Shoaib Malik Support & Performance Watch

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I have not seen the match (was not working from home today) so not in position to analyse accurately.

But as I said before, SS bowling is the root cause..
I know you rightly rate Adeel Malik , but I suppose there was a blame of nepotism on Shoaib so he tried to play safe so no one can point finger.

Regarding batting low, then it comes to Imran Nazir to provide some sort of platform.

If malik comes at 3 and get out (as it happened against LL) then you lose even fighting chance.


I have to agree on this point that his captaincy wasn't that sharp like before...
He failed to stop the flood of runs...previously, with little resources he performed really well..



One more point also need to be taken account for is the impact of Toss...

You win the Toss, Bat first and you win the match...

Isn't it strange that both (LL n SS) lost by similar margin?

Fair points

You're right Nazir does bear responsibility as a senior batsmen. But that's his style, his batting is brainless, one day he'll win you a game, another he'll throw away his wicket. He doesn't bat with any sense of maturity. Which is why he isn't international class. And quite frankly everyone knows what to expect from him.

Shoaib should have come in at no3, as even coming at five with such a big total despite Malik's innings, the game was effectively gone by then. If Malik had scored big and no.3, and it was clear that other batsmen were batting much better with Malik at the crease too, we would have had more chance. Better to have taken the risk. Anyway, what frustrated me most was really the bowling changes.

Yeah batting first usually meant you won. Stallions put much more of a fight than I thought they would, in fact credit to them they looked one of the better sides chasing overall.

Disappointed with the fast bowling resources, is that all we have? Spin is decent with Adeel, Rehman and Shoaib Malik and Mansoor Amjad chipping in. Ali Khan looks good young batsmen though. Overall I fear stocks are wearing a little thin, while teams like Karachi, Rawalpindi, Lahore seem to have quite a few promising youngsters

 

[Gollum]

Played a nice knock. Looks like he is coming into some form after like forever.

 

[Fireworks11]

A recall to the national side looks brighter, at least for the T20 team.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Fair points

You're right Nazir does bear responsibility as a senior batsmen. But that's his style, his batting is brainless, one day he'll win you a game, another he'll throw away his wicket. He doesn't bat with any sense of maturity. Which is why he isn't international class. And quite frankly everyone knows what to expect from him.

Shoaib should have come in at no3, as even coming at five with such a big total despite Malik's innings, the game was effectively gone by then. If Malik had scored big and no.3, and it was clear that other batsmen were batting much better with Malik at the crease too, we would have had more chance. Better to have taken the risk. Anyway, what frustrated me most was really the bowling changes.

Yeah batting first usually meant you won. Stallions put much more of a fight than I thought they would, in fact credit to them they looked one of the better sides chasing overall.

Disappointed with the fast bowling resources, is that all we have? Spin is decent with Adeel, Rehman and Shoaib Malik and Mansoor Amjad chipping in. Ali Khan looks good young batsmen though. Overall I fear stocks are wearing a little thin, while teams like Karachi, Rawalpindi, Lahore seem to have quite a few promising youngsters

Lol mate, Imran Nazir just can't play a full incoming delivery. Many many bowlers have dismissed him this way.

 

[kingusama92]

He should be recalled into the T20 team.

Very good T20 player.

If there were any disciplinary issues, he should be let in with one final warning. Any funny business and he's out and done for his career.

 

[Fireworks11]

HIs fielding alone will add a massive boost to the side. Needed for the T20 WC.

 

[W63L35]

I am having hard time finding any similarity btw Malik and Afridi...
Malik is a cricketer while Afridi is not.

So... Malik is a cricketer... and Afridi is not. Well, let's see how they are doing in the respective T20 tournaments. I do realize Malik is playing in a highly competitive FB T20 tournament in Faisalabad where as Afridi is playing in a no-name medicore tournament but still we should be able to draw some comparisons!

By the which team in Australia Malik is going to play for in Big bash?

 

[insaftak]

So... Malik is a cricketer... and Afridi is not. Well, let's see how they are doing in the respective T20 tournaments. I do realize Malik is playing in a highly competitive FB T20 tournament in Faisalabad where as Afridi is playing in a no-name medicore tournament but still we should be able to draw some comparisons!

By the which team in Australia Malik is going to play for in Big bash?

W63 Bahi, Aren't you comparing apples and oranges here. one is a batsman that could bowl a little and the other one is a bowler who could bat a bit. Personally I am not a fan of both of these players

 

[W63L35]

W63 Bahi, Aren't you comparing apples and oranges here. one is a batsman that could bowl a little and the other one is a bowler who could bat a bit. Personally I am not a fan of both of these players

You did not notice Anwaar Pie-yawn's following statement.....

Malik is a cricketer while Afridi is not.

So I was just asking him by showing him the numbers ... that how come a person who is not even a cricketer... is leading the bowling in England ...... and what has "real cricketer" done in FB T20 tournament? That's all!

There is no way I was comparing Afridi and Malik... because there is NO comparison in terms of their value to Pakistan team or .. any team for that matter!

 

[insaftak]

You did not notice Anwaar Pie-yawn's following statement.....



So I was just asking him by showing him the numbers ... that how come a person who is not even a cricketer... is leading the bowling in England ...... and what has "real cricketer" done in FB T20 tournament? That's all!

There is no way I was comparing Afridi and Malik... because there is NO comparison in terms of their value to Pakistan team or .. any team for that matter!

