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Sussex vs Pakistanis | Tour Match | Hove | Jul 8th-10th, 2016 | Day 2

sensible-indian-fan said:
WHAT THE HELL....

Pakistan bowler channeling their ancestral Indian genes. :))
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HAHAHAHA this comment just made my day.

I know that were not playing our two strongest bowlers, but still no excuses. Sure if the batsmen are playing well you might not get them out but at least keep it tight and try to build some pressure. 11 no balls and a rr of almost 5 not really doing much for the bowlers test match hopes.
 
I couldn't really care less about this match, it's just there for us to acclimatise to the conditions and realise who is suitable for the starting XI in the first Test.
 
Zulfi is justifying his inclusion for the tour & for this match - has taken 2 maidens, when Wahab & Sohail couldn't. He is the perfect bowler for Misbah - unse khilay keya, Lord's per?
 
Rafay Shafiq said:
So what's your option sohail or ik or wahab
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Looking at these guys, Misbah should loan Hassan Ali from A team, he is bowling better then all them, plus he is handy with bat...

Wahab has being most disappointing to me, he should have done better than that... So many no balls and giving freebies after freebies [emoji84][emoji84][emoji84]


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No wonder whole English press is focusing on Amir, imagine he was not in tour, what exactly we will be looking forward too ?[emoji43][emoji43][emoji43]




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Aamir, Rahat & Sohail to play 1st Test - I think, they are preserving Rahat, otherwise PAK could have played 5 bowlers in this match.

It'll be really tough for PAK if Yadir has a bad day - day by day I am more convinced that PAK should play Iftekhar over one of the openers & manage the bowling load.
 
MMHS said:
Aamir, Rahat & Sohail to play 1st Test - I think, they are preserving Rahat, otherwise PAK could have played 5 bowlers in this match.

It'll be really tough for PAK if Yadir has a bad day - day by day I am more convinced that PAK should play Iftekhar over one of the openers & manage the bowling load.
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Iftikhar will do much worse than the openers and his bowling is toothless. You might as well play with 10 men instead of Iftikhar Uncle.
 
Now two drop catches, Pakistan in disarray by second sting County team...[emoji47][emoji47][emoji47]

Many may not know that Sussex team came 3:00 AM night before the match from their T20 match, so have to let go many players... Yet they are still capable of throwing out bowlers all over the park[emoji36][emoji36][emoji36]


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Even if this is a flat pitch you need to get your basics right and create pressure. IK is doing the best out of the seamers of doing that, and I really do hope Mickey Arthur realises that we need seamers who can actually do the basics right and get rid of Sohail and Wahab from the test tteam. Wahab was our spearhead bowler before Amir but ever since Amir has come back he has been truly WOEFUL.

Frustrating to see our bowlers being clobbered especially as we pride ourselves in that department.
 
Only positive is that Misbah won't sneak in Babar somehow
 
MMHS said:
Aamir, Rahat & Sohail to play 1st Test - I think, they are preserving Rahat, otherwise PAK could have played 5 bowlers in this match.

It'll be really tough for PAK if Yadir has a bad day - day by day I am more convinced that PAK should play Iftekhar over one of the openers & manage the bowling load.
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They will go with Imran not Sohail I suspect. The difference between these two is that Imran knows he is a supporting bowler and acts accordingly
 
Without Amir, Rahat and Yasir our back up bowling is worse than any test nation. We are struggling even 2nd string county team. Really shameful.
 
Yanna_Rascala said:
Iftikhar will do much worse than the openers and his bowling is toothless. You might as well play with 10 men instead of Iftikhar Uncle.
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No, his role is not to score runs - 1 batsman doesn't lose you a game, but one extra bowler can win a Test. His role'll be to bowl 35 tight overs from round the wicket to 4/5/6 lefties that Poms are going to play. 35-10-85-1 & 12+23 - he is doing absolutely fantastic. This'll give PAK to charge at the inexperienced ENG batting middle order with lots of depth relentlessly for 100 overs with 3 pacers & allow Yasir to flight & attack for 65 overs. Bonus could be, if he can knock a 50 from 7 or take 2/3 wickets like Malik did.

PAK is the most single dimensional team - batters are there to bat & bowlers to bowl, that too made by China glass. If one of them (bowlers) has a bad day or any injury, Misbah 'll be forced to miss next 2 Test for slow over rate.
 
Pete Rose said:
They will go with Imran not Sohail I suspect. The difference between these two is that Imran knows he is a supporting bowler and acts accordingly
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I also thought that initially, but Sohail bowled really well at Somerset 1st innings. Besides, I think he is a better new ball bowler - if Root bats at 3, making ENG 31/2 with Cook & Root gone in one innings, it's almost winning the match for PAK.

I don't look much into this match 5 days before Lord's - I think, all the pacers are bowling at around 125K & they are just releasing the ball, without putting pressure on shoulders or wrists. Sussex 'll allow PAK to bat 80/90 overs tomorrow - on this wicket, there is absolutely no other reason of opting to field after winning the toss.
 
