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Sohail Tanvir - When will the torture end?

Amir said:
Now that he has had his fluke batting performance..Misbah and Co. can begin to identify him as a all rounder again. Phew, was getting worried.
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Only reason he got those runs was because they were made in a non-pressure situation, no one was expecting him to hold a bat, so when it did reach a pressure situation, such as the last two overs, he wilted badly.
 
Haroon786 said:
He will get hammered in crunch situations regardless of the situation, one fluke performance doesn't mean that he should be a permanent fixture in the team.
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He is our best death bowler, by a mile...

He has played all over the world, and faced many crunch situations. I assure you, with his experience, he can deal with pressure. Our "young guns" can't.
 
mussu-100 said:
He is our best death bowler, by a mile...

He has played all over the world, and faced many crunch situations. I assure you, with his experience, he can deal with pressure. Our "young guns" can't.
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Than why was JK chosen over him in the deciding match of the SA series ?
 
Haroon786 said:
Than why was JK chosen over him in the deciding match of the SA series ?
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I'm talking about T20's here...

He played all the T20's against SA.

In the 2nd T20 in the UAE. He bowled brilliantly at the death picking up two wickets in his last two overs and only giving away 10 runs.

In the 2nd T20 in SA. He was given the last over, and he won us the game by bowling yorker after yorker. We won that match by 6 runs.

So basically he played a massive role at the death in both matches. Get your facts right.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-pakistan-2013-14/engine/match/685729.html

http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan-v-south-africa-2013-14/engine/match/649103.html
 
Junaid is better than Tanvir with the new ball and with the old ball. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to get his head checked.
 
hhhhdmt said:
Junaid is better than Tanvir with the new ball and with the old ball. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to get his head checked.
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yes JK is definitely a better bowler but Tanvir's experience makes him a better death bowler and Tanvir is also a better batsman.
 
better batsman is irrelevant. Tanvir averages about 13 in odi. He isn't an "all rounder" and he certainly isn't going to win any matches with his batting

Tanvir is a better death bowler? Nope, he lacks pace and can easily get hammered around. JK can bowl those 140 kph yorkers at death. Tanvir's experience is irrelevant since he hasn't improved very much.
 
He has absolutely no place in the ODI team. He's fine/good for T20 though.
 
experience is a highly overused term by Pakistani fans. Afridi is also an "experienced" batsman, yet he is useless and irresponsible with the bat. Tanvir is a useless ODI bowler.
 
mussu-100 said:
I'm talking about T20's here...

He played all the T20's against SA.

In the 2nd T20 in the UAE. He bowled brilliantly at the death picking up two wickets in his last two overs and only giving away 10 runs.

In the 2nd T20 in SA. He was given the last over, and he won us the game by bowling yorker after yorker. We won that match by 6 runs.

So basically he played a massive role at the death in both matches. Get your facts right.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-pakistan-2013-14/engine/match/685729.html

http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan-v-south-africa-2013-14/engine/match/649103.html
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Frankly speaking, the only T20Is that, are actually important are the ones in the WT20. He will bottle under pressure in crunch situations.
 
Haroon786 said:
Frankly speaking, the only T20Is that, are actually important are the ones in the WT20. He will bottle under pressure in crunch situations.
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Hmmm, it's strange that you think that someone who has played 146 T20 matches will bottle under pressure. He has almost always bowled splendid death overs for us. What makes you think that way?

If someone from our team had to bowl a pressure over, I would certainly give the bowl to him or Gul. Unexperienced T20 bowlers like Junaid, Irfan, Bhatti and Usman have a far greater chance of bottling under pressure.
 
mussu-100 said:
Hmmm, it's strange that you think that someone who has played 146 T20 matches will bottle under pressure. He has almost always bowled splendid death overs for us. What makes you think that way?

If someone from our team had to bowl a pressure over, I would certainly give the bowl to him or Gul. Unexperienced T20 bowlers like Junaid, Irfan, Bhatti and Usman have a far greater chance of bottling under pressure.
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The fact is that he wouldn't even be in the team if Irfan and Gul were playing, even JK should be played ahead of him.

About giving a pressure over, I would give it to JK, Bhatti and Gul before Toolkit.
 
Haroon786 said:
The fact is that he wouldn't even be in the team if Irfan and Gul were playing, even JK should be played ahead of him.

About giving a pressure over, I would give it to JK, Bhatti and Gul before Toolkit.
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HAHAHAHA! Did you see how Bhatti got smacked on Friday? He went for 32 of 2 overs, while Tanvir went for 31, of 4 overs! And in the first T20, Bhatti got smashed for 18 in the 18th over!

And JK? Well his economy rate is 9 in T20's. Ask anyone on PP (unless they are JK fanboy's) and they will tell you that he bowls length at the death and gets smashed! He bowled one good last over and I will give him credit, but generally he is very poor at the death! In the 2nd T20 against SA, he went for 19 of the 19th over. That is brilliant!