I stopped arguing with anwar about a year ago on shoaib malik being the best player and best captain. you are wasting your time here.

 

[W63L35]

I stopped arguing with anwar about a year ago on shoaib malik being the best player and best captain. you are wasting your time here.

You are right ... at first I thought I was wasting time ... but there are two reasons I still keep him engaged;

1) Malik is the only reason he comes here and posts ... so, you have to bait him.

2) When he does post, he leave a gems for our entertainment.... for example;

Malik is better captain than Imran Khan.
Malik is better opening batsman than Legendary Hanif Mohammad
Malik is best ever Pakistani fielder.
Malik loses a match, it is toss and luck. Afridi loses a match.... well .. Afridi is not a cricketer!

So, if you don't talk to him about Malik, then how we are going to get entertained?

 

[Black Zero]

So... Malik is a cricketer... and Afridi is not. Well, let's see how they are doing in the respective T20 tournaments. I do realize Malik is playing in a highly competitive FB T20 tournament in Faisalabad where as Afridi is playing in a no-name medicore tournament but still we should be able to draw some comparisons!

By the which team in Australia Malik is going to play for in Big bash?

Average of 9 runs per inning? Proves that he isn't a cricketer.

Regarding taking wickets using leg spin against western 2nd leg is not worth comparing...Plus, I have said so many times, in T20 we must not compare averages and E.R. blindly...as we must know that 130 runs match is different than a 230 runs match...parameters must be normalized.

Malik's first preference is to Play for Pakistan...
He is waiting for PCB to make a right decision to make him captain.


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[W63L35]

Average of 9 runs per inning? Proves that he isn't a cricketer.

Do you see, insaftak? Only Anwaar Pie-Yaaaawn can come up with the gems like these!

So...what does bowling average of 6.30 prove? ....better yet, what does Bowling average of 56.00 prove?

Regarding taking wickets using leg spin against western 2nd leg is not worth comparing...

Another Gems!
What does having an average of 56.00 in domestic 5th leg prove???

Plus, I have said so many times, in T20 we must not compare averages and E.R. blindly...as we must know that 130 runs match is different than a 230 runs match...parameters must be normalized.

Another gem.....
Why your hero could not restrict the opponent to 130 when he was bowling himself, little brother and captaining the side himself.....??? A great of a captain, bowler and cricketer like him should be able to do that and defy the odds!

Afridi isn't bowling on spinning tracks on Delhi-like tracks either..... where Kumble got 10 wickets...or is he?
I am sure you know he is playing in inglaaaaand not India.

Malik's first preference is to Play for Pakistan...

Another gem.....
Wasn't this same Malik who was commentating in India not too long ago while a domestic tournament was going on??? .... and you were hell bent upon justifying that "he does not have to prove anything".... so that's why he is commentating in India?

Ajmal, Wahab, Junaid, Razzaq and others playing in England also "like" to play for Pakistan but they are hired/paid by counties to play in England. So.... one more time.... which county offered the Bradman a contract and he turned it down?

Any offers from Big Bash?

He is waiting for PCB to make a right decision to make him captain.

Dil K Behlane Ko Ghalib Ye Khayal Acha Ha!

 

[Black Zero]

Why your hero could not restrict the opponent to 130 when he was bowling himself, little brother and captaining the side himself.....??? A great of a captain, bowler and cricketer like him should be able to do that and defy the odds!


Check average team score in T20 WC that was held in UK and then compare with the one held in Sub-continent...

Afridi isn't bowling on spinning tracks on Delhi-like tracks either..... where Kumble got 10 wickets...or is he?
I am sure you know he is playing in inglaaaaand not India.

Check those 3rd grade batsmen average against leg spinners.


Another gem.....
Wasn't this same Malik who was commentating in India not too long ago while a domestic tournament was going on??? .... and you were hell bent upon justifying that "he does not have to prove anything".... so that's why he is commentating in India?

Check who got the highest runs in Grade-A domestic competition, while playing less than half the matches.
Check who got the max. number of 100s

Ajmal, Wahab, Junaid, Razzaq and others playing in England also "like" to play for Pakistan but they are hired/paid by counties to play in England. So.... one more time.... which county offered the Bradman a contract and he turned it down?

Any offers from Big Bash?

You have to first ask your agent to look for contracts...
So I'd assume he never asked his agent yet...otherwise contract shouldn't be an issue for him.



Dil K Behlane Ko Ghalib Ye Khayal Acha Ha!

Wait and see...
YK-Gone
MoYo-Gone
Afridi-Test Retired
Salman-Gone
Afridi-Fired

Misbah - Just on the verge...

 

[W63L35]

Did you type your responses because you were upset at my comments or did not have a clue as usual how to answer them???? Can you fix the the quoted part so that at least it is readable.... as we know, your responses won't make any sense as usual...even after you fix them.

Check average team score in T20 WC that was held in UK and then compare with the one held in Sub-continent...

Speaking of comments making no sense.....when was T20 WC held in sub-continent.... Mr. Disney "you know which one" Character?

Wait and see...
YK-Gone
MoYo-Gone
Afridi-Test Retired
Salman-Gone
Afridi-Fired

Misbah - Just on the verge...

How about Professor Hafeez? What is there to say, YK will not be reappointed?

 

[W63L35]

I am having hard time finding any similarity btw Malik and Afridi...
Malik is a cricketer while Afridi is not.

