...if we select him does that mean we then drop shafiq? or azhar? or fawad? three young players who are showing talunt? there was a time when senior players made way for malik..he should also now make way!
 
the Great Khan said:
he's had plenty of chances, its time other performers were rewarded..sometimes you have to draw the line for the betterment of pakistan cricket...if we select him does that mean we then drop shafiq? or azhar? or fawad? three young players who are showing talunt? there was a time when senior players made way for malik..he should also now make way!
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Has he ever had a first class season like this?
 
another century for Malik. scored 156 in the second innings then got out. That's two centuries and one double hundred. the guy is definitely in good knick.

Scoring at a good rate to, in it's 80s.

Definitely need to test him out in the ODI team the next chance we've got.
 
he will fail again in national colours..I dont see anything changing!..the only thing in his favour is the fact that he seems to perform when in india or against india..for whatever reason he seems to think increasing his profile there is important..
 
the Great Khan said:
he will fail again in national colours..I dont see anything changing!..the only thing in his favour is the fact that he seems to perform when in india or against india..for whatever reason he seems to think increasing his profile there is important..
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How can you not see anything changing when you haven't even seen him bat for 3-4 months?

He could have improved and really worked on his batting for all we know

Look, you would probably know I'm not a big fan of Malik the player at all, but nothing, and I mean nothing should compromise the system.
And if Malik is the best in the system, he deserves another chance.
 
:)))

Turn on Geo right now!!!!! Malik/Sania skitt right now!! :)))
 
Show is "Hum sab umeed say hain".... and they are doing "Aik Din Geo Jay Saath" paradoy.
The guy (host) is visiting Sania/Malik house on EID day :)))


Oh maaaaaan.... that was hilarious!!!! :)))


The host was trying to interview Malik and Sania kept yelling at Malik to do the dishes before the interview... :)))
 
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MR__KHAN__JI said:
1) Many many examples..... which is why every PP'ER needs to learn this principle.... short memories people have.

2) Still quite a difference after 54 innings.... If it was say after 30 innings - then perhaps not a big difference.....

3) For me this is the biggest point of all - IE the Merry-go-round circus that has befallen the Pakistan batting line-up! Malik is a victim - I agree. Not fair. But there comes a point when you have to move on....

4) Yes there was better management for :yk. But purely from a stats point of view....

if someone is peaking higher, it shows they have more upside potential - like I said :yk showed a lot more upside potential than Malik did when he was given opportunities. You can fix errors (which :yk has done - ie average going up), but cant create ability. ie average staying constant....



5) Do numbers help?

6) Malik only has a good record aginst 2 countries... SL and SA....
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2- no big difference tbh...one big score or couple of NOs can fill the gap.

3- Yes move on if we have better options available. all newbies average 35+-2

4- Give SM a fixed position and play him consistently he can do wonders for Pak. on Adhoc basis no one can perform. last time he played a complete series he was The highest scorer for Pakistan.
TYrending won't help much if we consider couple of matches here and there...it would help if we consider at least 10 matches for trend...and unfortunately thats 1/3 of his career.

P.S. actually I had seen the difference against 3rd test (in hobart) that he was playing straight and improved his technique (sallu disagrees though)...
He was playing with straight bat mostly in ENG but the conditions were unplayable.
You have to observe to notice that he is working hard to become better player....
another thing was his temperament...he is most likely to get a start and then get out without converting it to big...I guess he is also working on this aspect also...
 
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*sallu* said:
How can you not see anything changing when you haven't even seen him bat for 3-4 months?

He could have improved and really worked on his batting for all we know

Look, you would probably know I'm not a big fan of Malik the player at all, but nothing, and I mean nothing should compromise the system.
And if Malik is the best in the system, he deserves another chance.
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HongKong Sixes.
 
Anwaar, honestly speaking, why do you like Malik so much? It can't be for his cricketing.
 
