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South Africa v England | 1st test | Centurion | 16-20 Dec 09

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Prior out in last over
MJ Prior c de Wet b Harris 4 (44m 34b 0x4 0x6) SR: 11.76
Eng 217-6 - trail by 201 runs
 
slog 300, bowl them out cheaply and chase the runs. only hope of avoiding defeat from here.
 
Whippy said:
slog 300, bowl them out cheaply and chase the runs. only hope of avoiding defeat from here.
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swann has to be at his best for this....


cummon Engeerrland, beat then saffers
 
If S.A can run through the tail they could have a very good lead to build on and maybe force a win!
 
England 246 for 8 (172 behind)

South Africa giving them a bit of a phainty here.
 
Swann has been a classy all-round contributor for a long time now - perhaps having Swann and Broad (bowling/batting) and Prior (genuinely good wicket/bat, regardless of today's events) as the three all-round cricketers in the side will cushion Flintoff's departure a little. In spite of the excellent Flintoff, we didn't have the decent jacks of all trades in 2004-6, but we do now.

Swann is making Monty Panesar look like an amateur.
 
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If Swann gets a ton here...my gosh how amazing would that be. it's starting to look an actual possibility
 
Jimmy takes the partnership to 83 off 103 balls, the highest partnership of the innings, with an awesome slog swept six. IT'S SWANN AND ANDERSON FOR CRYING OUT LOUD THIS IS AMAZING!! Geoff Boycott's commentary on Ten Sports is so biased towards England, love it.
 
Anyone see how Graeme Smith was laying into his players during the group huddle? He was very forceful and he was most definitely swearing.

By Pakistani standards he was being rude. And if recent reports are to be believed then this is the very same thing that caused our team to oust YK.

How ironic.
 
Swann having a very good match here.

England 9 down but in better postion then before!
 
Swann gone , great innings though. SA have a 62 run lead , but it looked like it would be a lot bigger at one stage.
 
S.A just 71 ahead.

I can see a possible 2nd inns collapse here and maybe England chasing 200-20 in last inns.
 
saffer said:
May be ?

Already his record as an allrounder has no equal. Richards , Botham etc simply don't come close when you consider both batting and bowling averages and runs/wickets. There can be no reasonable case against Kallis being the greatest ever allrounder.
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Kallis would not get into the SA side purely for his bowling. His bowling numbers are boosted by playing the Zims and Bangles. Against the proper international sides he averages 33 or so at a mediocre strike rate. First innings, he averages 39 at s/r 80, showing that the real work is being done by the Donalds, Pollocks and Steyns.

He bats in an era of flat tracks and weak bowling and had to wait for W&W and the great West Indians to retire before his numbers started going up. Against the one good attack post-2002 (Australia) his batting numbers are distinctly mediocre. He also averages quite a lot more in the second dig than first, illustrating that he is leaving the batting hard yards to the likes of Smith.

Perhaps that sounds churlish, but if he's being put on the best-ever pedestal I feel bound to show that there are some fairly big holes in his record.
 
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hopefully jimmy can knock the top order over, with swan cleaning up the tail. the stage is set for KP to play a blinder
 
Big wicket, Draco Malfoy frustrating out the overrated Kallis.

Amla has played with really positive defence and looks to be trying to get on top now.

Best beard since WG, too!
 
Turn to Sky 2 in the UK people.

Beefy and Gower going at each other.

Botham looks pissed. He would probably hit Gower if it was off air.

Heated debate here but very civil.

If it was two Pakistani's having this argument they'd have come to blows.

:)) :)) :))

Great TV.
 
Juggernaut said:
Turn to Sky 2 in the UK people.

Beefy and Gower going at each other.

Botham looks pissed. He would probably hit Gower if it was off air.

Heated debate here but very civil.

If it was two Pakistani's having this argument they'd have come to blows.

:)) :)) :))

Great TV.
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botham on his own . . bumble and gower agree
 
Yaser said:
botham on his own . . bumble and gower agree
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Botham was :pissed:

There was a discussion/argument during commentary between Athers and Nasser Hussain earlier.

Again it was borderline stuff.

But then again if it was two Pakistani commentators it would probably start a family feud.
 
SA have enough to declare here. They won't though - they are too conservative, and will leave too little time to force a win, and there is rain coming.

Best for them to wait for Steyn to come back in at Durban.
 
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Not confusing at all. People who are anti-UDRS deliberately confusing people. If it is a close call like this then the umpire's original decision stands - the first one just clipped the stump and wasn't decisive so the umpire's original decision (not out) stood and this time it wasn't decisive again and so the umpire's orignal decision (out this time) was not overturned.
 
Oxy said:
Batsman? No

Person? Probably
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he'll end up the better batsman anyway. he's got a classy technique, and he's widely recognised as world-class.

average of 41 , that'll surely improve
 
Oxy said:
Batsman? No

Person? Probably
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Amla's test average in South Africa is in the 40's

Moyo's test average in South Africa is 26

Moyo can only bat on flat tracks against mediocre bowling. Amla is a better batsmen. Moyo would never have been in the Protea side had he been South African
 
Juggernaut said:
Turn to Sky 2 in the UK people.

Beefy and Gower going at each other.

Botham looks pissed. He would probably hit Gower if it was off air.

Heated debate here but very civil.

If it was two Pakistani's having this argument they'd have come to blows.

