The Misbah-ul-Haq Captaincy Analysis Thread

[Ironcat]

Others? You mean Misbots riding on your coat-tails?

Convenient.

Moh@n
style_guru

And then a bunch of others.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

Your latest strawman? You sure you want to go in that direction?

No Ironcat, are you sure?

I was citing your logic, your words, your thinking as an example of utter stupidity.

No straw man, I was merely making the point your logic should not be taken seriously.

 

[Ironcat]

No Ironcat, are you sure?

I was citing your logic, your words, your thinking as an example of utter stupidity.

No straw man, I was merely making the point your logic should not be taken seriously.

Because you have no answer to anything in this thread, you want to take your hallucinations to irrelevant topics.

Let's see. How many times have you proven your claim that we were discussing the series wins previously?

Meanwhile:

Winning more Test matches than Test series is more important.

The W/L ratios are also important - they reveal consistency.

Pakistan is more consistent than India.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

Convenient.

Moh@n
style_guru

Indians? Go back and read the thread.

Moh@n and style_guru have not responded to your cheap attempt at settling points in that thread they were however discussing rankings with myself.

Should have gone to Specsavers.

And then a bunch of others.

Yeah, Misbots.

 

[Ironcat]

Indians? Go back and read the thread.

Moh@n and style_guru have not responded to your cheap attempt at settling points in that thread they were however discussing rankings with myself.

Should have gone to Specsavers.




Yeah, Misbots.

Oh I did read it.

They were discussing W/L with you when you pulled out the consistency card.

Don't worry. Three weeks later, this will begin to make sense.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

Because you have no answer to anything in this thread, you want to take your hallucinations to irrelevant topics.

I do not need to answer anything, all I need to do is highlight the logic I am dealing with; your repetition tells me you are the one seeking for answers.

I got my answer in the end – you were joking all along!

Let's see. How many times have you proven your claim that we were discussing the series wins previously?

This is why you have failed miserably.

No one claimed you were exclusively discussing series W/L. Show me where this claim was made.

What was questioned was your omission of stats which you cited prior to Pakistan losing the series.

Remember, you are the one who misinterpreted Bullet Drive's point on field placements and totally imploded - only to bail.

You have a habit of putting the cart before the horse.

Reading slowly helps.

 

[iZeeshan]

= "I have no answer of my own."

Again, if you don't want to define it yourself, then please don't expect others to give you free cakes.

Kind of when you say yawn.

Okay, I might not have an answer, but if you're indubitably right, then why can't you post a definition.

I did post a definition, if you don't remember, and apparently because Sri Lanka won a world cup after they have a W/L of .3, then it's discounted. We're not going by circumstantials here.

A minnow is a low ranked team that no one really expects to win in a game and it's a huge deal when they win a game.

I'm giving into your whims so lets see what you got.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

They were discussing W/L with you when you pulled out the consistency card.

Yes! With respect to head to head PAK vs India stats! Not Misbah!

You come along and post what you believe is a contradiction by turning rankings thread into yet another Misbah thread. Only the plebium Misbots were cheering for you!

Don't worry. Three weeks later, this will begin to make sense.

I am not worried, why should I be when I was right all along? You were pretending to be stupid.

 

[Ironcat]

I do not need to answer anything, all I need to do is highlight the logic I am dealing with; your repetition tells me you are the one seeking for answers.

My repetition tells me that someone has no answer to that logic.

This is why you have failed miserably.

You are short-circuiting.

No one claimed you were exclusively discussing series W/L. Show me where this claim was made.

Another U-turn. Pie in the face. See below:

Asking Ironcat why he now excludes series results (after losing to SL) given he always cited Series W/Ls before the Series loss to SL is shooting me down and defying logic!

What was questioned was your omission of stats which you cited prior to Pakistan losing the series.

Let's shred this one to pieces as well.

Here is what was quoted:

This one first.

By now, we all have seen how infantile Namak's predictions are. But, this one takes the cake.

Before the current SL series:

Misbah's W/L: 9-1 (6-1 excluding ZM and BD)
Misbah's Batting average: 45.27

After the current SL series:

Misbah's W/L: 9-1 (6-1 excluding ZM and BD)
Misbah's Batting average: 45.68

Clearly, after the series, Misbah is a better performer than he was before.

Namak = Schooled.

Remember, you are the one who misinterpreted Bullet Drive's point on field placements and totally imploded - only to bail.

Another strawman. That's a 5-for today.

How are your 3-0 series predictions coming along?

How are your examples of other better things to happen to Pakistan cricket coming along?

How are your corruption examples coming along?

How are your ICC's definition of captaincy wins/losses coming along?

Reading slowly helps.

