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Should Malik be in the plans for the 2019 WC?

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Riff said:
Afridi has stated that he doesnt want Malik in the side because he disrupts team :quote:unity:quote:, but that was before World Cup, so I dont know whether he still thinks like this, probably does.
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Afridi wanted Mallik , but Malik did not get cleared
 
saeed-sohail said:
Pakistan ODI batting stats since Oct 1st 2009.

Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s

Misbah-ul-Haq 16 13 2 523 93* 47.54 729 71.74 0 5 1 31 5

Fawad Alam 13 13 2 393 64 35.72 532 73.87 0 3 0 19 0

Imran Farhat 4 4 0 140 66 35.00 212 66.03 0 1 0 10 2

Mohammad Hafeez 24 24 2 751 115 34.13 970 77.42 1 4 1 91 5

Shahzaib Hasan 3 3 0 100 50 33.33 113 88.49 0 1 0 13 2

Umar Akmal 31 29 2 885 71 32.77 1091 81.11 0 6 2 64 12

Khalid Latif 4 4 0 128 64 32.00 186 68.81 0 1 1 11 0

Abdul Razzaq 28 25 8 534 109* 31.41 526 101.52 1 1 1 46 19

Kamran Akmal 31 29 2 847 89 31.37 1016 83.36 0 6 0 95 12

Asad Shafiq 16 15 1 420 78* 30.00 597 70.35 0 2 1 40 1

Imran Nazir 1 1 0 28 28 28.00 40 70.00 0 0 0 6 0

Salman Butt 10 10 0 266 74 26.60 351 75.78 0 3 4 36 0

Shahid Afridi 37 35 0 931 124 26.60 678 137.31 2 2 2 81 39

Ahmed Shehzad 10 10 1 232 115 25.77 273 84.98 1 0 1 30 5

Sohail Tanvir 5 3 1 50 30 25.00 54 92.59 0 0 0 9 0

Zulqarnain Haider 4 4 2 48 19* 24.00 68 70.58 0 0 0 3 0

Mohammad Yousuf 14 14 0 315 58 22.50 480 65.62 0 1 0 22
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Younis Khan 29 27 1 570 73 21.92 927 61.48 0 4 4 30 0

Shoaib Malik 9 9 0 179 39 19.88 271 66.05 0 0 0 13 1
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What happened on Oct 1st, 2009?
 
I do not want Kamran Akmal, Mohammad Yousf and Shoaib Malik in the Pakistan Cricket team.
 
saeed-sohail said:
No need to recycle the same old rubbish.Fresh faces please.Asad and Umar looked our best and most fluent batsmen today and more new blood needs to be introduced.



We made the same mistake with YK.Stats dont lie.Malik has been pathetic since CT knock against India and we need to move forward.
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That Knock was the rare win against India in an ICC tournament.
Malik could have been the difference.

In AC, Malik was the most sure player from both sides (I guess that was also his last match for Pakistan).

Time to go back to sanity.
 
Badsha said:
We don't need Shoaib Malik.

We should create a team which can dominate on any pitch but there is another factor that Shoaib Malik would be completely useless in Australia.

*fast bowling pitches
*Imagine him facing the fast bowlers.
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Pakistan is not going to dominate in Aus anytime soon...as they failed miserably with superior batsmen.

Need to set the criteria correct.
 
This should be our team I think

1. Mohammed Hafeez
2. Azhar Ali
3. Shoaib Malik
4. Asad Shafiq
5. Misbah Ul Haq
6. Umar Akmal
7. Shahid Afridi
8. Adnan Akmal (or some other keeper)
9. Wahab Riaz
10. Umar Gul
11. Saeed Ajmal (or Junaid Khan depending on the pitch conditions)
 
It's crazy to think how strong our batting line up could be if only Malik was selected!!
 
fireworks11 said:
Well, he could open in Tests. Surely a much better bet than Farhat.
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Hafeez is our test opener at the moment. Taufeeq is doing a good job and deserves to stay at the moment.

I feel Hafeez should concentrate on just limited overs for now, and dropped from the Test team. Azhar should be promoted to opener and YK back to no.3.

Hence creating an extra available spot which I would give to Mohammed Yousuf. When he retires (or selectors don't pick him), I'd like umar akmal to be given a shot at tests again.

Time to pump young blood into the side. Malik was a quality ODI player hence played many ODIs, but never really was good enough for tests. Better give youngsters a chance now.
 
fireworks11 said:
Azhar Ali is a middle order player. No need to force him to open.
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He's playing at no.3. Which is kind of top order, especially since wicket usually falls pretty early. He plays as an opener in domestic. I'm sure he'd probably prefer to open anyway. Only reason he was playing at no.3 before was the fact that younis wasn't there and farhat and butt were the openers. Now younis is back and Hafeez I don't think looks like a good test prospect, might as well give him back his natural position, opening.

