South Africa (212/3) defeat India (211/4) by 7 wickets to win the 1st T20I

[Rana]

Yes it will remain humari Indian premier league and no Pakistani will ever get a contract.

I don’t think I would want Pakistani bowlers devaluing themselves by participating if that’s the case

 

[Rana]

Temba Bavuma has no business in T20 cricket.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

RVD who can’t get an IPL gig slog sweeping Bhuvaneshwar Kumar for 6


Yeh hai Tumhari premier league????

Yes it will remain humari Indian premier league and no Pakistani will ever get a contract.

Learn to comprehend properly lol. You took the word 'tumhari' too seriously and got offended.

What he was trying to say was is this the same league which fans like you hype and put over international cricket? Is this your so called top quality premier league?

 

[Rana]

Learn to comprehend properly lol. You took the word 'tumhari' too seriously and got offended.

What he was trying to say was is this the same league which fans like you hype and put over international cricket? Is this your so called top quality premier league?

Love to see this guy take things too personally and expose his inner hate for Pakistan )

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Love to see this guy take things too personally and expose his inner hate for Pakistan )

He wants 9 months of IPL, doesn't think highly of international cricket but he still got offended and disturbed by India's first loss in a 5 match T20I series. If India wins the next match he will be doing bhangra here. You will never see these types of reactions of fans when their favorite IPL team(out of 3-4 favorite teams) loses a match. This is what International Cricket is all about. Fans are attached to it emotionally and mentally.

 

[Ab Fan]

IPL is the pinnacle of T20 cricket. T20 internationals are a joke. As many as 14 Indian players rested in this. They are preparing for final test vs England which they skipped for IPL last year

 

[Rana]

He wants 9 months of IPL, doesn't think highly of international cricket but he still got offended and disturbed by India's first loss in a 5 match T20I series. If India wins the next match he will be doing bhangra here. You will never see these types of reactions of fans when their favorite IPL team(out of 3-4 favorite teams) loses a match. This is what International Cricket is all about. Fans are attached to it emotionally and mentally.

Perfect summary

His type are quite predictable indeed

 

[Rana]

IPL is the pinnacle of T20 cricket. T20 internationals are a joke. As many as 14 Indian players rested in this. They are preparing for final test vs England which they skipped for IPL last year

Pinnacle bowlers getting slog swept for six by non pinnacle batsmen

 

[silentkiller187]

IPL is the pinnacle of T20 cricket. T20 internationals are a joke. As many as 14 Indian players rested in this. They are preparing for final test vs England which they skipped for IPL last year

I am asking this out of genuine curiousity rather than anything else but could you name the 14 players missing ?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

IPL is the pinnacle of T20 cricket. T20 internationals are a joke. As many as 14 Indian players rested in this. They are preparing for final test vs England which they skipped for IPL last year

14 players? Kindly list them.

 

[Moeey]

Learn to comprehend properly lol. You took the word 'tumhari' too seriously and got offended.

What he was trying to say was is this the same league which fans like you hype and put over international cricket? Is this your so called top quality premier league?

Yes its the best in t20 format. It's easy for foreigners to play well in bilaterals after IPL because they are familiar with pitches. Plus india dint use their main players.

 

[Rana]

No one besides Bumrah was truly rested. Maybe you can add Surya Kumar Yadav as well. The rest were all the best in form players selected.

 

[Moeey]

14 players? Kindly list them.

Bumrah
Prasidh/shami
Umran
Thakur
Deepak chahar

In batting they don't have good batsmen. Their real bowling attack is quality.

I think we are going to lose badly to India this time in the t20WC. If they play guys like prasidh and umran, our batting won't survive.

 

[silentkiller187]

Yes its the best in t20 format. It's easy for foreigners to play well in bilaterals after IPL because they are familiar with pitches. Plus india dint use their main players.

But you could apply the same logic to this Indian team, all their players compared with 2/3 SA players were exposed to these conditions for months beforehand.

Could it be rather that foreign players treat ipl as paid holiday and would try harder when it came to playing for their country?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

But you could apply the same logic to this Indian team, all their players compared with 2/3 SA players were exposed to these conditions for months beforehand.

Could it be rather that foreign players treat ipl as paid holiday and would try harder when it came to playing for their country?

No doubt about it whatsoever.

 

[Moeey]

But you could apply the same logic to this Indian team, all their players compared with 2/3 SA players were exposed to these conditions for months beforehand.

