Shoaib Malik Support & Performance Watch

[UP]

Mr. Anwaar if you reply to post # 1530 in reasonable manner you will win this thread and it will be closed forever.

 

[UP]

God knows why post # 1530 is not getting any reply from Mr. Anwaar.

 

[Decipher]

Looks like we need to get an appointment from Mr Anwaar's 18 year old ravishing blond secretary (in revealing clothes, mind you) to meet with Mr Anwaar outta his busy international calender and find the answers. He has become a big guy these days.

 

[UP]

Mr. Anwaar,

One more query for you. Why do you pick and choose questions to answer when your behind is in a spot of bother?

 

[Black Zero]

Same playing conditions extended over 4 test vs England and then all 6 test in England.... batting position 1-7;

No different playing conditions...
Get me the stats when Malik played...(This is SM support Thread)

 

[Black Zero]

Looks like we need to get an appointment from Mr Anwaar's 18 year old ravishing blond secretary (in revealing clothes, mind you) to meet with Mr Anwaar outta his busy international calender and find the answers. He has become a big guy these days.

I asked something...(Fifth request)...

 

[Decipher]

only 5th in contrast to the 27 request u ignored ? kuch tou insaaf karo yar.

Actually I am taking revenge on behalf of all those whose requests you have been ignoring. It's really an honor that you actually requested something for the 5th time.

 

[UP]

Mr. Anwaar,

Just in case if your computer is not opening page # 20 of this thread, I will repeat that question here so you can answer.

Why is your peer NOT in All time World XI? Just give us the reason.

Much appreciated.

 

[UP]

Why you are wasting your precious time on decorating stats when in short you can give us a reason of his omission from All time World XI list. Save yourself and others time.

This thread can be closed for good if you answer that one question.

 

[W63L35]

It's better this way.

Quotes of the Strong???

# Bring some logically correct objections and I'll be more than happy to respond...

# Your statement about Malik's failures is just over statement.....

# It's not reasonable to jumble all the formats together...

# Plus you have added so many in failures where he did really well...

# I mentioned few of his above par innings, are you willing to accept that you over-stated that he failed in last "some random number" matches/innings?
he is bargaining!

# Incorrect statement.

# I protest... Averaging test/ODI/T20 is not a right way to move forward...

# I can understand 12...dozen...how you got 9 and 7?

# No different playing conditions...
(poor Malik got the worest conditions during 2 tests he played)!

 

[W63L35]

No different playing conditions...
Get me the stats when Malik played...(This is SM support Thread)

here... and why did you exclude one test vs Australia????

 

[W63L35]

No different playing conditions...
Get me the stats when Malik played...(This is SM support Thread)

Why just limit to 2-3 tests in England??? why not look at Bradman Malik's whole career?

Don't forget to pay very close attention to the batsman just above him and just below him.

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

There are few more.

ODI Stats and comparison:
#231
#281
#283
#285
#287

#327


Below is already discussed in detail in other thread.
Here is the comparison between SM and YK in test at same number of tests:

Shoaib Malik overall 29 1517 148* 36.11 2 19 4/42 63.21 0 16 0

Younis Khan filtered 28 1680 153 37.33 5 1 1/47 139.00 0 31 0

SM played 29 while after 28 tests YK had the same average.

If YK could continue his career as a test player with avg of 37 then why not apply same criteria to Malik.

SM AVG YK AVG

After 5 Matches 24.20 25.11
After 10 Matches 36.14 45.92
After 15 Matches 39.90 37.45
After 20 Matches 38.03 44.80
After 25 Matches 35.73 40.17
After 26 Matches 38.72 38.97
After 27 Matches 35.57 38.27
After 28 Matches 36.00 37.33
After 29 Matches 36.11 38.68

The quoted post is a POST that EVERY PP'ER should read and have INGRAINED INTO THEIR BRAIN!

Look at s record..... he was persisted with and look at where he is now!

PS averaged 36 after 24 matches!

The point in principle is a lesson to EVERYONE! (Think Umar Aknal)

Now re Malik v Younis.....

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...template=results;type=batting;view=cumulative

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...template=results;type=batting;view=cumulative

I see where you are coming from and the point you are making....

BUT

After 54 innings.... the records are quite different...

ie 39 33

Thats quite a difference.....

The other difference (upside potential) was that had reached average of 46 within those 54 innings..... but only reached 42......

More upside potential....

had scored 6 centuries had score 2

These are the SIGNS TO LOOK FOR - IE UPSIDE POTENTIAL....

Mistakes can be fixed... ability cannot be created from thin air!!!!

 

[Black Zero]

had scored 6 centuries had score 2

This is YK's weakness...not strength...

How? your weekend assignment...

 

[farazaidi]

Yawn!

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

This is YK's weakness...not strength...

How? your weekend assignment...

I have read what your point is here....

I dont buy it...

A consistenly low average is a consitent failure....

I dont think you understood my point...

By having more centuries.... he has shown more UPSIDE POTENTIAL

ie mistakes can be eliminated, ability cannot be created.

 

[W63L35]

A consistenly low average is a consitent failure....

By having more centuries.... he has shown more UPSIDE POTENTIAL

Anwaar is just clutching on straws.

How can you deny th improtance of 100s. If scoring 100s is YK's weakness (Post #1712) then Bradman, Sachin and other batsmen with 20+ hundreds are the weakest batsmen?

 

[Black Zero]

I have read what your point is here....

Explain to me please if u really understood..

 

[Black Zero]

Anwaar is just clutching on straws.

How can you deny th improtance of 100s. If scoring 100s is YK's weakness (Post #1712) then Bradman, Sachin and other batsmen with 20+ hundreds are the weakest batsmen?

last time I checked Don's average was close to 100...not 38...

I can't explain more...take some basic math classes (if you can afford).
let me save some money for you...

[utube]yT3jh2aZN68[/utube]

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Explain to me please if u really understood..

A consistent set of 50 50 50 is better than 40 50 60.

My point is for a newbee the latter is better cos he has shown he can get 60. Its easier to fix the 40 than create a 60.

