Shoaib Malik Support & Performance Watch

[W63L35]

- Afridi's reluctance/refusal to have him in the team.
(When, where, source please? Most of the times team announced before Afridi was announced captain...e.g. NZ tour, WC, and I think even WI).

- Lack of probable cause & cowardice of PCB.
(brave enough to kick YK and MoYo out of the the team without reason/cause, brave enough to sack Afridi without reason/cause but coward enough to need a reason for Malik's ouster)

Afridi had enough of a say in the first throes of his captaincy, and had made it clear then that he did not want Malik around.

I still can't add 2 and 2 together to come up with 4.

 

[AZ]

- IIRC Afridi gave a 'gentle' warning to Malik before the Asia Cup, but after the Tests in England did not want him in the team at all.

- they have not given any proper reason yet to why Malik is not being picked, has always been lopsided statements...have you not stated before yourself that Malik is well-connected.

 

[W63L35]

- IIRC Afridi gave a 'gentle' warning to Malik before the Asia Cup, but after the Tests in England did not want him in the team at all.

He was dropped rightfully based on performance ...28/29 consecutive failures... and it is mind boggling that PCB did plainly state the performance as the reason for Malik's ouster.
I do not remember reading anything like that... but you could be right I guess.

- they have not given any proper reason yet to why Malik is not being picked, has always been lopsided statements...have you not stated before yourself that Malik is well-connected.

I was merely repeating what had stated that he was pressured to lift the ban on Malik which was imposed after Aus/NZ tour.

All I am saying is... that Afridi never got the team he wanted specially team was announced without his consultation most of the time. He repeated that quite a few times today in his interview.

Only way to find out is .... if Malik comes back for Zimbabwe tour and Afridi does not!

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

He was dropped rightfully based on performance ...28/29 consecutive failures... and it is mind boggling that PCB did plainly state the performance as the reason for Malik's ouster.
I do not remember reading anything like that... but you could be right I guess.


I was merely repeating what had stated that he was pressured to lift the ban on Malik which was imposed after Aus/NZ tour.

All I am saying is... that Afridi never got the team he wanted specially team was announced without his consultation most of the time. He repeated that quite a few times today in his interview.

Only way to find out is .... if Malik comes back for Zimbabwe tour and Afridi does not!

Malik was a good player... shame about politicking.

He will come back now that Afridi has retired!

 

[Black Zero]

Looks like each and everyone who were reason behind Malik's sacking are getting exposed one after another.

- Yawar Saeed and Inti described him loner. (Inti has been a punch bag in urdu media for his report and as Afridi described Inti's character, inti must just hide somewhere).
- MoYo
- YK (he should not have accepted the captaincy after the way pcb sacked jeff and malik as it's a matter of time that his turn wud come)
- Afridi lectured Malik about discipline and for same reason he's out.

Now only big-butt is left and then we will see Malik back as skipper.

It spoiled Malik's one year but still a good bargain in order to get rid of "seniors".

 

[Black Zero]

He was dropped rightfully based on performance ...28/29 consecutive failures... and it is mind boggling that PCB did plainly state the performance as the reason for Malik's ouster.
I do not remember reading anything like that... but you could be right I guess.


I was merely repeating what had stated that he was pressured to lift the ban on Malik which was imposed after Aus/NZ tour.

All I am saying is... that Afridi never got the team he wanted specially team was announced without his consultation most of the time. He repeated that quite a few times today in his interview.

Only way to find out is .... if Malik comes back for Zimbabwe tour and Afridi does not!

Those bans (against yk/moyo/malik) were all sham and had no legal backing...Malik did the right thing. (it's lot better to "perri parna", that what yk did in the end).

Afridi tried but failed (met bilawal, governor sindh, called by sharif).

if ijaz is so angry with malik, why he made malik the captain of punjab/hk6/and issues so many nocs to play around the globe.

if malik is not cleared how could then they are issuing no objection certs????

 

[W63L35]

i don't know how can you deny close relationship and mutual respect btw inzi and Malik...

in this thread, there's clipping of inzi retirement and also Malik's declaring inzi the best captain and stating inzi's compliments about him(Malik).

Inzi made those comments when YK dropped malik in uae in 2009.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=63786

Inzamam regrets supporting Malik as captain
Former captain Inzamam-ul-Haq has lashed out at his successor Shoaib Malik for playing "games" with senior players and for not treating them with respect.

In an unusually candid comments on Malik's captaincy who is already under fire from some quarters, Inzamam said on a talk show hosted by Rameez Raja on Geo Super channel that he didn't think Malik was an intelligent leader.

"He may be an organised and intelligent cricketer but I can't say the same thing about his captaincy," Inzamam said, adding that several senior players had complained him about Malik's behaviour towards them.