In fact, reading at all helps even more.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

I did post a definition, if you don't remember, and apparently because Sri Lanka won a world cup after they have a W/L of .3, then it's discounted. We're not going by circumstantials here.

I think Ironcat needs to drink Badaam Milk or even takes some Fish Oil.

He genuinely forgets what he posts and what he reads.

 

[Ironcat]

Yes! With respect to head to head PAK vs India stats! Not Misbah!

You come along and post what you believe is a contradiction by turning rankings thread into yet another Misbah thread. Only the plebium Misbots were cheering for you!

Like I said, when someone throws you a pie in the face, you have only one word for them.

Here is your admission to your lying:

Yeah guys, you got me!

 

[Pakistaniboy]

Guys give it a break.

Seriously need to make a new thread just for you guys

 

[Namak_Halaal]

How are your 3-0 series predictions coming along?

Great actually. Made a killing when Pakistan beat England 3-0 @ 45 to 1 - set me up for a couple of years - but sadly Pakistan lost 1-0 to SL thanks to Misbah, so my 3-0 prediction didn’t materialise of late. I guess you win some lose some.

How about your predictions? Ahh yes, SL will win, but may draw. What a defeatist and weak prediction. Like predicting water is wet, yet you get all excited about your prediction turning true. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, beta.

When you are bold enough to post score line predictions then I will entertain your predictions. Until then, your predictions are not even worth even odds.

 

[Ironcat]

Kind of when you say yawn.

Okay, I might not have an answer, but if you're indubitably right, then why can't you post a definition.

Indubitably right about what? The minnows argument has already been done and dusted with. The fact that you guys have nothing else to talk about tells me the loneliness of your logic.

I did post a definition, if you don't remember, and apparently because Sri Lanka won a world cup after they have a W/L of .3, then it's discounted. We're not going by circumstantials here.

And I posted my definition as well. But apparently, there are some who need a "Minnow Oil" - a simple fish oil won't do:

I think Ironcat needs to drink Badaam Milk or even takes some Fish Oil.

He genuinely forgets what he posts and what he reads.

A minnow is a low ranked team that no one really expects to win in a game and it's a huge deal when they win a game.

Cool. Then, Zimbos seem to be a "minnow" based on that definition.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

Here is your admission to your lying:

Are you Indian Ironcat? From experience Indians fail to pick up on Sarcasm. What next? You going to quote a smilie of mine?

You cannot argue without being pedantic, or without a dictionary, can you?

Hehehe, the height of desperation.

 

[Ironcat]

Great actually. Made a killing when Pakistan beat England @ 45 to 1 - set me up for a couple of years - but sadly Pakistan lost 1-0 to SL thanks to Misbah, so my 3-0 prediction didn’t materialise of late. I guess you win some loss some.

How about your predictions? Ahh yes, SL will win, but may draw. What a defeatist and weak prediction. Like predicting water is wet, yet you get all excited about your prediction turning true. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, beta.

When you are bold enough to post score line predictions then day I entertain your predictions. Untio then, your predictions are not even worth even odds.

Unfortunately, I haven't yet learned how to squander my money in a casino. But I have seen the faces of those who do - and you would need to be a mom to love them - after a few beers.)

When you grow up, you will swear you read this in SOME textbook.

 

[Ironcat]

Are you Indian Ironcat? From experience Indians fail to pick up on Sarcasm. What next? You going to quote a smilie of mine?

You cannot argue without being pedantic, or without a dictionary, can you?

Hehehe, the height of desperation.

Namak is short-circuiting.

Don't worry. You an still go back and edit that admission!

 

[Namak_Halaal]

Unfortunately, I haven't yet learned how to squander my money in a casino. But I have seen the faces of those who do - and you would need to be a mom to love them - after a few beers.)

When you grow up, you will swear you read this in SOME textbook.

Don't you mean fortunately?

You do not have to squander money in a casino to posit a score-line prediction.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

Namak is short-circuiting.

Don't worry. You an still go back and edit that admission!

Why should I be worried? I am not the one asking others to define my POV.

Good night!

 

[Ironcat]

Don't you mean fortunately?

Nope.

You do not have to squander money in a casino to posit a score-line prediction.

Apparently, you do:

Made a killing when Pakistan beat England @ 45 to 1 - set me up for a couple of years - but sadly Pakistan lost 1-0 to SL thanks to Misbah, so my 3-0 prediction didn’t materialise of late. I guess you win some loss some.

 

[Ironcat]

Why should I be worried? I am not the one asking others to define my POV.

Good night!

Oh, come on, I am beginning to have some fun now.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

Oh, come on, I am beginning to have some fun now.

Duty call in 6 hours.

If it were Friday or Saturday then I'd give you a Duracell run.