Secondly 40 50 60 is definitely better 30 30 30.

 

[saeed-sohail]

I will break this myth of malik being more consistent.Watch this space.

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

I will break this myth of malik being more consistent.Watch this space.

No dont do that - it will only elongate the thread longer than it needs be....

 

[Black Zero]

A consistent set of 50 50 50 is better than 40 50 60.

My point is for a newbee the latter is better cos he has shown he can get 60. Its easier to fix the 40 than create a 60.

Secondly 40 50 60 is definitely better 30 30 30.

Unfortunately YK doesn't reflect anything like of your example.

 

[Black Zero]

I will break this myth of malik being more consistent.Watch this space.

you also got 1 msg fr ?

P.S. I expected that you would say that YK is consistent.

 

[saeed-sohail]

No dont do that - it will only elongate the thread longer than it needs be....

U

​

I think we crossed that bridge a while back.

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Unfortunately YK doesn't reflect anything like of your example.

It does - see post 1711

Im not sure if its fortunate or unfortunate becasue I want every Pak player to be better than they actually are.....

 

[saeed-sohail]

you also got 1 msg fr ?

P.S. I expected that you would say that YK is consistent.

That will be Anwaar tonight.

 

[saeed-sohail]

P.S. I expected that you would say that YK is consistent.

I will prove it meri jaan.

 

[Black Zero]

I will prove it meri jaan.

Thats like a fighter

Here what I posted on July 20th

View attachment 9773

 

[Ali Raja]

Why are you all hung up in stats? You don't need any numbers to see that Shoaib Malik is a failure in Test. Just watch him bat.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

) )..... Anwaar your still at it... Surely you must get paid by Malik ?

 

[insaftak]

So this thread is still alive. Someone needs to bump bow your head in shame shoaib Malik thread.

 

[saeed-sohail]

So this thread is still alive. Someone needs to bump bow your head in shame shoaib Malik thread.

Naiki ka kaam aur pooch pooch.Go ahead mate.

 

[insaftak]

Naiki ka kaam aur pooch pooch.Go ahead mate.

I will bump it if god forbid he comes back

 

[iZeeshan]

This is YK's weakness...not strength...

How? your weekend assignment...

In what world is scoring 6 centuries possibly a WEAKNESS (as opposed to 2)

 

[W63L35]

last time I checked Don's average was close to 100...not 38...

I can't explain more...take some basic math classes (if you can afford).
let me save some money for you...

chir-chiray kiun hoo rahay hoo, bhai??? Baby nay to sari raat nahi jagaya? Please be patient.. I am learning "Mirza-Math" from you...better yet, I am also learning Deccan-Logic also...!!! You are not from Hyderabad Deccan, are you?

So, are you saying scoring 100s is a "weakness" if the batsman is YK but scoring 100s is strength if you are Bradman, Sachin, Kallis, Miandad, Ponting, Lara? Am I correct? If not, then do you have youtube video that explains that??


By the way, you wanted to see the stats when Malik played..... and you have't typed a word about posts # 1709 and #1710???

Get me the stats when Malik played...(This is SM support Thread)

Here one more time;

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=3165904&postcount=1710

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=3165904&postcount=1711

Thats like a fighter

Here what I posted on July 20th

View attachment 9773

That is not fair!!! Saeed-Sohail gets fancy schmancy graphs and all I get is this;

# Bring some logically correct objections and I'll be more than happy to respond...

# Your statement about Malik's failures is just over statement.....

# It's not reasonable to jumble all the formats together...

# Plus you have added so many in failures where he did really well...

# I mentioned few of his above par innings, are you willing to accept that you over-stated that he failed in last "some random number" matches/innings?
he is bargaining!

# Incorrect statement.

# I protest... Averaging test/ODI/T20 is not a right way to move forward...

# I can understand 12...dozen...how you got 9 and 7?

# No different playing conditions...
(poor Malik got the worest conditions during 2 tests he played)!

 

[W63L35]

In what world is scoring 6 centuries possibly a WEAKNESS (as opposed to 2)

Hyderabad, Deccan may be???


Now, you are also going to get a free-youtube math video! Just wait!

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Why are people getting issed:

Its all

Its interesting to see Anwaar pulling out another.....

After

I dont think there is another comeback though....

 

[Black Zero]

In what world is scoring 6 centuries possibly a WEAKNESS (as opposed to 2)

Khan Ji got the idea...he may like to answer this...

 

[Black Zero]

So this thread is still alive. Someone needs to bump bow your head in shame shoaib Malik thread.

All reasonable objections were defended in that thread too..

 

[W63L35]

All reasonable objections were defended in that thread too..

From Anwaar-Webster Dictionary;

[B]rea·son·able [/B] adj \ˈrēz-nə-bəl, ˈrē-zən-ə-bəl\


[B]Definition of REASONABLE[/B]

1. a : being in accordance with Malik's worship
   b : No critisim of Malik  
   c : Extreme and excessive praise of Malik.
   c : whatever Anwaar thinks about Malik
   d : whatever Anwaar knows about Malik
   e : whatever Anwaar believes about Malik
   f : whatever Anwaar says about Malik  

2. a : having the faculty of reason 
   b : possessing sound judgment to worship Malik


[B]Examples of REASONABLE[/B]
  #  We have reasonable cause to believe that Malik is the best cricketer ever.
  #  Anwaar offers a very reasonable points to defend Malik.
  #  It's not reasonable to expect Anwaar to reply to all your Malik questions.
  #  Any question, that is not reasonable will not be replied by Anwaar.
  #  Please be reasonable, and do not rate Malik below Bradman.
  #  A reasonable cricket fan will never critisize Malik.
  #  Cricket fans do not have reasonable expectations from Malik as he had 
     highest average 14.66 vs Eng in 2 tests among the batsmen @ 3-6. 
  #  The team has a reasonable chance of winning only if Malik is playing.
  #  It is very reasonable to wish 15 colones of Malik who can play for Pakistan.

 

[saeed-sohail]

W63L35 is a legend.

