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South Africa (212/3) defeat India (211/4) by 7 wickets to win the 1st T20I

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Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Hiding behind the trundler excuse for far too long here. Every year we hear about phaast bowlers from IPL but when the time comes to represent India we get these sharmas and kumars. Even Rabada and Nortje went for plenty of runs. Umran's bowling figures would have looked similar to Pandya's today. :inti
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Give the youngsters a break man.

This is a young team and for the first time India is not playing its first choice XI in a long time. All we want to see is the best choice XI gets selected and they perform.
 
Champ_Pal said:
Give the youngsters a break man.

This is a young team and for the first time India is not playing its first choice XI in a long time. All we want to see is the best choice XI gets selected and they perform.
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Which youngsters are you talking about here?
 
Always good to see IPL superstars getting hammered. Look at chahal's figures not even trusted to bowl full quota of overs. Too many IPL based selections.
Need 2-3 IPL per year
 
Always said that Dravid should only coach under 19 guys and we should look for guys like Tom Moody as our national team coach. :inti
 
Ahmed216 said:
Always good to see IPL superstars getting hammered. Look at chahal's figures not even trusted to bowl full quota of overs. Too many IPL based selections.
Need 2-3 IPL per year
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And some so called hoshiar fans want 9 months of Pyjama Cricket. :facepalm :inti
 
Ahmed216 said:
Always good to see IPL superstars getting hammered. Look at chahal's figures not even trusted to bowl full quota of overs. Too many IPL based selections.
Need 2-3 IPL per year
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Same SA guys also played in IPL. THey also conceded 211 runs. Nortje, Rabada. world no.1 ranked bowler Shamsi lol WHat does that tell you.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Tell that to Dravid. He wants consistency. These guys are getting hit consistently.
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Miller just could not put bat to ball when Umran was breathing fire took 5 for 25 against his side in the IPL. Out here Vander dussen was at the middle of the pitch facing Bhuvi lol
 
Is there a point he was not using Chahal at all? He is supposed to be your strike bowler. Regardless of 22 runs he conceded he should have given him another over.
 
How do these guys keep losing these white ball games to the safferz.
Indian white ball team is pretty poor these days and we keep hearing about bowling talent in the IPL.
 
ethan hunt said:
How do these guys keep losing these white ball games to the safferz.
Indian white ball team is pretty poor these days and we keep hearing about bowling talent in the IPL.
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WHen Bharat Arun was with INdia as bowling coach emphasis was on pace. Now back to trundlers. Far too many trundlers are backed by Dravid. All are knuckle ball specialists.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Same SA guys also played in IPL. THey also conceded 211 runs. Nortje, Rabada. world no.1 ranked bowler Shamsi lol WHat does that tell you.
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Miller and VD dussen are good performers at international level too. They are quality cricketers regardless. But harshal chahal hardik(trusted to bowl like IPL) Avesh are all ordinary bowlers. No way India shoulf have lost after scoring 200+
 
Reason behind losses are simple.

1. Poor captaincy( Hardik should captain this, Pant showed in IPL, he is a pathetic captain)
2. Backing defensive bowlers and not aggressive options. FGS, you need wickets to win game. Pick wicket takers and here they picked Arshdeep in the squad ahead of Mohsin.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
WHen Bharat Arun was with INdia as bowling coach emphasis was on pace. Now back to trundlers. Far too many trundlers are backed by Dravid. All are knuckle ball specialists.
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Arun is still our bowling coach..
 
ethan hunt said:
How do these guys keep losing these white ball games to the safferz.
Indian white ball team is pretty poor these days and we keep hearing about bowling talent in the IPL.
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For what it’s worth, this is our first T20I loss to SA after 12 consecutive wins. Enjoy the loss but need to hold it in a little at times unless provocation is the motive.
 
Rassie van der Dussen and David Miller played knocks of 75 and 64 respectively as South Africa pulled off a heist to chase 212 against India in the first T20I of the five-match series on Thursday at Arun Jaitley Stadium in Delhi.

Both batters put on 131 runs for the fourth wicket, and the duo kept dispatching the deliveries for constant boundaries and Indian bowlers had no answers. In the end, Proteas registered a comfortable seven-wicket win with 5 balls to spare.