Could it be rather that foreign players treat ipl as paid holiday and would try harder when it came to playing for their country?

Yep they don't give it their all except a few like buttler who is just a monster. Some other exceptions like the English hitters and archer plus rabada.

Indians try hard in ipl and they are tired after a gruelling season.

Foreigners remain fresh as they don't go all out.

 

[Moeey]

Honestly even with dull strength Indian team only their bowling is good. Their batting looks weak. They have no real talents in t20 for batting. Unless you guys know any?

 

[Rana]

Honestly even with dull strength Indian team only their bowling is good. Their batting looks weak. They have no real talents in t20 for batting. Unless you guys know any?

They have good batsmen but no power hitters of the same caliber as Tim David, Livingstone, Miller, Powell

I can’t remember the last time India ever had a belligerent 6 hitter game changer

 

[MP2011]

Our batting is weak in all formats ever since Kohli took over as our captain which is a shame as he himself used to be such a world class batsman.

 

[MP2011]

In fact, its at its weakest for last 3-odd decades at least. No batsman inspires any sort of confidence in any format of the game.

 

[Rajdeep]

Needless outdated argument....same old..same old

IPL has nothing to do with Indian national team's performance just like having the most successful football league does not mean England football team is world beater.

IPL is the best cricket league in the world and anyone thinks otherwise is delusional. Forget about cricket but revenue wise its on the top 5 sports league in the world.

This success of IPL is not tied to the efforts of Indian players only but contribution from everyone counts. It is neither a tournament that BCCI uses as a yardstick to pick players in national side. Just like a Liverpool fans don't care if M.Salah or Jordan Anderson is scoring goal as long as their team is winning, similarly a Rajasthan fan couldn't care less is the match winner is Butler or Samson. This disparity is only in the mind of posters who looks everything from the prism of nationalism and unable to come to terms with modern league format.

Not sure why whenever India loses, IPL is brought into the debate? India went onto win a test series in Australia straight after playing IPL in Dubai. So shall we credit that success to IPL then like how we are blaming it for loss now?

Some posters act immaturely and tend to drag IPL in every occasion perhaps due to their own insecurity. Indian team's performance has nothing to do with IPL...we are simply a poor T20 team.

But that doesn't change the fact that IPL is the best cricket league in the world and no one is even close to match it.

 

[docteurmanish]

I am asking this out of genuine curiousity rather than anything else but could you name the 14 players missing ?

Rested

Bumrah
Shami
Sharma
Kohli
Jadeja
Prasiddh krishna

Injured

Sky
Rahul
Kuldep yadav
V aiyer
W sundar
Shaw

Not selected but are gonna be candidates too ( non selection is largely due to limited spots on national team but all in radar and are good replacements

Unmesh yadav
Shardul
S khan
R patidar
Tewatia
Shubnam gill
Mohsin khan


Indian team is currently re-inventing itself . After the losses in short form cricket , emphasis has Been to play for strike rate . Dravid has just taken over and he is allowing bowlers to fail / succeed like b kumar .
Heavy strike rate from get go is the new emphasis since England played India before the last t20 World Cup .

 

[Moeey]

They have good batsmen but no power hitters of the same caliber as Tim David, Livingstone, Miller, Powell

I can’t remember the last time India ever had a belligerent 6 hitter game changer

They have zero as far as I know. What good batsmen? I don't see any. Name me one good technical batsman with power hitting ability? Maybe hardik but he isn't technical afaik. Pant? Inconsistent. Wild.
Perhaps surya. Only one or 2 players. Not good enough at all.

 

[silentkiller187]

Rested

Bumrah
Shami
Sharma
Kohli
Jadeja
Prasiddh krishna

Injured

Sky
Rahul
Kuldep yadav
V aiyer
W sundar
Shaw

Not selected but are gonna be candidates too ( non selection is largely due to limited spots on national team but all in radar and are good replacements

Unmesh yadav
Shardul
S khan
R patidar
Tewatia
Shubnam gill
Mohsin khan


Indian team is currently re-inventing itself . After the losses in short form cricket , emphasis has Been to play for strike rate . Dravid has just taken over and he is allowing bowlers to fail / succeed like b kumar .
Heavy strike rate from get go is the new emphasis since England played India before the last t20 World Cup .