 

[jazba]

I guess one of 'em is user name 'Jazba' and other is 'atif-raza' or something.

Guilty as charged

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Khan Ji got the idea...he may like to answer this...

Refer to post 1718....

Though my conclusion was different to Anwaar!

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

It does - see post 1711

Im not sure if its fortunate or unfortunate becasue I want every Pak player to be better than they actually are.....

Anwaar - you have not replied to this yet...

BUT - I can understand if you need some thinking time.....

 

[Black Zero]

Look at s record..... he was persisted with and look at where he is now!

PS averaged 36 after 24 matches!

There are so many other examples...
Steve Waugh another one.

Now re Malik v Younis.....

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...template=results;type=batting;view=cumulative

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...template=results;type=batting;view=cumulative

I see where you are coming from and the point you are making....

BUT

After 54 innings.... the records are quite different...

ie 39 33

Thats quite a difference.....

33.5 vs 39.05 I don't see quite a difference...

and there is little slippage due to mismanagement of Malik's position...Why Malik was played at#4 in last match in UK? and after that match he was promptly dropped... He is been given 3 tests per year on average...while YK was given free run (Cause of Immi's backing)...Had you read my related posts...i assure you that given a permanent #, after 58 matches he would have 44+ average...and with unmatched consistency.

had scored 6 centuries had score 2

These are the SIGNS TO LOOK FOR - IE UPSIDE POTENTIAL....

Mistakes can be fixed... ability cannot be created from thin air!!!!

What upward potential....It was all better management by the coach that he became the YK we know...Just change the management and you may see wonders...

Regarding 6 100s,while average of around 39; it is a smoking gun that tells that YK's average is not true... (it's not what you see, it's badly skewed) He failed most of the times to even cross 25...how could you accept that player from risk management point of view?

lastly, please make small points...one post one point...easy for both.

 

[Black Zero]

Anwaar - you have not replied to this yet...

BUT - I can understand if you need some thinking time.....

I replied just to make you happy..but nothing new that I have not said in this thread several times.

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

I replied just to make you happy..but nothing new that I have not said in this thread several times.

Just wanted to make sure we get to the crux of the matter... there has been a lot of white noise....

 

[Black Zero]

Just wanted to make sure we get to the crux of the matter... there has been a lot of white noise....

another thing..malik has been asked to play as:


Openers 7 Tests
4th 3 times
5th 2
6th 18
7th 8

and thats also random...sometimes in same test he was asked to play different positions...after 2 bad tests in NZL he was dropped (there was nothing wrong if he played the third one too, anyway..) then suddenly he was picked for 3rd tests against Aus and he made good contribution... and interestingly he was dropped again against same team ...to be picked in next game so to be dropped after two games (one game he contributed ok and next game changed his position...

Long story short...If they want to play malik ..stick with him

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

1)
There are so many other examples...
Steve Waugh another one.

2)
33.5 vs 39.05 I don't see quite a difference...

3)
and there is little slippage due to mismanagement of Malik's position...Why Malik was played at#4 in last match in UK? and after that match he was promptly dropped... He is been given 3 tests per year on average...while YK was given free run (Cause of Immi's backing)...Had you read my related posts...i assure you that given a permanent #, after 58 matches he would have 44+ average...and with unmatched consistency.

4)
What upward potential....It was all better management by the coach that he became the YK we know...Just change the management and you may see wonders...

Regarding 6 100s,while average of around 39; it is a smoking gun that tells that YK's average is not true... (it's not what you see, it's badly skewed) He failed most of the times to even cross 25...how could you accept that player from risk management point of view?

5) lastly, please make small points...one post one point...easy for both.

1) Many many examples..... which is why every PP'ER needs to learn this principle.... short memories people have.

2) Still quite a difference after 54 innings.... If it was say after 30 innings - then perhaps not a big difference.....

3) For me this is the biggest point of all - IE the Merry-go-round circus that has befallen the Pakistan batting line-up! Malik is a victim - I agree. Not fair. But there comes a point when you have to move on....

4) Yes there was better management for . But purely from a stats point of view....

if someone is peaking higher, it shows they have more upside potential - like I said showed a lot more upside potential than Malik did when he was given opportunities. You can fix errors (which has done - ie average going up), but cant create ability. ie average staying constant....

5) Do numbers help?

6) Malik only has a good record aginst 2 countries... SL and SA....

 

[saeed-sohail]

Originally Posted by Anwaar
Player 1: 30, 40, 50, 60, 70
Player 2: 30, 30, 30, 30, 31

P1: Avg: 50, SD 15.81, CoV: .32
P2: Avg: 30.2, SD .45, CoV: .02

P1 as Avg of P2 is below cutoff ~35


Player 1: 30, 40, 50, 60, 70
Player 3: 41, 41, 41, 41, 41

P3: Avg: 41, SD 0, CoV: 0

Here, I'll take P3 as there are 20% chance that P1 may hurt team cause of one sample below cutoff.
Good night.


So Mr Anwaar Malik is more consistent over his 32 matches then YK despite YK scoring 6 100s to Maliks 2?Because he scores his average score more often eh?Lets look into it.


Malik,s 33+ scores in 32 tests career.


47 159 113 7 0 41.59 6 bowled 2 v South Africa Lahore
48 105 81 7 0 59.25 6 run out 2 v Sri Lanka Faisalabad
59 215 177 11 0 33.33 6 caught 4 v Sri Lanka Faisalabad
44 117 81 5 0 54.32 7 lbw 2 v Sri Lanka Karachi
53* 109 60 6 1 88.33 5 not out 4 v Sri Lanka Karachi
41 126 89 4 2 46.06 6 caught 3 v Australia Melbourne
64 121 79 8 0 81.01 1 caught 3 v West Indies Kingston
39 116 71 5 0 54.92 1 lbw 1 v England Multan
59 183 145 7 1 40.68 1 caught 1 v India Lahore
148* 488 369 21 2 40.10 1 not out 4 v Sri Lanka Colombo (SSC)
69 192 155 10 1 44.51 6 caught 2 v West Indies Lahore
42 - 62 7 0 67.74 6 caught 1 v West Indies Multan
73 227 170 6 1 42.94 6 stumped 2 v South Africa Karachi
56 218 168 7 0 33.33 4 run out 2 v Sri Lanka Karachi
38 101 71 4 0 53.52 7 bowled 2 v Sri Lanka Galle
39* 131 88 5 0 44.31 6 not out 1 v Sri Lanka Colombo
45 99 70 7 0 64.28 6 lbw 1 v Sri Lanka Colombo
134 372 240 13 2 55.83 6 caught 3 v Sri Lanka
58 181 144 10 0 40.27 6 caught 2 v Australia Hobart
38 92 53 6 0 71.69 6 caught 2 v England Nottingham


Now these are 20 33+ scores in 32 matches.If you break them down.