I know, you once told me to "Grow up and don't believe everything that you read on screen..."

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=3209539&postcount=1914

... and I think, you are right... just see the kind of rumors Jang is spreading about a guy who not even a cricketer!

 

[Black Zero]

I know, you once told me to "Grow up and don't believe everything that you read on screen..."

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=3209539&postcount=1914

... and I think, you are right... just see the kind of rumors Jang is spreading about a guy who not even a cricketer!

"Undhoon mein Kana Raja"

 

[W63L35]

insaftak, see what I told you.... if I stop talking to Pie-Yawn .... where would I get gems like these!

"Undhoon mein Kana Raja"

So....you are saying spinners like Murali, Saeed Ajmal, Imran Tahir, AU Rashid, Panesar, Shakib are "undhay".....? )

...and if county cricket is played by "undhay" players then who did your hero clobbered by in 16 overs he bowled in this T20 tournament? How many MOMs he got?

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...t_wickets_career.html?id=6645;type=tournament

 

[insaftak]

insaftak, see what I told you.... if I stop talking to Pie-Yawn .... where would I get gems like these!



So....you are saying spinners like Murali, Saeed Ajmal, Imran Tahir, AU Rashid, Panesar, Shakib are "undhay".....? )

...and if county cricket is played by "undhay" players then who did your hero clobbered by in 16 overs he bowled in this T20 tournament? How many MOMs he got?

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...t_wickets_career.html?id=6645;type=tournament

I still think You are wasting your time with him

You gotta give him for being a "undha" supporter of shoaib malik though. He kind of reminds me of the PPP Jiyalas.

 

[W63L35]

I still think You are wasting your time with him

Oh...come on.. don't you think, he is entertaining! Every time he opens his mouth...

You gotta give him for being a "undha" supporter of shoaib malik though.

I think, most "undhay" are able to walk with the white cane so ... I don't think calling him "undha" is totally justified... and kind of insults "undhay" people!

He kind of reminds me of the PPP Jiyalas.

I have seen a few sensible PPP supporters so... please don't insult them!

 

[AlizeeFan]

@w63 : Bachche ko chhor do bhai. How many times will you burst his balloon?

 

[Black Zero]

insaftak, see what i told you.... If i stop talking to pie-yawn .... Where would i get gems like these!



so....you are saying spinners like murali, saeed ajmal, imran tahir, au rashid, panesar, shakib are "undhay".....? )

no, i said that afridi is undha. Check his bowling stats against minnows and you will know the difference.

...and if county cricket is played by "undhay" players then who did your hero clobbered by in 16 overs he bowled in this t20 tournament? how many moms he got?

sm got higher %age of moms in intls games, and this gaps widens if we filter-out minnows. (already mentioned in your thread abt moms)

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...t_wickets_career.html?id=6645;type=tournament

11 T20 50s...Highest by any Pakistani Player.

Never got duck!
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[saeed-sohail]

Kya response maara hai amwaar bhai.WL hun aao.

 

[Black Zero]

Kya response maara hai amwaar bhai.WL hun aao.

Though this isn't an Afridi thread....but what's your personal opinion about Afridi's faster one? (To me it's an obvious "watta").

 

[saeed-sohail]

Though this isn't an Afridi thread....but what's your personal opinion about Afridi's faster one? (To me it's an obvious "watta").

Looks fine to me.

 

[Black Zero]

Looks fine to me.

Maybe I am a purist then.

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Shoaib Malik would be in my T20 team any day of the week....

 

[Black Zero]

Shoaib Malik would be in my T20 team any day of the week....

and as a skipper?

 

[ads101]

and as a skipper?

Why do you want Shoaib Malik to return so badly as captain?

Not sure the guy even is thinking about captaincy, all he wants to do I'm sure is play in the team. Playing for the team should always be of higher priority than captaining it. And I'm sure that's true of Malik's intentions too. Much better for Malik to work his way back into the side first via performances. No need to rush him back into captaincy or start thinking about it.

I will have malik back in limited overs, but only if he bats opener, three or perhaps four. Ideally three. Hence perhaps it's better if he's not captain so someone else can force him to bat in those positions.

 

[Blitz]

I wouldn't mind having him return.


He has very few friends left.

He knows it'll be his last chance. Could perform at the level he once was, which was class.

 

[Fireworks11]

It's a no brainer, SM should be in the current Pak T20 team, he's needed for the WC next year. The T20 team is in need of a shake up.

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

and as a skipper?

No. Too much politicking.

 

[WahabYorker]

shoaib malik should be kept really far away from the team....he's gonna take the team infighting to the next level

 

[Fireworks11]

shoaib malik should be kept really far away from the team....he's gonna take the team infighting to the next level

What infighting? :kami

 

[W63L35]

"Undhoon mein Kana Raja"

no, i said that afridi is undha.

Flip-flopping or confused or... just being Mr. Disney Character as usual?

Check his bowling stats against minnows and you will know the difference.

Discussion was about your hero's performance in FB T20 vs Afridi's performance in F L T20 in England.....because you think Malik is a cricketer (ha ha ha) and Afridi is not. What's Afridi's performance against minnows has got to do with the two domestic tournaments???

sm got higher %age of moms in intls games,

Looks like you love to taste your foot.... and again you make a comment to do that. Bon appetite...!

and this gaps widens if we filter-out minnows. (already mentioned in your thread abt moms)

After you are done with tasting the right foot, now it is turn to put your left foot in your mouth.... enjoy your afternoon snack;

One more time......discussion was about your hero's performance in FB T20 vs Afridi's performance in F L T20 in England.....because you think Malik is a cricketer (ha ha ha) and Afridi is not. What's this comment about mom got do with two domestic tournaments??