The way Azhar bats, it's much more like an opener than middle order player anyway. He looks better against pace too.
 
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ads101 said:
Hafeez is our test opener at the moment. Taufeeq is doing a good job and deserves to stay at the moment.

I feel Hafeez should concentrate on just limited overs for now, and dropped from the Test team. Azhar should be promoted to opener and YK back to no.3.

Hence creating an extra available spot which I would give to Mohammed Yousuf. When he retires (or selectors don't pick him), I'd like umar akmal to be given a shot at tests again.

Time to pump young blood into the side. Malik was a quality ODI player hence played many ODIs, but never really was good enough for tests. Better give youngsters a chance now.
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In an ideal world. YK and Yousuf should be at 3 & 4 in the Test team. Shoaib should open insead of Hafeez, he had a very good record as an opener in Tests. He is not old, still has a wealth of talent to offer the side, in ODIs and Tests.
 
Malik is a cancer in the dressing room and doesn't deserve to come close to the team, time to persist with youngsters and forget about shady characters like Malik.

As far as his fans are concern..................

cry-me-a-river.jpg
 
ads101 said:
He's playing at no.3. Which is kind of top order, especially since wicket usually falls pretty early. He plays as an opener in domestic. I'm sure he'd probably prefer to open anyway. Only reason he was playing at no.3 before was the fact that younis wasn't there and farhat and butt were the openers. Now younis is back and Hafeez I don't think looks like a good test prospect, might as well give him back his natural position, opening.

The way Azhar bats, it's much more like an opener than middle order player anyway. He looks better against pace too.
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He should come in at 4, after YK. Need a solid player in the middle order to keep the dazzling Umar Akmal in check.
 
Khan6575 said:
Malik is a cancer in the dressing room and doesn't deserve to come close to the team, time to persist with youngsters and forget about shady characters like Malik.

As far as his fans are concern..................

cry-me-a-river.jpg
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thats disgraceful, the bloke was talking about his father who had passed away.

one should think twice before making such kind of cheap jokes.
 
Khan6575 said:
Malik is a cancer in the dressing room and doesn't deserve to come close to the team, time to persist with youngsters and forget about shady characters like Malik.

As far as his fans are concern..................

cry-me-a-river.jpg
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Why so harsh?
 
AZ said:
thats disgraceful, the bloke was talking about his father who had passed away.

one should think twice before making such kind of cheap jokes.
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How does my post disrespects his father? I have not made fun of him crying have I? All I can say to you is take a chill pill and face the reality Malik will never represent Pakistan again. He is history now.
 
Malik should have been in WC squad ahead of Misbah and Younus khan and should have been selected for WI LOI. In test no need of Malik .But looks like big Butt doesnt like him anymore
 
Khan6575 said:
How does my post disrespects his father? I have not made fun of him crying have I? All I can say to you is take a chill pill and face the reality Malik will never represent Pakistan again. He is history now.
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mocking his image of when he was in a tearful and clearly distressed state?

you have no qualms with that?
 
Malik's Domestic First Class Record this season:

Played 6 Matches:

Batting: 799 Runs at an Average of 88.77. (Highest Score: 200, 4 Centuries, 2 Fifties).

Bowling: 16 wickets at an Average of 19.31.

Make your own mind up.
 
fireworks11 said:
He should come in at 4, after YK. Need a solid player in the middle order to keep the dazzling Umar Akmal in check.
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Umar akmal isn't in the test team anyway.

Misbah is doing fine at 4/5 anyway in tests. Asad Shafiq is doing fine at 5/6 too.

There is no space for Malik in this test team. Someone has to fail and be dropped to bring him back in.

At the moment the batsman with the least secure playing spot is Hafeez. And if a spot comes available, Yousuf really should be first in line and then umar akmal.
 
ads101 said:
Umar akmal isn't in the test team anyway.

Misbah is doing fine at 4/5 anyway in tests. Asad Shafiq is doing fine at 5/6 too.

There is no space for Malik in this test team. Someone has to fail and be dropped to bring him back in.

At the moment the batsman with the least secure playing spot is Hafeez. And if a spot comes available, Yousuf really should be first in line and then umar akmal.
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Shoaib's a good player to fall back to should one of the others fail. Yousuf seems unlikely to be picked. He really should be in the team. Just wait till the Test Squad is announced, only then will we have a broader picture.
 
fireworks11 said:
Shoaib's a good player to fall back to should one of the others fail. Yousuf seems unlikely to be picked. He really should be in the team. Just wait till the Test Squad is announced, only then will we have a broader picture.
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Even then there's umar akmal, and then other youngsters performing in domestic cricket like Usman, Naved Yasin etc. Plenty of options.