2 100s v SL in SL.

8 50s.3 v SL 2 v WI 1 v Ind/SA/Aus.6 at home 1 each in Aus and WI.

6 40s. 3 v SL 1 each v Aus/SA/WI.1 in Aus/SL 4 at home.

4 30s.2 v SL 1 each v Eng/Aus.2 in SL 1 each in Aus/Eng.

10 0ut 20 at home another 5 in SL and 5 out of asia.

30+ 37%
40+ 29.6%
50+ 18.5%
100+ 3.7%

50% at home.
75% in Asia.
25% outside Asia.


YK,s 33+ scores in his first 32 tests.

107 322 250 11 0 42.80 7 caught 3 v Sri Lanka Rawalpindi
61 136 104 8 1 58.65 7 caught 3 v Sri Lanka Karachi
116 363 281 9 1 41.28 6 caught 2 v Sri Lanka Galle
91 176 138 14 2 65.94 5 caught 1 v New Zealand Auckland
149* 253 182 14 4 81.86 6 not out 3 v New Zealand Auckland
36 84 57 5 0 63.15 6 caught 1 v New Zealand Hamilton
58 188 99 9 0 58.58 6 bowled 2 v England Lord's
65 140 108 8 1 60.18 6 lbw 1 v England Manchester
119 270 217 20 0 54.83 3 caught 2 v Bangladesh Chittagong
53 164 129 4 0 41.08 3 caught 1 v West Indies Sharjah
153 413 291 15 1 52.57 3 caught 1 v West Indies Sharjah
71 204 167 6 0 42.51 3 caught 3 v West Indies Sharjah
46 90 66 8 1 69.69 3 bowled 1 v Sri Lanka Lahore
58 82 62 13 0 93.54 4 caught 2 v Australia Colombo (PSS)
51 200 130 6 0 39.23 4 lbw 4 v Australia Colombo (PSS)
40 130 77 5 0 51.94 3 caught 1 v Zimbabwe Harare
52 233 169 7 0 30.76 3 lbw 2 v Zimbabwe Bulawayo
46 161 123 5 0 37.39 3 lbw 2 v South Africa Cape Town
34 84 50 4 0 68.00 5 caught 2 v Bangladesh Multan
124 318 215 12 1 57.67 3 caught 2 v Sri Lanka Karachi
42 138 99 5 0 42.42 3 caught 2 v Australia Perth
87 217 157 11 0 55.41 4 caught 1 v Australia Melbourne
46 85 67 6 0 68.65 3 caught 1 v Australia Sydney
44 154 102 5 0 43.13 3 lbw 3 v Australia Sydney


Now these are 24 33+ scores compared to Malik,s 20 in same number of games.

6 100s. 3 v SL 1 each v WI/BD/NZ.2 in Pak 1 each in NZ/Sharjah/SL/BD.

10 50s.3 v Aus 2 v WI/Eng 1 each v NZ/SL/BD.2 each in Eng/SL/Sharjah 1 each in Aus/NZ/Zim/Pak.

6 40s. 3 v Aus in Aus 1 v SA in SA 1 v Zim in Zim 1 v SL at home.

2 33+ 1 v NZ in NZ 1 v BD at home.

5 out of 24 33+ scores are at home 19 away from home.
12 out 24 out of asia.


33+ 43.3%.
40+ 32.7%.
50+ 29%.
100+ 11%.


20.8% at home.
50% in Asia.
50% outside Asia.


Now Anwaar sahab look at these figures and tell me who is more consistent.I set the bar low to accomodate Malik,s low average we could have set a high figure(40).

Please keep in mind YK played 6 tests against warne/Mcgrath and 3 against WI greats compared to Maliks one test against great Aus attack.

 

[saeed-sohail]

Anwaar sahab kahan ho? Preparing some fancy graphs?

 

[Black Zero]

Originally Posted by Anwaar
Player 1: 30, 40, 50, 60, 70
Player 2: 30, 30, 30, 30, 31

P1: Avg: 50, SD 15.81, CoV: .32
P2: Avg: 30.2, SD .45, CoV: .02

P1 as Avg of P2 is below cutoff ~35


Player 1: 30, 40, 50, 60, 70
Player 3: 41, 41, 41, 41, 41

P3: Avg: 41, SD 0, CoV: 0

Here, I'll take P3 as there are 20% chance that P1 may hurt team cause of one sample below cutoff.
Good night.


So Mr Anwaar Malik is more consistent over his 32 matches then YK despite YK scoring 6 100s to Maliks 2?Because he scores his average score more often eh?Lets look into it.


Malik,s 33+ scores in 32 tests career.