MR__KHAN__JI said:
3) For me this is the biggest point of all - IE the Merry-go-round circus that has befallen the Pakistan batting line-up! Malik is a victim - I agree. Not fair. But there comes a point when you have to move on.....
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I have been asking him (Anwaar) this same question. I asked him time and over, that Malik has miserably failed in 27 failures in 28 innings .... at what point you (Anwaar) would kick a batsman out of the team??
These are the answers I got from him;
Anwar said:
# Bring some logically correct objections and I'll be more than happy to respond...

# Your statement about Malik's failures is just over statement.....

# It's not reasonable to jumble all the formats together...

# Plus you have added so many in failures where he did really well...

# I mentioned few of his above par innings, are you willing to accept that you over-stated that he failed in last "some random number" matches/innings?
he is bargaining! :))

# Incorrect statement.

# I protest... Averaging test/ODI/T20 is not a right way to move forward...

# I can understand 12...dozen...how you got 9 and 7?

# No different playing conditions...
(poor Malik got the worest conditions during 2 tests he played)! :))
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Just love his latest gem address to you!! :)))
Anwaar said:
3- Yes move on if we have better options available. all newbies average 35+-2
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35+-2????
Hellllllllllooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!
Weren't you accusing me of "incorrect" and "false" statements??? Just look at your statements above!!!!!

Combined:
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Separated:
Malik's last 12 test innnings:
2, 32, 9, 3, 58, 19, 26, 10, 38, 9, 3, 3 = 212 runs in 6 test @ 17.66 ave.

Malik's last 9 ODI innings:
27, 2, 26, 11, 28, 2, 36, 8, 39 = 179 runs @ 19.88 ave and 66.05 S/R

Malik's last 7 T20 innings:
6, 7, 3, 33, 13, 21, 12 = 95 runs @ 13.57 ave and 94.05 S/R
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One more time..... at what point and after how many failures YOU will kick a pathetic batsman out?
 
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He is 9th choice without taking aamer sajad and Navid yasin into account.Let three guys fail and he can have his turn.
 
GOAT said:
Anwaar, honestly speaking, why do you like Malik so much? It can't be for his cricketing.
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Why do you think he has not said a single word about Firdous Awan yet... even though, I have been bringing it up like a broken record. :))
 
*sallu* said:
That wasn't batting and the game wasn't cricket
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Don't argue on this point with Anwaar.... at least he is admitting that Malik's forma class should be judged by a tournament like HK Sixes!
 
He ignores a lot of points. Usually when you find him out he just comes back and tries to hurl a dumb insult at you. Who's the bigger loser, anwaar or malik?
 
One thing I've been curious about is why Malik is considered good for ODI's but Younis isn't? They have similar averages and runs. Both terrific fielders, what reason is there to pick Malik over Younis in an LOI? IMO neither one should be in the ODI squad, I can live with Younis or Yousaf for now since they're guiding the youngsters.
 
GOAT said:
He ignores a lot of points. Usually when you find him out he just comes back and tries to hurl a dumb insult at you.
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..... anybody who runs out of "logically correct" (borrowed from Anwaar) arguments, resorts to insluts at the posters!
 
W63L35 said:
..... anybody who runs out of "logically correct" (borrowed from Anwaar) arguments, resorts to insluts at the posters!
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Yup. I'm pretty tired of this guy and his misleading statistics. What the hell does he even use to make his charts? Excel is the standard, buddy!
 
i think Malik should forget about playing test cricket for Pakistan, batsmen like Azhar, Asad, Akmal will be prioritize over Malik, and they have shown better temperament and technique. Maybe he will get to play ODI and T20.

People here bringing up stats, well Javed Miandad has better stat thn Malik, Zaheer abbas has better stat thn Malik, but they are gone, they have played thr cricket for pakistan, they are no longer in need for cricket in Pakistan, you can not bring them back and ask them to play again simply because they can not perform any more, retire or better replacement have been found.

and another thing 1800 + comment on this sleazy :malik?? really
 
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The Shoaib Malik 'Support' Thread
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I like how support is written in apostrophes, as if the thread creator knew most of the posts will just make fun of Malik.:))
 
W63L35 said:
I have been asking him (Anwaar) this same question. I asked him time and over, that Malik has miserably failed in 27 failures in 28 innings ....
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Like a good student you changed matches to innings when I pointed out.
Again you were quick to change your statement by removing the word "consecutive" when i shown little facts.