Speak later.

Good night.

 

[iZeeshan]

Indubitably right about what? The minnows argument has already been done and dusted with. The fact that you guys have nothing else to talk about tells me the loneliness of your logic.

You're indubitably right about Zimbo and Bangladesh not being minnows.

And I posted my definition as well. But apparently, there are some who need a "Minnow Oil" - a simple fish oil won't do:

Grow up Ironcat. A dictionary definition does not suffice.

Cool. Then, Zimbos seem to be a "minnow" based on that definition.

What's with the quotes? Is there something wrong with my definition? YOu can't refute it so you sarcastically agree with me?

You're becoming more of a joke with each post man.

 

[Ironcat]

Duty call in 6 hours.

If it were Friday or Saturday then I'd give you a Duracell run.

Speak later.

Good night.

Your first duty is to Miscows, soldier!

 

[Ironcat]

You're indubitably right about Zimbo and Bangladesh not being minnows.




Grow up Ironcat. A dictionary definition does not suffice.



What's with the quotes? Is there something wrong with my definition? YOu can't refute it so you sarcastically agree with me?

You're becoming more of a joke with each post man.

The only joke in this thread after Namak_Halaal's is your posts.

YOU are the one calling Zimbos and BDs minnows (or non-minnows). So, YOU need to do the defining job.

To me, they are two test playing nations - who are weaker than the others. And we can run our analysis with or without them. I have done so without them - you just need to learn to read.

 

[iZeeshan]

The only joke in this thread after Namak_Halaal's is your posts.

YOU are the one calling Zimbos and BDs minnows (or non-minnows). So, YOU need to do the defining job.

To me, they are two test playing nations - who are weaker than the others. And we can run our analysis with or without them. I have done so without them - you just need to learn to read.

I just did define them! Do you not read?

 

[Ironcat]

I just did define them! Do you not read?

I did and I gave you my response. You can get excited about my use of quotes, etc.., but lemme ask you again.

Now, that you have got my approval of Zimbos fitting your definition of "minnow", what's next? All my analysis has excluded Zimbos anyways - what has this little exercise of your brethren got us?

 

[iZeeshan]

I did and I gave you my response. You can get excited about my use of quotes, etc.., but lemme ask you again.

Now, that you have got my approval of Zimbos fitting your definition of "minnow", what's next? All my analysis has excluded Zimbos anyways - what has this little exercise of your brethren got us?

That's fine. I just wanted to know whether you're crazy or not.

So Bangladesh and Zimbabwe are minnows then?

And this thread is about whether Misbah is a match-winning captain or not. A match-winning captain would be able to save Pakistan from a series loss. (You already admitted he's not a match winning batsman). But instead, all he could muster were two draws, one which he almost lost.

 

[Ironcat]

That's fine. I just wanted to know whether you're crazy or not.

So Bangladesh and Zimbabwe are minnows then?

And this thread is about whether Misbah is a match-winning captain or not. A match-winning captain would be able to save Pakistan from a series loss. (You already admitted he's not a match winning batsman). But instead, all he could muster were two draws, one which he almost lost.

Misbah is a matchwinning captain because he has won us more matches as a captain than he has lost us. The current series hasn't changed that statement a single bit.

 

[iZeeshan]

Misbah is a matchwinning captain because he has won us more matches as a captain than he has lost us. The current series hasn't changed that statement a single bit.

If that's the definition of a match winning captain, then there's nothing special about Misbah. There are quite a few "match winning" captains out there.

Clearly, we've been arguing over nothing.

 

[Ironcat]

If that's the definition of a match winning captain, then there's nothing special about Misbah. There are quite a few "match winning" captains out there.

Clearly, we've been arguing over nothing.

Sure, you can start a new thread about "there's nothing special about Misbah".

There are quite a few 50+ averaging batsmen, quite a few matchwinning batsmen, quite a few explosive batsmen - all in a day's work.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

And this thread is about whether Misbah is a match-winning captain or not. A match-winning captain would be able to save Pakistan from a series loss. (You already admitted he's not a match winning batsman). But instead, all he could muster were two draws, one which he almost lost.

The 3rd Test Match cemented my opinion on Misbah. What kind of match winning - aggressive - saviour of Pakistan cricket – best thing to happen in 5 years - agrees to a draw? 10 overs to go and 6 wickets needed , was at least worth a shot. No, instead our defeatist and defensive captain agrees to a draw. What killer instincts; and Misbots love him for this type of thinking!

Had England, Australia, or SA been in the same situation as SL, then you can bet every penny they’d have aimed to win the Test match by chasing down the runs (Remember SL were in a winning position). Instead SL bottled it and inadvertently gifted Misbah an opportunity to draw - Misbah got lucky, again; nothing special. The story of his life.

