The Misbah-ul-Haq Captaincy Analysis Thread

[Ironcat]

I have.

Technically you proved yourself right ( in terms of argument, like NH does)

The examples were flawed though IMO.

You can have your own opinion about things, but facts are facts.

Also, you can have your own interpretation of my claim, but I don't make a claim I can't back up. Simples.

 

[Ironcat]

Yaara, technically he has provided proof but please do look into the kind of proof he has provided and you make your own judgement on whether or not that serves as an example of the point I was trying to make.

And what exactly was the point you were trying to make?

 

[Ironcat]

What is happening in 3 weeks? You coming out with another revelation or are you going to wake up from your wet dream?

You have forgotten your memories of pain? Post # 935 in this very thread:
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=4964674&postcount=935

 

[Ironcat]

See post above. A poster who claims that Zimbabwe and Bangladesh aren't minnows

You have stooped below even Namak's levels. We had a full conclusion of this "minnows" argument, but yet you want to bring it up in as cheap a manner as possible. Take this to a flea market.

 

[iZeeshan]

iZ, you have been PWNED.

You asked me to prove the claim I made, and I did it. Your lot doesn't even have an argument here. Instead of addressing the main point, you keep on spraying all over the wall with irrelevant stuff. Bravo!



You have been PWNED.

I made the exact claim I knew I could back up. You, on the other hand, have chickened out of every one of your claim in this thread.

As for your lies about not questioning Misbah's draw decision, here:



There is only one reason anyone would make this statement, and that's if they were questioning the agreement to draw.

I don't know whether you're stupid or just don't have any perspective or logic, but you realize that you may have technically backed up the claim, but the situation isn't the same at all and we both know that. Even DV agrees.

You cited a game in which 2 more innings were left to be played and then some, and compared it to a game where only 6 wickets were left to be taken.

Like I said, technically "pwned" or whatever, but unfortunately, Ironcat, you and I both know that I haven't because your argument doesn't fit the bill.

Nevertheless, you've proven that you are just all about protecting your ego and don't actually care about Misbah at all. We are no longer arguing about Misbah, and I'm sure everyone here can agree. After all, why do we debate? We debate to try and showcase our viewpoints to other people and help them understand where they are wrong or at the very least, understand where they are coming from.

You, unfortunately, have not done that for anyone that has been opposed to you, and while you may believe it's because "I am a blind hater", a person who supports you in general does not agree, and I have already proven to you that I'm not a blind hater of Misbah but you ignored that post.

All in all, you were stalling and eventually found a game that hit the checklist but didn't prove your point at all, hence, you just arguing for your ego rather than trying to prove a point or convince someone of something.

Grow up.

 

[iZeeshan]

You have stooped below even Namak's levels. We had a full conclusion of this "minnows" argument, but yet you want to bring it up in as cheap a manner as possible. Take this to a flea market.

Frankly Ironcat, after your last argument, you have no right to say anyone has stooped beneath anyone's level as you are the prime candidate of that as others have agreed in this thread.

Just because you don't is your own delusion.

Also, I still don't know how it's a cheap manner as we never finished the argument.

Answer me Ironcat, are Bangladesh & Zimbabwe minnows or not?

You're going to ask me to give you a definition, and I did. Now let's play.

 

[Savak]

Pakistan dumped a proven legendary player like Yousaf for an over rated choker who is the same age as Yousaf. Definately the biggest crime ever committed against Pakistan Cricket.

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[Ironcat]

I don't know whether you're stupid or just don't have any perspective or logic, but you realize that you may have technically backed up the claim, but the situation isn't the same at all and we both know that. Even DV agrees.

You can have your own twisted interpretation of my claim in your mind, and because you have now been busted, you will come up with excuses and "you know it, I know it" BS.

Grow a pair.

You cited a game in which 2 more innings were left to be played and then some, and compared it to a game where only 6 wickets were left to be taken.

Did I make a claim about 2 more innings left or not left?

Did I make a claim about 6 wickets remaining or 26 wickets remaining?

So, stop embarrassing yourself and hiding behind "technical" or "non-technical" semantics.

You so proudly quoted my claim yourself, and now that your challenge has been busted, you want to run into "that's not what I meant" corner.

Bleh.

while you may believe it's because "I am a blind hater", a person who supports you in general does not agree, and I have already proven to you that I'm not a blind hater of Misbah but you ignored that post.

In your last 50 posts, if you can show me 5 posts (i.e. 90% threshold) where you have praised Misbah, then you aren't a blind hater. Go on. Prove it.