Imran Khan will be useless in this series tbh. We are so over reliant on Amir and Yasir.

Amir
Yasir
Rahat
Sohail
 
I'm hoping we're doing this to lure England into a false sense of security ahead of the 1st Test. :srini
 
Should've known this is a flat track the second I saw Misbah scored 70 odd at a high strike rate.
 
Wish we had Muhammad Asif. New ball has to be utilized but who is going to do it expect Amir. These bowlers are not going to work against English team.
 
Bowling will be heavily dependent on Aamir and Yasir as expected but I expected at least one of Rahat/Wahab to step up. Imran was always a support seamer nothing more.
 
[MENTION=140009]The Last Of The Stars[/MENTION] I said we were playing a rubbish bowling line up in this game. Am I still biased?
 
Wahab is not good enough to play Test cricket for Bangladesh or Zimbabwe. Trash bowler.

People use to make fun of the likes of Ishant Sharma etc. He makes Ishant Sharma look like McGrath.
 
Mamoon said:
Wahab is not good enough to play Test cricket for Bangladesh or Zimbabwe. Trash bowler.

People use to make fun of the likes of Ishant Sharma etc. He makes Ishant Sharma look like McGrath.
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Is it really necessary for you to compare a player while bashing him?

Both Ishant and Wahab are tripe. But we all knew that anyway.

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Usman Chadda said:
Is it really necessary for you to compare a player while bashing him?

Both Ishant and Wahab are tripe. But we all knew that anyway.

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It is an insult for Ishant to be compared with Wahab.
 
Wahab has picked up couple of wickets, both mainly because of extra pace, that's why he will be part of test side, other two have nothing to offer...

BTW: Why Wahab was bowling up the hill and not down? [emoji849][emoji849][emoji849]


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Mamoon said:
It is an insult for Ishant to be compared with Wahab.
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Different surface,, but he did win a Test on absolute UAE belter against same English side & took a 5fer on Test debut in Oval.

I think, Wahab is not a English wicket bowler - he did take a 5fer at Oval which is the fastest wicket in UK; but he is not a green top bowler. Problem with him is he is not smart enough - if things don't get his way, Ishant knows how to avoid leaking runs, Wahab would chase batsman 2 metres wide & 1 metre high.

Misbah might play him as he is senior - inherited right for a spot.
 
MMHS said:
Different surface,, but he did win a Test on absolute UAE belter against same English side & took a 5fer on Test debut in Oval.

I think, Wahab is not a English wicket bowler - he did take a 5fer at Oval which is the fastest wicket in UK; but he is not a green top bowler. Problem with him is he is not smart enough - if things don't get his way, Ishant knows how to avoid leaking runs, Wahab would chase batsman 2 metres wide & 1 metre high.

Misbah might play him as he is senior - inherited right for a spot.
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Wahab can be summed up in one delivery; the one he bowled to Smith in the World T20.
 
Wahab getting wickets and the other two failing will put the management in a bit of a pickle since they don't want to go will an all-left-arm attack.
 
The issue is not the wickets here. Wahab has pace and this is a lineup that is nowhere near international standard.

The problem is his Economy Rate. He is getting milked like a spring goat.
 
Red Devil said:
Wahab getting wickets and the other two failing will put the management in a bit of a pickle since they don't want to go will an all-left-arm attack.
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Wahab will be selected for pace and reverse swing credentials, plus he can bat much better than Imran...

His spell with old ball win us match in UAE as well... He will not have match winning spell in every match but maybe able to win one of the test. Rest would be upon Amir and Yasir... None of these guys are man of the series type bowlers... That quality is only possessed by Amir and Yasir in current squad!!


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Is this Cachopa guy a South African playing for England (Sussex) or an English born in SAF?
 
yasir said:
Wahab will be selected for pace and reverse swing credentials, plus he can bat much better than Imran...

His spell with old ball win us match in UAE as well... He will not have match winning spell in every match but maybe able to win one of the test. Rest would be upon Amir and Yasir... None of these guys are man of the series type bowlers... That quality is only possessed by Amir and Yasir in current squad!!


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Wahab could be played at Oval, where Rahat could be dropped if he fails.

Playing 4 Left armers will be absolutely dumb
 
Mamoon said:
The issue is not the wickets here. Wahab has pace and this is a lineup that is nowhere near international standard.

The problem is his Economy Rate. He is getting milked like a spring goat.
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Why this happens to you so often - you made him BD/ZIM back-bencher; he knocks 2. Next time when he comes, again you write, he might get a 5fer.:(
 
yasir said:
Wahab will be selected for pace and reverse swing credentials, plus he can bat much better than Imran...

His spell with old ball win us match in UAE as well... He will not have match winning spell in every match but maybe able to win one of the test. Rest would be upon Amir and Yasir... None of these guys are man of the series type bowlers... That quality is only possessed by Amir and Yasir in current squad!!


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I agree, I'd play Wahab. He's an enforcer who can get you wickets with the old ball.

