Shoaib Malik Support & Performance Watch

[W63L35]

This is a fun thread

I have been saying all along....!

How many times you get to bash a player for these many matches and this long... and the fan who supports that player!

Notice I left these type of fans out!

 

[Fireworks11]

Depressing run with blade contunues.

2 wickets though, not bad.

 

[VTEC]

2 wickets though, not bad.

Bangladesh Tail
#9 #10

 

[saeed-sohail]

BZ aur Riff bhai aap iss record pe koi vishesh tippani farmaaye ge.

filtered 9 8 1 40 14 5.71 65 61.53

Bohat din hue hain.

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[the Great Khan]

Amazing average ..i reckon i could manage that average..

 

[khalil1986]

Amazing average ..i reckon i could manage that average..

LOL it would actually be pretty hard not to, even the likes of Ajmal have a much higher average.

 

[Riff]

Failed with the bat but got 2 wickets. Lol at those butthurt that they were only batsmen at no.9 and 10 positions

If they were upper batsmen, then they would have some other reason to criticise it

As Basit said, Malik needs to be persisted with sit

And if you dont care what he thinks then tough. Its not like that would stop Malik from being selected

 

[saeed-sohail]

Yes those wickets were meaningless because game was already over. One was a poor call by the umpire anyway.

 

[saeed-sohail]

By the way what's your opinion as a PAK fan on his average of 5 over 9 games since his return.

 

[Riff]

^^^^^^^^

You have to take wickets whichever way they come. It wasnt Malik's fault that the umpire gave it out. Like I said, if the match was still on and Malik got 2 wickets of the upper order batsman, people would find some other way to criticise it.

Basit was spot on!

 

[VTEC]

Malik is a special child of PCB

When a Non Purchi player doesnt perform in 2-3 matches he is dropped
But they persist with Purchi Players after continued failures

@Riff i havent noticed Afridi was turning the ball more than Shane Warne on this pitch
it was a spinners paradise

Malik took 2x Tail Wickets on a Spinning Track
and not just any tail it was the Bangladesh tail

Ur very easily satisfied by mediocre performance bro

 

[UP]

He was a great, great ODI player before he got the power. After he lost his captaincy, he has gone downhill at a shocking pace.

Whoever defends his recent performances have extremely low standards.

He might get a chance in the 1st ODI and if he doesn't click there either, he might get a boot for at least a year.

 

[UmarAkmals-fan]

super mama ready onee toww three ..pa pa pa paan pa pa pa paan pa pa paan ..malik- la -usless ..usless -la-malik ..he-in team -because-sania -husband u ..kick-him u -before-la -too-late ..ok mama now tune change mama Why This Kolaveri Kolaveri Kolaveri

 

[ShahidAfridi_rulez]

Job well done by Malik. Got 2 runs wow!

 

[Markhor]

) At 5.71 average.

Saeed Ajmal has a better average in that time period.

 

[ShahidAfridi_rulez]

^

 

[saeed-sohail]

I am waiting for BZ to make sense of 5.7

 

[Hassan0987]

Enough is enough

Ab Malik bhai ko chale jaana chahiye

 

[Fireworks11]

Welcome sir jee. Aaj koi maza nahi aaya. BZ seem to be on Zardari mufahmat policy. Guy rips him and he is asking for votes.

#5000.

Recap.

This is a Malik support thread.

Sameaweera is better then Viv Richards.

Malik is better then bradman.

Malik is a better captain then Imran khan.

Malik and YK main unees bhees ka faraq hai.

if it hurts you personally, i wont repeat it.

Koi Japan China k sath series hai hamari? :YK

Enough is enough. This talentless wonder should be taken out of a cricket field and put in the museum.

Classic gems. ) )

What a thread. Pure comedy.

 

[Usman]

Any chance Malik can get Indian citizenship? At least something good will come out his marriage with Sania!

At least he's getting exercise constantly walking to and from the crease.

 

[saeed-sohail]

Usman that exercise bit made me laugh.

 

[saeed-sohail]

Lagta hai BZ rooth gaye hain. Shreemaan iss 5.71 duara apki vishesh tippani ka intezaar hai.

 

[W63L35]

Lagta hai BZ rooth gaye hain. Shreemaan iss 5.71 duara apki vishesh tippani ka intezaar hai.