Earlier, India set a massive 212-run target for South Africa in the first T20I.

The hosts were put on course for a big total by Ishan Kishan's superb display of power-hitting. He departed on 76 off 48 balls.

India vice-captain Hardik Pandya contributed with a 31* off just 12 balls while Shreyas Iyer scored 36 off 27 balls.

India captain Rishabh Pant scored 29 off 16 balls. For South Africa, Keshav Maharaj, Wayne Parnell, Anrich Nortje and Wayne Parnell took one wicket each.
 
Ahmed216 said:
Miller and VD dussen are good performers at international level too. They are quality cricketers regardless. But harshal chahal hardik(trusted to bowl like IPL) Avesh are all ordinary bowlers. No way India shoulf have lost after scoring 200+
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VD dussen sucked balls in the IPL. Even here until his catch was dropped he was also sucking balls scoring 30 in 31 balls lol Miller is the sole reason they came back in the game. Miller sucked big time in IPL for 7 or 8 seasons in a row. Finally found touch this season. It is all about form. Don't talk about "quality" in format. Absolute rubbish players can play some blinders.
 
Local.Dada said:
This is a dress rehearsal/ audtion for many for IPL. In fact most T20I bilateral matches are. That makes it the right thread.
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Local.Dada said:
For what it’s worth, this is our first T20I loss to SA after 12 consecutive wins. Enjoy the loss but need to hold it in a little at times unless provocation is the motive.
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Dude you really should make up your mind now. You are taking these auditions too seriously and getting provoked very easily. :inti
 
Ahmed216 said:
Miller and VD dussen are good performers at international level too. They are quality cricketers regardless. But harshal chahal hardik(trusted to bowl like IPL) Avesh are all ordinary bowlers. No way India shoulf have lost after scoring 200+
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Glass half empty, glass half full. It’s a t20 bilateral game and not the end of the world but having said that our batting line up with our main top order- Rohit, Kohli, SKY, Rahul put up a 200+ score against a SA first X1 with Rabada, Nortje, Shamsi etc. obviously that’s no fun discussing.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Highest successful T20I run chases versus India:<br><br>212/3 by South Africa today<br>200/3 by South Africa in 2015<br>196/3 by West Indies in 2016<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/INDvSA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#INDvSA</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1534949443216211970?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 9, 2022</a></blockquote>
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jnaveen1980 said:
VD dussen sucked balls in the IPL. Even here until his catch was dropped he was also sucking balls scoring 30 in 31 balls lol Miller is the sole reason they came back in the game. Miller sucked big time in IPL for 7 or 8 seasons in a row. Finally found touch this season. It is all about form. Don't talk about "quality" in format. Absolute rubbish players can play some blinders.
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My point is why do India pick trundlers from IPL?? We know there is a difference in standards when compared to international cricket. Arent there good seasoned FC bowlers in India.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
VD dussen sucked balls in the IPL. Even here until his catch was dropped he was also sucking balls scoring 30 in 31 balls lol Miller is the sole reason they came back in the game. Miller sucked big time in IPL for 7 or 8 seasons in a row. Finally found touch this season. It is all about form. Don't talk about "quality" in format. Absolute rubbish players can play some blinders.
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VD Dussen is probably the most underrated batsman in the world. He has been excellent across all formats since his debut and has performed against heavyweight teams.

He might not have performed well in the IPL but there are no question marks on his quality. He is world class.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Highest successful T20I run chases by South Africa:<br><br>212/3 versus India today<br>208/2 versus West Indies in 2007<br>200/3 versus India in 2015<br>189/4 versus India in 2018<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/INDvSA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#INDvSA</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1534951155004018689?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 9, 2022</a></blockquote>
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Local.Dada said:
Glass half empty, glass half full. It’s a t20 bilateral game and not the end of the world but having said that our batting line up with our main top order- Rohit, Kohli, SKY, Rahul put up a 200+ score against a SA first X1 with Rabada, Nortje, Shamsi etc. obviously that’s no fun discussing.
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India are playing at home. Conditions should suit their bowlers a lot more than SA. Y cant they defend 200+ against a side not expected to play spin well.
 