Would you play all 3 left armers though?
 
hur rizvi said:
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] who is your choice as 3rd seamer for 1st test?
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The fittest one, who can bowl 35+ overs at full intensity. At the moment I would go for Sohail & Rahat (there is no 2nd pacer in PAK - it's 1st & then options for 2, 3, 4 ....)
 
MMHS said:
I also thought that initially, but Sohail bowled really well at Somerset 1st innings. Besides, I think he is a better new ball bowler - if Root bats at 3, making ENG 31/2 with Cook & Root gone in one innings, it's almost winning the match for PAK.

I don't look much into this match 5 days before Lord's - I think, all the pacers are bowling at around 125K & they are just releasing the ball, without putting pressure on shoulders or wrists. Sussex 'll allow PAK to bat 80/90 overs tomorrow - on this wicket, there is absolutely no other reason of opting to field after winning the toss.
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I don't see Sohail getting wickets here
 
Pete Rose said:
I don't see Sohail getting wickets here
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Rahat & Aamir playing for sure - that means one out of 2, unless PAK goes with 3 lefti. So fer, I think both Sohail & Imran has ups & downs; but Sohail is faster & probably a bit better contributor with bat.
 
MMHS said:
Different surface,, but he did win a Test on absolute UAE belter against same English side & took a 5fer on Test debut in Oval.

I think, Wahab is not a English wicket bowler - he did take a 5fer at Oval which is the fastest wicket in UK; but he is not a green top bowler. Problem with him is he is not smart enough - if things don't get his way, Ishant knows how to avoid leaking runs, Wahab would chase batsman 2 metres wide & 1 metre high.

Misbah might play him as he is senior - inherited right for a spot.
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Intelligence is little overrate in sports, skills are lot more important, your skills make you intelligent as well... Wahab problem always has being his wrist, your skill or lack of it gets exposed at the worse time!!

Imran Khan was not very intelligent cricketer, that you can see in his political career as well [emoji14][emoji14][emoji14]

Yet he was very brave and determined, that made him what he was... Javed had more cricketing intelligence, with his average technique he got lot out of it.

You can also see that intelligence of bowlers get enhanced when they play (even under pressure) in conditions that suits their skills and vice versa... At the same time bowlers with variety of skills look intelligent all the time...

Asif was another example, he always was looked cunning and foxy with new ball, but same guy cannot bowl in death, that was the limitation of his skill not necessary intelligence!!




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MMHS said:
Rahat & Aamir playing for sure - that means one out of 2, unless PAK goes with 3 lefti. So fer, I think both Sohail & Imran has ups & downs; but Sohail is faster & probably a bit better contributor with bat.
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I don't disagree, but I think what will go in imrans favor at the moment is that this is his first bowl on tour and he has two wickets whereas Sohail has bowled two bad innings successively. Secondly I think misbah is a loyal captain: will keep Imran as he as served him well so far.
 
The million dollar question is - Keya Babar ek ya adha wicket haasil kaar shake ya nahin?
 
MMHS said:
The million dollar question is - Keya Babar ek ya adha wicket haasil kaar shake ya nahin?
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Babar is a second innings specialist. Averages 25 in second innings against opposition
 
MMHS said:
The fittest one, who can bowl 35+ overs at full intensity. At the moment I would go for Sohail & Rahat (there is no 2nd pacer in PAK - it's 1st & then options for 2, 3, 4 ....)
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Rahat is a lock. IK jr has better stamina and discipline than sohail
 
Some of the posters must be trolling considering the aggression and confidence with which they avoid reality, numbers, failures of their players. Focused instead on the murtis instead of the actual players.
 
PAK 'll have a serious issue in Test series, unless Arthur is careful - both Sussex & Somerset bowled 95+ overs in a day in 6 hours, which is usual for a side game - less pressure, less effort, faster over rate. PAK is bowling at 12/13 overs even in these games with shorter (presumably) run-ups & lots of overs bowled by spinners.

I don't see PAK, completing 90 overs even after extended 30 minutes - that might help "resting" Misbah for a Test or two; but these days, they actually fine Bowlers as well - Khain Aamir ya Yasir "rest" na ho jaye.
 
Pete Rose said:
Babar is a second innings specialist. Averages 25 in second innings against opposition
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He is a darter, absolutely nothing else - a special breed of PAK domestic wickets. He won't take 2 wickets against ZIM, unless he is defending 450 in 5 sessions of Day 4 & 5; that too in UAE. Amir Sohail was a better "spinner" of the ball than Babar - Misbah likes him because he is scared of leaking runs & Babar gives him "tight" overs. In 1st Test (AUS), when Warner was banging at 4 in 1st innings, despite taking 2 wickets, Misbah gave Yasir 7/8 overs in 1st 80 & Babar around 25, as the Aussies were running at 4+ & Misbah had ~350 at his bank.
 
Good fight back by the bowlers. I wouldn't start wahab for the first test its between imran khan and sohail khan
 
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