Maybe he could be in the squad, but quite frankly I'd rather he focus on getting back into limited overs. That was the format he was good in. Once he's re cemented his place back in limited overs, maybe he can push for a test place again. But he's far more important to us in ODIs.
 
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ads101 said:
Which is why he should only playing limited overs too.

Bits and pieces players are good for ODIs and T20s. Not needed for tests.
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Yes. Hafeez had a shocking time in NZ. Scored 42 runs in 4 innings. Picked up only 2 wickets. He should not really wear the whites.
 
ads101 said:
Even then there's umar akmal, and then other youngsters performing in domestic cricket like Usman, Naved Yasin etc. Plenty of options.

Maybe he could be in the squad, but quite frankly I'd rather he focus on getting back into limited overs. That was the format he was good in. Once he's re cemented his place back in limited overs, maybe he can push for a test place again. But he's far more important to us in ODIs.
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Yes. It's highly unlikely that he'll get recalled to the Test Team without getting recalled to the ODI Team first. In any case, he should be in the team in place of Hafeez.
 
Basit Ali said last week 'I have said it before and I'll say it again that Malik is Pakistan's best ODI Batsman' and You know Basit Ali is always right!
 
Black Zero said:
Malik is best pakistani odi batsman after inzi
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Care to explain how & why Malik is Pakistan's best ODI batsman since the departure of Inzamam? I'd love to know your "valid reasons."

And I guess Malik is a better batsman then Moyo in ODI's too then... Right?
 
Theo_14 said:
And I guess Malik is a better batsman then Moyo in ODI's too then... Right?
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ATM? Hell yeah, and overall you can compare them as well!


on side-note, who will be the 100th person to vote for Malik!
 
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Good to see this great thread bumped. Malik is never given the credit he deserves as an ODI player because of other issues. And whats worse is that people dont even have the courage to admit that :facepalm:
 
Riff said:
Good to see this great thread bumped. Malik is never given the credit he deserves as an ODI player because of other issues. And whats worse is that people dont have the courage to even admit that :facepalm:
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yes and people have issues like 'why is this thread being bumped'!
 
emclub said:
ATM? Hell yeah, and overall you can compare them as well!
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ATM? How can you say Malik is better then Moyo at the moment when they both haven't played International cricket for over 4-5 months now?

And don't even compare their domestic performances because Malik is playing on sub continent pitches which Moyo dominated on before the World cup and there's Moyo who's playing county level cricket in tough conditions.

Moyo >>> Malik.
 
Yousuf is pure class, one of the greatest Pak batsmen of all time. He can't really be compared with Malik.
 
Theo_14 said:
... And yet Malik will never reach the class of M. Yousuf ;-)
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This is exactly what I dont understand. Yes Moyo is a better batsmen than Malik, but the man is 36. You think he would be fit enough for WC 2015?

On the other hand, Malik is at his peak age of 29. Statistically a better batsmen than the likes of Afridi and Hafeez. Also, a useful bowler and a good fielder. But yet he cant find a spot in the side. People need to put the other issues aside, and admit that he's an asset in the limited version of the game.
 
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emclub said:
we know that, but right now we need Malik not Moyo's class, class is too old now! :inti :rana :moyo
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Just because Moyo is old, it does not mean the class will fade away... Yes he may lack a yard or two in his pace but apart from that... The class will remain there until Moyo decides to retire :misbah

Riff said:
This is exactly what I dont understand. Yes Moyo is a better batsmen than Malik, but the man is 36. You think he would be fit enough for WC 2015?
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Who here is discussing about a World cup which is going to happen in 4 years time?

"Right now" I'd have Moyo over Malik. If you know your cricket then I don't need to explain my reasons on why I'd currently have Moyo over Malik.

Statistically a better batsmen than the likes of Afridi and Hafeez. Also, a useful bowler and a good fielder.
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He may statistically be better then Hafeez and Afridi but in terms of form... Hafeez has been excellent, especially in 2011.

As for Afridi - he's in no man's land and is a better bowler then Malik, Afridi just needs to work on his batting.

Hafeez & Afridi both are quality fielders also we have better all rounders coming up, (ie Hammad) - it would be unfair to drop the selected youngsters without giving them a "run of games" and picking Malik who has been performing well on "sub continent" pitches and who has been given many chances in the past where youngsters haven't.

But yet he cant find a spot in the side. People need to put the other issues aside, and admit that he's an asset in the limited version of the game.
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Why should we admit that when he hasn't been given the chance to play for Pakistan in recent series? Not sure how you can label him as a asset when he hasn't even played any International games recently, it's difficult to judge him and then have a verdict without him even playing.
 
Theo_14 said:
Who here is discussing about a World cup which is going to happen in 4 years time?