"He has not been fair with senior players and has let them down on several occasions. He has not been open and honest with them and they have conveyed their unhappiness to me," Inzamam added.

Regretting that he had strongly supported Malik's selection in Pakistan team while he was captain, Inzamam said, "It is very unfortunate the way Malik has handled his responsibilities as a captain and relations with senior players who need to be treated with respect."

Sources also attributed the shock decision of Mohammad Yousuf to defect to Indian Cricket League to his unhappiness with the way the team management and board had dealt with him since Malik became captain.

Leg spinner, Mushtaq Ahmed on the same show said captaincy was about man-management more then anything else.

"Any captain to be successful must be very good at man management that is what I have seen from the best captains I have played under. A captain needs to support the players in trying circumstances," the former Test spinner said.

Malik's captaincy is due to be reviewed by PCB later this month as his current term runs out on December 31.

 

[Black Zero]

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=63786

clip please?
plus, we know those senior players refused to play under Malik and rebellion was organised by Yawar Saeed.

If Inzi felt for MoYo/Razzaq (Inzi convinced MoYo to join ICL) then I shouldn't be surprised.


From all the Inzi's direct statement, only issue inzi had with Malik was malik's treatment to seniors and tbh this objection has no merit in itself.

Must get rid of this seniority culture.

 

[W63L35]

clip please?
plus, we know those senior players refused to play under Malik and rebellion was organised by Yawar Saeed.

If Inzi felt for MoYo/Razzaq (Inzi convinced MoYo to join ICL) then I shouldn't be surprised.

We also know Malik can do no wrong and the whole world does wrong to Malik. Pooooooor baaaaiby!

From all the Inzi's direct statement, only issue inzi had with Malik was malik's treatment to seniors and tbh this objection has no merit in itself.

So the only statements which show mutual respect between Malik and Inzi hold merit. Everything else Inzi says is bakwaas? Understood sire!

tbh

The day you are honest, I'll stop posting on PP. Won't be fun anymore.

 

[emclub]

Malik was in The Sahir Lodhi Show

some pointers


Question : Hardest bowler you ever faced in Intl Cricket?

Malik : Jason Gillespie

Shahid Afridi = Role Model


http://vidpk.com/56471/Shoaib-Malik--Tasneem-Akhtar-in-The-Sahir-Show-on-Geo-Tv-P-3/

 

[W63L35]

His singing is as good as his batting!

Shahid Afridi = Role Model

Anwaaaaaaaaar Paaaaaaii, ayeeeeeeeee kiiiiii zulam hoooooooo gayaaaaa ayeeeeeeeeee??????????

 

[Fireworks11]

Gillespie gets a mention, a surprise choice, I must say.

 

[talha3]

Gillespie gets a mention, a surprise choice, I must say.

At least he's thought about it and is being honest. Gillespie probably bowled an amazing spell to him once.

When some people are asked this question, they just automatically go for the Warne's, Murali's, Mcgrath's, Akram's e.t.c.

 

[Fireworks11]

At least he's thought about it and is being honest. Gillespie probably bowled an amazing spell to him once.

When some people are asked this question, they just automatically go for the Warne's, Murali's, Mcgrath's, Akram's e.t.c.

Yep, it's good to hear. It's always best to be honest. I remember SRT once said Razzaq was the toughest/one of the toughest he's ever faced.

 

[Usman]

Malik was in The Sahir Lodhi Show

some pointers


Question : Hardest bowler you ever faced in Intl Cricket?

Malik : Jason Gillespie

Shahid Afridi = Role Model


http://vidpk.com/56471/Shoaib-Malik--Tasneem-Akhtar-in-The-Sahir-Show-on-Geo-Tv-P-3/

Thats because he didn't survive long enough against the rest to be able to judge.

 

[Black Zero]

His singing is as good as his batting!




Anwaaaaaaaaar Paaaaaaii, ayeeeeeeeee kiiiiii zulam hoooooooo gayaaaaa ayeeeeeeeeee??????????

Role Model for????
Plus he's happy cause Afridi is RETIRED~!

 

[W63L35]

Role Model for????

Nice recovery.... but I am sure, he meant for him!

Plus he's happy cause Afridi is RETIRED~!

Looks like the show was recorded before the whole Afridi/PCB saga.... because didn't he say he just came bask from Abu Dhabi?

 

[W63L35]

Well those were in latest headline sections...
and I am not clear what's your stand is...

Are you denying the deal?
or just saying that IB never acknowledged the political pressure?

'http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=3913461&postcount=288

Since that thread is closed now, I owe you a reply.

Well, all I was saying that Ijaz Butt categorically denied that the deal was stuck without ANY political pressure. If IB has made the statement himself then why should you and I believe "the source" and not IB?

Weren't you one ...once said...

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=3209539&postcount=1914

 

[iHammad]

Shoaib Malik fan on twitter uploaded these videos...