11 T20 50s...Highest by any Pakistani Player.

Never got duck!

111 wickets in T20s. Highest by ANY spinner in the WORLD... including Murali & Ajmal. Pretty good for a guy who not even a cricketer... aye!

but what's your personal opinion about Afridi's faster one? (To me it's an obvious "watta").

So are you saying all the experts in ICC, commentators (Holding and Co) and media are idiots who don't know what Afridi is bowling and your a genius...who could pick what Afridi bowls.... after 15 years of seeing him bowl? Yeh aapko khauab main basharat hui thi ha ilhaam hua tha?

Maybe I am a purist then.

Ooo..... pie-yawn...... yeh kabhi iss.... me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me say bahir bhi nikal aya karo!

 

[W63L35]

Kya response maara hai amwaar bhai.WL hun aao.

Aaadab Azr hai!

 

[Kray_jackson7]

Flip-flopping or confused or... just being Mr. Disney Character as usual?






Discussion was about your hero's performance in FB T20 vs Afridi's performance in F L T20 in England.....because you think Malik is a cricketer (ha ha ha) and Afridi is not. What's Afridi's performance against minnows has got to do with the two domestic tournaments???



Looks like you love to taste your foot.... and again you make a comment to do that. Bon appetite...!



After you are done with tasting the right foot, now it is turn to put your left foot in your mouth.... enjoy your afternoon snack;


One more time......discussion was about your hero's performance in FB T20 vs Afridi's performance in F L T20 in England.....because you think Malik is a cricketer (ha ha ha) and Afridi is not. What's this comment about mom got do with two domestic tournaments??



111 wickets in T20s. Highest by ANY spinner in the WORLD... including Murali & Ajmal. Pretty good for a guy who not even a cricketer... aye!






So are you saying all the experts in ICC, commentators (Holding and Co) and media are idiots who don't know what Afridi is bowling and your a genius...who could pick what Afridi bowls.... after 15 years of seeing him bowl? Yeh aapko khauab main basharat hui thi ha ilhaam hua tha?


Ooo..... pie-yawn...... yeh kabhi iss.... me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me say bahir bhi nikal aya karo!

You are the stats boss!!

 

[Black Zero]

Flip-flopping or confused or... just being Mr. Disney Character as usual?






Discussion was about your hero's performance in FB T20 vs Afridi's performance in F L T20 in England.....because you think Malik is a cricketer (ha ha ha) and Afridi is not. What's Afridi's performance against minnows has got to do with the two domestic tournaments???



Looks like you love to taste your foot.... and again you make a comment to do that. Bon appetite...!



After you are done with tasting the right foot, now it is turn to put your left foot in your mouth.... enjoy your afternoon snack;


One more time......discussion was about your hero's performance in FB T20 vs Afridi's performance in F L T20 in England.....because you think Malik is a cricketer (ha ha ha) and Afridi is not. What's this comment about mom got do with two domestic tournaments??



111 wickets in T20s. Highest by ANY spinner in the WORLD... including Murali & Ajmal. Pretty good for a guy who not even a cricketer... aye!






So are you saying all the experts in ICC, commentators (Holding and Co) and media are idiots who don't know what Afridi is bowling and your a genius...who could pick what Afridi bowls.... after 15 years of seeing him bowl? Yeh aapko khauab main basharat hui thi ha ilhaam hua tha?


Ooo..... pie-yawn...... yeh kabhi iss.... me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me say bahir bhi nikal aya karo!

Who is this, may be someone used your ID?:

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and here ppl caught you red handed.
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=3384838&postcount=96
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=10630&d=1296087700

Here is Afridi's average against non-minnows (courtesy by PTI)
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=3384992&postcount=137

Here are MOS:

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MOM against main teams:

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=3385009&postcount=142

Malik 7% and Afridi 5.5%

Afridi super failure as bowler :
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...ype=bowling;wicketsmax1=0;wicketsval1=wickets

Your miscalculation being exposed by ShehryarK
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=3385254&postcount=173

 

[Black Zero]

Afridi is a non-issue to me, for many reasons including few below:

- He is not a bowler (~ 40 average against major teams)
- Big Failure as a batsman.
- He was a failed Captain.
- He is not so bright.
- I do not rate wallaiti T20s, so present those stats (those stats simply mean nothing) from tutti bhajji teams to someone who does.
- He is retired from Pakistani Cricket (good for all parties). So whatever harm he has done it's all past now. at least future is saved.



http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=10630&d=1296087700

 

[W63L35]

Looks my post has hit really hit the soft spot here.

Who is this, may be someone used your ID?:

Changing your statement again... mr. Aian bain shain!

You are the one LYING here.

Here is what you said above....

sm got higher %age of moms in intls games,

I posted the MOMs from ALL INTERNATIONALS (test/ODI/T20Is) as you stated.

My post that you reposted (from jan 26, 2011) is about ODIs only.

Are you as ignorant (I am being polite here) ... as you show us to be?

 

[Black Zero]

Why do you want Shoaib Malik to return so badly as captain?