Though your statement is still incorrect, correct it and you will get a reply...
 
shoaib malik is probably our best limited overs players. we need him back for the world cup.
 
Anwaar said:
2- no big difference tbh...one big score or couple of NOs can fill the gap.

3- Yes move on if we have better options available. all newbies average 35+-2

4- Give SM a fixed position and play him consistently he can do wonders for Pak. on Adhoc basis no one can perform. last time he played a complete series he was The highest scorer for Pakistan.
TYrending won't help much if we consider couple of matches here and there...it would help if we consider at least 10 matches for trend...and unfortunately thats 1/3 of his career.

P.S. actually I had seen the difference against 3rd test (in hobart) that he was playing straight and improved his technique (sallu disagrees though)...
He was playing with straight bat mostly in ENG but the conditions were unplayable.
You have to observe to notice that he is working hard to become better player....
another thing was his temperament...he is most likely to get a start and then get out without converting it to big...I guess he is also working on this aspect also...
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2) Agreed it can change.... the problem is that 54 innings is a lot of opportunity to have moved the average up........ I would expect it to be closer to 40 after 54 innings......

3) Right now there are better options available.... 35+or- 2 is ok... when you have played as few innings as they have.... when they get to 54 innings - I will be saying they should be removed.... (a bit like Imran Farhat)

See

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=108910

4) With 54 innings I would have expected Malik to have shown much more upside potential.... its a tragedy that he wasnt given a good run in the side when it was "his time".... I am hoping this same problem doesnt afflict our current youngsters....

6) Malik also needed to show in his 54 innings that he could do something against a team other than SL and (SA to an extent), something which he failed to do....

I was a fan of Malik until the Oathgate.... ever since then I cant seem to like him....

I still think he should be a T20 regular and in our ODI squad.
 
MR__KHAN__JI said:
2) Agreed it can change.... the problem is that 54 innings is a lot of opportunity to have moved the average up........ I would expect it to be closer to 40 after 54 innings......

3) Right now there are better options available.... 35+or- 2 is ok... when you have played as few innings as they have.... when they get to 54 innings - I will be saying they should be removed.... (a bit like Imran Farhat)

See

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=108910

4) With 54 innings I would have expected Malik to have shown much more upside potential.... its a tragedy that he wasnt given a good run in the side when it was "his time".... I am hoping this same problem doesnt afflict our current youngsters....

6) Malik also needed to show in his 54 innings that he could do something against a team other than SL and (SA to an extent), something which he failed to do....

I was a fan of Malik until the Oathgate.... ever since then I cant seem to like him....

I still think he should be a T20 regular and in our ODI squad.
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3- I have my reservations about Fawad, Umer and Azhar...(If we play Fawad his average would go south like Umer's).

4- Malik is not that type of player who would score big (his temprament and his batting position) so I don't think he will go beyond 45 ever...if we play him at #4 then we can have higher expectations.

6- 9 tests against SL, 5 against Eng, 4 against SA and there 2,3 here and there...Sallu says its too small sample to conclude anything...


Oathgate: as per YK, 8/9 players revolted against SM and he was not part of that revolt against Malik...what you say about them?
What was Malik's fault that he was forced in to captaincy and then sacked from it? (Reason: YK didn't want to captain then and later ready to lead the team).
YK has to take his part of blame in all this politics...he was groomed as a future captain and when time came he couldn't handle the pressure (he said himself re: Jamica police case/bob woolmer).
 
Anwaar said:
3- I have my reservations about Fawad, Umer and Azhar...(If we play Fawad his average would go south like Umer's).