See post # 5041..... he has already explained it.

) At 5.71 average.

Saeed Ajmal has a better average in that time period.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...1;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

 

[saeed-sohail]

^^^ is that him not minnow basher post?

 

[Black Zero]

I am waiting for BZ to make sense of 5.7

Think about 5.7 earth quake ...
Expect something special against England.

FYI, he never performed against minnows (BD).

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...tart;template=results;type=batting;view=match

 

[Black Zero]

He was a great, great ODI player before he got the power. After he lost his captaincy, he has gone downhill at a shocking pace.

He was highest scorer in SL test series (YK was captain)

Whoever defends his recent performances have extremely low standards.

No we are defending him based on his his future performances.
Winning matches from the jaws of certain defeats.
So our standards are very high

He might get a chance in the 1st ODI and if he doesn't click there either, he might get a boot for at least a year.

Well nothing much happening in next one year except matches against BD and UK.

If PCB able to secure a series against India then Malik would be back.

 

[UP]

He was highest scorer in SL test series (YK was captain)
That was more than two years ago. You are still living on that? Shame.


No we are defending him based on his his future performances.
Winning matches from the jaws of certain defeats.
So our standards are very high
Please tell me the future lottery numbers.


Well nothing much happening in next one year except matches against BD and UK.

If PCB able to secure a series against India then Malik would be back.

Might be more than a year ... perhaps never.

 

[Black Zero]

Might be more than a year ... perhaps never.

I was disproving your theory of "going down hill after losing captaincy"

 

[Black Zero]

Any chance Malik can get Indian citizenship? At least something good will come out his marriage with Sania!

At least he's getting exercise constantly walking to and from the crease.

to my knowledge, India don't allow dual-citizenship otherwise

 

[saeed-sohail]

I think 5.7 is a great progress. UK and US would love to have that growth rate.

 

[UP]

So you are living on his Test performances more than two years ago.

You have high standards because you can predict future. Lottery numbers please!

If he doesn't perform in next match if he plays, he might get a boot for ever.

Let's get one fact right, which you always seem to misunderstand - he was a good ODI player before his captaincy stint. I'm sorry to break your heart but he is playing like a crap ever since he got stripped off captaincy.

 

[UP]

I think 5.7 is a great progress. UK and US would love to have that growth rate.

SS bhai, you mean 57 or 5.7?

 

[Black Zero]

So you are living on his Test performances more than two years ago.

You have high standards because you can predict future. Lottery numbers please!

If he doesn't perform in next match if he plays, he might get a boot for ever.

Let's get one fact right, which you always seem to misunderstand - he was a good ODI player before his captaincy stint. I'm sorry to break your heart but he is playing like a crap ever since he got stripped off captaincy.

that's not true as i gave you two examples, one each for Test and ODIs

if you really interested in solving this mystery then you have to dig deep

 

[UP]

that's not true as i gave you two examples, one each for Test and ODIs

if you really interested in solving this mystery then you have to dig deep

You ignored my whole post and gave me useless examples where one performed more than TWO years ago, I repeat MORE THAN TWO YEARS AGO, incase you have trouble reading or understanding.

He is playing for a god damn International side, not for a do takey ki mohalla team.

Perform or get out, millions are waiting for their chance.

 

[Black Zero]

You ignored my whole post and gave me useless examples where one performed more than TWO years ago, I repeat MORE THAN TWO YEARS AGO, incase you have trouble reading or understanding.

He is playing for a god damn International side, not for a do takey ki mohalla team.

Perform or get out, millions are waiting for their chance.

even it was 200 years ago, still it was AFTER he lost captaincy...
so you are proven incorrect. :logic

 

[UP]

even it was 200 years ago, still it was AFTER he lost captaincy...
so you are proven incorrect. :logic

You can't understand English language.

ESL courses might help.

 

[Syndrome]

Wait a second. There are still people defending Malik?

 

[Black Zero]

Wait a second. There are still people defending Malik?

Yes sit

 

[saeed-sohail]

Bump by ref. Break is over isupport resume ki jaaye.

 

[>>FaHaD<<]

He was a good player!

He CAN be a good player.

But he is relatively old and out of touch. Why persist with someone who is as out of form and demotivated as Malik when you have loads of young talen just waiting to get a chance.