Not sure the guy even is thinking about captaincy, all he wants to do I'm sure is play in the team. Playing for the team should always be of higher priority than captaining it. And I'm sure that's true of Malik's intentions too. Much better for Malik to work his way back into the side first via performances. No need to rush him back into captaincy or start thinking about it.

I will have malik back in limited overs, but only if he bats opener, three or perhaps four. Ideally three. Hence perhaps it's better if he's not captain so someone else can force him to bat in those positions.

Leadership is the most important thing..without direction...Pakistan team would go no where.

Bad leaders cause you lose or Draw the matches which should be won.

He is a fighter, brings best out of our fighting players.

He is not an opener...we need who can finish the match...

 

[Black Zero]

No. Too much politicking.

MoYo Gone
Afridi Gone
Bari Gone
Yawer Saeed Gone

Now Inti/Waqar and Butt left...in few months... this would also be cleared ...and then Pakistan can go build a new team ...

 

[Black Zero]

shoaib malik should be kept really far away from the team....he's gonna take the team infighting to the next level

He is been out for sometime...

only thing that we observed that team is going down and down...

 

[Black Zero]

Looks my post has hit really hit the soft spot here.


Changing your statement again... mr. Aian bain shain!

You are the one LYING here.

Here is what you said above....

you quoted half of what I said, here is the missing clue "(already mentioned in your thread abt moms)"

I posted the MOMs from ALL INTERNATIONALS (test/ODI/T20Is) as you stated.

My post that you reposted (from jan 26, 2011) is about ODIs only.

Are you as ignorant (I am being polite here) ... as you show us to be?

.

 

[kingusama92]

I must say, you both deserve the award for best argument of all time.

Back and forth, no one willing to back down.

 

[Fireworks11]

^ Exactly my sentiments...enthralling argument guys. Great entertainment lol.

 

[Teesra]

^^^^yea agree, its not about proving whos better anymore, its about who wins the argument

 

[Riff]

I must say, you both deserve the award for best argument of all time.

Back and forth, no one willing to back down.

This W63 guy is just immature. For someone who isnt a Malik fan, he sure does like to spend alot of time on the Malik support thread

On a side note

The rest of the Sialkot team really let down their captain

 

[ads101]

This W63 guy is just immature. For someone who isnt a Malik fan, he sure does like to spend alot of time on the Malik support thread

On a side note

The rest of the Sialkot team really let down their captain

shahid yousuf, Ali Khan, Adeel Malik and Abdur Rehman all disagree

But yeah many didn't step up to the plate. While Shoaib Malik stepped up in batting, bowling was poor and captaincy wasn't as good as it usually was.

Batting on the whole was generally good, fast bowling was really the thing that let us down. Our fast bowling bench strength to our regular fast bowlers of Mohammed Asif and Naved ul Hasan is shocking to say the least

 

[emclub]

This W63 guy is just immature. For someone who isnt a Malik fan, he sure does like to spend alot of time on the Malik support thread

On a side note

The rest of the Sialkot team really let down their captain

More Truer words have never been spoken

 

[shoaib malik fans]

Shoaib malik is the best......

 

[Paradox]

Should be the second name penned in the final XI team sheet for each and every Pakistan ODI and Twenty20 after Afridi.

 

[Fallen King]

That's weird. Usually, it's supporter like Anwaar who has played bigger role in keeping this thread alive.

Now, it's biggest critics like W63L35 desperately trying to keep this thread alive. Truly appreciate your obsession for Shoaib Malik. LOL

Even, i, being supporter of Shoaib Malik don't even care whether Shoaib Malik is being selected or not. But you apparently do. Take my advice. Stay away from this thread. Too much obsession, and hatred aren't healthy, or at least to us, human being. Take a break, my friend. You don't need to be critics when the whole nation of Pakistan is already biggest critics of Shoaib Malik. You, relax and take a break. It's important for human being especially to process emotional properly is very important.

Remember, regardless of whether our brothers are...referring to Zardari, Mohammad Asif, Aamer, Salman Butt, Ijaz But.....etc, and let's add Shoaib Malik for the sake of you, but at the end, we are not supposed to hate even though you may not admit it, but hatred is very serious haraam, and unacceptable according to Islam. That's why i advise you to take a break from this thread. Otherwise, this thread will only harm you furthermore. I learned a lot from my past, and i pray and ask for my forgiveness of my past of criticizing, calling names, hating....and to be fair, these are activities of Shaytan. Remember, we are not Shaytan, and we are true followers of Islam. It's still not too late to ask for forgiveness and be proper Muslim, because criticizing like crazy, obsession and hatred, don't define the status of True Muslim is. Fear Allaah (SWT) alone for what our words are being monitored, and will be replayed like recorder in Afterlife. Take my advice serious, my friend. This thread is not worthy of your time. I care about you, and that's why i am saying this to you. Take a break from this thread. Better for you to defend against Shahid Khan Afridi haters, rather than being biggest hater of Shoaib Malik.

 

[Riff]

Should be the second name penned in the final XI team sheet for each and every Pakistan ODI and Twenty20 after Afridi.

You come across as the wisest Afridite on Pakpassion

 

[Riff]

That's weird. Usually, it's supporter like Anwaar who has played bigger role in keeping this thread alive.