:)) :)) :))

Great TV.
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Gower in the suit, Botham in the salwar

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Khalil said:
Amla's test average in South Africa is in the 40's

Moyo's test average in South Africa is 26

Moyo can only bat on flat tracks against mediocre bowling. Amla is a better batsmen. Moyo would never have been in the Protea side had he been South African
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Amla's Test average in Pakistan is 25
 
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Khalil said:
Amla's test average in South Africa is in the 40's

Moyo's test average in South Africa is 26

Moyo can only bat on flat tracks against mediocre bowling. Amla is a better batsmen. Moyo would never have been in the Protea side had he been South African
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I know you don't like moyo but don't let it blind you, amla is a very good batsmen but ATM moyo is a lot better whether you look at them technically or their averages.
 
khalil1986 said:
I know you don't like moyo but don't let it blind you, amla is a very good batsmen but ATM moyo is a lot better whether you look at them technically or their averages.
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Moyo just cannot perform in countries like South Africa and Australia because he is simply not good enough to bat on wickets that have bounce and movement.

Until Moyo learns to bats on fast tracks or on tracks when there is a bit of movement he will always remain mediocre
 
Yaser said:
he'll end up the better batsman anyway. he's got a classy technique, and he's widely recognised as world-class.

average of 41 , that'll surely improve
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Remember he started really badly. Avergaed 20 for the first 10 tests or something. He's been around 60 the last year and a bit in tests and that includes mostly tests against the aussies , so it's not just easy stupid teams like india he scores against.
 
Khalil said:
Moyo just cannot perform in countries like South Africa and Australia because he is simply not good enough to bat on wickets that have bounce and movement.

Until Moyo learns to bats on fast tracks or on tracks when there is a bit of movement he will always remain mediocre
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Fact of the matter is you just don't like him, you have a decent point but your intentions are not so decent. Tbh I'm not a big fan of him either with his past misdemeanours but in his prime he would walk into most sides IMO
 
saffer said:
Remember he started really badly. Avergaed 20 for the first 10 tests or something. He's been around 60 the last year and a bit in tests and that includes mostly tests against the aussies , so it's not just easy stupid teams like india he scores against.
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lolll

Yousuf has scored tons against all Test playing nations except RSA...he has got an ODI 100 against them though

and that 'easy stupid team' is currently #1 in the rankings
 
I will like England to win match but Amla to score big century.....Inshallah.

He is very classy batsman and very humble person probably has the best character of all test cricketers. His dedication is unbelievable.
 
Saf are playing very defensively they should try to hit out and get 50-60 in 8 overs and put england in. Btw congrats to amla excellent knock from a very fine player
 
Time for RSA to declare.

Have a quick go at them before tomorrow.
 
Well done Amla........scoring best hundred of 2009 in 2nd innings in South Africa against fiery England bowling. Very awesome display
 
saffer said:
Remember he started really badly. Avergaed 20 for the first 10 tests or something. He's been around 60 the last year and a bit in tests and that includes mostly tests against the aussies , so it's not just easy stupid teams like india he scores against.
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Amla version 1 had a average of 21 in test cricket, got dropped and was was assisted by Gary Kirsten who helped Amla with his technique .

Amla then scored heavily in the domestic league, topped the batting average and got reselected into the Protea side

Amla version 2 has a test average of over 60


Moyo on the other hand has never improved. He started as a FTB and is still a FTB
 
Khalil said:
Amla version 1 had a average of 21 in test cricket, got dropped and was was assisted by Gary Kirsten who helped Amla with his technique .

Amla then scored heavily in the domestic league, topped the batting average and got reselected into the Protea side

Amla version 2 has a test average of over 60


Moyo on the other hand has never improved. He started as a FTB and is still a FTB
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Why do you bring moyo into every post you don't like him nor do you rate him as a player. Point has been taken can you stop banging on about it as it only presents you as a very bitter and arrogant person.
 
khalil1986 said:
Why do you bring moyo into every post you don't like him nor do you rate him as a player. Point has been taken can you stop banging on about it as it only presents you as a very bitter and arrogant person.
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it's what haters do for a living
 
Brother Khalil(or anyone else who started this) you don't have to drag MoYo into this thread nor you have to compare him with Yousuf. Yousuf is miles ahead of Amla period.
 
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Khalil said:
Congratulations to Amla for another test 100
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Richly deserved. He had to scrap against very good bowling this morning. Absolutely crucial iinings.

Jimmy on the way to a michelle?
 
Cover Drive said:
Brother Khalil(or anyone else who started this) you don't have to drag MoYo into this thread nor you have to compare him with Yousuf. Yousuf is mailed ahead of Amla period.
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No he is not "mailed" in front of him lol
 
khalil1986 said:
No he is not "mailed" in front of him lol
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Loll I fixed it. I am on my iPhone so sometimes it changes the word itself or guess the word itself loll

Btw thanks for pointing it out
 
On flat batsmen friendly wickets Moyo is king.

On bowler friendly wickets I would rate Ntini above Moyo
 
Khalil said:
On flat batsmen friendly wickets Moyo is king.

On bowler friendly wickets I would rate Ntini above Moyo
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if Pakistan gave the new ball to Yousuf more regularly, then he could definitely be better than Ntini
 
Cover Drive said:
Loll I fixed it. I am on my iPhone so sometimes it changes the word itself or guess the word itself loll

Btw thanks for pointing it out
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Same here lol I got the same problem aswell but atleast I can sit in front of tv watching cricket rather than at the desktop
 
England require another 359 on a wicket thats beginning to deteriorate at the Hennops end
 
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