<iframe width="425" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/ew-Tvh-SqI8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

<iframe width="425" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/J02B4CWExmw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

<iframe width="425" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/OMD84FIy2Pw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I really hope SM performs well in FB Super 8 T20, so that he can be in the T20 side for T20 WC 2012

 

[Black Zero]

'http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=3913461&postcount=288

Since that thread is closed now, I owe you a reply.

Well, all I was saying that Ijaz Butt categorically denied that the deal was stuck without ANY political pressure. If IB has made the statement himself then why should you and I believe "the source" and not IB?

Weren't you one ...once said...

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=3209539&postcount=1914

He earlier also denied meeting Afridi..though he accepted later...


Maybe he used the word "interference" instead of "pressure"

As you seem to believe the ibutt, your logical question shud be, if deal was stuck without any political pressure, then what was the basis of deal? Afridi's forgiveness? Court's decision? Inti's/Waqar's report? What was the basis of the deal? It couldn't be Afridi's attending the committee as court suspended that until afridi withdrew his appeal.

 

[Black Zero]

Nice recovery.... but I am sure, he meant for him!


Looks like the show was recorded before the whole Afridi/PCB saga.... because didn't he say he just came bask from Abu Dhabi?

I am having hard time finding any similarity btw Malik and Afridi...
Malik is a cricketer while Afridi is not.

maybe role model...for modeling...?

 

[W63L35]

I am having hard time finding any similarity btw Malik and Afridi...

I hope there is none... but still he finds Afridi a role model and tries to be like him!

Malik is a cricketer while Afridi is not.

Keep telling yourself.... you may believe it one day.... a few decades later.

maybe role model...for modeling...?

No... that is Sania.... "The Complete Person" .... talk about being joto ka ghulam!

 

[W63L35]

He earlier also denied meeting Afridi..though he accepted later...

All I said was.... I would certainly believe iButt between him and "the source"... if I have to pick one over the other.

Maybe he used the word "interference" instead of "pressure"

In Amreeka "dabau" means "pressure.... may be in kunaidaaaaah, it means "interference".
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=130748

As you seem to believe the ibutt, your logical question shud be, if deal was stuck without any political pressure, then what was the basis of deal? Afridi's forgiveness? Court's decision? Inti's/Waqar's report? What was the basis of the deal? It couldn't be Afridi's attending the committee as court suspended that until afridi withdrew his appeal.

Since there if no proof.... there could any of the reasons... or could be one you did not list.... but it wasn't political pressure as ibutt said.

If Ijaz Butt can talk about politcal pressure at Malik's time then what could be stopping him now?

 

[iHammad]

bump, captaining SS tomorrow, hope he performs

honestly he's not that bad of a LO player

 

[W63L35]

bump, captaining SS tomorrow, hope he performs

honestly he's not that bad of a LO player

Does anybody wonder why Shoaib Malik is not playing in England? Too good to play their?

 

[iHammad]

Does anybody wonder why Shoaib Malik is not playing in England? Too good to play their?

he probably didn't get an offer

 

[violet_may]

Well, I believe he averages like 25 or something in T20s.

Regardless, Malik will destroy the team of kittens!

 

[W63L35]

he probably didn't get an offer

No that is not true.... he did get an offer once. Gloucestershire played him for a few matches and then he was told that the county ground are too small for player this big!

 

[W63L35]

anwaaaaar paiyaaan..... are you watching a little friendly match going on between Malik XI and MoYo XI.... Sialkot lead by the captain better than Imran and Lahore lead by the worst captain of all times!

With Lahore's score at 193/4 in 17.1 over ....any predictions? Malik the best ever captain can turn things around?

 

[W63L35]

Sarmad Anwar 4 0 81 0 20.25

81 runs in 4 overs.... man... 81 runs in an ODI (10 overs) is pretty bad!

Sarmad gave away 66 runs in 3 overs .. yet captain extraordinaire continued with him.

Sarmad's runs in each over.... 17, 34, 15, 15.


Sarmad is sure to make this list.... thanks to Shoaib "better captain than Imran" Malik;

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/305229.html


... oh and Anwaar paiyan, notice none of the bowlers in above list completed their quota of 4 overs because all those captains must be stupid enough to take them off after two overs!


So..who wants Malik as kuptaaaan?


Not to mention, he broke this record also.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/305237.html

 

[W63L35]

Wow... what a great start by Imran Nazir..... now let's see what Bradman does!

 

[iHammad]

hes out

 

[Kray_jackson7]

... will he play a Good innings? Will Shoaib malik save the day?

 

[amirfanforlife]

^ Errm... isn't he already out?

 

[W63L35]

hes out

He did play a captain's innings... didn't he?

 

[AZ]

got PWNED today! :ll

 

[Kray_jackson7]

^ Errm... isn't he already out?

