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Simple question again does he deserve a place as a batsman based on 6.81 over eleven games?
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He was selected as a batsman in eng..failed miserably..selected as a batsman recently..failed miserably..so we should select him as a bowler only?? Kyon jee malik kay chachay ki team hay??
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Khala firdos ki team hai.
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Nai zardari ke team hai nai nawaz ke hai oh sorry mushraf ke oh koi aur reh gaya wah g wah kurban jayo ap ke socho per its pakistan team brother so take care for that k kay chachaa
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We play 4 Proper Bowlers
We also play Afridi and Hafeez
Thats total 6 Bowlers
From those 6 three are Spinners
We have Ajmal, Hafeez, Afridi all three ranked in Top 10 ODI Bowlers
No additional Bowlers are needed
We need Batsmen and like u said
U acknowledge he failed as a batsman
U cannot deny Ajmal Hafeez Afridi are better Spinners
U can see we already have 6 Bowlers
Malik is not needed
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Is there anyone still even "supporting" anymore in the "support" thread lol
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u will be surprised bro -.-
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Good to see this has turned into a Shoaib Mailk "Bash" Thread 
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Amazing thread. 100 page barrier will be broken.
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The Shoaib Malik 'Support' Thread VS Shoaib Malik! Who scored the most runs!
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A true test/international batsman should have a good firstclass record.
Anyone know what's SM's firstclass batting average?
Anyone know what's SM's firstclass batting average?
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I just checked but I must be mistaken because it shows his firstclass average as 33.4.
Could this be true? If so then I'd like to apologise to firstclass maestros such as Hick and Ramps, because Malik is not even a domestic bully. In fact his entire batting record is distinctly average.
How can a player with such a record be expected to do consistently well at international level.
It's also another nail in BZ's argument about Malik ending up with a similar average to that of YK.
Why? Because YK averages 50 in Firstclass cricket and has the ability whereas Malik if Malik can't do it in our domestic system then what chance does he have in international cricket??
Could this be true? If so then I'd like to apologise to firstclass maestros such as Hick and Ramps, because Malik is not even a domestic bully. In fact his entire batting record is distinctly average.
How can a player with such a record be expected to do consistently well at international level.
It's also another nail in BZ's argument about Malik ending up with a similar average to that of YK.
Why? Because YK averages 50 in Firstclass cricket and has the ability whereas Malik if Malik can't do it in our domestic system then what chance does he have in international cricket??
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Yes but YK and Malik have similar career path in test cricket.
After 20 games YK averages 45 and Malik 35.
After 33 tests YK averaged 40 Malik 33.
YK had 6 hundreds Malik 2.
To me it's freakish how similar records they have.
Another thing that proves this theory is the test matches(20) they featured together.
YK averages 57 Malik 40.
Again YK has 7 hundreds Malik 2.
After 20 games YK averages 45 and Malik 35.
After 33 tests YK averaged 40 Malik 33.
YK had 6 hundreds Malik 2.
To me it's freakish how similar records they have.
Another thing that proves this theory is the test matches(20) they featured together.
YK averages 57 Malik 40.
Again YK has 7 hundreds Malik 2.
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I'm going to have to disagree with that reasoning. There are a lot of players who have had average domestic careers but have done well internationally. Most recently, you should look at Azhar Ali's stats. If you take out his Test stats from his FC stats, his FC stats are quite ordinary. Not saying that Malik has done better in tests than domestic matches, just trying to make a point that just because your domestic average is low doesn't mean you can't do well in intl crkt
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^^^ who cares about pak domestic cricket? If malik was playing in county he would average 100 easily...pak domestic is not worthy of his immense talunts..
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Azhar Ali hasn't played firstclass or international cricket on and off for 10/12 years! That's the difference!
Those with poorer firstclass records who have done well internationally have just done that, I.E they have succeeded.
On the hand SM has done nothing internationally on a aceptably consistent basis BUT doesn't even have a decent firstclass record to fall back on..
It's almost criminal how a player like SM keeps getting selected over upcoming players...
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BZ bhai news achi nahi hai.
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BZ bhai news achi nahi hai.
Malik is a lucky charm
pakistan hasn't lost any match when malik played....
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Enjoy YK as he wont be here for long.
i won't reply to your partial stats as then it wud make you a sad.
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Fawad Alam is also a lucky charm. He did nothing in World T20 2009 and check the result.
Why don't we include him in Playing XI in Next World T20?
Why don't we include him in Playing XI in Next World T20?
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The third guy apart from BZ and Riff is not replying i wonder where he is 
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Any 11 Random guys from Domestic Cricket will win vs Zim and Ban
vs SL we were 10 vs 11
Malik is dead weight and needs to be kicked
If u want Lucky Charm then bring in Fawad Alam atleast he will make more runs than Malik and provide the luck aswell
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He needs time.... if we stick with him, he will be our major batsman for LOI.. and im not kidding 
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Will Malik b slected in Playinmg XI to get his batting form back 
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He needs time.... if we stick with him, he will be our major batsman for LOI.. and im not kidding
Is 12 years not enough time?