Lets be realistic, barring the top 3 /4 the other names you mentioned are on par if not worse than the players that were selected yesterday,

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

Batting was good. Bowling was pathetic.

Its time we thanked Sir Bhuvi Sobers for his services and hopefully this is the last we have seen him in india blue. If someone has singlehandedly blocked the progress of any young up coming paceman since 2018 which is when he had his last good day in India blue, its Bhuvi Bradman Steyn.

Moving on to the series, this is a good warm up for the more important competitions coming up. I would'nt be too down about the result -T20 are a bit of lottery most times. Boys did well, not well enough- some of the hitting by miller etc was manic, main team rested or not - I'd still back our guys to come back strongly.

 

[Rana]

If you are going to pick DK just for the sake of it, you might as well pick Rahul Tewatia instead

The guy has an unreal ability to hit sixes at the back end and that too under pressure when his side needs them.

 

[docteurmanish]

Lets be realistic, barring the top 3 /4 the other names you mentioned are on par if not worse than the players that were selected yesterday,

think players are pretty decent and not as bad as you think . approach to conserve wickets was what got india into trouble last few years. the refreshing thing to see is the approach this team has now.

india was unlucky in last t20 world cup with the toss. it was evident that batting second would fetch u much better returns and negated some of the positive play we were having before the wc. Look back at the india england t20 series and the performances of our top batters was very good.

for t20 world cup, india will be very dangerous side if they play like this .
the bench strength is very helpful in two manners-

there is tremendous competition for spots. sky and aiyer are duking it out. dhawan is being sidelined . rohit sharma realizes he has to score faster too. nobody can take their place for granted. and all playing to win -no manjrekars here paying selfishly for average . people like sanju sampson and shaw are what india needs to win and not people with high avg (stat paddlers)

secondly , as gujarat titans showed , a modest batting line up with an above average bowling line up with good fielding will take you to top 4 and maybe even win . the next wc in aussie will favour Indian bowling (bumrah, shami , umran, prasiddh , mohsin/arshdeep with allrounders and spinners as support cast will be a good wc to watch . these players will be fresh and not worn out.

last but not the least- all above players make very good money . its a big positive in my opinion . many will never play all three formats but all have enough money and support in terms of fitness and opportunities. i am not hypercritical of this team. India team issue was Kohli the short form captain. he is no longer there as captain and India may be blessed to get the batter back . he will be an asset in Australia and India for the t20 and t50 wc in next two years.

 

[Ahmed216]

Needless outdated argument....same old..same old

IPL has nothing to do with Indian national team's performance just like having the most successful football league does not mean England football team is world beater.

IPL is the best cricket league in the world and anyone thinks otherwise is delusional. Forget about cricket but revenue wise its on the top 5 sports league in the world.

This success of IPL is not tied to the efforts of Indian players only but contribution from everyone counts. It is neither a tournament that BCCI uses as a yardstick to pick players in national side. Just like a Liverpool fans don't care if M.Salah or Jordan Anderson is scoring goal as long as their team is winning, similarly a Rajasthan fan couldn't care less is the match winner is Butler or Samson. This disparity is only in the mind of posters who looks everything from the prism of nationalism and unable to come to terms with modern league format.

Not sure why whenever India loses, IPL is brought into the debate? India went onto win a test series in Australia straight after playing IPL in Dubai. So shall we credit that success to IPL then like how we are blaming it for loss now?

Some posters act immaturely and tend to drag IPL in every occasion perhaps due to their own insecurity. Indian team's performance has nothing to do with IPL...we are simply a poor T20 team.

But that doesn't change the fact that IPL is the best cricket league in the world and no one is even close to match it.

Wrong. Harshal avesh DK Ruturaj umran chahal and others are all picked based on last IPL

 

[Mesozoic]

Thanks to Kohli , we now are left with no leadership material in the team , no core group and not even a remotely set batting lineup in any of the three formats.

The next 2-3 years in Indian cricket are going to be a rough ride.

 

[Moeey]

Thanks to Kohli , we now are left with no leadership material in the team , no core group and not even a remotely set batting lineup in any of the three formats.

The next 2-3 years in Indian cricket are going to be a rough ride.

bowling looks very good. batting has been on decline since 2011 if i have to be honest.
india have poor batsmen in all formats.
their test bowling attack is the best or top 2 which has kept them at the top since 2015 until last WTC final. apart from a kohli freakshow in 2016-2018, i dont think any other batsman from india really stepped up. Occasionally you have an odd special innings from pujara and pant.

right now in tests, india only have pant who is clearly erratic and not really consistent. maybe gill? i dont see any other talent in batting. the old guard are worn out.