Oh yes he is! i thought an amazing captain like him would win the game for his team. But i guess his team-mates let him down.

Solid all round performance

4 overs 0-40
and 1 (3)

 

[amirfanforlife]

Lol, Okay I got your sarcasm.

 

[Fireworks11]

Big tournament for Malik this, poor start to the campaign.

 

[Black Zero]

Sarmad Anwar 4 0 81 0 20.25

81 runs in 4 overs.... man... 81 runs in an ODI (10 overs) is pretty bad!



Not to mention, he broke this record also.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/305237.html

I guess the record is 90+ in 4 overs...


50+ score he gave during PP against LL's openers,...there is no reason why he shudn't brought back.


by the way, he is a good prospect, needs guidance.

 

[AZ]

^ please re-read your post and try again.

 

[Black Zero]

Sarmad Anwar 4 0 81 0 20.25

81 runs in 4 overs.... man... 81 runs in an ODI (10 overs) is pretty bad!

Sarmad gave away 66 runs in 3 overs .. yet captain extraordinaire continued with him.

He gave 50+ in PP against LL's openers, why should not he be brought in the death?

Sarmad's runs in each over.... 17, 34, 15, 15.


Sarmad is sure to make this list.... thanks to Shoaib "better captain than Imran" Malik;

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/305229.html

Someone mentioned in some thread that record was 90+, so sarmad is still safe.
... oh and Anwaar paiyan, notice none of the bowlers in above list completed their quota of 4 overs because all those captains must be stupid enough to take them off after two overs!


So..who wants Malik as kuptaaaan?


Not to mention, he broke this record also.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/305237.html

.

 

[Black Zero]

^ please re-read your post and try again.

better?

 

[AZ]

lol. nope...the first statement in blue defies all logic.

 

[Black Zero]

lol. nope...the first statement in blue defies all logic.

Point that I am failing to convey...

1-Kut in Powerplay doesn't necessarily mean kut in death.
2-Kut by Shehzad doesn't necessarily mean kut by other batsmen.

Plus it was all round kut and no one was spared...even SM got hit big time in his third over.

 

[W63L35]

Someone mentioned in some thread that record was 90+, so sarmad is still safe.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/305237.html
For 342nd time.... why don't you take your own advice?????
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=3209539&postcount=1914

Point that I am failing to convey...

1-Kut in Powerplay doesn't necessarily mean kut in death.
2-Kut by Shehzad doesn't necessarily mean kut by other batsmen.

If a bowler got spanked in 17, 34 in first two overs........ doesn't necessarily mean he won't be spanked in 3rd & 4th over.

Here is what Sarmad bowled:
2nd over: 17 runs.
4th over: 35 runs.
15th over: 15 runs.
20th over: 15 runs.

The main question is: Why didn't captain extraordinaire try 6th bowler? If he did not have any then why didn't he play 6th bowler (all rounder)?


...and by the way, no comment on Bradman's batting? No spread sheets ... no pie charts ... no bar graphs.. no histograms?

Plus it was all round kut and no one was spared...even SM got hit big time in his third over.

Really... was Abdu Rahman playing for LL? Check your nose......please ....

 

[Black Zero]

If a bowler got spanked in 17, 34 in first two overs........ doesn't necessarily mean he won't be spanked in 3rd & 4th over.

and he was not spanked! Plus, there are more matches to play, captain needs to show faith in bowler...

Here is what Sarmad bowled:
2nd over: 17 runs.
4th over: 35 runs.
15th over: 15 runs.
20th over: 15 runs.

so his best overs were his last two.!

The main question is: Why didn't captain extraordinaire try 6th bowler? If he did not have any then why didn't he play 6th bowler (all rounder)?

you mean trying Imran Nazir as 6th bowlers?

...and by the way, no comment on Bradman's batting? No spread sheets ... no pie charts ... no bar graphs.. no histograms?


it was a tough call by the umpire...



Really... was Abdu Rahman playing for LL? Check your nose......please ....

He was also hit by Nasir (if you saw the match).

Anyway, SM is building a new team for Sailkot...great talent but lack exposure, will grow as they play more.

Ye masa'il e tasawwuf, ye tera bayan Ghalib;
Tujhe hum wali samajhte jo na bada khuwar hota

 

[W63L35]

you mean trying Imran Nazir as 6th bowlers?

How about playing a sixth/7th bowler? What was Mansoor Amjad doing in the dugout?

Anyway, SM is building a new team for Sailkot...great talent but lack exposure, will grow as they play more.

Building the team or taking the SS team downhill...by not playing a player like Mansoor Amjad?

it was a tough call by the umpire...

OK... Dhoni, now stop whining!

 

[Black Zero]

How about playing a sixth/7th bowler? What was Mansoor Amjad doing in the dugout?