Ahmed216 said:
My point is why do India pick trundlers from IPL?? We know there is a difference in standards when compared to international cricket. Arent there good seasoned FC bowlers in India.
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That’s because of negative mindset and approach of our team management. We have over flowing talent and a lot of brands and stars in domestics . However defensive Dravid is holding us back from being no.1 in all 3 formats. We are in the top 3 I think but not enough.

Anyway why does the reasoning sound familiar?
 
What a lame bowling line up.

Avesh Khan is a joke. A pedestrian bowler who is now a bonafide trundler. Less said about Bhuvi the better. Can't even do it in bilaterals anymore
 
Pant is just not a good captain. Rotation of bowling was not logical enough. Field sets were also poor.
 
Ok guess we are going to have an Army of trundlers now. Welcomeback to old Indian cricket.
 
Mamoon said:
VD Dussen is probably the most underrated batsman in the world. He has been excellent across all formats since his debut and has performed against heavyweight teams.

He might not have performed well in the IPL but there are no question marks on his quality. He is world class.
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He is world-class. But he was tied down by spinners big time. A reason why he was dropped after some time from playing XI. Pant for some bizarre reasons hardly used Chahal against him.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is India's first T20I defeat since 31st October 2021 when they lost to New Zealand. They had previously won 12 T20Is in a row <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/INDvSA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#INDvSA</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1534952434610618369?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 9, 2022</a></blockquote>
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Ahmed216 said:
Can Indian spinners only bowl on spin tracks?
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Not sure about that but on a 200+ run T20 wicket against world class hitters ,I would assume odds are stacked against any spinner.

I think you are setting your standards very high comparing with long line of available Pakistani spin resources who might run through sides on this pitch.
 
Local.Dada said:
For what it’s worth, this is our first T20I loss to SA after 12 consecutive wins. Enjoy the loss but need to hold it in a little at times unless provocation is the motive.
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Indias last few white ball fixtures against southafrica, including a weakened southafrican team read something like

Lost
Lost
Lost
Lost
Lost
Lost
 
Ahmed216 said:
Can Indian spinners only bowl on spin tracks?
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With active participation from other countries in the IPL there is no advantage for India in India against any teams that play in IPL regularly. Everybody knows about everyone and how to play who to target. It is not the fault of spinners that his captain didn't trust them fully. Pant basically 'follows' the game kind of captain. SA spinners went for 70 runs in 5 overs. So he probably made up his mind to use them sparingly. That is how he thinks. He is not a captaincy material
 
jnaveen1980 said:
He is world-class. But he was tied down by spinners big time. A reason why he was dropped after some time from playing XI. Pant for some bizarre reasons hardly used Chahal against him.
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Pant is idiot..relied on Axar more than Chahal as Axar also bowls in middle overs and he has captained Axar in IPL. Probably thought of using chahal later but didn't used it. Just not a captaincy material.
 
Local.Dada said:
Not sure about that but on a 200+ run T20 wicket against world class hitters ,I would assume odds are stacked against any spinner.

I think you are setting your standards very high comparing with long line of available Pakistani spin resources who might run through sides on this pitch.
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Not to mention 60 meter boundaries. Many of the mishits went for sixes
 
Pant as captain looked like a rabbit in the headlights/.

Clueless, lost and lacking any ideas and innovation.
 
ethan hunt said:
Indias last few white ball fixtures against southafrica, including a weakened southafrican team read something like

Lost
Lost
Lost
Lost
Lost
Lost
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Oh ok I think it’s ODIs and tests. It’s very hard to keep up. Someone says India doesn’t have bowling then we bring out our test attack and accomplishments, it shifts to T20, then from there it is ODIs.

Whatever man. I concede this round to you :))
 
I think Avesh, Harshal and Axaar are extremely over rated players.

India has wealth of bowling resources they should have used. I think that Sikh bowler and Mohsin are much better. Also kuldeep is probably much better than Axar.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">India's last 6 matches against South Africa;<br><br>Lost (T20I)<br>Lost (ODI)<br>Lost (ODI)<br>Lost (ODI)<br>Lost (Test)<br>Lost (Test)<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/INDvSA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#INDvSA</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1534955134643585026?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 9, 2022</a></blockquote>
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Batting did their job. But bowling has been extremely poor.