Why not give a youngster 12 months to succeed? I'm sure that would be enough time for someone to cement their place.
Can you give reasons as to why you think Malik could be succesful as a batsman? How does his overall record inspire you with confidence?
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He needs time.... if we stick with him, he will be our major batsman for LOI.. and im not kidding
0, 17, 2, 2*, 0, 2, 11, 7, 14, 2, 3, 3, 9
Is this not sticking enough?
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^ Seems completely stuck to me.
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as BZ would say........
but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but (not
) ... he is not a minnow-basher. Only 
and 
are.
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Black Zero said:
you need to establish your statements with data first...
Where is the damn data???????????????????????
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One day , A thesis will be written on this thread. I am sure some of the arguments must have been repeated like 50 times.
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That must be some sort of record! Well done mr mirza
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Lol , True. It is a hardwork though. Well , I must say it takes some balls to be a malik fan at the moment and defending him as he is don bradman.you need to establish your statements with data first...
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Is that maths homework for a two year old?
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Malik will score 250 in an odi game :bz
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Lol , True. It is a hardwork though. Well , I must say it takes some balls to be a malik fan at the moment and defending him as he is don bradman.
There are some other possibilities.... besides being fan.... specially if the fans are blind enough to see that Malik has never done anything wrong....
+ the person defending Malik could be Malik himself.
+ the person defending Malik could be Sania.
+ the person defending Malik could be a Malik relative.
+ the person defending Malik could be a Malik friend.
+ the person defending Malik could be a teenage girl with a huge crush on Malik.
+ the person defending Malik could be just plain stupid.
+ the person defending Malik could be brilliant at trolling.
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I suspect the last one.
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You forgot:
The person defending Malik might be getting paid to do so.
Chris Martin is worse.
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+ the person defending Malik could be <img src="http://lh3.ggpht.com/-mC4SUL2Pp2k/Tt4EEhaPdrI/AAAAAAAAFV0/bIuNjEdTSlY/s800/FAA.png" >
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Liar liar ... pants of fire.... !
Against Zim/SL he batted at #5 in four ODIs.
Against BD he batted at #6 in two ODIs.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...an;template=results;type=batting;view=innings
08 Sep 2011 ODI # 3188 vs Zim 4-129 (Shoaib Malik is out at 25.5 ov)
14 Sep 2011 ODI # 3194 vs Zim Malik come to bat in 34th over.
20 Nov 2011 ODI # 3215 vs SL 4-69 (Shoaib Malik is out at 21.6 ov)
23 Nov 2011 ODI # 3216 vs SL 4-113 (Shoaib Malik is out at 25.3 ov)
03 Dec 2011 ODI # 3220 vs BD Malik come to bat in 39th over.
06 Dec 2011 ODI # 3222 vs BD Malik come to bat in 36th over.
SS.... sharam karo yar... ab tu vote de du... yeh to jhoot and sach main jang hai!
just to be on same page, i was talking about 3rd ODI
There were reports about Malik Playing One-Down, and i had mentioned it in farhat's thread.
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Misbah/YK could have given Malik a break but they are so insecure.
anyway no biggy..
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He refuses to play at top order. Read his statement when he was under trial by Integrity committee
http://express.com.pk/epaper/PoPupwindow.aspx?newsID=1101111300&Issue=NP_LHE&Date=20101202
- Check in PP Interview section and see what Malik says about this issue.
- Go through this thread as i have also addressed this issue and also asked a simple question...that is still unanswered.
answer that question and we can go from there.
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70 Pages and you want me to go through this thread which is on Crap player?
Why don't you answer this simple question
Should he be selected in squad against England series in UAE?
This is what he did after comeback
His last 38 innings performance
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if you care to post in this thread, you ought to read the background of the discussion...otherwise new comers will keep jumping in the "end" of discussion and needlessly keep asking same old questions.
nothing against you...but if you can't read then don't expect others to spoon feed you.
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I never knew that you also like blue color like WL...
anyway, i counted on you for vote...next time i'll try to use blue as my font color.
I wonder how you knew on Nov 28th (when you casted the vote) that WL likes Blue as WL posted on Dec 6th (effect before cause)...
now, qq, are you withdrawing your withdrawal?
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He needs time.... if we stick with him, he will be our major batsman for LOI.. and im not kidding
can't agree more.
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Thats the reason, I have to pass questions that has been asked 100 of times and answered atleast 10 times.
But then some want personalized answers ...so not really a win situation.
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Why should I care about ''Background of the discussion''?
My Question is on Malik's recent failure(s). Why don't you answer that one instead of ignoring it?