 

[Local.Dada]

Pinnacle bowlers getting slog swept for six by non pinnacle batsmen

You are looking at this all wrong. It is no longer SA did well India played bad. That generation is over.

Now a bilateral game is going to be looked at: wow Miller proved why Gujarat won IPL. Look at Gujarat players like Pandya still carrying form.

Or look at the strength of Rajasthan that a guy like RVD couldn’t make it’s staring line up or Yuzi continuing his poor form from the finals.

The assessment revolves around IPL for most bilateral games and it should be that way going forward

No one cares Bhuvi getting smacked. He cost his team Hyderabad and a lot of folk are upset at him even before the game.

You need to change your viewpoint to enjoy cricket in 2022 especially involving India and IPL players: future or current.

Only T20 WC games matter some what .

 

[Rana]

You are looking at this all wrong. It is no longer SA did well India played bad. That generation is over.

Now a bilateral game is going to be looked at: wow Miller proved why Gujarat won IPL. Look at Gujarat players like Pandya still carrying form.

Or look at the strength of Rajasthan that a guy like RVD couldn’t make it’s staring line up or Yuzi continuing his poor form from the finals.

The assessment revolves around IPL for most bilateral games and it should be that way going forward

No one cares Bhuvi getting smacked. He cost his team Hyderabad and a lot of folk are upset at him even before the game.

You need to change your viewpoint to enjoy cricket in 2022 especially involving India and IPL players: future or current.

Only T20 WC games matter snomewhat.

No I don’t think that’s the case at all

152-0 suggests otherwise

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

You are looking at this all wrong. It is no longer SA did well India played bad. That generation is over.

Now a bilateral game is going to be looked at: wow Miller proved why Gujarat won IPL. Look at Gujarat players like Pandya still carrying form.

Or look at the strength of Rajasthan that a guy like RVD couldn’t make it’s staring line up or Yuzi continuing his poor form from the finals.

The assessment revolves around IPL for most bilateral games and it should be that way going forward

No one cares Bhuvi getting smacked. He cost his team Hyderabad and a lot of folk are upset at him even before the game.

You need to change your viewpoint to enjoy cricket in 2022 especially involving India and IPL players: future or current.

Only T20 WC games matter some what .

You and others do but you are not going to accept it here for obvious reasons.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Think he meant dress rehearsal for SA players. Players like Shamsi, Bavuma, Maharaj etc. all aspiring for IPL contracts and doing well in this series means they will get attention from owners. So he is right in saying many players taking it as dress rehearsal for IPL.

Indian players are mostly taking it as practice for bigger tournaments like WC and Asia Cups etc.

Needless outdated argument....same old..same old

IPL has nothing to do with Indian national team's performance just like having the most successful football league does not mean England football team is world beater.

IPL is the best cricket league in the world and anyone thinks otherwise is delusional. Forget about cricket but revenue wise its on the top 5 sports league in the world.

This success of IPL is not tied to the efforts of Indian players only but contribution from everyone counts. It is neither a tournament that BCCI uses as a yardstick to pick players in national side. Just like a Liverpool fans don't care if M.Salah or Jordan Anderson is scoring goal as long as their team is winning, similarly a Rajasthan fan couldn't care less is the match winner is Butler or Samson. This disparity is only in the mind of posters who looks everything from the prism of nationalism and unable to come to terms with modern league format.

Not sure why whenever India loses, IPL is brought into the debate? India went onto win a test series in Australia straight after playing IPL in Dubai. So shall we credit that success to IPL then like how we are blaming it for loss now?

Some posters act immaturely and tend to drag IPL in every occasion perhaps due to their own insecurity. Indian team's performance has nothing to do with IPL...we are simply a poor T20 team.

But that doesn't change the fact that IPL is the best cricket league in the world and no one is even close to match it.

How will we improve if we keep taking these matches as practice matches for World Cups lol? How many of these players were selected on the basis of their IPL performances? Why can't we talk about or link IPL with T20Is?