And WHY ANOTHER SPIN ALL ROUNDER? Dont we already have enough spinners? Ajmal, Afridi, Hafeez and Rehman. Its a no brainer that Hammad Azzam should be played instead of Malik to fill the boots of an all rounder and replace Razzaq, who after years of service to his country is reaching his end. How many pace all rounders do we have as opposed to spin all rounders that we persist with another one in the name of Malik?

 

[Blitz]

i think 5.7 is a great progress. Uk and us would love to have that growth rate.

 

[Blitz]

I'm no massive SM fan, but did you just pull this out of your ass or what?

Sometimes you have to


But, not this time......



That figure is quite near to the truth for Shoaib Malik. Its different for every player, so a ball park figure always helps.

 

[Smooth_Operator]

I feel really bad for Malik, in the beginning I was supporting him to bounce back, however I don't know if that is going to happen now...

Malik had the ability to be much better than he is, but that's nothing new.

Poor Malik lol.

 

[the Great Khan]

He was highest scorer in SL test series (YK was captain)



No we are defending him based on his his future performances.
Winning matches from the jaws of certain defeats.
So our standards are very high



Well nothing much happening in next one year except matches against BD and UK.

If PCB able to secure a series against India then Malik would be back.

sorry but what? defending him for some unknown future performances that he may or may not produce. Now you said this before he was selected, but now that he has been selected and has played two whole series I believe thats enough to predict his future performances!

what exceptional logic!

 

[the Great Khan]

I feel really bad for Malik, in the beginning I was supporting him to bounce back, however I don't know if that is going to happen now...

Malik had the ability to be much better than he is, but that's nothing new.

Poor Malik lol.

i feel bad for everyone who pays money to watch this feeble cricketer attempt to play the game. And to think a few years ago he was strutting around like he owned the team! How the mighty fall.!

 

[Markhor]

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...1;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

Damning list, sure its only 8 innings but considering Bangladesh and Zimbabwe are amongst the opponents then for a supposed middle order batsman it is mediocre.

Some of the players who have roughly played the same number of innings in that time frame - Fidel Edwards (9), Imrul Kayes (9), Carlton Baugh (8), Chanaka Welegedara (7), Peter Siddle (6) etc and have scored more runs.

 

[Black Zero]

sorry but what? defending him for some unknown future performances that he may or may not produce. Now you said this before he was selected, but now that he has been selected and has played two whole series I believe thats enough to predict his future performances!

what exceptional logic!

when he played whole series, please?

 

[Saqs]

BZ - your superstar of a player has contributed your namesake since his 'comeback'. Exactly that. Big Black Zero.

 

[Black Zero]

BZ - your superstar of a player has contributed your namesake since his 'comeback'. Exactly that. Big Black Zero.

What nick name do you suggest?
300 ?

 

[W63L35]

So BZ, can you ranking these six players for their batting in test and ODIs separately?

Malik
Inzi
Moyo
YK
Saeed
Sohail

 

[Black Zero]

So BZ, can you ranking these six players for their batting in test and ODIs separately?

Malik
Inzi
Moyo
YK
Saeed
Sohail

I thought, i already answered this question few days back in a better way as i included some other batsmen (i.e. JM) in the ranking.

Regarding tests, Malik is initial stages of the his test career. I'll answer this part after his 58th test match.

 

[saeed-sohail]

So BZ, can you ranking these six players for their batting in test and ODIs separately?

Malik
Inzi
Moyo
YK
Saeed
Sohail

BZs reply to WL.

Plz ignore the word zindagi.



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[Black Zero]

BZs reply to WL.

Plz ignore the word zindagi.



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SS, you asked me a question and I provided a detailed answer...but that made you not so happy.

and then you started asking for poll...instead of accepting or challenging my response...

So I have to be extra sensitive about other's feeling when replying to questions...

 

[W63L35]

I thought, i already answered this question few days back in a better way as i included some other batsmen (i.e. JM) in the ranking.

So that was ODI ranking? I asked you but you did not clarify.

Inzi
Saeed
Malik
MoYo
Aamir


not including YK as he has to do something to be included.

OK... so is it safe to assume that the six would be ranked by you as?
Inzi
Saeed
Malik
MoYo
Aamir
YK

Regarding tests, Malik is initial stages of the his test career. I'll answer this part after his 58th test match.