 

[Ironcat]

Frankly Ironcat, after your last argument, you have no right to say anyone has stooped beneath anyone's level as you are the prime candidate of that as others have agreed in this thread.

Just because you don't is your own delusion.

Also, I still don't know how it's a cheap manner as we never finished the argument.

Answer me Ironcat, are Bangladesh & Zimbabwe minnows or not?

You're going to ask me to give you a definition, and I did. Now let's play.

You are now blatant lying. Read post # 945 to YOUR OWN post # 990.

 

[Bullet Drive]

Ironcat is now posting on this thread to defend his ego, not Misbah. Him betting against Misbah shows how much faith he has in captain fantastic. Ironcat you have been 'pwnd' & 'schooled' as you say. Its time to admit you were wrong. & lol Ironcat talking about being cheap.

 

[iZeeshan]

You can have your own twisted interpretation of my claim in your mind, and because you have now been busted, you will come up with excuses and "you know it, I know it" BS.

Grow a pair.


Did I make a claim about 2 more innings left or not left?

Did I make a claim about 6 wickets remaining or 26 wickets remaining?

So, stop embarrassing yourself and hiding behind "technical" or "non-technical" semantics.

You so proudly quoted my claim yourself, and now that your challenge has been busted, you want to run into "that's not what I meant" corner.

Bleh.

Ironcat - I already admitted you technically won the argument. I never said you were won in that regard.

But it seems like you have comprehension problems - you didn't ACHIEVE anything except safeguarding your own ego.

You very well do know that your "evidence" does not match up to what was required and does not dismiss the theory that Misbah is a defensive/defeatist captain.

Agreeing to a draw when there are two sessions left and making someone lose the series does NOT make someone a defensive/defeatist captain.

The only one who's embarassed is you who actually thinks that you accomplished something other than winning a technical argument. If that makes you happy, then be my guest. But it makes you a fool, and I'm sure everyone would agree (as one already has).

lastly, it maybe an excuse that I'm making but it's a legitimate excuse as your evidence just doesn't fit the bill nor does it convince anyone of anything.

I'm pretty sure it's not twisted to think that 24 wickets = 6 wickets.

In your last 50 posts, if you can show me 5 posts (i.e. 90% threshold) where you have praised Misbah, then you aren't a blind hater. Go on. Prove it.

I don't have to show you 5 posts where I have praised Misbah. This hasn't been a thread about where I praise Misbah as since I've entered, it's been an argument with you.

But I have clearly given you a post where I praised Misbah for everything that I believe he deserves credit for and you conveniently ignored it. I could say the same thing in 100 posts - just because the threshold is different doesn't make me like or dislike Misbah any more or less.

 

[iZeeshan]

Also, using that same logic, why can't you show me 10 posts where you've accepted criticism of Misbah. If you do, then you aren't a blind lover. Go on. Prove it.

I gave you a post where I praised Misbah and gave him credit for everything he's done, why can't I see what you criticize him for? Then maybe we can move on.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

You have stooped below even Namak's levels.

I don't think so.

You have set a new PP record in stooping to low levels by betting against his country.

You don't even have faith in the garbage you trumpet all day in defence of Misbah. The audacity.

 

[Ironcat]

You very well do know that your "evidence" does not match up to what was required and does not dismiss the theory that Misbah is a defensive/defeatist captain.

So you now believe in the theory that Misbah's agreement to the draw with 9 overs left was a "defeatist" approach?

Say, yes, or no. So I can school this argument properly.

The only one who's embarassed is you who actually thinks that you accomplished something other than winning a technical argument. If that makes you happy, then be my guest. But it makes you a fool, and I'm sure everyone would agree (as one already has).

The only person looking like a fool here is YOU. YOU proudly quoted my claim and YOU have now been busted.

lastly, it maybe an excuse that I'm making but it's a legitimate excuse as your evidence just doesn't fit the bill nor does it convince anyone of anything.

Doesn't convince one of what? It convinces everyone that your challenge got busted. Even you admitted it.

I don't have to show you 5 posts where I have praised Misbah. This hasn't been a thread about where I praise Misbah as since I've entered, it's been an argument with you.

If 90% of your last series of posts = Misbah bashing, then you are clearly a blind hater. So prove otherwise.

 

[Ironcat]

Also, using that same logic, why can't you show me 10 posts where you've accepted criticism of Misbah. If you do, then you aren't a blind lover. Go on. Prove it.

I gave you a post where I praised Misbah and gave him credit for everything he's done, why can't I see what you criticize him for? Then maybe we can move on.