47 159 113 7 0 41.59 6 bowled 2 v South Africa Lahore
48 105 81 7 0 59.25 6 run out 2 v Sri Lanka Faisalabad
59 215 177 11 0 33.33 6 caught 4 v Sri Lanka Faisalabad
44 117 81 5 0 54.32 7 lbw 2 v Sri Lanka Karachi
53* 109 60 6 1 88.33 5 not out 4 v Sri Lanka Karachi
41 126 89 4 2 46.06 6 caught 3 v Australia Melbourne
64 121 79 8 0 81.01 1 caught 3 v West Indies Kingston
39 116 71 5 0 54.92 1 lbw 1 v England Multan
59 183 145 7 1 40.68 1 caught 1 v India Lahore
148* 488 369 21 2 40.10 1 not out 4 v Sri Lanka Colombo (SSC)
69 192 155 10 1 44.51 6 caught 2 v West Indies Lahore
42 - 62 7 0 67.74 6 caught 1 v West Indies Multan
73 227 170 6 1 42.94 6 stumped 2 v South Africa Karachi
56 218 168 7 0 33.33 4 run out 2 v Sri Lanka Karachi
38 101 71 4 0 53.52 7 bowled 2 v Sri Lanka Galle
39* 131 88 5 0 44.31 6 not out 1 v Sri Lanka Colombo
45 99 70 7 0 64.28 6 lbw 1 v Sri Lanka Colombo
134 372 240 13 2 55.83 6 caught 3 v Sri Lanka
58 181 144 10 0 40.27 6 caught 2 v Australia Hobart
38 92 53 6 0 71.69 6 caught 2 v England Nottingham


Now these are 20 33+ scores in 32 matches.If you break them down.

2 100s v SL in SL.

8 50s.3 v SL 2 v WI 1 v Ind/SA/Aus.6 at home 1 each in Aus and WI.

6 40s. 3 v SL 1 each v Aus/SA/WI.1 in Aus/SL 4 at home.

4 30s.2 v SL 1 each v Eng/Aus.2 in SL 1 each in Aus/Eng.

10 0ut 20 at home another 5 in SL and 5 out of asia.

30+ 37%
40+ 29.6%
50+ 18.5%
100+ 3.7%

50% at home.
75% in Asia.
25% outside Asia.


YK,s 33+ scores in his first 32 tests.

107 322 250 11 0 42.80 7 caught 3 v Sri Lanka Rawalpindi
61 136 104 8 1 58.65 7 caught 3 v Sri Lanka Karachi
116 363 281 9 1 41.28 6 caught 2 v Sri Lanka Galle
91 176 138 14 2 65.94 5 caught 1 v New Zealand Auckland
149* 253 182 14 4 81.86 6 not out 3 v New Zealand Auckland
36 84 57 5 0 63.15 6 caught 1 v New Zealand Hamilton
58 188 99 9 0 58.58 6 bowled 2 v England Lord's
65 140 108 8 1 60.18 6 lbw 1 v England Manchester
119 270 217 20 0 54.83 3 caught 2 v Bangladesh Chittagong
53 164 129 4 0 41.08 3 caught 1 v West Indies Sharjah
153 413 291 15 1 52.57 3 caught 1 v West Indies Sharjah
71 204 167 6 0 42.51 3 caught 3 v West Indies Sharjah
46 90 66 8 1 69.69 3 bowled 1 v Sri Lanka Lahore
58 82 62 13 0 93.54 4 caught 2 v Australia Colombo (PSS)
51 200 130 6 0 39.23 4 lbw 4 v Australia Colombo (PSS)
40 130 77 5 0 51.94 3 caught 1 v Zimbabwe Harare
52 233 169 7 0 30.76 3 lbw 2 v Zimbabwe Bulawayo
46 161 123 5 0 37.39 3 lbw 2 v South Africa Cape Town
34 84 50 4 0 68.00 5 caught 2 v Bangladesh Multan
124 318 215 12 1 57.67 3 caught 2 v Sri Lanka Karachi
42 138 99 5 0 42.42 3 caught 2 v Australia Perth
87 217 157 11 0 55.41 4 caught 1 v Australia Melbourne
46 85 67 6 0 68.65 3 caught 1 v Australia Sydney
44 154 102 5 0 43.13 3 lbw 3 v Australia Sydney


Now these are 24 33+ scores compared to Malik,s 20 in same number of games.

6 100s. 3 v SL 1 each v WI/BD/NZ.2 in Pak 1 each in NZ/Sharjah/SL/BD.

10 50s.3 v Aus 2 v WI/Eng 1 each v NZ/SL/BD.2 each in Eng/SL/Sharjah 1 each in Aus/NZ/Zim/Pak.

6 40s. 3 v Aus in Aus 1 v SA in SA 1 v Zim in Zim 1 v SL at home.

2 33+ 1 v NZ in NZ 1 v BD at home.

5 out of 24 33+ scores are at home 19 away from home.
12 out 24 out of asia.


33+ 43.3%.
40+ 32.7%.
50+ 29%.
100+ 11%.


20.8% at home.
50% in Asia.
50% outside Asia.


Now Anwaar sahab look at these figures and tell me who is more consistent.I set the bar low to accomodate Malik,s low average we could have set a high figure(40).

Please keep in mind YK played 6 tests against warne/Mcgrath and 3 against WI greats compared to Maliks one test against great Aus attack.

Give us the complete picture...ok let me convey (though little old data)


YK failed to cross 5 over 25%
YK failed to cross 10 about 40%
YK failed to cross 25 over 50% (doesn't seem consistent to me)



35-39 YK 2% Malik 6%
40-44 YK 2% Malik 6%
45-49 both 4%


in 30-35 range YK made 2.5% of his career

Note: Consistent does not mean greater than 33.
It means that one is unreliable, would score big in one and then series of low and then big. In this way harming team most of the times.

 

[Black Zero]

Originally Posted by Anwaar
Player 1: 30, 40, 50, 60, 70
Player 2: 30, 30, 30, 30, 31

P1: Avg: 50, SD 15.81, CoV: .32
P2: Avg: 30.2, SD .45, CoV: .02

P1 as Avg of P2 is below cutoff ~35


Player 1: 30, 40, 50, 60, 70
Player 3: 41, 41, 41, 41, 41

P3: Avg: 41, SD 0, CoV: 0

Here, I'll take P3 as there are 20% chance that P1 may hurt team cause of one sample below cutoff.
Good night.


So Mr Anwaar Malik is more consistent over his 32 matches then YK despite YK scoring 6 100s to Maliks 2?Because he scores his average score more often eh?Lets look into it.