Now, it's biggest critics like W63L35 desperately trying to keep this thread alive. Truly appreciate your obsession for Shoaib Malik. LOL

Even, i, being supporter of Shoaib Malik don't even care whether Shoaib Malik is being selected or not. But you apparently do. Take my advice. Stay away from this thread. Too much obsession, and hatred aren't healthy, or at least to us, human being. Take a break, my friend. You don't need to be critics when the whole nation of Pakistan is already biggest critics of Shoaib Malik. You, relax and take a break. It's important for human being especially to process emotional properly is very important.

Remember, regardless of whether our brothers are...referring to Zardari, Mohammad Asif, Aamer, Salman Butt, Ijaz But.....etc, and let's add Shoaib Malik for the sake of you, but at the end, we are not supposed to hate even though you may not admit it, but hatred is very serious haraam, and unacceptable according to Islam. That's why i advise you to take a break from this thread. Otherwise, this thread will only harm you furthermore. I learned a lot from my past, and i pray and ask for my forgiveness of my past of criticizing, calling names, hating....and to be fair, these are activities of Shaytan. Remember, we are not Shaytan, and we are true followers of Islam. It's still not too late to ask for forgiveness and be proper Muslim, because criticizing like crazy, obsession and hatred, don't define the status of True Muslim is. Fear Allaah (SWT) alone for what our words are being monitored, and will be replayed like recorder in Afterlife. Take my advice serious, my friend. This thread is not worthy of your time. I care about you, and that's why i am saying this to you. Take a break from this thread. Better for you to defend against Shahid Khan Afridi haters, rather than being biggest hater of Shoaib Malik.

Brother Malik Mohsin dropping knowledge on the ignorant ones

 

[Black Zero]

That's weird. Usually, it's supporter like Anwaar who has played bigger role in keeping this thread alive.

Now, it's biggest critics like W63L35 desperately trying to keep this thread alive. Truly appreciate your obsession for Shoaib Malik. LOL

Even, i, being supporter of Shoaib Malik don't even care whether Shoaib Malik is being selected or not.

Malik sahib, what kind of support is this?

But you apparently do. Take my advice. Stay away from this thread. Too much obsession, and hatred aren't healthy, or at least to us, human being. Take a break, my friend. You don't need to be critics when the whole nation of Pakistan is already biggest critics of Shoaib Malik.

ham kahan k dana the kis hunar mein yakta the
besabab hua 'Ghalib' dushman asman apna

You, relax and take a break. It's important for human being especially to process emotional properly is very important.

Remember, regardless of whether our brothers are...referring to Zardari, Mohammad Asif, Aamer, Salman Butt, Ijaz But.....etc, and let's add Shoaib Malik for the sake of you, but at the end, we are not supposed to hate even though you may not admit it, but hatred is very serious haraam, and unacceptable according to Islam.



That's why i advise you to take a break from this thread. Otherwise, this thread will only harm you furthermore. I learned a lot from my past, and i pray and ask for my forgiveness of my past of criticizing, calling names, hating....and to be fair, these are activities of Shaytan.

Remember, we are not Shaytan, and we are true followers of Islam. It's still not too late to ask for forgiveness and be proper Muslim, because criticizing like crazy, obsession and hatred, don't define the status of True Muslim is. Fear Allaah (SWT) alone for what our words are being monitored, and will be replayed like recorder in Afterlife. Take my advice serious, my friend. This thread is not worthy of your time. I care about you, and that's why i am saying this to you. Take a break from this thread.


How long this break should be? he is already not shown for last 48 hrs.
Better for you to defend against Shahid Khan Afridi haters, rather than being biggest hater of Shoaib Malik.

My assessment about WL is that he actually likes Malik a lot and knows his worth for Pakistan...

He just pretends to be his critic so that Malik's fans prove him wrong. (like urdu poetry, when poet complains for nothing).


and lastly, is watching cricket haram?

 

[Fallen King]

My assessment about WL is that he actually likes Malik a lot and knows his worth for Pakistan...

He just pretends to be his critic so that Malik's fans prove him wrong. (like urdu poetry, when poet complains for nothing).


and lastly, is watching cricket haram?

I was also given the same impression about him as you have mentioned above. But the obsession of player regardless of one hate or love, and nevertheless, it's not healthy at all. Therefore, one must take a break.

^ Yes, Watching Sport is Haraam and if that includes Cricket. Because of our love for game has made us very weak, and therefore, not many will admit to the truth which is understandable.

Remember, ODI and Test are real cricket, but one take the whole day, and rest take the whole week. Total waste of time, and rather take your real attention away for doing something productive, Praying Namaaz and Reading Qur'aan which requires at least one hour silent properly to read and understand properly. So, if Cricket distracts people away from productive activities, and doing some Islamic activities, then, as one being total waste of time, waste of day, waste of week, and therefore, that fit in the category of haraam in a way. It's just my opinion, but Cricket serves no purpose for the world except that the game is just entertainment in a way, if you spend your whole day/week/ of watching the game rather than doing something productive and doing some Islamic activities, then it does fit into the category of haraam though.

Like i said, not many people can handle truth. I am trying my best to keep an interest of cricket minimal, and therefore, that doesn't interfere my daily routine of praying five times a day, reading Qur'aan / Some Surah like Ya-Sin, Mulk....etc, and doing some productive, helping family, job...etc. Cricket is indeed not worthy of our time, my friend.

 

[WahabYorker]

I was also given the same impression about him as you have mentioned above. But the obsession of player regardless of one hate or love, and nevertheless, it's not healthy at all. Therefore, one must take a break.