If there is valid criticism, I accept it.

You are criticizing Misbah. I am not criticizing anyone.

 

[Ironcat]

I don't think so.

You have set a new PP record in stooping to low levels by betting against his country.

You don't even have faith in the garbage you trumpet all day in defence of Misbah. The audacity.

I hope you aren't spending your nights on the streets these days. How much was that house worth again?

 

[Namak_Halaal]

You have forgotten your memories of pain? Post # 935 in this very thread:
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=4964674&postcount=935

Is this one of your "3 hours! Give me 3 hours!" moment? 18 hours later your position has gone from bad to worse.

Your pitiful and feeble attempt at comparing Imran Khan with Misbah Ul-Haq has woefully backfired.

You are now posting in 'Damage Control' mode.

So one last time, what is happening is 3 weeks? Are you going to place a bet against Pakistan?

 

[iZeeshan]

I just read through 945 and 990. The point wasn't whether we agreed or not (because your deductions even without Zimbabwe and Bangladesh are flawed but that's another story)

The point was that you were delusional enough to even claim it so how can anyone take you seriously?

I defined minnow for you and if you remember, you agreed with me sarcastically yet failed to provide your own definition or say why mine was wrong.

 

[Ironcat]

I just read through 945 and 990. The point wasn't whether we agreed or not (because your deductions even without Zimbabwe and Bangladesh are flawed but that's another story)

The point was that you were delusional enough to even claim it so how can anyone take you seriously?

I defined minnow for you and if you remember, you agreed with me sarcastically yet failed to provide your own definition or say why mine was wrong.

Yawn. Respond to those posts then. Don't take cheap shots.

 

[Ironcat]

Is this one of your "3 hours! Give me 3 hours!" moment? 18 hours later your position has gone from bad to worse.

Your pitiful and feeble attempt at comparing Imran Khan with Misbah Ul-Haq has woefully backfired.

You are now posting in 'Damage Control' mode.

So one last time, what is happening is 3 weeks? Are you going to place a bet against Pakistan?

You have forgotten your memories of pain? Post # 935 in this very thread.

Maybe someone else can dumb that post down for Namak so he can read the words "3 weeks" in it.

 

[iZeeshan]

Yawn. Respond to those posts then. Don't take cheap shots.

What posts!? They were in a different thread or I wasn't even part of the argument.

I just remember you claiming Zimbabwe and Bangladesh as non-minnows and that certainly destroys your credibility as a poster.

Why don't you just deny that outright then (if it is a cheapshot)?

 

[Namak_Halaal]

Simple question, do you have faith in Misbah Ironcat? Yes/No?

Don't choke like Misbah now.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

PS Ironcat: I was going to ask if you believe Misbah could guide us through AUS, IND, and SA as player and captain but then I remembered you bet against Pakistan anyway.

 

[iZeeshan]

So you now believe in the theory that Misbah's agreement to the draw with 9 overs left was a "defeatist" approach?

Say, yes, or no. So I can school this argument properly.

Not exactly defeatist, but I think it's just one of those things that highlights Misbah's defensive captaincy. I mean, you're about to lose the series, why would you agree to a draw?

Obviously Sri Lanka wouldn't want to take the chance as they had already won the series and wouldn't want to jeopardize their hard work, as Mahela himself said. Sri Lanka had everything to lose, and Pakistan had nothing.

But I honestly think that's a difference of opinion and can't be proven, so I'll save you some trouble and it's not something you have to "school" me on.

The only person looking like a fool here is YOU. YOU proudly quoted my claim and YOU have now been busted.

Yaar why are you not understanding what I am saying? Instead of being so aggressive, try and read the posts. Yes, you busted my claim but your "busting" had absolutely no concrete basis behind it.

Just because you technically checked off the checklist doesn't mean you actually proved a point. I don't understand how you don't understand that.

I'm proud of you for finding such a scenario though as I certainly didn't think it existed.

Doesn't convince one of what? It convinces everyone that your challenge got busted. Even you admitted it.

Yes bhai I did, but it doesn't convince anything about MISBAH which is what this whole thread is about!

All it convinces people of is that you'll do anything to protect your own ego, ie even make outlandish claims and then try to support them with even more outlandish evidence!

If 90% of your last series of posts = Misbah bashing, then you are clearly a blind hater. So prove otherwise.

I entered this thread mid-debate. WHy would I be praising him out of context. I don't know if you read my posts along the forum but I have clearly said, a number of times, that he did a great job in taking over the test team in a critical situation, that he's still needed in the ODI team as a stabilizer, that his cool attitude is something Pakistan is not used to and has been good for them somewhat. Is this not enough for you?