Malik,s 33+ scores in 32 tests career.


47 159 113 7 0 41.59 6 bowled 2 v South Africa Lahore
48 105 81 7 0 59.25 6 run out 2 v Sri Lanka Faisalabad
59 215 177 11 0 33.33 6 caught 4 v Sri Lanka Faisalabad
44 117 81 5 0 54.32 7 lbw 2 v Sri Lanka Karachi
53* 109 60 6 1 88.33 5 not out 4 v Sri Lanka Karachi
41 126 89 4 2 46.06 6 caught 3 v Australia Melbourne
64 121 79 8 0 81.01 1 caught 3 v West Indies Kingston
39 116 71 5 0 54.92 1 lbw 1 v England Multan
59 183 145 7 1 40.68 1 caught 1 v India Lahore
148* 488 369 21 2 40.10 1 not out 4 v Sri Lanka Colombo (SSC)
69 192 155 10 1 44.51 6 caught 2 v West Indies Lahore
42 - 62 7 0 67.74 6 caught 1 v West Indies Multan
73 227 170 6 1 42.94 6 stumped 2 v South Africa Karachi
56 218 168 7 0 33.33 4 run out 2 v Sri Lanka Karachi
38 101 71 4 0 53.52 7 bowled 2 v Sri Lanka Galle
39* 131 88 5 0 44.31 6 not out 1 v Sri Lanka Colombo
45 99 70 7 0 64.28 6 lbw 1 v Sri Lanka Colombo
134 372 240 13 2 55.83 6 caught 3 v Sri Lanka
58 181 144 10 0 40.27 6 caught 2 v Australia Hobart
38 92 53 6 0 71.69 6 caught 2 v England Nottingham


Now these are 20 33+ scores in 32 matches.If you break them down.

2 100s v SL in SL.

8 50s.3 v SL 2 v WI 1 v Ind/SA/Aus.6 at home 1 each in Aus and WI.

6 40s. 3 v SL 1 each v Aus/SA/WI.1 in Aus/SL 4 at home.

4 30s.2 v SL 1 each v Eng/Aus.2 in SL 1 each in Aus/Eng.

10 0ut 20 at home another 5 in SL and 5 out of asia.

30+ 37%
40+ 29.6%
50+ 18.5%
100+ 3.7%

50% at home.
75% in Asia.
25% outside Asia.


YK,s 33+ scores in his first 32 tests.

107 322 250 11 0 42.80 7 caught 3 v Sri Lanka Rawalpindi
61 136 104 8 1 58.65 7 caught 3 v Sri Lanka Karachi
116 363 281 9 1 41.28 6 caught 2 v Sri Lanka Galle
91 176 138 14 2 65.94 5 caught 1 v New Zealand Auckland
149* 253 182 14 4 81.86 6 not out 3 v New Zealand Auckland
36 84 57 5 0 63.15 6 caught 1 v New Zealand Hamilton
58 188 99 9 0 58.58 6 bowled 2 v England Lord's
65 140 108 8 1 60.18 6 lbw 1 v England Manchester
119 270 217 20 0 54.83 3 caught 2 v Bangladesh Chittagong
53 164 129 4 0 41.08 3 caught 1 v West Indies Sharjah
153 413 291 15 1 52.57 3 caught 1 v West Indies Sharjah
71 204 167 6 0 42.51 3 caught 3 v West Indies Sharjah
46 90 66 8 1 69.69 3 bowled 1 v Sri Lanka Lahore
58 82 62 13 0 93.54 4 caught 2 v Australia Colombo (PSS)
51 200 130 6 0 39.23 4 lbw 4 v Australia Colombo (PSS)
40 130 77 5 0 51.94 3 caught 1 v Zimbabwe Harare
52 233 169 7 0 30.76 3 lbw 2 v Zimbabwe Bulawayo
46 161 123 5 0 37.39 3 lbw 2 v South Africa Cape Town
34 84 50 4 0 68.00 5 caught 2 v Bangladesh Multan
124 318 215 12 1 57.67 3 caught 2 v Sri Lanka Karachi
42 138 99 5 0 42.42 3 caught 2 v Australia Perth
87 217 157 11 0 55.41 4 caught 1 v Australia Melbourne
46 85 67 6 0 68.65 3 caught 1 v Australia Sydney
44 154 102 5 0 43.13 3 lbw 3 v Australia Sydney


Now these are 24 33+ scores compared to Malik,s 20 in same number of games.

6 100s. 3 v SL 1 each v WI/BD/NZ.2 in Pak 1 each in NZ/Sharjah/SL/BD.

10 50s.3 v Aus 2 v WI/Eng 1 each v NZ/SL/BD.2 each in Eng/SL/Sharjah 1 each in Aus/NZ/Zim/Pak.

6 40s. 3 v Aus in Aus 1 v SA in SA 1 v Zim in Zim 1 v SL at home.

2 33+ 1 v NZ in NZ 1 v BD at home.

5 out of 24 33+ scores are at home 19 away from home.
12 out 24 out of asia.


33+ 43.3%.
40+ 32.7%.
50+ 29%.
100+ 11%.


20.8% at home.
50% in Asia.
50% outside Asia.


Now Anwaar sahab look at these figures and tell me who is more consistent.I set the bar low to accomodate Malik,s low average we could have set a high figure(40).

Please keep in mind YK played 6 tests against warne/Mcgrath and 3 against WI greats compared to Maliks one test against great Aus attack.

32 test 54 innings 6 NO...so completed innings for Malik 48
32 tests 55 innings 2 NOs ...so completed innings 53 for YK...

last two innings YK made 40+

Bohat heera pheeri karnay ki kosshish ki ...I didn't expect that from you ..SS...

 

[saeed-sohail]

Give us the complete picture...ok let me convey (though little old data)


YK failed to cross 5 over 25%
YK failed to cross 10 about 40%
YK failed to cross 25 over 50% (doesn't seem consistent to me)



35-39 YK 2% Malik 6%
40-44 YK 2% Malik 6%
45-49 both 4%


in 30-35 range YK made 2.5% of his career

Note: Consistent does not mean greater than 33.
It means that one is unreliable, would score big in one and then series of low and then big. In this way harming team most of the times.