^ Yes, Watching Sport is Haraam and if that includes Cricket. Because of our love for game has made us very weak, and therefore, not many will admit to the truth which is understandable.

Remember, ODI and Test are real cricket, but one take the whole day, and rest take the whole week. Total waste of time, and rather take your real attention away for doing something productive, Praying Namaaz and Reading Qur'aan which requires at least one hour silent properly to read and understand properly. So, if Cricket distracts people away from productive activities, and doing some Islamic activities, then, as one being total waste of time, waste of day, waste of week, and therefore, that fit in the category of haraam in a way. It's just my opinion, but Cricket serves no purpose for the world except that the game is just entertainment in a way, if you spend your whole day/week/ of watching the game rather than doing something productive and doing some Islamic activities, then it does fit into the category of haraam though.

Like i said, not many people can handle truth. I am trying my best to keep an interest of cricket minimal, and therefore, that doesn't interfere my daily routine of praying five times a day, reading Qur'aan / Some Surah like Ya-Sin, Mulk....etc, and doing some productive, helping family, job...etc. Cricket is indeed not worthy of our time, my friend.

Does that mean working is haram too since it interferes with praying timings? lol

sport is haram .. music is haram... TV is haram...internet is haram...
BS

just do everything accordingly...deen aur dunya both have to go at the same pace

 

[W63L35]

Now I understand why Anwaar likes Malik;

http://www.express.com.pk/images/NP_LHE/20110709/Sub_Images/1101282478-2.gif

 

[Black Zero]

Now I understand why Anwaar likes Malik;

http://www.express.com.pk/images/NP_LHE/20110709/Sub_Images/1101282478-2.gif

You mean Irfan Qadir?
FYI, He is relative of IB.

and if you talking about 6 member integrity committee then i don't know who is that mis-Judge

Zakir Khan, Sultan Rana, Mohsin Khan, Major najam and Colonel Waseem Ahmed and head IB (Subhan and Rizvi are also mentioned sometimes)

If any Pakistani Judge says that Malik isn't telling truth then it's very obvious that Malik must be telling truth!

I am following kaneria's case, let's hope Dani burst the bubble of this so called integrity committee.

I asked you this before but you failed to respond, hopefully you can ask this retd Judge then if Malik is not telling the truth, why pcb appointed him as a captain for Punjab (and Malik refused to play), HK Sixes, granted multiple NOCs (please ask retd Judge the meaning of NOC for clarification), allowed him to captain PIA and SS.

Only proven liars that I can think of atm are IB, Inti, Afridi, Rizvi, Subhan and co.

anyway, IB is on verge of saying goodbye and with that Dani and malik would be back ..Misbah will play one last series as captain and then Malik will be appointed captain of all three formats...

 

[W63L35]

If any Pakistani Judge says that Malik isn't telling truth then it's very obvious that Malik must be telling truth!

Only proven liars that I can think of atm are IB, Inti, Afridi, Rizvi, Subhan and co.

Pie-yawn, your ex-bhabi-jaan will beg to differ with you!

Only proven liars on the record and with proofs... is Malik......

[utube]IuS-9eG9_q8[/utube]
[utube]Y09yFVqyTH0[/utube]

 

[W63L35]

Repeat:

Q1: Who is that retd. Judge?
Q2: who are the other members?
Q3: Was Malik went to lie-detection test?
Q4: Why was he appointed skipper on various occasions by PCB?
Q5: Why was he given multiple NOCs?
Q6: Why Afridi lied about the reason behind not playing latest series (using father's illness as an excuse and then playing for club cricket)...He should have admitted that he wanted to secure his financials...right?
+

Your turn to answer few questions?
P#2801.

Why are you getting impatient ...like a 4 year old? I have sent your questions to the reporter who quoted in the following piece. Will get back to you once he replies.....

All I know, is your hero was called a blatant liar by . That is all.

 

[Black Zero]

Why are you getting impatient ...like a 4 year old? I have sent your questions to the reporter who quoted in the following piece. Will get back to you once he replies.....

All I know, is your hero was called a blatant liar by . That is all.

So how long should I wait?

Accept that you know nothing about the issue and all this integrity stuff if just a sham.
promise that you wont bring integrity again until you are able to clarify obvious flaws, so we can move forward?!

 

[W63L35]

So how long should I wait?

How do I know? Why don't you e-mail him and ask yourself. Here is his e-mail address;

i-am-crying-like-baby-since-ibutt-called-Malik-a-liar@jang.com

Accept that you know nothing about the issue and all this integrity stuff if just a sham.

All I said was that I don't MAKE-UP or ASSUME stuff like you do!

promise that you wont bring integrity again until you are able to clarify obvious flaws, so we can move forward?!

At least I don't pretend to know the meaning of "teen" still post lies on the forum!

 

[Black Zero]

How do I know? Why don't you e-mail him and ask yourself. Here is his e-mail address;

i-am-crying-like-baby-since-ibutt-called-Malik-a-liar@jang.com


All I said was that I don't MAKE-UP or ASSUME stuff like you do!



At least I don't pretend to know the meaning of "teen" still post lies on the forum!

so bottom line is THAT:

YOU KNOW NOTHING!

Thanks for confirmation.

 

[W63L35]

so bottom line is THAT:

YOU KNOW NOTHING!