Oathgate: as per YK, 8/9 players revolted against SM and he was not part of that revolt against Malik...what you say about them?What was Malik's fault that he was forced in to captaincy and then sacked from it? (Reason: YK didn't want to captain then and later ready to lead the team).
YK has to take his part of blame in all this politics...he was groomed as a future captain and when time came he couldn't handle the pressure (he said himself re: Jamica police case/bob woolmer).
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This is why I feel sorry for Malik meself
 
Err, so we're just going to ignore the players who revolted against YK? Of which Malik was a part?
 
Anwaar said:
9 tests against SL, 5 against Eng, 4 against SA and there 2,3 here and there...Sallu says its too small sample to conclude anything...
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Another gem by my favorite poster!!!!!!! :)))

So, you think 9 tests are quite a large sample, aye?????

What about following 28 international innings? Not a large enough sample?

Combined:
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Separated:
Malik's last 12 test innnings:
2, 32, 9, 3, 58, 19, 26, 10, 38, 9, 3, 3 = 212 runs in 6 test @ 17.66 ave.

Malik's last 9 ODI innings:
27, 2, 26, 11, 28, 2, 36, 8, 39 = 179 runs @ 19.88 ave and 66.05 S/R

Malik's last 7 T20 innings:
6, 7, 3, 33, 13, 21, 12 = 95 runs @ 13.57 ave and 94.05 S/R
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Anwaar, why can't you agree that Malik was rightfully dropped after doing terribly?

and

SS and W63L35 Why can't you guys agree that if Malik continues having an outstanding season like he is, then he will deserve to make a comeback?

Its not that difficult guys.
Players are crap.
and crap players can improve.
 
*sallu* said:
Anwaar, why can't you agree that Malik was rightfully dropped after doing terribly?

and

SS and W63L35 Why can't you guys agree that if Malik continues having an outstanding season like he is, then he will deserve to make a comeback?

Its not that difficult guys.
Players are crap.
and crap players can improve.
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this!
 
*sallu* said:
Anwaar, why can't you agree that Malik was rightfully dropped after doing terribly?
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Everybody performed terribly and SM was the second least worst player. Had they dropped all then I would've agreed with you.
But not they just chnged his position and then dropped him.
anyway no biggie as this has been usual paterrn of his career.

in PCB selections and droppings are rarely based on merit.
 
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Anwaar said:
3- I have my reservations about Fawad, Umer and Azhar...(If we play Fawad his average would go south like Umer's).

4- Malik is not that type of player who would score big (his temprament and his batting position) so I don't think he will go beyond 45 ever...if we play him at #4 then we can have higher expectations.

6- 9 tests against SL, 5 against Eng, 4 against SA and there 2,3 here and there...Sallu says its too small sample to conclude anything...


7) Oathgate: as per YK, 8/9 players revolted against SM and he was not part of that revolt against Malik...what you say about them?

8) What was Malik's fault that he was forced in to captaincy and then sacked from it? (Reason: YK didn't want to captain then and later ready to lead the team).

9) YK has to take his part of blame in all this politics...he was groomed as a future captain and when time came he couldn't handle the pressure (he said himself re: Jamica police case/bob woolmer).
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3) Hopefully the trio can do well... if they are treated the same way as Malik has been then I doubt they will succeed....

4) If Malik cannot score big, his overall record will not improve.... I'd have been happy if he had got close to 40.....

6) I tend to agree that on individual basis the sample is too small to conclude... e.g one cannot categorically say he was a failure against England.... but if you take a sufficient aggregate (excl SL) then it will show failure and if you take his overall stats after 54 innings its not showing enough..... Shame it wasnt a more continous run cos then you could make a firmer conclusion....

7) Which 8/9 revolted against SM?

8) YK only wanted to captain if things were done his way.... (but either way that doesnt affect SM and oathgate....)

9) YK was was not politicking... he was simply making the point (the right way) that if you want me you have to let me do things my way... if you dont want me then... fair enough....
 
*sallu* said:
SS and W63L35 Why can't you guys agree that if Malik continues having an outstanding season like he is, then he will deserve to make a comeback?

Its not that difficult guys.
Players are crap.
and crap players can improve.
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Does word Firdous Awan mean anything to you?
 
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