You were arguing YKs average of 39 after 32 games was inflated now I have proven he passes 30/40/50 more often then Malik and then converts them into 100s more often.My friend 33 is a failure in my book 40 was a more reasonable number but then Malik would have suffered even more.
As for 5s 10s 15s they are all failures for frontline batsmen but for a tailender like malik it might be a sign of consistency.

 

[saeed-sohail]

32 test 54 innings 6 NO...so completed innings for Malik 48
32 tests 55 innings 2 NOs ...so completed innings 53 for YK...

last two innings YK made 40+

Bohat heera pheeri karnay ki kosshish ki ...I didn't expect that from you ..SS...

Same number of games one more innings that I took into account.We are not looking at averages so not outs dont matter.Its about being consistent scoring 30/40+.

 

[saeed-sohail]

Its time you give because after these 32 tests YK.

filtered 2005-2010 33 59 6 3349 313 63.18 5963 56.16 11 11

 

[Black Zero]

Same number of games one more innings that I took into account.We are not looking at averages so not outs dont matter.Its about being consistent scoring 30/40+.

NO does matters...SM three innings you took account in comparison 8*, 23*, 20* (potential to cross 30 so we have to remove that and check ratio) (While YK 32* and 149*)

Plus we have to remove 55th innings of YK...(as SM played only 54)

 

[Black Zero]

Its time you give because after these 32 tests YK.

filtered 2005-2010 33 59 6 3349 313 63.18 5963 56.16 11 11

I promised before and would repeat that after 58 tests SM would have 44+ average (and with lot less eggs)

 

[saeed-sohail]

NO does matters...SM three innings you took account in comparison 8*, 23*, 20* (potential to cross 30 so we have to remove that and check ratio) (While YK 32* and 149*)

Plus we have to remove 55th innings of YK...(as SM played only 54)

Should we take 134* out as well?

 

[Black Zero]

Same number of games one more innings that I took into account.We are not looking at averages so not outs dont matter.Its about being consistent scoring 30/40+.

NOs do matters....so in good side YK is only 3 point better than Malik 42% to 45% while in bad side YK is 10+ points riskier.

Q: Who is consistent or
Correct Answer:

 

[Black Zero]

Should we take 134* out as well?

cause it crossed as like 149* of YK

gtg 3am here...

 

[saeed-sohail]

What about these Anwaar?

20.8% at home.
50% in Asia.
50% outside Asia
v
50% at home.
75% in Asia.
25% outside Asia

 

[saeed-sohail]

cause it crossed as like 149* of YK

gtg 3am here...

its 7.50 am here and I am yet to got to bed.

 

[saeed-sohail]

NOs do matters....so in good side YK is only 3 point better than Malik 42% to 45% while in bad side YK is 10+ points riskier.

Q: Who is consistent or
Correct Answer:

I give up.

 

[Black Zero]

I give up.

came back ...to say thank you.

 

[Black Zero]

its 7.50 am here and I am yet to got to bed.

last test you were up for 40 hrs and now up till 7...everything ok?

 

[*sallu*]

I give up.

Finally.

Took you long enough to realize that Malik is Don Bradman reincarnated only failing in modern day cricket because of unfair treatment dished out by Pakistan cricket towards him.

 

[saeed-sohail]

Finally.

Took you long enough to realize that Malik is Don Bradman reincarnated only failing in modern day cricket because of unfair treatment dished out by Pakistan cricket towards him.

I know yaar but better late then never.
Btw have seen my analyses of 32 tests by YK v Malik on previous page.It proves how consistent Malik has been and inflated YK,s average is.

 

[*sallu*]

I know yaar but better late then never.
Btw have seen my analyses of 32 tests by YK v Malik on previous page.It proves how consistent Malik has been and inflated YK,s average is.

Yeah I saw it
Good work to back up Anwaar's point

 

[Easa]

The one valid point Anwaar brought up was that Malik has been shuffled around in the batting order unnecessarily. He was originally a stodgy, gritty number 6 (ala Azhar Ali). He did reasonably well. He was then bunted up to open the batting - an entirely different, more difficult task - and he did it admirably, whatever his technical deficiencies might be. He was given a promotion in England because he had handled the moving ball better than the rest of our jokers, but was dumped after one poor game.

He's definitely not a natural Test cricketer but he has been messed around and that's clear to see.

 

[Bullet Drive]

He is in good form
200 in pakistan

 

[ads101]

scored another century

http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakdomestic-2010/engine/current/match/482749.html


Hopefully he's picked again for the ODI squad.

 

[GOAT]

He still averages only 31 in FC cricket. Get over yourselves, Malik fans.

 

[Black Zero]

he must've hypnotized Sailkot (he's their skipper after all)...to let him score 100...
anyway, now we have to see the wrath of malik towards keeper

 

[saeed-sohail]

Originally Posted by Anwaar
Player 1: 30, 40, 50, 60, 70
Player 2: 30, 30, 30, 30, 31

P1: Avg: 50, SD 15.81, CoV: .32
P2: Avg: 30.2, SD .45, CoV: .02

P1 as Avg of P2 is below cutoff ~35


Player 1: 30, 40, 50, 60, 70
Player 3: 41, 41, 41, 41, 41

P3: Avg: 41, SD 0, CoV: 0

Here, I'll take P3 as there are 20% chance that P1 may hurt team cause of one sample below cutoff.
Good night.


So Mr Anwaar Malik is more consistent over his 32 matches then YK despite YK scoring 6 100s to Maliks 2?Because he scores his average score more often eh?Lets look into it.


Malik,s 33+ scores in 32 tests career.