"Right now" I'd have Moyo over Malik. If you know your cricket then I don't need to explain my reasons on why I'd currently have Moyo over Malik.
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If you're looking for a specialist batsmen as opposed to someone who can add something with the ball and in the field, then fair enough.


Theo_14 said:
He may statistically be better then Hafeez and Afridi but in terms of form... Hafeez has been excellent, especially in 2011.

As for Afridi - he's in no man's land and is a better bowler then Malik, Afridi just needs to work on his batting.


Hafeez & Afridi both are quality fielders also we have better all rounders coming up, (ie Hammad) - it would be unfair to drop the selected youngsters without giving them a "run of games" and picking Malik who has been performing well on "sub continent" pitches and who has been given many chances in the past where youngsters haven't.



Why should we admit that when he hasn't been given the chance to play for Pakistan in recent series? Not sure how you can label him as a asset when he hasn't even played any International games recently, it's difficult to judge him and then have a verdict without him even playing.
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How much longer do we have to wait for his batting to click? :facepalm:

Afridi has been looking like a tail-ender with the bat for quite sometime. Hell even Wahab and Ajmal have shown more potential than him with the bat in the recent series. And since his batting is not there at all, we are basically playing 2 specialist spinners in Afridi and Ajmal. Now this isnt a bad idea in the subcontinent, but whats the logic of playing two in conditions not ideal for spinners. Imo, this team lacks batting depth, so I dont see the need for a bowling all-rounder who cant bat. But since Afridi is the captain he cant be dropped. The team lacks the right balance and guess who can balance it out? :malik
 
W63L35 said:
Anwaar Bhai, can I barrow a quote from a very well respected poster on PP?

With your permission, here you go......please read the last sentence!

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=3209539&postcount=1914
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i don't know how can you deny close relationship and mutual respect btw inzi and Malik...

in this thread, there's clipping of inzi retirement and also Malik's declaring inzi the best captain and stating inzi's compliments about him(Malik).

Inzi made those comments when YK dropped malik in uae in 2009.
 
Black Zero said:
i don't know how can you deny close relationship and mutual respect btw inzi and Malik...
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I am sure Inzi has close relationship and mutual respect btw him and his dad.... yet I am sure his dad has never held a cricket bat in his hand ..!


Black Zero said:
Inzi made those comments when YK dropped malik in uae in 2009.
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..and you are absolutely sure that Inzi didn't make those comments because the love and respect Inzi alway had for YK and vice versa? Remember their fist fight in South Africa?


By the way;
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=3792904&postcount=88
 
W63L35 said:
I am sure Inzi has close relationship and mutual respect btw him and his dad.... yet I am sure his dad has never held a cricket bat in his hand ..!




..and you are absolutely sure that Inzi didn't make those comments because the love and respect Inzi alway had for YK and vice versa? Remember their fist fight in South Africa?


By the way;
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=3792904&postcount=88
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So you implying that Malik is God-Father of Inzi?

I guess you missing the simple fact that Inzi respects Malik as a cricketer as they don't share DNA.

Why don't you see the clip that you posted yourself of malik and tell us what he said about inzi and also tell us about what inzi thinks of Malik.

Thats first hand account...
 
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Black Zero said:
So you implying that Malik is God-Father of Inzi?

I guess you missing the simple fact that Inzi respects Malik as a cricketer as they don't share DNA.

Why don't you see the clip that you posted yourself of malik and tell us what he said about inzi and also tell us about what inzi thinks of Malik.

Thats first hand account...
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My simple point was... that Inzi can think whatever he can of Malik.... does not matter.... only thing matters is what Wudda Butt thinks of Malik. Right now, this is the only thing :ibutt is thinking correctly!



By the way;
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=3788753&postcount=80
 
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Black Zero said:
understand and then recalculate

SL was minnow in Imran's time and WI is minnow now, but not in Imran's time.
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You need to READ carefully because you are not reading as usual. Of course, when a person is a little upset/mad/angery, he tends to get a little blurry eyes! ;-)


Here is what you said (or asked for);
Black Zero said:
could you please remove SL from Imran's stat's? and WI from Afridi's...if you really want to filter out minnows ...
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That's is exactly what I did .... in post #80!
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=3788753&postcount=80

I am reposting the stats the from post #80 but with a little arrows so you can see that I did what you asked for;


Sri Lanka removed from Imran's stats - at your wish:
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West Indies removed from Afridi's stats - at your wish:
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Now, all I want to know is.... what was your point? What did it change? Malik still the best captain as you claim... just because we beat Zim/BD 10-0 at home when he was the captain????
 
ads101 said:
:)))

Oh for goodness sake, how did we miss him? Even the younger players had better averages than him. And umar akmal playing at his position, 6, actually did quite a good job.
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Well you got the result you deserved...
Lost by WI-B team.
 
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