Should he be selected in squad against England series?
This is what he did after comeback
His last 38 innings performance
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you need to establish your statements with data first...
Where is the damn data???????????????????????
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...ed;orderby=runs;template=results;type=batting
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[/QUOTE]Why should I care about ''Background of the discussion''?
My Question is on Malik's recent failure(s). Why don't you answer that one instead of ignoring it?
Should he be selected in squad against England series?
This is what he did after comeback
His last 38 innings performance
of course yes!
(had you gone through this thread, you wudn'y have asked this question)
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I checked the scorecard at cricinfo...Malik and ajmal got three each...while ajmal was helped by umpire (so technically he got two)
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Problem with answering your question is that you ask question and then you disappears for weeks and return with same/different question...
i have answered in other thread that why Muzy stopped supporting Malik
cause Malik refused to give him/her an autograph...
and Muzy mentioned this in a furious post ...serach it yourself or ask him/her.
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some facts about this season:
Malik played most of the ODI/T20 series.
Malik was not given chance in Tests.
Only one series left and then there is a big gap...
and, FYI
next season, Malik will be back.. :Riff
Malik played most of the ODI/T20 series.
Malik was not given chance in Tests.
Only one series left and then there is a big gap...
and, FYI
next season, Malik will be back.. :Riff
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0, 17, 2, 2*, 0, 2, 11, 7, 14, 2, 3, 3, 9
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of course yes!
(had you gone through this thread, you wudn'y have asked this question)[/QUOTE]
And Reason?
Parchi of Firdous Aashiq Awan?
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Bz bara hi dheet hay tu yaar bus ker ab
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oh oh sorry for yo prtencon pindgsonifieood
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12 years in the team? Achievements please.
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Riff you were asking about that match Malik quit, well heres an article from cricinfo:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/208310.html
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Should have been banned for this act.
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for Riff:
I am surprised if you were not aware of this incident.
in that tournament there was a rule of penalty runs awarded to opponent if team bowls at slow over rate.
SS got awarded penalty runs..and while defending the target Malik ensured that their over rate remain better than required..and he kept asking the officials and was told numerous times that over rate of SS was fine.
technically SS won the match but later they (tournament officials)added 18 runs (relying on memory as it happened in 2005/6) to opponent's score and hence declared opponents the winner.
in next match, Malik protested by not winning the match... (played-out last two overs and scored nothing, while he could have easily won the match)
had SS won, they still could have qualified for next round but i believe it was required by malik to bring this dishonesty of officials to light...
and in result that rule was scarped and now officials can't pick winners in the room, and now they have to win in the ground.
Great act by Malik...
Note: those two losses were not actually losses for SS as one was given by officials and second was lost in protest
and after that SS remain unbeaten for 5 years...so we can say...SS remained unbeaten since start to the point when RR defeated them last year.
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When did I ask for this match? Remind me
I can remember when this happened. I guess peoples' opinion of Malik changing since then might have affected their view of this incident now but Im sure back then people were split as to whether they thought he made the right move. I cant find the particular thread.
Anyone got the video of Malik's post-match interview with Rameez after this match?
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http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=141950
Yaaar BZ, SS ko mubarak hi dey du..... apna bailly hai!
...ooh and by the way, just in case, you did not know...
Malik will play the next match
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http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=141950
Yaaar BZ, SS ko mubarak hi dey du..... apna bailly hai!
...ooh and by the way, just in case, you did not know...
Malik will play the next match
I don't think SS appreciate YK (or anyone else) scoring 100 against minnows...
SS is quality conscious person.
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Phir ulti baaat .... hamesha ki tarah?? Has YK scored a 100 yet? He could be out first ball tomorrow.
I was talking about SIX THOUSAND test runs......
Now can you congratulate him?
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no, I'll wait for the time when YK scores in testing conditions against top bowlers...
P.S. first time in my life I realize Pakistan should not have divided...
what a meaningless team.
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Yes I am quality conscious and admire a player who scored all his hundreds against the major teams.
Now it's about time he cashed in his due share against the minnows.
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i sense a conflict here, but then it's me.
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look who is talking!!!
yes.... we know .. .you are a man of your words, ethics and morals!
you never say conflicting things..... and never had double standards! 
this thread is living proof of that!
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So in Eng 06 was not testing conditions? He scored at 65 in a team where apart from Moyo no averaged 40 on that tour.
His only series in Aus was not testing against Warne n McGrath where he was our best batsman on tour.
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Since 2001 (YK's debut year)..... Ind/Pak/SL batsmen in SAF/ENG/NZ/AUS;
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No those were not testing conditions...(already discussed in YK threads )
I'll show again, if you'd insist.
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can you highlight the "testing conditions", for me please?
or you suggesting that all those matches played in testing conditions?
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WL where is unees on that list?
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