47 159 113 7 0 41.59 6 bowled 2 v South Africa Lahore
48 105 81 7 0 59.25 6 run out 2 v Sri Lanka Faisalabad
59 215 177 11 0 33.33 6 caught 4 v Sri Lanka Faisalabad
44 117 81 5 0 54.32 7 lbw 2 v Sri Lanka Karachi
53* 109 60 6 1 88.33 5 not out 4 v Sri Lanka Karachi
41 126 89 4 2 46.06 6 caught 3 v Australia Melbourne
64 121 79 8 0 81.01 1 caught 3 v West Indies Kingston
39 116 71 5 0 54.92 1 lbw 1 v England Multan
59 183 145 7 1 40.68 1 caught 1 v India Lahore
148* 488 369 21 2 40.10 1 not out 4 v Sri Lanka Colombo (SSC)
69 192 155 10 1 44.51 6 caught 2 v West Indies Lahore
42 - 62 7 0 67.74 6 caught 1 v West Indies Multan
73 227 170 6 1 42.94 6 stumped 2 v South Africa Karachi
56 218 168 7 0 33.33 4 run out 2 v Sri Lanka Karachi
38 101 71 4 0 53.52 7 bowled 2 v Sri Lanka Galle
39* 131 88 5 0 44.31 6 not out 1 v Sri Lanka Colombo
45 99 70 7 0 64.28 6 lbw 1 v Sri Lanka Colombo
134 372 240 13 2 55.83 6 caught 3 v Sri Lanka
58 181 144 10 0 40.27 6 caught 2 v Australia Hobart
38 92 53 6 0 71.69 6 caught 2 v England Nottingham


Now these are 20 33+ scores in 32 matches.If you break them down.

2 100s v SL in SL.

8 50s.3 v SL 2 v WI 1 v Ind/SA/Aus.6 at home 1 each in Aus and WI.

6 40s. 3 v SL 1 each v Aus/SA/WI.1 in Aus/SL 4 at home.

4 30s.2 v SL 1 each v Eng/Aus.2 in SL 1 each in Aus/Eng.

10 0ut 20 at home another 5 in SL and 5 out of asia.

30+ 37%
40+ 29.6%
50+ 18.5%
100+ 3.7%

50% at home.
75% in Asia.
25% outside Asia.


YK,s 33+ scores in his first 32 tests.

107 322 250 11 0 42.80 7 caught 3 v Sri Lanka Rawalpindi
61 136 104 8 1 58.65 7 caught 3 v Sri Lanka Karachi
116 363 281 9 1 41.28 6 caught 2 v Sri Lanka Galle
91 176 138 14 2 65.94 5 caught 1 v New Zealand Auckland
149* 253 182 14 4 81.86 6 not out 3 v New Zealand Auckland
36 84 57 5 0 63.15 6 caught 1 v New Zealand Hamilton
58 188 99 9 0 58.58 6 bowled 2 v England Lord's
65 140 108 8 1 60.18 6 lbw 1 v England Manchester
119 270 217 20 0 54.83 3 caught 2 v Bangladesh Chittagong
53 164 129 4 0 41.08 3 caught 1 v West Indies Sharjah
153 413 291 15 1 52.57 3 caught 1 v West Indies Sharjah
71 204 167 6 0 42.51 3 caught 3 v West Indies Sharjah
46 90 66 8 1 69.69 3 bowled 1 v Sri Lanka Lahore
58 82 62 13 0 93.54 4 caught 2 v Australia Colombo (PSS)
51 200 130 6 0 39.23 4 lbw 4 v Australia Colombo (PSS)
40 130 77 5 0 51.94 3 caught 1 v Zimbabwe Harare
52 233 169 7 0 30.76 3 lbw 2 v Zimbabwe Bulawayo
46 161 123 5 0 37.39 3 lbw 2 v South Africa Cape Town
34 84 50 4 0 68.00 5 caught 2 v Bangladesh Multan
124 318 215 12 1 57.67 3 caught 2 v Sri Lanka Karachi
42 138 99 5 0 42.42 3 caught 2 v Australia Perth
87 217 157 11 0 55.41 4 caught 1 v Australia Melbourne
46 85 67 6 0 68.65 3 caught 1 v Australia Sydney
44 154 102 5 0 43.13 3 lbw 3 v Australia Sydney


Now these are 24 33+ scores compared to Malik,s 20 in same number of games.

6 100s. 3 v SL 1 each v WI/BD/NZ.2 in Pak 1 each in NZ/Sharjah/SL/BD.

10 50s.3 v Aus 2 v WI/Eng 1 each v NZ/SL/BD.2 each in Eng/SL/Sharjah 1 each in Aus/NZ/Zim/Pak.

6 40s. 3 v Aus in Aus 1 v SA in SA 1 v Zim in Zim 1 v SL at home.

2 33+ 1 v NZ in NZ 1 v BD at home.

5 out of 24 33+ scores are at home 19 away from home.
12 out 24 out of asia.


33+ 43.3%.
40+ 32.7%.
50+ 29%.
100+ 11%.


20.8% at home.
50% in Asia.
50% outside Asia.


Now Anwaar sahab look at these figures and tell me who is more consistent.I set the bar low to accomodate Malik,s low average we could have set a high figure(40).

Please keep in mind YK played 6 tests against warne/Mcgrath and 3 against WI greats compared to Maliks one test against great Aus attack.

Malik fans a must read for you guys.

 

[Black Zero]

Malik fans a must read for you guys.

You showing YK's trait:
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=3168617&postcount=1763

P.S: you wanted 2 100s, Malik provided 200, 100 and 50 in 3 innings...
and as per Sallu's commitment he is with me now to demand his inclusion in all format.

 

[ballack13]

mashallah great knock by malik once again he needs to come back

Cuptaan Malik on his way back

Kami needs mentioning aswell on 135 not out

 

[saeed-sohail]

Bad news for malik fans.Azhar have made #3 his own and misbah YK are back leaving one place that belongs to yousaf with asad and Umar knocking on the door.There is no chance of him coming back in test team.

 

[saeed-sohail]

You showing YK's trait:
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=3168617&postcount=1763

P.S: you wanted 2 100s, Malik provided 200, 100 and 50 in 3 innings...
and as per Sallu's commitment he is with me now to demand his inclusion in all format.

Where will you fit him in?