 

[Ironcat]

The 3rd Test Match cemented my opinion on Misbah. What kind of match winning - aggressive - saviour of Pakistan cricket – best thing to happen in 5 years - agrees to a draw? 10 overs to go and 6 wickets needed , was at least worth a shot. No, instead our defeatist and defensive captain agrees to a draw. What killer instincts; and Misbots love him for this type of thinking!

Had England, Australia, or SA been in the same situation as SL, then you can bet every penny they’d have aimed to win the Test match by chasing down the runs (Remember SL were in a winning position). Instead SL bottled it and inadvertently gifted Misbah an opportunity to draw - Misbah got lucky, again; nothing special. The story of his life.

Still short-circuiting. Make up your own mind on who you want to blame.

 

[Bilal7]

The 3rd Test Match cemented my opinion on Misbah. What kind of match winning - aggressive - saviour of Pakistan cricket – best thing to happen in 5 years - agrees to a draw? 10 overs to go and 6 wickets needed , was at least worth a shot. No, instead our defeatist and defensive captain agrees to a draw. What killer instincts; and Misbots love him for this type of thinking!

Had England, Australia, or SA been in the same situation as SL, then you can bet every penny they’d have aimed to win the Test match by chasing down the runs (Remember SL were in a winning position). Instead SL bottled it and inadvertently gifted Misbah an opportunity to draw - Misbah got lucky, again; nothing special. The story of his life.

Are you serious? First of all, with the kind of bowling that we have, the condition of the pitch and the form of some of the Sri Lankan batters, it was a brave decision to declare in the first place.
Sri Lanka made a very weird decision to not try and go for the target and Mahela Jayawardane was rightly criticised.

Pakistan made it tough for them by cutting down the boundries but Sri Lanka were in a very secure position.

Only an idiot would not have agreed for a draw at that point.
Misbah got lucky? story of his life? If there is one thing that Misbah is not, it's lucky.

 

[Bilal7]

Sure, you can start a new thread about "there's nothing special about Misbah".

There are quite a few 50+ averaging batsmen, quite a few matchwinning batsmen, quite a few explosive batsmen - all in a day's work.

When is the last time a Pakistani captain had the W\L ratio of Misbah?
When is the last time a Pakistani batsman had the ODI average of Misbah?

That is pretty special to me.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

Still short-circuiting. Make up your own mind on who you want to blame.

Good morning to you too Ironcat.

I blame the captain because the buck stops at him. Or are you now going to claim Misbah is not responsible for agreeing to a draw but only responsible when we win? Hmmm.

Let see if you can respond with substance without resorting to pedantry or a dictionary.

 

[Ironcat]

Good morning to you too Ironcat.

I blame the captain because the buck stops at him. Or are you now going to claim Misbah is not responsible for agreeing to a draw but only responsible when we win? Hmmm.

Let see if you can respond with substance without resorting to pedantry or a dictionary.

Misbah declared for SL to get 270 in 70 overs. - but that may hav been when you were in the bed,

So, unfortunately, your "cemented opinion" is worth a dime a dozen here because the rest of the world thinks as below:

Sri Lanka's decision to not go after the win was similar to MS Dhoni's perplexing move last year in the Dominica Test against West Indies, when play was called off with India needing 86 off 90 balls with seven wickets in hand to seal a 2-0 series win. That flat ending took the gloss away from India's 1-0 win.

That even Pakistan captain Misbah was caught off guard by early finish in this Test was telling. "Chasing 270 in 71 overs is not an easy task, but after the start [Sri Lanka got] and being 150 for 2, and when you need less than four an over, that was the time they could have taken the game away from us," Misbah said. "I was really surprised they put the shutters down and never tried to go for the runs. I don't know what happened … the way the wicket was behaving, scoring was really easy on it, they could have gone for the target."

Jayawardene, though, didn't look back at the scoreline of 1-0 with any regrets. "I think it's fair to say that the attitude was to win," Jayawardene said. "I think we cruised until the last hour and half. But when I got out, we said 'no, we'll close shop'. We said that it's probably not worth it, because they had a very negative field set, cramming our guys. [We said] let's not take too many risks at the end because we're one up in the series."

http://www.espncricinfo.com/sri-lanka-v-pakistan-2012/content/story/572133.html

 

[Namak_Halaal]

Are you serious? First of all, with the kind of bowling that we have, the condition of the pitch and the form of some of the Sri Lankan batters, it was a brave decision to declare in the first place.
Sri Lanka made a very weird decision to not try and go for the target and Mahela Jayawardane was rightly criticised.

Pakistan made it tough for them by cutting down the boundries but Sri Lanka were in a very secure position.