If there is valid criticism, I accept it.

You are criticizing Misbah. I am not criticizing anyone.

Oh man. That's the way you see it. The way I see it is you praising and defending Misbah and me criticizing your praise and arguments. It depends on which side of the coin you're on.

Not to mention, I clearly said that Misbah's captaincy has not been progressive for Pakistan and has been very single minded. He sticks to one plan and can't change according to the situation. You can't accept that?

 

[iZeeshan]

PS Ironcat: I was going to ask if you believe Misbah could guide us through AUS, IND, and SA as player and captain but then I remembered you bet against Pakistan anyway.

No he doesn't care because ODIs don't matter. Duh.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

Ironcat has used 8 out of his 9 lives and is now on his last legs in his 9th.

I think we should all comfort him.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

No he doesn't care because ODIs don't matter. Duh.

Of course!

I remember the days when Misbots would defend Misbah in the Test, ODI, and T20 arena.

Now Misbots have been pummelled into defending him in the Test arena only, with ONE statistic at their helm - Test Match W/L ratio. That's it.

What an ignominious demise.

 

[James]

Yawn. Respond to those posts then. Don't take cheap shots.

Kind of rich after you brought up my education and then my girlfriend?

Sort yourself out.

 

[Afridirocks]

Ironcat is now posting on this thread to defend his ego, not Misbah. Him betting against Misbah shows how much faith he has in captain fantastic. Ironcat you have been 'pwnd' & 'schooled' as you say. Its time to admit you were wrong. & lol Ironcat talking about being cheap.

spot on

 

[Bilal7]

Pakistan dumped a proven legendary player like Yousaf for an over rated choker who is the same age as Yousaf. Definately the biggest crime ever committed against Pakistan Cricket.

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Yes because Yousuf was a much better captain than that overrated fellow wasn't he? MoYo also trumped him in terms of fitness and fielding.

 

[Ironcat]

Ironcat is now posting on this thread to defend his ego, not Misbah. Him betting against Misbah shows how much faith he has in captain fantastic. Ironcat you have been 'pwnd' & 'schooled' as you say. Its time to admit you were wrong. & lol Ironcat talking about being cheap.

The story of Miscows' debating career: as soon as they get PWNED, they switch to the third person speak.

And after 17K posts, it's about time you came up with your own argument. It's not that difficult.

 

[Ironcat]

What posts!? They were in a different thread or I wasn't even part of the argument.

I just remember you claiming Zimbabwe and Bangladesh as non-minnows and that certainly destroys your credibility as a poster.

Why don't you just deny that outright then (if it is a cheapshot)?

What are you smoking, iZ? We had a full-circle discussion of your and your brethren's childish "minnows" argument IN THIS VERY THREAD.

I have no time nor motivation to rewrite posts # 945 through 990 here. If you can't be bothered to respond to that discussion, then take it elsewhere, or better yet, to the original thread. No need to waste my time.

 

[Ironcat]

Simple question, do you have faith in Misbah Ironcat? Yes/No?

Don't choke like Misbah now.

PS Ironcat: I was going to ask if you believe Misbah could guide us through AUS, IND, and SA as player and captain but then I remembered you bet against Pakistan anyway.

Please dial 1-800-MISBAH-OWNS-US for all tech support questions.

Meanwhile, ]care to show us an example of a captain - even a legendary captain - who has taken 6 wickets in nine overs on the last day of a test match to win it for his team?

 

[iZeeshan]

What are you smoking, iZ? We had a full-circle discussion of your and your brethren's childish "minnows" argument IN THIS VERY THREAD.

I have no time nor motivation to rewrite posts # 945 through 990 here. If you can't be bothered to respond to that discussion, then take it elsewhere, or better yet, to the original thread. No need to waste my time.

I read through them. I don't understand what you're trying to say.

All I'm asking is if you claimed Zimbabwe and Bangladesh are minnows or not?

Even this definition crap of yours is pathetic - it's an understood term in cricket by experts, commentators, i.e. there's nothing to explain! They are minnows and that's that.

And thanks for responding to my earlier post. Actually, I'm quite glad. I don't know what other stupidity you would have come up with.

Lastly, where have we been pwned? Just because you make a point doesn't mean it's automatically correct. If you didn't realize, we make points too and could say you get pwned but it doesn't mean anything unless it's concrete and can actually be accepted by others.

Joker.

 

[iZeeshan]

Please dial 1-800-MISBAH-OWNS-US for all tech support questions.