I also saw az saying same thing...

Mansoor in place of?

P.S.

http://jang.com.pk/jang/jun2011-daily/26-06-2011/sports.htm

 

[W63L35]

I also saw az saying same thing...

Mansoor in place of?

...and most of the time you argue for the sake of argument with no substance...as always!

Your hero comes back to senses....and does play Mansoor! In who's place, I'll let you figure out.

 

[Black Zero]

...and most of the time you argue for the sake of argument with no substance...as always!

Your hero comes back to senses....and does play Mansoor! In who's place, I'll let you figure out.

Simple question: How many overs Mansoor bowled?

Or better question...what's the difference in bowling attack btw two matches?

if there is no difference then your theory fails (again)

 

[W63L35]

Simple question: How many overs Mansoor bowled?

Or better question...what's the difference in bowling attack btw two matches?

if there is no difference then your theory fails (again)

I f Sarmad (or any bowler) got spanked in this match like Sarmad did in the first match, then at least you hero had one extra option AVAILABLE!
Luckily he did not need one! Maaaaaaaaan I thought, you understood cricket ... a little bit.....but you disappoint me YET again!

 

[Black Zero]

I f Sarmad (or any bowler) got spanked in this match like Sarmad did in the first match, then at least you hero had one extra option AVAILABLE!
Luckily he did not need one! Maaaaaaaaan I thought, you understood cricket ... a little bit.....but you disappoint me YET again!

You didn't answer my simple question?


Regarding Option...they had 75 in 6th over without loss....so option should have been utilized ...

Malik doesn't press panic button so easily...


By the way...i have my earlier post edited..and marked in red..for visual pleasure...and that might tell...that how much I know about leadership ....

 

[W63L35]

and he was not spanked! Plus, there are more matches to play, captain needs to show faith in bowler...

By bowling and playing his own little brother ahead of world class bowler like Mansoor Amjad???????

Anyway, SM is building a new team for Sailkot...great talent but lack exposure, will grow as they play more.

Yes, of course..... by giving exposure to a great talent of his brother ... by playing/bowling him ahead of an all-rounder Mansoor Ajmad! What a kuptaaaan, what a leader....!!!

 

[Black Zero]

By bowling and playing his own little brother ahead of world class bowler like Mansoor Amjad???????



Yes, of course..... by giving exposure to a great talent of his brother ... by playing/bowling him ahead of an all-rounder Mansoor Ajmad! What a kuptaaaan, what a leader....!!!

In SS thread I have posted a video, and also in this thread (in some page) I posted Adeel's interview and he addresses the very same question...

By the way, Adeel has been a key player for SS over the years...and no one can deny his contribution...

Even Today, both Mansoor and Adeel played well.

 

[W63L35]

In SS thread I have posted a video, and also in this thread (in some page) I posted Adeel's interview and he addresses the very same question...

Post the link... let's see what Bradman Malik little brother Sachin Malik has to say.

By the way, Adeel has been a key player for SS over the years...and no one can deny his contribution...
.

Mansoor Amjad: First Class Wickets (191), List A wickets (126), T20 wickets (13)

Sachin Malik: First Class Wickets (8), List A wickets (7), T20 wickets (14)

Yet, in 2nd match ....Sachin Malik bowls but Mansoor Amjad does not.


Mansoor Amjad: First Class Runs (3422 with 6 100s), List A Runs (1424), T20 Runs (221)

Sachin Malik: First Class Runs (486), List A Runs (454), T20 Runs (112)

Yet ...Sachin Malik plays in the first match but Mansoor Ajmad does not!

 

[Black Zero]

Post the link... let's see what Bradman Malik little brother Sachin Malik has to say.




Mansoor Amjad: First Class Wickets (191), List A wickets (126), T20 wickets (13)

Sachin Malik: First Class Wickets (8), List A wickets (7), T20 wickets (14)

Yet, in 2nd match ....Sachin Malik bowls but Mansoor Amjad does not.


Mansoor Amjad: First Class Runs (3422 with 6 100s), List A Runs (1424), T20 Runs (221)

Sachin Malik: First Class Runs (486), List A Runs (454), T20 Runs (112)

Yet ...Sachin Malik plays in the first match but Mansoor Ajmad does not!

there is a hint in this clip also.
[utube]0zmCy3nzbiY[/utube]

 

[W63L35]

^^^
11 ball 23..... and he becomes better than Sachin? )


Mansoor Amjad: First Class Wickets (191), List A wickets (126), T20 wickets (13)

Sachin Malik: First Class Wickets (8), List A wickets (7), T20 wickets (14)

Yet, in 2nd match ....Sachin Malik bowls but Mansoor Amjad does not.