Gul is brilliant no doubt about it. However Tanvir is just as good at the death now that Gul has lost some of his pace, and his yorker delivering ability...

If you think he cant handle pressure, look above at the links I've given. They were both deciding T20's, and he bowled brilliantly at the death in both of them!
 
I don't care whether Tanvir plays in t20's ahead of JK. Thats fine by me, Junaid isn't a great t20 bowler

I do have a serious problem with the way Junaid was kept out for 3 odi's vs SA because of rubbish bowlers like Tanvir and Wahab. Not only do these two should NEVER play ahead of JK in odi's, they simply do not deserve a place in the team whatsoever.
 
Tanvir or Junaid in ODI's is a joke.

Can't believe Pak is mishandling a talent like Junaid
 
hhhhdmt said:
I don't care whether Tanvir plays in t20's ahead of JK. Thats fine by me, Junaid isn't a great t20 bowler

I do have a serious problem with the way Junaid was kept out for 3 odi's vs SA because of rubbish bowlers like Tanvir and Wahab. Not only do these two should NEVER play ahead of JK in odi's, they simply do not deserve a place in the team whatsoever.
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Mystrey said:
Tanvir or Junaid in ODI's is a joke.

Can't believe Pak is mishandling a talent like Junaid
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No one is saying Tanvir over Junaid in ODI's, however Tanvir should still be ahead of people like Anwar and Wahab.
 
It really pains me that we're having a debate about whether Sohail Tanvir- one of the worst bowlers to have ever played for us- should be in the team, regardless of the format.

It's not Junaid vs Tanvir. Both should be kept away from T-20s.

Irfan and Gul should replace them. Tanvir should be kept far away from any format while Junaid should play only Tests.

As for Bilawal Bhatti, he needs to be worked with if he is to be effective. He has the pace but lacks good bowling sense and control. Early days, but so far I'm not too excited. That could change of course...
 
The Dark Corner said:
It really pains me that we're having a debate about whether Sohail Tanvir- one of the worst bowlers to have ever played for us- should be in the team, regardless of the format.

It's not Junaid vs Tanvir. Both should be kept away from T-20s.

Irfan and Gul should replace them. Tanvir should be kept far away from any format while Junaid should play only Tests.

As for Bilawal Bhatti, he needs to be worked with if he is to be effective. He has the pace but lacks good bowling sense and control. Early days, but so far I'm not too excited. That could change of course...
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Irfan has a magnificent 3 T20 wickets in 7 matches. The big lad should only play Tests and ODI's, there is no point of risking him in T20's.
 
I usually side with Misbah in all departments, but I cannot fathom the continuous backing up of Tanvir. Pakistan may finally pay.
 
All seamers were diabolical today and the last over won't change anything, regardless of how it goes.
 
Why should T20 performances be the criteria for selection in ODI's, Tanvir is a T20 bowler and let him be there, it was scary to watch him and Bilawal bowling towards the end.

The sooner Umar Gul and Mohammed Irfan come back, the better it is for Pakistan!
 
Why should T20 performances be the criteria for selection in ODI's, Tanvir is a T20 bowler and let him be there, it was scary to watch him and Bilawal bowling towards the end.

The sooner Umar Gul and Mohammed Irfan come back, the better it is for Pakistan!
 
Sohail Tanvir is Just poor Poor Fast bowler

Usman Shinwari Fair he gone for runs in first 2 T-20

Still Usman over Tanvir anytime

Ehsan Adil,Zia ul haq Select Those 20 year old Boys ahead of Unless Tanvir

We also have Sadaf,Talha
 
Bilawal and Tanvir are not good enough at international level, They
got slapped around by tailenders today.
 
Oh my God! After every below average performance this thread starts! :O

He bowled well to Dilshan at the start swinging the bowl in.

Bhatti and Junaid were much worse today even though JK picked up 3. Tannu picked up a crucial wicket as well...

He was very unlucky as well IMO. An underedge, and a couple of misfields. He was better than the stats suggest.

He was good, but he wasnt bad either. No need to change the team in the next match.
 
In 2013 he has picked up 6 wickets at an average of 50.33 at an economy rate of 5.54. Yet why does Sohail Tanvir get selected every single LOI series even just as bench warmer? Youngsters like Sadaf Hussain were selected for one series, sat on the bench and then dropped. Is this justice?

Stats don't even reflect the number of runs he concedes in the death overs, I remember against SA he conceded close to 30. Why is this guy constantly picked and favoured? In 2013 he has picked up 6 wickets at an average of 50.33 at an economy rate of 5.54. Yet why does Sohail Tanvir get selected every LOI single series even just as bench warmer? Youngsters like Sadaf Hussain were selected for one series, sat on the bench and then dropped. Is this justice?