 

[Moeey]

How will we improve if we keep taking these matches as practice matches for World Cups lol? How many of these players were selected on the basis of their IPL performances? Why can't we talk about or link IPL with T20Is?

do people actually care about t20 WC's? maybe we do. australia and most sena teams dont care for t20 WCs.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

do people actually care about t20 WC's? maybe we do. australia and most sena teams dont care for t20 WCs.

Yeah that is why they won the last World Cup.

 

[Moeey]

Yeah that is why they won the last World Cup.

yet zero news was posted about their triumph in the news. what ? winning a fluke toss based world cup. really. no one cares about t20 except mediocre midtable table teams like us. Real cricket is tests and odi WC and we all know that.

 

[Local.Dada]

You and others do but you are not going to accept it here for obvious reasons.

We don’t need to. You are the designated cruck anyways make up for it

 

[Ahmed216]

yet zero news was posted about their triumph in the news. what ? winning a fluke toss based world cup. really. no one cares about t20 except mediocre midtable table teams like us. Real cricket is tests and odi WC and we all know that.

No one cares about T20 yet IPL is the greatest spectacle cricket has to offer according to some.

 

[Moeey]

No one cares about T20 yet IPL is the greatest spectacle cricket has to offer according to some.

for money ? sure. but even then the viewership was down for IPl afaik. PLayers need to earn money to put food on the table. So its understandable to compete in IPL.
test cricket and odi WC is the definitely the pinnacle of cricket. IPl and t20 is a joke format. for fun. good for family day outing.

 

[Local.Dada]

No one cares about T20 yet IPL is the greatest spectacle cricket has to offer according to some.

Absolutely. Key word “spectacle”. You can’t conclude someone is greater than Sachin, Lara, Bradman, Wasim etc based on IPL performances. I guess that is a line that is clear for everyone who enjoys IPL. 100% you understand this too but just want to banter.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

for money ? sure. but even then the viewership was down for IPl afaik. PLayers need to earn money to put food on the table. So its understandable to compete in IPL.
test cricket and odi WC is the definitely the pinnacle of cricket. IPl and t20 is a joke format. for fun. good for family day outing.

If it is for fun then why are you and that dada guy are getting offended by members criticism towards IPL? Just chill and let us discuss international cricket.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

We don’t need to. You are the designated cruck anyways make up for it

You do care that is why you keep getting hurt and offended. Read your posts in this thread.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Absolutely. Key word “spectacle”. You can’t conclude someone is greater than Sachin, Lara, Bradman, Wasim etc based on IPL performances. I guess that is a line that is clear for everyone who enjoys IPL. 100% you understand this too but just want to banter.

Indian Spectacle League is over now. We are into international cricket now.

 

[Moeey]

If it is for fun then why are you and that dada guy are getting offended by members criticism towards IPL? Just chill and let us discuss international cricket.

what? lol no? i dont care about IPL. IPL has helped india unearth some good players however. Good for them. IPl is for fun for foreign players. its a holiday pass for them. For indians its more serious. No surprises to see them fatigued after IPL. They will lose badly if they dont get enough rest.

 

[Firebat]

We have countless threads on IPL, let's keep this one to discuss this match.

 

[Rajdeep]

How will we improve if we keep taking these matches as practice matches for World Cups lol? How many of these players were selected on the basis of their IPL performances? Why can't we talk about or link IPL with T20Is?

Foreign players use international T20s with India to get an IPL contract. Kieron Pollard himself admitted that when they toured India last year.

Also, no one is stopping you from talking about IPL...you do that in every thread anyway. But linking Indian national team's performance on IPL is wrong. Think everyone has explained it to you many times that IPL is agnostic to Indian cricket. Success of IPL don't depend on only Indian players...its a combination of everything. Its quiet an absurd conclusion that just bcoz India is a poor T20 side, IPL is a sub standard league.

IPL will always remain no.1 T20 league bcoz of Indian market.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Foreign players use international T20s with India to get an IPL contract. Kieron Pollard himself admitted that when they toured India last year.

Also, no one is stopping you from talking about IPL...you do that in every thread anyway. But linking Indian national team's performance on IPL is wrong. Think everyone has explained it to you many times that IPL is agnostic to Indian cricket. Success of IPL don't depend on only Indian players...its a combination of everything. Its quiet an absurd conclusion that just bcoz India is a poor T20 side, IPL is a sub standard league.

IPL will always remain no.1 T20 league bcoz of Indian market.