Only an idiot would not have agreed for a draw at that point.
Misbah got lucky? story of his life? If there is one thing that Misbah is not, it's lucky.

Only a defensive and defeatist captain would agree to a draw given the position.

SL were going for the win at one stage until Pakistan rattled their cage and as a result SL slowed down and opted for a draw (after all winning the first series at home since 2009 meant so much to SL). Pakistan should have capitalised on the opportunity by applying pressure instead Misbah accepted the call for a draw.

Better to die trying than to settle for less.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

Misbah declared for SL to get 270 in 70 overs. - but that may hav been when you were in the bed,

Wrong point. Declaration is not in question. Agreeing to a draw is.

I see you have no answers of your own and instead have resorted to an interview in defence.

Defeatist.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

Ironcat coming out with the 'Your opinion doesn't count' line.

I wonder why Ironcat is posting his opinion on PP at all then.

 

[Ironcat]

Wrong point. Declaration is not in question. Agreeing to a draw is.

I see you have no answers of your own and instead have resorted to an interview in defence.

Defeatist.

Err, there are no answers needed. The whole world knows the truth. Here is more:

We had done a lot to get to the position that we were in. I don't want to argue with armchair critics who give their views on what we should or shouldn't have done. I had to make a decision for millions in Sri Lanka who haven't experienced a Test series win for nearly three years. When I took over as captain, my job was to get the ship back on track. Slowly but surely, we are winning matches, executing our game plans and a young team is taking greater responsibility. I didn't want to rattle that because of what a few people want me to do. Obviously, common sense prevailed. I didn't want to jeopardise the hard work put in by this bunch for an hour and a half of Twenty20 cricket.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/572373.html

 

[Ironcat]

Ironcat coming out with the 'Your opinion doesn't count' line.

I wonder why Ironcat is posting his opinion on PP at all then.

Oh, I think it count, it's just worth a dime a dozen.

Meanwhile, How are your 3-0 series predictions coming along?

How are your examples of other better things to happen to Pakistan cricket coming along?

How are your corruption examples coming along?

How are your ICC's definition of captaincy wins/losses coming along?

 

[Ironcat]

And right from this thread:

Winning more Test matches than Test series is more important.

The W/L ratios are also important - they reveal consistency.

Pakistan is more consistent than India.

 

[Ironcat]

Only a defensive and defeatist captain would agree to a draw given the position.

SL were going for the win at one stage until Pakistan rattled their cage and as a result SL slowed down and opted for a draw (after all winning the first series at home since 2009 meant so much to SL). Pakistan should have capitalised on the opportunity by applying pressure instead Misbah accepted the call for a draw.

Better to die trying than to settle for less.

I haven't yet learned how to squander my money in a casino. But I have seen the faces of those who do - and you would need to be a mom to love them - after a few beers.

When you grow up, you will swear you read this in SOME textbook.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

So according to the interview Ironcat has cited, Jayawardane confesses to the fact once his wicket was gone SL were aiming for a draw. This proves my point that SL bottled it and as a result gifted Misbah with the opportunity to draw.

No aggressive captain with the desire to win would accept a draw with a bunch of bottlers.

Sadly Misbah is polluting the minds of his team mates with his unique brand of defensive and defeatist mentality.

The future is bright for Pakistan cricket.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

I haven't yet learned how to squander my money in a casino. But I have seen the faces of those who do - and you would need to be a mom to love them - after a few beers.

When you grow up, you will swear you read this in SOME textbook.

Irrelevant.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

And right from this thread:

Irrelevant.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

Oh, I think it count, it's just worth a dime a dozen.

Meanwhile, How are your 3-0 series predictions coming along?

How are your examples of other better things to happen to Pakistan cricket coming along?

How are your corruption examples coming along?

How are your ICC's definition of captaincy wins/losses coming along?

Irrelevant.

 

[Ironcat]

So according to the interview Ironcat has cited, Jayawardane confesses to the fact once his wicket was gone SL were aiming for a draw. This proves my point that SL bottled it and as a result gifted Misbah with the opportunity to draw.

No aggressive captain with the desire to win would accept a draw with a bunch of bottlers.

Sadly Misbah is polluting the minds of his team mates with his unique brand of defensive and defeatist mentality.

The future is bright for Pakistan cricket.

9-1 says hello!

 

[Ironcat]

Irrelevant.

= "I have no answer."

 

[Namak_Halaal]

Ironcat asking the same questions as he did last night (for which he received answers). He must be buying time while he googles an answer.

A familiar pattern with defeatists.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

9-1 says hello!

Irrelevant.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

= "I have no answer."

You can say that again.

5 attempts and you have no answer but irrelvance.