Yet to proved that Malik is better opening batsman than Hanif. If you can compare Malik (who batted as opening batsman in only 7 tests).....with Hanif then you can compare Malik with Inzi, Moyo, Saeed, Sohail and YK.

Let see..... your test ranking..... pleeeeeeeeeeease?

 

[saeed-sohail]

SS, you asked me a question and I provided a detailed answer...but that made you not so happy.

and then you started asking for poll...instead of accepting or challenging my response...

So I have to be extra sensitive about other's feeling when replying to questions...

You still have not given me you vishash tippani on 5.71.

 

[MVP26]

Malik is worse than a tailender )

 

[saeed-sohail]

Yes test rankings pls including malik. 32 test are more then enough. YK had 6 hundreds and avg of 39+ by then.

 

[Black Zero]

So that was ODI ranking? I asked you but you did not clarify.




OK... so is it safe to assume that the six would be ranked by you as?
Inzi
Saeed
Malik
MoYo
Aamir
YK






Yet to proved that Malik is better opening batsman than Hanif. If you can compare Malik (who batted as opening batsman in only 7 tests).....with Hanif then you can compare Malik with Inzi, Moyo, Saeed, Sohail and YK.

Let see..... your test ranking..... pleeeeeeeeeeease?

yes, its very safe.

re: test openers, i have looked those 7 tests in a different way...check my argument with taveez in this thread...

i recently compared malik to yk in tests and malik wasn't bad. (this was the second approach we used for comparison, earlier we compared carrer paths)
i do not know much about saeed/aamir test data so can't say much.

jm
inzi
moyo (though overall not a good test player, considering running, fielding)
zaheer

i wont include yk in the list down as ss will be angry.

 

[Black Zero]

You still have not given me you vishash tippani on 5.71.

i gave you the same day...

browse back

 

[saeed-sohail]

BZ bhai 33=39 in your world(unees bhees)

What about YK playing 14 of those 32 in Eng WI of Ambrose and walsh, Aus of Warne and McGrath+NZ .
Malik has only 8 out 32 in those countries.

 

[Black Zero]

Yes test rankings pls including malik. 32 test are more then enough. YK had 6 hundreds and avg of 39+ by then.

i do not want the comparison again of their career path, maybe shakil can do this for us?

 

[saeed-sohail]

Why would I be angry? Its not as if you are Imran Khan.

 

[Black Zero]

BZ bhai 33=39 in your world(unees bhees)

What about YK playing 14 of those 32 in Eng WI of Ambrose and walsh, Aus of Warne and McGrath+NZ .
Malik has only 8 out 32 in those countries.

SS, I am trying to avoid comparing with YK (as it hurts you)...why do not you ask me to compare malik with some player you hate

 

[Black Zero]

Why would I be angry? Its not as if you are Imran Khan.

maybe you were not angry but you lost sweetness for sure.

 

[saeed-sohail]

SS, I am trying to avoid comparing with YK (as it hurts you)...why do not you ask me to compare malik with some player you hate

Because you say that Malik and YK are similar test players(unees bhees).

 

[saeed-sohail]

maybe you were not angry but you lost sweetness for sure.

4.53am is not sweetness time my friend.

 

[W63L35]

yes, its very safe.

re: test openers, i have looked those 7 tests in a different way...check my argument with taveez in this thread...

i recently compared malik to yk in tests and malik wasn't bad. (this was the second approach we used for comparison, earlier we compared carrer paths)
i do not know much about saeed/aamir test data so can't say much.

jm
inzi
moyo (though overall not a good test player, considering running, fielding)
zaheer

i wont include yk in the list down as ss will be angry.

Yaaar ... ab goli tu na du na.... ke takkaluf kar tahey ho???

Every comaprsion is done differetn way.... and the you argument that Malik has not played 58 tests, goes out of the window when you proved Malik is better than Hanif.

Are you saying that you are familiar with Saeed/Sohail's ODI to rank them but you are not familiar with their test record? Strange!

Here ....... check out saeed and sohail's test careers..
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/42605.html?class=1;template=results;type=batting

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/38967.html?class=1;template=results;type=batting


So now can you add... Malik, Saeed, Sohail and Yk to your test ranking... come on chaudry.... itnay nakhray tu koi mashooqa bhi nahi karti!