Bhuvi Kumar should retire.
Avesh is a B-grade IPL bowler. Nothing special about him.
Harshal is a trundler who can bowl well sometimes. He is like Chris Jordan with the ball. Always gets hammered at the highest level.
Hardik is strictly a batsman now.
Chahal goes missing when he gets hit for a couple of big ones.

You cannot win when you have this kind of bowling attack.

There are no match winning bowlers in this unit. India should get their first string bowling line up if they have any hope of defending totals.
 
Stewie said:
I think Avesh, Harshal and Axaar are extremely over rated players.

India has wealth of bowling resources they should have used. I think that Sikh bowler and Mohsin are much better. Also kuldeep is probably much better than Axar.
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Mohsin got robbed badly. Arshdeep is better than Harshal and I would pick a mystery bowler over a otherodox Leggie or offie.

I still feel India is trying out different combinations and giving opportunities for everyone.
 
Stewie said:
I think Avesh, Harshal and Axaar are extremely over rated players.

India has wealth of bowling resources they should have used. I think that Sikh bowler and Mohsin are much better. Also kuldeep is probably much better than Axar.
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Kuldeep sidelined due to injury. His only issue is mental. He is a world class spinner. His international stats are still stunning in limited overs.
 
Local.Dada said:
Not sure about that but on a 200+ run T20 wicket against world class hitters ,I would assume odds are stacked against any spinner.

I think you are setting your standards very high comparing with long line of available Pakistani spin resources who might run through sides on this pitch.
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No, I expect Indians to have better resources really. Dont like the look of TTF's chahal and karthik who are being recycled. And whoever thinks avesh can become a good fast bowler obviously hasnt seen him laboring to the crease. He's too fat and unathletic. Harshal bowls only slower ones.
Pak spin resources are not great either but the way shadab bowled in last T20 world cup was very heartening. Dont think any Indian spinner can match him in this format atm
 
Saj said:
Pant as captain looked like a rabbit in the headlights/.

Clueless, lost and lacking any ideas and innovation.
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Amazing to see few Indians project him as a future captain. Guy looks absolutely clueless
 
Ahmed216 said:
No, I expect Indians to have better resources really. Dont like the look of TTF's chahal and karthik who are being recycled. And whoever thinks avesh can become a good fast bowler obviously hasnt seen him laboring to the crease. He's too fat and unathletic. Harshal bowls only slower ones.
Pak spin resources are not great either but the way shadab bowled in last T20 world cup was very heartening. Dont think any Indian spinner can match him in this format atm
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CHahal is INdia's best leg spinner for most surfaces. Bishnoi is bit of a wrong un bowler. He has to get his proper leggies going. Others like Rahul cahahar are average.
 
Arshdeep and Mohson are future super stars. If the Indian think Tank cant see it, its sad. They try bits and pieces players like Sundar and Axar who are terrible. Avesh is a very mediocre bowler as well.

not to mention you have people like Umran, Natrajan, etc waiting in the wings.
 
Kuldeep and Chahal, the only two attacking wicket taking spinners and different style of bowlers too.

Rest like

Ashwin( has variations but defensive)
Jadeja( good in turners but otherwise a terrible T20 bowler)
Axar( slightly better than Jadeja but again defensive and takes the ball away from right hander bat which is also what Chahal does so can't pair together)
Sundar(off spinner but defensive bowler)
 
Before this series i said that India will pick trundlers bowling 10 variations of slower balls thinking because of their accuracy. Bhuvi doesn't take wickets. Harshal doesn't take wickets until the pitch is slow and gripping. But team management will pick them and they will be slaughtered. It happened.

If anyone thinks that by bowling 4 economical overs upfront match is done, they are wrong. Teams will just play off first 2 overs of bhuvi out and then take him to cleaners later.

Only Avesh got spared. Why? Because he bowls a heavy ball and hits the deck and hard length.
 
Well that was quite an embarrassing display by the IPL in form XI
 
All said and done, thrashings like this will only help improve the selection. India will focus on a unit that can defend totals on any ground. Gujarat Titans hit the least number of sixes in the IPL 2022. But they had a terrific bowling unit. Better bowling unit will give you better chance than better batting unit.
 
Stewie said:
I think Avesh, Harshal and Axaar are extremely over rated players.