Like you said, posting irrelvance means you have no answer.

 

[Ironcat]

Ironcat asking the same questions as he did last night (for which he received answers). He must be buying time while he googles an answer.

A familiar pattern with defeatists.

Namak trying to run away from the eventuality but he cannot hide:

 

[Namak_Halaal]

Namak trying to run away from the eventuality but he cannot hide:

Irrelevant.

 

[Ironcat]

You can say that again.

5 attempts and you have no answer but irrelvance.

Like you said, posting irrelvance means you have no answer.

Check again. There is only one person's posts showing "irrelevant" thrice in a row.

 

[Ironcat]

Irrelevant.

Another irrelevant post.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

So there we have it.

There is no logical explanation to why the 'best thing to happen to Pakistan cricket in 5 years', the saviour of Palistan cricket, opts for a draw other than Misbah's defensive and defeatist mentality.

I think Misbots deep down realise just how much of a liability Misbah is turning out to be.

 

[Ironcat]

I sincerely hope the best for whoever Namak does the "duty" for. They pay him well for typing out irrelevant stuff.

 

[Ironcat]

So there we have it.

There is no logical explanation to why the 'best thing to happen to Pakistan cricket in 5 years', the saviour of Palistan cricket, opts for a draw other than Misbah's defensive and defeatist mentality.

I think Misbots deep down realise just how much of a liability Misbah is turning out to be.

9-1 says hello!

 

[truthseer]

This thread is no longer about Misbah

 

[Namak_Halaal]

Check again. There is only one person's posts showing "irrelevant" thrice in a row.

You are not even remotely funny because intelligence is delivered through wit not through a defeatist mentality. Plus it saves me time and in the process highlights the fragility of your mindset by stating which of your posts are irrelevant to discussion.

It doesn't suprise me you have given up early like your Messiah would.

 

[Ironcat]

You are not even remotely funny because intelligence is delivered through wit not through a defeatist mentality. Plus it saves me time and in the process highlights the fragility of your mindset by stating which of your posts are irrelevant to discussion.

It doesn't suprise me you have given up early like your Messiah would.

Sounds like someone who has been spanked pretty hard. Here is all that's coming out of your mouth:

 

[Ironcat]

This thread is no longer about Misbah

Well, it looks like the world is becoming increasingly lonely for Namak:

I think you ought to stop referring to people in groups and address them individually.

I DO NOT think the same as Namak_Halal or anyone else.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

I sincerely hope the best for whoever Namak does the "duty" for. They pay him well for typing out irrelevant stuff.

Irrelevant.

Ironcat, you have stooped to new lows morning. Now you bring in my 'duty'' into discussion.

You must be unemployed sponging off the state given your relentess BS 24/7 in hope of defending your Messiah.

I truly upset. My hard earned tax funding your existence.

Not even worth the effort anymore.

You are a cheap hack.

 

[Ironcat]

Irrelevant.

Ironcat, you have stooped to new lows morning. Now you bring in my 'duty'' into discussion.

You must be unemployed sponging off the state given your relentess BS 24/7 in hope of defending your Messiah.

I truly upset. My hard earned tax funding your existence.

Not even worth the effort anymore.

You are a cheap hack.

This Miscow needs a doctor:

 

[DeadlyVenom]

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Looks like we have a winner.

 

[Bilal7]

So there we have it.

There is no logical explanation to why the 'best thing to happen to Pakistan cricket in 5 years', the saviour of Palistan cricket, opts for a draw other than Misbah's defensive and defeatist mentality.

I think Misbots deep down realise just how much of a liability Misbah is turning out to be.

I want you to reply to my following question with the utmost honesty.

If Misbah had tried to get 6 wickets in 10 overs on that pancake track and Perera had smashed Pakistans bowling and won his team the the match, would you or any other critic of Misbah praised him for his courage or demeaned him for his stupidity? Take into account also the factor that had we lost 2-0, we would not have been ranked #4.

Do you think that you know team Pakistan's abilities better than its captain? Maybe Misbah knew that the woeful bowlers that he had would have never been able to snatch victory in that situation.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I want you to reply to my following question with the utmost honesty.

If Misbah had tried to get 6 wickets in 10 overs on that pancake track and Perera had smashed Pakistans bowling and won his team the the match, would you or any other critic of Misbah praised him for his courage or demeaned him for his stupidity? Take into account also the factor that had we lost 2-0, we would not have been ranked #4.

Do you think that you know team Pakistan's abilities better than its captain? Maybe Misbah knew that the woeful bowlers that he had would have never been able to snatch victory in that situation.

There is no point constructing such a good post.

You can tell his 'mindset' when he makes points like attempting 6 wickets in 10 overs on a pancake track with a team looking to draw.