Mansoor Amjad: First Class Runs (3422 with 6 100s), List A Runs (1424), T20 Runs (221)

Sachin Malik: First Class Runs (486), List A Runs (454), T20 Runs (112)

Yet ...Sachin Malik plays in the first match but Mansoor Ajmad does not!

 

[*sallu*]

By bowling and playing his own little brother ahead of world class bowler like Mansoor Amjad???????

Not discussing Shoaib Malik or Adeel Malik here but... come again?

 

[ads101]

^^^
11 ball 23..... and he becomes better than Sachin? )


Mansoor Amjad: First Class Wickets (191), List A wickets (126), T20 wickets (13)

Sachin Malik: First Class Wickets (8), List A wickets (7), T20 wickets (14)

Yet, in 2nd match ....Sachin Malik bowls but Mansoor Amjad does not.


Mansoor Amjad: First Class Runs (3422 with 6 100s), List A Runs (1424), T20 Runs (221)

Sachin Malik: First Class Runs (486), List A Runs (454), T20 Runs (112)

Yet ...Sachin Malik plays in the first match but Mansoor Ajmad does not!

Adeel Malik has a slightly better bowling average than Mansoor in the T20 format. 12.78 to 14.46. Plus Mansoor hasn't bowled all the time, Adeel Malik has played ten fewer matches, but bowled more balls than Mansoor.

Mansoor has a T20 batting average of under 16. Not good enough to be played as a specialist batsman really. Adeel Malik has a batting average of exactly 16.

This is limited overs cricket not first class. Mansoor has racked up four half centuries in over hundred list A games. Average of just around 25. Adeel has played just fifteen list A matches, but already has as many half centuries as Mansoor, with four at an average of over 40.

In reality Malik should have played a proper all rounder/good part time bowler. Manzoor was played last match, but quite frankly hasn't been much of an all rounder in limited overs.


Adeel Malik in my eyes it seems he's there purely on merit. Adeel is doing a good job in T20 so far, and stats wise has done better than Mansoor in this format.

I know there are constant debates of Shoaib Malik, but this guy Adeel is doing enough to stick his place in his respective domestic team and has been integral to their success. No need to bring him in just because he's Shoaib Malik's brother.

 

[Teesra]

^^^^agree adeel malik(friends call him ali) has performed well in 20/20 for his the stallions

though i do think mansoor amjad should be in the team 2 along with adeel malik

 

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Stallions won today, and Shoaib played a good innings, but captaincy was poor today. Didn't bowl Adeel full overs, and bowled himself four overs when he should have probably given his overs to Mansoor when he could see his bowling wasn't on the mark today.

Should have been playing at four, even three today but demoted himself down the order and came in when Stallions had rebuilt. Pretty much saw his team through to a winnable position for Ali to come in and get the winning runs. Worked today, but could have easily backfired.

Great fielding though by him today

 

[W63L35]

Stallions won today, and Shoaib played a good innings, but captaincy was poor today. Didn't bowl Adeel full overs, and bowled himself four overs when he should have probably given his overs to Mansoor when he could see his bowling wasn't on the mark today.

Should have been playing at four, even three today but demoted himself down the order and came in when Stallions had rebuilt. Pretty much saw his team through to a winnable position for Ali to come in and get the winning runs. Worked today, but could have easily backfired.

Great fielding though by him today

Very good analysis .... but just wait for Anwaaar pie-yaaawn to come here and try (unsuccessfully as usual) to put +ive spin of every -ive comment you made about his hero.

 

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Very good analysis .... but just wait for Anwaaar pie-yaaawn to come here and try (unsuccessfully as usual) to put +ive spin of every -ive comment you made about his hero.

To be fair, I've been pretty positive as a win is a win

If Stallions had lost, I would have gone all out on Malik ). I really thought him bowling his full quota despite him bowling bad today and demoting himself down the order with the early loss of Nazir had lost it for the Stallions today.

In fact even so, if the Hawks win against the Lahore lions and win enough with a big enough margin, I might hold Malik to blame as I'm sure that certainly him bowling four overs (not sure about the demotion down the order) cost the Stallions a little. Adeel should have clearly bowled four overs. Malik is an all rounder, and if his full time bowlers were bowling good, which they were, shouldn't have given himself overs at the expense of full time bowlers. Unless Malik was bowling exceedingly good, but of course in this match he was the worst bowler on show from the Stallions.

 

[Black Zero]

Stallions won today, and Shoaib played a good innings, but captaincy was poor today.

Not really, he tried few things...few worked, few did not.
Leading from the front and bowled in power play... Took wicket..though Rehman couldn't replicate from other end...

Good Tactic...with reasonable outcome.


Didn't bowl Adeel full overs, and bowled himself four overs when he should have probably given his overs to Mansoor when he could see his bowling wasn't on the mark today.

Actually it was public's demand to prefer Masoor on Adeel. (check with WL...)