India has wealth of bowling resources they should have used. I think that Sikh bowler and Mohsin are much better. Also kuldeep is probably much better than Axar.
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International cricket is a different animal all together.
 
Rana said:
Well that was quite an embarrassing display by the IPL in form XI
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Miller was an inform player lol Ofcourse he wasn't that embarrassing. Bhuvi, Avesh, Axar were hardly "in form". It was Moshin khan who went under 6 runs per over despite bowling opening overs and death overs.
 
Besides Shami and Bumrah, INDIA picked the best IPL players available. Wow they are light years behind in international cricket with this bunch!
 
Rana said:
International cricket is a different animal all together.
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Said the same about Bumrah when he made debut. Sundar was strictly an IPL product. He played a big part in India breaching the gabba fortress. So was Thakur. It is just a matter of gelling. RVD struggled to gel with IPL team. Couldn't buy a run against any spinner. Even average ones.
 
RVD who can’t get an IPL gig slog sweeping Bhuvaneshwar Kumar for 6


Yeh hai Tumhari premier league????
 
Was this a fifth XI for India?

If so, we can probably say a third XI would beat South Africa quite comfortably
 
cricketjoshila said:
Before this series i said that India will pick trundlers bowling 10 variations of slower balls thinking because of their accuracy. Bhuvi doesn't take wickets. Harshal doesn't take wickets until the pitch is slow and gripping. But team management will pick them and they will be slaughtered. It happened.

If anyone thinks that by bowling 4 economical overs upfront match is done, they are wrong. Teams will just play off first 2 overs of bhuvi out and then take him to cleaners later.

Only Avesh got spared. Why? Because he bowls a heavy ball and hits the deck and hard length.
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Bhuvi shouldn't be playing international T20. He has an ok record but is way past his peak.
 
shamaan said:
India bowling looked terrible Avesh is ok.
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its strange to see the best wicket taking bowlers in ipl not being played in this match
umran, mohsin were really awesome. add arshdeep with his accuracy and yorkers.

unclear what dravid is thinking . my best guess is he is trying to given harshal and bhuvi opportunities to fail.

this series is very helpful imo to weed out the worst bowlers. its unfortunate that kohli is not playng. we could have weeded him out too.

on the positive side, ishan kishan is a breath of fresh air. limited talent but gives it all and doe snot waste deliveries.

i am hoping though that shami, bumrah , umran , deepak chahar, mohsin and arshdeep will be our bowlers coupled with hardik and shardul as our allrounders. aussie tracks will support above attack . chahal and bishnoi should be the spinners with rahul, rohit, sky , kishan, karthick , pant and shreyas/v aiyer as middle order with jadeja as our spin all rounder.

its a decent t20 side if bowling is rightly sorted out
 
docteurmanish said:
its strange to see the best wicket taking bowlers in ipl not being played in this match
umran, mohsin were really awesome. add arshdeep with his accuracy and yorkers.

unclear what dravid is thinking . my best guess is he is trying to given harshal and bhuvi opportunities to fail.

this series is very helpful imo to weed out the worst bowlers. its unfortunate that kohli is not playng. we could have weeded him out too.

on the positive side, ishan kishan is a breath of fresh air. limited talent but gives it all and doe snot waste deliveries.

i am hoping though that shami, bumrah , umran , deepak chahar, mohsin and arshdeep will be our bowlers coupled with hardik and shardul as our allrounders. aussie tracks will support above attack . chahal and bishnoi should be the spinners with rahul, rohit, sky , kishan, karthick , pant and shreyas/v aiyer as middle order with jadeja as our spin all rounder.

its a decent t20 side if bowling is rightly sorted out
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India has one of the worst batting because they select old players. Rohit kohli etc are past their prime and living in the past.
Bowling looks like dravid is giving the slower ones a chance to prove why they should or shouldn't be selected. Looks like after this series india will select their fast bowlers like umran mohsin etc alongside main attack. Slow bowlers just won't cut it in LOI anymore.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
All said and done, thrashings like this will only help improve the selection.
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lol, we have been saying like this for ages now. Thrashings won't improve our selections, its beyond hopeless.

And when a world event comes, we'll again beat a hasty retreat and will think it was for greater good that we got thrashed, we'll make better selections now and do better in future world events.

Rinse and repeat....
 
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