Its ridiculous. His stupidity and hatred knows no bounds. He has been pushed into a corner through his own arguments and keeps digging himself into bigger holes.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

I want you to reply to my following question with the utmost honesty.

If Misbah had tried to get 6 wickets in 10 overs on that pancake track and Perera had smashed Pakistans bowling and won his team the the match, would you or any other critic of Misbah praised him for his courage or demeaned him for his stupidity? Take into account also the factor that had we lost 2-0, we would not have been ranked #4.

No Bilal.

I would not criticise Misbah because like I said I rather see a team die trying than to accept anything less. Losses are part and parcel of the game, but what matters to me is how one loses.

I do not create threads on Misbah, I do not contribute to threads calling for Misbah's head, I do not resort to Averages or SR, I am simply criticising his captaincy.

Do you think that you know team Pakistan's abilities better than its captain?

This is a ridiculous question. You may as well ask why we bother posting opinions on PP.

All I know is Pakistan have produced memorable performances and are fully capable of snatching victory from the jaws of defeat; it’s all about the Mindset. I also know that SL is not immune to collapses. There was no harm in playing till the death.

Maybe Misbah knew that the woeful bowlers that he had would have never been able to snatch victory in that situation.

Woeful? Perhaps Misbah forget that Pakistan skittled the number #1 Test Team for a measly 75 odd runs in an innings. I know different wicket different mindset, but still worth a shot.

Cricket is not just a game of physics; it’s a game of strategy and mindset too.

Misbah’s defensive approach is developing into a liability.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

Its ridiculous. His stupidity and hatred knows no bounds. He has been pushed into a corner through his own arguments and keeps digging himself into bigger holes.

Coming from one who demands we respect the team but then calls other players 'losers' I'd say is not only ridiculous but hypocritical. DV should stick with Misbah being ranked along side IK, SW, and CL because no stupidity comes close.

There is no help for the eternally condemned.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

hehehe more lies.

 

[Bilal7]

No Bilal.

I would not criticise Misbah because like I said I rather see a team die trying than to accept defeat. Losses are part and parcel of the game, but what matters to me is how one loses.

I do not create threads on Misbah, I do not contribute to threads calling for Misbah's head, I do not resort to Averages or SR, I am simply criticising his captaincy.



This is a ridiculous question. You may as well ask why we bother posting opinions on PP.



All I know is Pakistan have produced memorable performances and are fully capable of snatching victory from the jaws of defeat; it’s all about the Mindset. I also know that SL is not immune to collapses. There was no harm in playing till the death.




Woeful? Perhaps Misbah forget that Pakistan skittled the number #1 Test Team for a measly 75 odd runs in an innings. I know different wicket different mindset, but still worth a shot.

Cricket is not just a game of physics; it’s a game of strategy and mindset too.

Misbah’s defensive approach is developing into a liability.

The Underlined- You are not simply criticising his captaincy anymore, sorry to say but you are being downright hateful.
Is there anything that you don't criticise about Misbah's captaincy and his batting?

The Bolded- It is not ridiculous. It just gives you something to think about when you label Misbah's decisions as cowardly.

Did you not see how poor our bowlers were in this series? Even Saeed Ajmal struggled and Junaid Khan is not one to bowl well with the old ball, nor can he do everything by himself. It was not worth a try, it was suicide. I would have agreed to a draw too if I was in that position.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

DV the pretender now pretending he didn’t call Sami a loser.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

The Underlined- You are not simply criticising his captaincy anymore, sorry to say but you are being downright hateful.
Is there anything that you don't criticise about Misbah's captaincy and his batting?

Wrong.

Your love for Misbah cannot tolerate any criticism and your stock response is hate. This is a natural reaction to blind love. If I hated Misbah then my contribution on the subject wouldn’t be confined to 2 threads discussing the same topic.

The Bolded- It is not ridiculous. It just gives you something to think about when you label Misbah's decisions as cowardly.

It is ridiculous. Stop posting opinions on Pakistan Cricket. You do not know of the team’s capability because you do not sit in the dressing room, you do not captain the team, and you certainly do not play in the team. See?

Did you not see how poor our bowlers were in this series? Even Saeed Ajmal struggled and Junaid Khan is not one to bowl well with the old ball, nor can he do everything by himself. It was not worth a try, it was suicide. I would have agreed to a draw too if I was in that position.

Suicide against a bunch of bottlers? Sure Bilal!

Which part of playing till the death and giving it a go do you not understand? The point is why give up? If after 10 overs the match was a draw then fine, at least Pakistan would have given it a go. This is the point.

I am simply referring to Misbah’s defensive approach.

No Risk. No Reward.