So foreign players use International T20s with India to get an IPL contract but Indian players use it as a practice match. Something is seriously wrong with your statement here. May be you are enjoying the beating foreign players give to India for IPL contracts. On the other hand Indian players with IPL contracts look relaxed just like our NRI fans who don't even watch IPL.

 

[Rajdeep]

So foreign players use International T20s with India to get an IPL contract but Indian players use it as a practice match. Something is seriously wrong with your statement here. May be you are enjoying the beating foreign players give to India for IPL contracts. On the other hand Indian players with IPL contracts look relaxed just like our NRI fans who don't even watch IPL.

Not only India but most teams use bi lateral T20s for getting their combination right and creating bench strength for bigger tournaments like world cups. Bilateral T20s are meaningless and hence most teams dont play their main side. Ravi Shastri, long time Indian coach, who knows a thing or two himself said that he dont remember any bilateral T20 series...that is how meaningless it is.

A player even with 70% fitness plays IPL bcoz of the money angle and commitment to franchises.

Its just a fact...no point getting bitter about it.

 

[Ab Fan]

Not only India but most teams use bi lateral T20s for getting their combination right and creating bench strength for bigger tournaments like world cups. Bilateral T20s are meaningless and hence most teams dont play their main side. Ravi Shastri, long time Indian coach, who knows a thing or two himself said that he dont remember any bilateral T20 series...that is how meaningless it is.

A player even with 70% fitness plays IPL bcoz of the money angle and commitment to franchises.

Its just a fact...no point getting bitter about it.

The very fact that India had some world record of 10 odd consecutive wins is hardly talked about by Indian fans confirms all we want to know.

Nobody cares about bilaterals and that is why India could care least of maintaining that winning streak record and hence India sent a third string lineup to the first match of this series.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Not only India but most teams use bi lateral T20s for getting their combination right and creating bench strength for bigger tournaments like world cups. Bilateral T20s are meaningless and hence most teams dont play their main side. Ravi Shastri, long time Indian coach, who knows a thing or two himself said that he dont remember any bilateral T20 series...that is how meaningless it is.

A player even with 70% fitness plays IPL bcoz of the money angle and commitment to franchises.

Its just a fact...no point getting bitter about it.

And that is why we didn't win any ICC tournament under him. It's a fact and there is no point getting bitter about it.

 

[Rajdeep]

And that is why we didn't win any ICC tournament under him. It's a fact and there is no point getting bitter about it.

Hahaha...its only you who is bitter mate. Shastri being an international coach and ex player knows more about cricket than anyone here. Him winning an ICC trophy or not is irrelevant. BTW, under him India won 2 back to back test series in Australia, 2 Asia Cups, Test series wins in WI & England...if that matters at all.

 

[Local.Dada]

Hahaha...its only you who is bitter mate. Shastri being an international coach and ex player knows more about cricket than anyone here. Him winning an ICC trophy or not is irrelevant. BTW, under him India won 2 back to back test series in Australia, 2 Asia Cups, Test series wins in WI & England...if that matters at all.

Just FYI India is the no.1 t20 team in the world and no.2 test team in the world. I am surprised we are 4 in ODIs but that is a format we are still one of the best in the world. Obviously ICC tournaments are the start and end for this debate and rankings don’t matter unless they meet some conditions.

I would thank IPL for this consistency.

Also ICC tournament is a lottery. Sure good teams win in the end but not the best teams always win it case in point WC 83,87,92,96,99 and 2019 (debatable).

IPL is a better benchmark because a team over 14 odd games and multiple knockouts wins it in end. Closest to test cricket in terms of assessing the quality of a team

Rest all is bitterness. Wouldn’t bother.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Hahaha...its only you who is bitter mate. Shastri being an international coach and ex player knows more about cricket than anyone here. Him winning an ICC trophy or not is irrelevant. BTW, under him India won 2 back to back test series in Australia, 2 Asia Cups, Test series wins in WI & England...if that matters at all.

If this is how you want to debate hiding behind an international player's opinion then the same ploy can be used against you too.

Thing is you don't give a damn about bilaterals yet you are the one who is looking hurt the most here after India's loss. Fans like you always brings these excuses of bilaterals don't matter whenever India loses a match. If India wins the next match, you will start doing bhangra here.

 

[Local.Dada]

If this is how you want to debate hiding behind an international player's opinion then the same ploy can be used against you too.