 

[Black Zero]

BZ bhai 33=39 in your world(unees bhees)

What about YK playing 14 of those 32 in Eng WI of Ambrose and walsh, Aus of Warne and McGrath+NZ .
Malik has only 8 out 32 in those countries.

these questions/objections will always be there as we are not doing comparison in labs...
even in labs we need to calibrate/zero correct/normalize the data.

so i feel that comparison based on matches played together/against is the fairest one can get.

 

[saeed-sohail]

these questions/objections will always be there as we are not doing comparison in labs...
even in labs we need to calibrate/zero correct/normalize the data.

so i feel that comparison based on matches played together/against is the fairest one can get.

And yes that where YK averages 17 I repeat 17 runs more then Malik and has 5 more 100s.

 

[Black Zero]

Yaaar ... ab goli tu na du na.... ke takkaluf kar tahey ho???

Every comaprsion is done differetn way.... and the you argument that Malik has not played 58 tests, goes out of the window when you proved Malik is better than Hanif.

Are you saying that you are familiar with Saeed/Sohail's ODI to rank them but you are not familiar with their test record? Strange!

Here ....... check out saeed and sohail's test careers..
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/42605.html?class=1;template=results;type=batting

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/38967.html?class=1;template=results;type=batting


So now can you add... Malik, Saeed, Sohail and Yk to your test ranking... come on chaudry.... itnay nakhray tu koi mashooqa bhi nahi karti!

tbh, i do not know much abt saeed and AS's test performances

you can use them as floater in the list.

and you can put yk=malik at the end...but hide it from ss.

 

[saeed-sohail]

Yaaar ... ab goli tu na du na.... ke takkaluf kar tahey ho???



So now can you add... Malik, Saeed, Sohail and Yk to your test ranking... come on chaudry.... itnay nakhray tu koi mashooqa bhi nahi karti!

Yaar Malik ke saath mere sheroon ka naam toh na lo.

 

[saeed-sohail]

tbh, i do not know much abt saeed and AS's test performances

you can use them as floater in the list.

and you can put yk=malik at the end...but hide it from ss.

All I have to say

51=33
57=40
17=2.

Meaning banda pagal ho gya hai, Allah rehm farmaaye.

 

[W63L35]

Yaar Malik ke saath mere sheroon ka naam toh na lo.

Yaar... murghi ko dana dal raha tha ...magar lagta hai, murghi ka pait bhara hua hai!

 

[Black Zero]

And yes that where YK averages 17 I repeat 17 runs more then Malik and has 5 more 100s.

my guru oscar says that The truth is rarely pure and never simple.

the difference is not 17 point even we adopt your simple model. (hint: 10/11 point difference)
and that's not a proud position to be in for a legend who's batting at #3 and "talent-less wonder who batting at #7)

 

[W63L35]

my guru oscar says that The truth is rarely pure and never simple.

the difference is not 17 point even we adopt your simple model.

What has our biggest guru (Allah) has told you about speaking truth?

 

[saeed-sohail]

my guru oscar says that The truth is rarely pure and never simple.

the difference is not 17 point even we adopt your simple model.

I dont tell lies.

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unfiltered 2000-2011 71 125 9 5940 313 51.20 11222 52.93 18 25
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filtered 2002-2009 20 36 1 1987 313 56.77 3566 55.72 7 5

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unfiltered 2001-2010 32 54 6 1606 148* 33.45 3617 44.40 2 8 4 209 13 Profile
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[saeed-sohail]

my guru oscar says that The truth is rarely pure and never simple.

the difference is not 17 point even we adopt your simple model. (hint: 10/11 point difference)
and that's not a proud position to be in for a legend who's batting at #3 and "talent-less wonder who batting at #7)

WL ab tum hi faisla karo.

56.7-40= 16.7 or 10/11?

 

[Black Zero]

I dont tell lies.

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filtered 2002-2009 20 36 1 1987 313 56.77 3566 55.72 7 5

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i didn't say that you lied...just didn't pick.
check the innings column...i always advise wl to pay attention to little details...

 

[Black Zero]

WL ab tum hi faisla karo.

56.7-40= 16.7 or 10/11?

seems a very neutral judge to me

 

[Black Zero]

What has our biggest guru (Allah) has told you about speaking truth?

I try my best!
but truth is not an easy thing to find, you have to dig deep and dig hard...

and still it wont be pure.