Should have been playing at four, even three today but demoted himself down the order and came in when Stallions had rebuilt.

He has come in different positions so I don't think it's a reasonable to criticize him. Plus he was right that he might have to play with tail enders, so he is more suited for such pressure situations. he scored with SR of 150+.


Pretty much saw his team through to a winnable position for Ali to come in and get the winning runs. Worked today, but could have easily backfired.

Their bowling and fielding letting them down, they dropped two catches, so many extras, and so many full tosses...

Great fielding though by him today

Best Pakistani fielder ever.

 

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Best Pakistani fielder ever.

don't rate Mansoor so much, to be honest I think Adeel's better

But how can you explain why Malik didn't bowl the full quota of Adeel? He even game some of Adeel's overs to Mansoor. I don't understand this.

 

[W63L35]

Very good analysis .... but just wait for Anwaaar pie-yaaawn to come here and try (unsuccessfully as usual) to put +ive spin of every -ive comment you made about his hero.

What did I tell you ads101!! Apnay Anwaar pei-yaaawn is so predictable!

So according to pie-yawn;
Malik is better captain than Imran.
Malik is better opener than Hanif.
...today... Best Pakistani fielder ever.

Did I miss any other titles? If not, what is next?

 

[Black Zero]

don't rate Mansoor so much, to be honest I think Adeel's better

But how can you explain why Malik didn't bowl the full quota of Adeel? He even game some of Adeel's overs to Mansoor. I don't understand this.

Adeel and Mansoor both bowled 2 overs each..one gave 4 runs extra but taken one wicket...nothing much to choose btw based on their performances.

Malik bowled two overs in PP ad after that we can view 2 overs each for Masoor, Adeel and himself.

It's a double edged sword, if he gives his two overs to Adeel then most will say that Malik should have bowled himself cause he got experience and was scared to bowl ..

 

[ads101]

Same problems as last time, and really hurt us this time

Why did Adeel not bowl full overs again? Why did Shoaib Malik bowl full overs? Why did Mansoor who is pretty much a bowling all rounder not bowl any overs when the quicks especially were failing. Why was Ali Khan given the ball instead of Mansoor?And why did he bowl a whole three overs when Adeel hadn't finished his quota? His two wickets were flukes when the opposition were hitting out, what we needed at that point was to limit runs which Ali khan didn't do (and you would expect him too being a very inexperienced/poor part time bowler)

And lastly why did Malik play at three or four yet again? There was no time to consolidate, we had to hit out from the word go. Malik played an absolute gem of an innings, but if he had had that sort of impact earlier on, it would have not let the run rate escalate out of control, and allowed guys like Ali Khan and the tailenders to hit out a bit more.

I don't buy this bowling full overs leading from the front stuff, if he wants to lead from the front, he should bat higher up the order instead.

Great innings by Malik, and a very good one by Yousuf. Brilliant Dolphins performance in general and deserved to win though. Sohail Khan, Asad, Raja were amazing today. Really enjoyed the fight to chase a mammoth total today

 

[emclub]

What an innings by Malik, What hitting Brilliant Stuff, Pakistan's best bat

 

[Black Zero]

Same problems as last time, and really hurt us this time

Why did Adeel not bowl full overs again? Why did Shoaib Malik bowl full overs? Why did Mansoor who is pretty much a bowling all rounder not bowl any overs when the quicks especially were failing. Why was Ali Khan given the ball instead of Mansoor?And why did he bowl a whole three overs when Adeel hadn't finished his quota? His two wickets were flukes when the opposition were hitting out, what we needed at that point was to limit runs which Ali khan didn't do (and you would expect him too being a very inexperienced/poor part time bowler)

And lastly why did Malik play at three or four yet again? There was no time to consolidate, we had to hit out from the word go. Malik played an absolute gem of an innings, but if he had had that sort of impact earlier on, it would have not let the run rate escalate out of control, and allowed guys like Ali Khan and the tailenders to hit out a bit more.

I don't buy this bowling full overs leading from the front stuff, if he wants to lead from the front, he should bat higher up the order instead.

Great innings by Malik, and a very good one by Yousuf. Brilliant Dolphins performance in general and deserved to win though. Sohail Khan, Asad, Raja were amazing today. Really enjoyed the fight to chase a mammoth total today

FYI, Mansoor is not the bowler once he was ..after the injury...

Hard luck...

I guess we should put little blame on Imran Nazir ....

 

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FYI, Mansoor is not the bowler once he was ..after the injury...

Hard luck...

I guess we should put little blame on Imran Nazir ....

Manzoor bowled better than Malik last match, but this match he wasn't even given a try. And Ali Khan bowling Ali Khan?

Still doesn't explain why Adeel again did not bowl full overs, and Malik bowled full overs and not batting at three.