 

[shahrukh619]

MISBAH THE LEGEND!

 

[Bilal7]

Wrong.

Your love for Misbah cannot tolerate any criticism and your stock response is hate. This is a natural reaction to blind love. If I hated Misbah then my contribution on the subject wouldn’t be confined to 2 threads discussing the same topic.

I can tolerate fair criticism about any player. I just find it annoying that there is not a single aspect of Misbah's captaincy or batting that you do not 'criticise'

It is ridiculous. Stop posting opinions on Pakistan Cricket. You do not know of the team’s capability because you do not sit in the dressing room, you do not captain the team, and you certainly do not play in the team. See?

Give your opinions but don't label a tactical decision made by a captain as a defeatist mentality.

Suicide against a bunch of bottlers? Sure Bilal!

Which part of playing till the death and giving it a go do you not understand? The point is why give up? If after 10 overs the match was a draw then fine, at least Pakistan would have given it a go. This is the point.

I am simply referring to Misbah’s defensive approach.

No Risk. No Reward.

Remember the ODI's that we should have won 3-1, but the exact opposite happened because of these bottlers. The bottlers that I am talking about are some of our own players and Sami is the biggest of them all, hence Misbah's decision to not give him a bowl in the last innings of the last test. Were you not one of the people who heavily criticised Misbah for losing that series? Had he 'played till the death' you would have actually won this debate, 2 pages earlier.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

I can tolerate fair criticism about any player. I just find it annoying that there is not a single aspect of Misbah's captaincy or batting that you do not 'criticise'

This doesn’t make sense. You tolerate criticism about any player but cannot tolerate my criticism toward Misbah's captaincy or batting?

What hypocrisy.

Give your opinions but don't label a tactical decision made by a captain as a defeatist mentality.

Why not? It’s an opinion.

If you can label Sami's exclusion in the bowling line-up in the 3rd Test as a fair and prudent judgement by Misbah then why shouldn’t I label a tactical decision made by Misbah as defeatist mentality?

Remember the ODI's that we should have won 3-1, but the exact opposite happened because of these bottlers. The bottlers that I am talking about are some of our own players and Sami is the biggest of them all, hence Misbah's decision to not give him a bowl in the last innings of the last test.

Our own players are developing into bottlers thanks to the defensive/defeatist mindset Misbah is adopting, hence why I am saying Misbah’s captaincy is turning into a liability.

I also remember the ODI series vs. England where we lost 0-4. Do you remember? The list of bottlers also included Misbah because there is no point in Tuk Tuk when the end result is going to be a loss anyway. Go out with all guns blazing.

Were you not one of the people who heavily criticised Misbah for losing that series?

Which series are you talking about? Prior to the SL series of late I do not recall heavily criticising Misbah.

I have been criticising on how Misbots refuse to discuss ODIs on the grounds of ODI losses.

Had he 'played till the death' you would have actually won this debate, 2 pages earlier.

Which is why you rather Misbah did not play till death. Why else would you say playing till the death would’ve been suicide? Because SL had a chance to win? I’d say this is fine example of a defensive mentality.

Debates are not about winning.

 

[iZeeshan]

@Ironcat, the world isn't lonely for Namak - he's a lot more invested in this argument and at the same, I don't share some of the same views but the base idea is the same - Misbah is getting way too much credit and he's not the amazing brilliant savior everyone says he is

Not to mention, both of you are being equally ridiculous, there are some points you guys are willing to go home with even if it means being blatantly wrong because of your egos.

Also, N_H you should have mentioned that Misbah agreed to a draw FULLY well knowing that we would have LOST the series. Obvs SL would take the draw, in the end they win the series, and no one cares.

 

[Ironcat]

@Ironcat, the world isn't lonely for Namak - he's a lot more invested in this argument and at the same, I don't share some of the same views but the base idea is the same - Misbah is getting way too much credit and he's not the amazing brilliant savior everyone says he is

Not to mention, both of you are being equally ridiculous, there are some points you guys are willing to go home with even if it means being blatantly wrong because of your egos.

Also, N_H you should have mentioned that Misbah agreed to a draw FULLY well knowing that we would have LOST the series. Obvs SL would take the draw, in the end they win the series, and no one cares.

Here is a simple proof to your irrelevant draw argument.

Imran Khan, the best captain we have had, had 26 draws in the 48 tests he captained. That's a 54% draw percentage. Misbah's draw percentage is 7 / 17 = 41%. Your argument is a strawman.

Misbah is getting the credit that he deserves. A 9-1 W-L and a 46 batting average (incl. 60+ in the last 2 years) are numbers that we don't need anyone's opinion about.

Only a delusional hater would dedicate 90% of the time ranting against these achievements.