Thing is you don't give a damn about bilaterals yet you are the one who is looking hurt the most here after India's loss. Fans like you always brings these excuses of bilaterals don't matter whenever India loses a match. If India wins the next match, you will start doing bhangra here.

Interesting. Your problem is Indians are upset with India losing and will celebrate when India wins. Ok?

Curious. How do you handle it?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Foreign players use international T20s with India to get an IPL contract. Kieron Pollard himself admitted that when they toured India last year.

Also, no one is stopping you from talking about IPL...you do that in every thread anyway. But linking Indian national team's performance on IPL is wrong. Think everyone has explained it to you many times that IPL is agnostic to Indian cricket. Success of IPL don't depend on only Indian players...its a combination of everything. Its quiet an absurd conclusion that just bcoz India is a poor T20 side, IPL is a sub standard league.

IPL will always remain no.1 T20 league bcoz of Indian market.

Just FYI India is the no.1 t20 team in the world and no.2 test team in the world. I am surprised we are 4 in ODIs but that is a format we are still one of the best in the world. Obviously ICC tournaments are the start and end for this debate and rankings don’t matter unless they meet some conditions.

I would thank IPL for this consistency.

Also ICC tournament is a lottery. Sure good teams win in the end but not the best teams always win it case in point WC 83,87,92,96,99 and 2019 (debatable).

IPL is a better benchmark because a team over 14 odd games and multiple knockouts wins it in end. Closest to test cricket in terms of assessing the quality of a team

Rest all is bitterness. Wouldn’t bother.

You would like to thank IPL for consistency but [MENTION=152021]Rajdeep[/MENTION] will find it wrong to link India's national performances with IPL.

The only thing that is a lottery is the IPL auction where players like Unadkat get contracts worth 10 Crores INR.

 

[Rajdeep]

If this is how you want to debate hiding behind an international player's opinion then the same ploy can be used against you too.

Thing is you don't give a damn about bilaterals yet you are the one who is looking hurt the most here after India's loss. Fans like you always brings these excuses of bilaterals don't matter whenever India loses a match. If India wins the next match, you will start doing bhangra here.

That is how debate works unfortunately...you always quote references and proofs rather than shooting in open theatre.

The fact that most teams dont play their main team in JAMT20 series or an International coach himself saying those matches dont matter is proof enough.

Whether I as a fan is sad at loss or will do bhangra at win is immeterial here. It will never change the fact that bilateral T20s are meaningless and pales infront of IPL. There is a reason most Indian regulars are resting in this series but all played in IPL. It is the way it is...upto you to accept this hard fact or not.

 

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Team India faced a 7-wicket loss on its return to international action against South Africa in the first T20I of the five-match series in Delhi. The Proteas chased down a 212-run target with five balls to spare, thanks to blistering knocks from Rassie van der Dussen and David Miller. Following the game, Rishabh Pant, who led India for the first time, came under significant scrutiny for his captaincy decision during the chase.

Pant didn't complete Yuzvendra Chahal's full quota of overs, giving him only two until the 19th over of the innings. The wicketkeeper-batter brought Chahal for the final over but by then, the game was already in South Africa's bag with the side needing merely four more runs to win. Chahal is enjoying a phenomenal run with the ball, and ended as the highest wicket-taker in the recently-concluded 2022 Indian Premier League.

Former India bowler Zaheer Khan also expressed his surprise at the call from Pant.

“I felt not using Chahal's full quota, on the hindsight, is definitely something which Rishabh will look at. Team management will have a conversation around it. You've seen Chahal having a tough day but having the ability to come back and give a breakthrough. Indian team required to bring the next batter in. So, it was a call that was in your hands,” Zaheer said about the decision on Cricbuzz.

“You can control who is going to bowl. In hindsight, the Indian team and Rishabh will try and analyze the game and see what they could've done differently. Maybe Axar's last over, which went for runs, gave Rishabh the signal that spin is not the option right now and he didn't look at that direction. But the ability of Chahal is greater than that,” the former Indian cricketer further said.

Zaheer further said that Chahal could've made a difference when the required rate was towering for South Africa.

“The 12 balls he could've bowled at a stage when Rassie and Miller had to go hard at bowlers... he could've created an opportunity there. If a wicket was taken at that stage, the game would've been differen,” said Zaheer.

Hindustan Times

 

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Yeh hai Tumhari premier league????

He plays for Rajasthan.