Stats don't even reflect the number of runs he concedes in the death overs, I remember against SA he conceded close to 30. Why is this guy constantly picked and favoured?
 
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Second worst pacer today, atrocious filth at the end, is lucky to play international cricket.
 
Haroon786 said:
Second worst pacer today, atrocious filth at the end, is lucky to play international cricket.
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I think its fair to say he is lucky to play ODI cricket, however he is a fabulous T20 bowler, and his performances there keep him in the ODI team. However I think he troubled Dilshan quite a bit up front today. Was unlucky at the death though...
 
awaisrehman said:
In 2013 he has picked up 6 wickets at an average of 50.33 at an economy rate of 5.54. Yet why does Sohail Tanvir get selected every single LOI series even just as bench warmer? Youngsters like Sadaf Hussain were selected for one series, sat on the bench and then dropped. Is this justice?

Stats don't even reflect the number of runs he concedes in the death overs, I remember against SA he conceded close to 30. Why is this guy constantly picked and favoured? In 2013 he has picked up 6 wickets at an average of 50.33 at an economy rate of 5.54. Yet why does Sohail Tanvir get selected every LOI single series even just as bench warmer? Youngsters like Sadaf Hussain were selected for one series, sat on the bench and then dropped. Is this justice?

Stats don't even reflect the number of runs he concedes in the death overs, I remember against SA he conceded close to 30. Why is this guy constantly picked and favoured?
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Because team and squad selection is not based upon merit?
 
if we see the last ten overs or death overs.

junaid khan bowled 2/19 in 2.4 overs. giving him an EC rate 7.91 at the end.

Ajmal bowled 2 overs for 15/0. giving him an EC rate of 7.50 at the end.

Bhatti bowled 2 overs 1/25 . Giving him an EC rate of 12.50 at the end.

Tanvir bowled 3 overs and gave 1/34 ( didnt add those 4 byes). Giving him an EC rate of 11.33.

If tanvir is playing ( which he will in the next 4 matches) then he needs to up his game big time.

bhatti and juanid also need to up it.
 
batfirst said:
Bilawal and Tanvir are not good enough at international level, They
got slapped around by tailenders today.
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Steyn got smashed by our tail-enders in South Africa
Tanvir and Ajmal smashed Malinga and Co. Last match

It happens mate, but yeah Tanvir and Bhatti should not be playing, we have better bowlers out there.
 
mussu-100 said:
I think its fair to say he is lucky to play ODI cricket, however he is a fabulous T20 bowler, and his performances there keep him in the ODI team. However I think he troubled Dilshan quite a bit up front today. Was unlucky at the death though...
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TBH I don't think he will be in the team, if and when Gul and Irfan come back. :najam
 
Haroon786 said:
TBH I don't think he will be in the team, if and when Gul and Irfan come back. :najam
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I'm not too sure about that...he probably won't be in the ODI team, but in T20's I see Tanvir, Gul and Junaid/Irfan being the pacers in our team.
 
Will be very enticing to know whether toolkit is playing today.
 
Both him and Anwar Ali are biding their time in ODIs with Gul and Irfan returning.
 
never ending torture :facepalm the so called new ball specialist is out of tools again today
 
Tanvir in 2013

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Strike Bowler :)))
 
If Misbah wants him in ODIs, give him 7 overs up front.

He is liability after the 15th over.
 
What is the point of Sohail Tanvir in the ODI Team.

Please tell me i have a lot of trouble understanding why he is played time and time again.

He is decent with the new ball and rubbish with the old ball and rubbish at the death.



His average this year is 55.8.

Pakistan have much better pacers than him so why is he still played?
 
T20 specialist that is it.

Like I said in the other thread, if he's to play ODIs, he should bowl 7 overs up front and that is it.
 
Sohail Tanvir- when will the torture end ?

Kukri would struggle to make it to the jhanda chichi XI.


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If we lose this game its down to this waste of space street bowler. That one pathetic over ruined the game.
 
When will Misbah learn that Tanvir can't bowl later on in ODIs.
 
Said it, will say it again : crappiest bowler to play +5 ODIs for PK.
 
Actually he's the best ODI bowler for Pakistan according to Misbah..You can see the way he uses him..
 
Junaid was bowling so well and took two big wicketes but Misbah removes him because he was hit for a six by Kula...Great captaincy as always!!
 
can't control my anger trying my best not to throw something at the screen.. how the hell does this piece of crap get selected again and again
 
Economy rate difference between first and second spell says it all really.

Bowl him at the start only that is it. Please Misbah.
 
Sohail Tanvir- when will the torture end ?

What was Misbah thinking. Firstly replacing Junaid who was on fire then not giving the ball to Bhatti.




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