Thanks for confirmation.

You are not telling the truth aaaaaaagiaaaan!!!

I have wealth of knowledge since I reading your posts.... now I know more than ever. He is what you have "taught" me;

1) Malik is better ODI captain than Imran Khan.
2) Malik is better opening batsman than Hanif Mohammad.
3) Malik can do NOTHING wrong.
4) Malik is the best fielder in Pakistan.
5) Sialkot is the best EVER domestic side in the WOLRD.
6) Crooks like Maha/Aaisha trapped innocent baby (Malik) in her trap.
7) Chief Justice is lying but Malik is telling the truth.


.....

so what is your excuse for this? You hero gives 90K BPs to "somebody" but does know his name?

 

[Black Zero]

You are not telling the truth aaaaaaagiaaaan!!!

I have wealth of knowledge since I reading your posts.... now I know more than ever. He is what you have "taught" me;

1) Malik is better ODI captain than Imran Khan.
2) Malik is better opening batsman than Hanif Mohammad.
3) Malik can do NOTHING wrong.
4) Malik is the best fielder in Pakistan.
5) Sialkot is the best EVER domestic side in the WOLRD.
6) Crooks like Maha/Aaisha trapped innocent baby (Malik) in her trap.
7) Chief Justice is lying but Malik is telling the truth.


.....

so what is your excuse for this? You hero gives 90K BPs to "somebody" but does know his name?

only new thing that you presented that he had an indian agent...
what a shock!!!

SM participated in many indian shows, what he supposed to do?

Hello, Rahat got indian agent!

by the way, i am still waiting,,,,

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=3985651&postcount=2806

 

[Sanchez]

I liked Shoaib Malik as a LOI batsman, dunno why he doesn't get picked. He's not suited for Tests but I think he holes out PAK a lot without wasting a lot of deliveries in ODIs unlike Misbah does.

 

[Black Zero]

Bump

 

[W63L35]

Bump

Yes... another road bump for Pakistan cricket!

 

[dhump]

He was a good LOI batsman but I think its time to move forward really. And from reports we all know he got a bad attitude in the dressing room.

Anyways he was one of my fav players in the past.

 

[saeed-sohail]

Anwaar bhai Ras Gullay aur Gulab Jaman kahan hain huzoor?

 

[Markhor]

I liked Shoaib Malik as a LOI batsman, dunno why he doesn't get picked. He's not suited for Tests but I think he holes out PAK a lot without wasting a lot of deliveries in ODIs unlike Misbah does.

He was a good LOI batsman but I think its time to move forward really. And from reports we all know he got a bad attitude in the dressing room.

Anyways he was one of my fav players in the past.

Really ? A good LOI batsman ? Sounds like a myth that needs to be dispelled here.

I think people are living off his past successes against India at home on flat tracks. Omit those and the matches against Hong Kong,Bangladesh and the lucky run of form against India etc and you have an average of 29.31.Omit performances on the flat tracks in Pakistan where you can score runs with a stick of rhubarb,his average dips further to 25.27.

For the last 3 years - still omitting the above teams,his average is 21.19.

 

[Black Zero]

Anwaar bhai Ras Gullay aur Gulab Jaman kahan hain huzoor?

Sure, just waiting for him to be selected as captain...

 

[Fireworks11]

The moment is fast approaching...Malik in a Pakistan shirt again. He'll need to really make the most of it when he plays, can't afford too many poor innings in his first few games.

 

[shoaib malik fans]

these were all Rumors about grouping and damaging Pakistan cricket.you can not blame him.he was not bad than the other guys.what yousaf did with pakistan "captain nahi bnao gy to ICL" he refused to represent his country sitting with kapil dev. he did it again in last ODI in AUS.when he was made captain he was no where near to Shoaib Malik.he was also center of anti-younus group with ajmal,afridi,rana and etc.

Mr Boom boom is immature.some time retire,come back after one game phir gya.phir conditional retirement .is this pakistan cricket or Joke.Captain nahi bnao gy tu nahi kheelon ga.he also refused to represent pakistan.prefer to play county.

I am proud of you Malik.you never refused to represent pakistan.always ready play for his country at any position.

one thing more people who blamed malik for grouping they said same for afridi.they said Pakistan lost last two Odi's because of afridi.Afridi was also said negative by team coach, manager and PCB chairman.phir double standard kyun?
ES lea k wo Over-rated player nahi hai

 

[Riff]

Great occasion to bump this thread. It seems his return is imminent

 

[shoaib malik fans]

Great occasion to bump this thread. It seems his return is imminent

he is the next captain without any doubt

 

[W63L35]

Really ? A good LOI batsman ? Sounds like a myth that needs to be dispelled here.

I think people are living off his past successes against India at home on flat tracks. Omit those and the matches against Hong Kong,Bangladesh and the lucky run of form against India etc and you have an average of 29.31.Omit performances on the flat tracks in Pakistan where you can score runs with a stick of rhubarb,his average dips further to 25.27.

For the last 3 years - still omitting the above teams,his average is 21.19.

...and yet kids getting excited over this "siasi" guy's selection!!

 

[Easa]

W63L35: of all people, surely you can't be taking stats like Markhor's very seriously.

Why on Earth would you omit a batsman's notable performances when discussing his merits? By that token, if I were to omit all of Tendulkar's 100's, his average would be considerably less than impressive. Would that mean he isn't a quality player?