Nazir's awful, and again played a stupid stroke to get out. But people fail in cricket matches in time to time. They have little control over it. Bowlers bowled badly today for example. Not much you can do. Malik however had decisions to make as captain, and repeated the same mistakes as last match.

I'm not so irritated we lost, Stallions put up a good fight. Malik played one of the best innings of the whole tournament. But the bowling changes really were absurd today, and what's more it was pretty much the same problem as last match. If, as what most captains would have done in Shoaib Malik's position, Adeel had bowled full overs being a full time bowler, Mansoor bowling a few overs being a bowling all rounder (if he can't bowl, there's absolutely no point playing him, he really isn't much of a batsman), Ali Khan wasn't given three overs and Shoaib didn't force himself to bowl all his overs despite clearly having an off day again, we would have been chasing a smaller target. And no it's not hindsight, pretty much any captain or even fan would have done that.

Malik's a lot better captain than he's been in this tournament. I dunno why he's done all these things, maybe it's just pressure of playing so many youngsters/inexperienced players. Anyway, the continuation of his form only convinces me that this guy should be back in the limited overs side again.

 

[W63L35]

FYI, Mansoor is not the bowler once he was ..after the injury...

Hard luck...

Afridi's team loses....it is all Afridi's fault because of Afridi's bowling changes, feild placing, ect etc ! Malik's team wins..... pie-yawn thinks he is a better captain than IK.

Malik's team loses................. It is luck?

I guess we should put little blame on Imran Nazir ....

So your hero did not make ANY mistake, blunder, etc?????? Any?????

 

[saeed-sohail]

Malik scoring in a losing cause? Nah that doesn,t happen.

 

[Khabri420]

Malik scoring in a losing cause? Nah that doesn,t happen.

=

I don't think that's a fair comparison though...just saying

 

[saeed-sohail]

You are insulting moon babu here.

 

[Black Zero]

Manzoor bowled better than Malik last match, but this match he wasn't even given a try. And Ali Khan bowling Ali Khan?

Still doesn't explain why Adeel again did not bowl full overs, and Malik bowled full overs and not batting at three.

Nazir's awful, and again played a stupid stroke to get out. But people fail in cricket matches in time to time. They have little control over it. Bowlers bowled badly today for example. Not much you can do. Malik however had decisions to make as captain, and repeated the same mistakes as last match.

I'm not so irritated we lost, Stallions put up a good fight. Malik played one of the best innings of the whole tournament. But the bowling changes really were absurd today, and what's more it was pretty much the same problem as last match. If, as what most captains would have done in Shoaib Malik's position, Adeel had bowled full overs being a full time bowler, Mansoor bowling a few overs being a bowling all rounder (if he can't bowl, there's absolutely no point playing him, he really isn't much of a batsman), Ali Khan wasn't given three overs and Shoaib didn't force himself to bowl all his overs despite clearly having an off day again, we would have been chasing a smaller target. And no it's not hindsight, pretty much any captain or even fan would have done that.

Malik's a lot better captain than he's been in this tournament. I dunno why he's done all these things, maybe it's just pressure of playing so many youngsters/inexperienced players. Anyway, the continuation of his form only convinces me that this guy should be back in the limited overs side again.

I have not seen the match (was not working from home today) so not in position to analyse accurately.

But as I said before, SS bowling is the root cause..
I know you rightly rate Adeel Malik , but I suppose there was a blame of nepotism on Shoaib so he tried to play safe so no one can point finger.

Regarding batting low, then it comes to Imran Nazir to provide some sort of platform.

If malik comes at 3 and get out (as it happened against LL) then you lose even fighting chance.


I have to agree on this point that his captaincy wasn't that sharp like before...
He failed to stop the flood of runs...previously, with little resources he performed really well..



One more point also need to be taken account for is the impact of Toss...

You win the Toss, Bat first and you win the match...

Isn't it strange that both (LL n SS) lost by similar margin?

 

[Black Zero]

Afridi's team loses....it is all Afridi's fault because of Afridi's bowling changes, feild placing, ect etc ! Malik's team wins..... pie-yawn thinks he is a better captain than IK.

Malik's team loses................. It is luck?

I think Toss is still by luck....
Check the relation of wining teams with Toss...





So your hero did not make ANY mistake, blunder, etc?????? Any?????

One can say so many things afterwards...but decisions to be made at the heat of the moment...I am niot sure about this match as I haven't seen it but previously I have seen any blunder made by him...
Mistake..yes once...in previous tourney, against RR, he played in Air, though it was unnecessary. Thats all.

 

[Black Zero]

Malik scoring in a losing cause? Nah that doesn,t happen.

Bus Qyamat aanay hi walli hay!

 

[Fireworks11]

Good knock in a losing cause by Shoaib, it's very tough to chase 230 odd in a T20 game.

Raja was mesmerising, a dream innings that all but sealed victory for the fish.