Meanwhile, ]care to show us an example of a captain - even a legendary captain - who has taken 6 wickets in nine overs on the last day of a test match to win it for his team?

Irrelevant, Ironcat, irrelevant.

That's not how debating works. You don't ask for counter proof.

Just because it has never been done before does not mean it's possible or the captain gives up and agrees to a draw.

 

[Ironcat]

Not exactly defeatist, but I think it's just one of those things that highlights Misbah's defensive captaincy. I mean, you're about to lose the series, why would you agree to a draw?

So, care to show us an example of a captain - even a legendary captain - who has taken 6 wickets in nine overs on the last day of a test match to win it for his team?

Yaar why are you not understanding what I am saying? Instead of being so aggressive, try and read the posts. Yes, you busted my claim but your "busting" had absolutely no concrete basis behind it.

Just because you technically checked off the checklist doesn't mean you actually proved a point. I don't understand how you don't understand that.

Let me get this right.

You feel you have no basis or willingness to debate the real point of contention (i.e. Misbah's agreement to the draw), but you want to waste dozens of your posts on a tertiary derivative point even when your challenge got busted.

Wouldn't you call it trolling? Be honest.

Yes bhai I did, but it doesn't convince anything about MISBAH which is what this whole thread is about!

All it convinces people of is that you'll do anything to protect your own ego, ie even make outlandish claims and then try to support them with even more outlandish evidence!

On one hand, my claim is technically correct.

On the other hand, it is "outlandish".

All this exercise has proven is that you won't back up your own claims, you will call bluff on others' accurate claims, and upon getting busted, you will waste dozens of post trying to reword/twist the original.

I entered this thread mid-debate.

And that's my point. You said your vows with Namak's arguments without realizing the fables he was fabricating and, thus, paid the price. Trust me, tt's not rocket science.

Oh man. That's the way you see it. The way I see it is you praising and defending Misbah and me criticizing your praise and arguments. It depends on which side of the coin you're on.

OK, then, quote for me the post where I was singing Misbah's tunes on my own and you came around to criticize them. And you need to pull out a post from the beginning of an argument. Not mid-debate.

Not to mention, I clearly said that Misbah's captaincy has not been progressive for Pakistan and has been very single minded. He sticks to one plan and can't change according to the situation. You can't accept that?

That's simply your opinion. Without any evidence and context provided, why would I ever accept it (or anything) at face value?

 

[Ironcat]

I read through them. I don't understand what you're trying to say.

All I'm asking is if you claimed Zimbabwe and Bangladesh are minnows or not?

Even this definition crap of yours is pathetic - it's an understood term in cricket by experts, commentators, i.e. there's nothing to explain! They are minnows and that's that.

And thanks for responding to my earlier post. Actually, I'm quite glad. I don't know what other stupidity you would have come up with.

Lastly, where have we been pwned? Just because you make a point doesn't mean it's automatically correct. If you didn't realize, we make points too and could say you get pwned but it doesn't mean anything unless it's concrete and can actually be accepted by others.

Joker.

Yawn. Five paragraphs of nonsense.

Like I said, I have no time nor motivation to rewrite posts # 945 through 990 here. If you can't be bothered to respond to that discussion, then take it elsewhere, or better yet, to the original thread.

No need to waste my time.

 

[Ironcat]

Irrelevant, Ironcat, irrelevant.

That's not how debating works. You don't ask for counter proof.

Just because it has never been done before does not mean it's possible or the captain gives up and agrees to a draw.

The resident "expert" in debating schools himself with the bolded part above.

Read it again. Pathetic.

 

[Ironcat]

Kind of rich after you brought up my education and then my girlfriend?

Sort yourself out.

You deserve every bit of what you receive on this forum. You have a history of stamping personal labels on posters. Don't cry us a river now.

 

[iZeeshan]

My braincells are hurting with your nonsense. I will take care of you tomorrow.

And before you think that I need time to think, I have work tomorrow at 6 AM and it's already 10 PM here.

Also, a while ago, no one had 100 centuries. Does that mean it's impossible? No. It's certainly possible - just hasn't been done. The point is not to give up.

On the other hand, you have failed to provide a legitimate example of someone agreeing to a draw when they were about to lose a series. You are the one trolling by considering that an actual example. Does it actually disprove the theory? No.

No one could possibly criticize Imran for agreeing to a draw there, but here people are.

 

[iZeeshan]

At this point, we should just take a poll on who's been schooled and who has egg on his face and who has valiantly carried an argument here.

 

[Ironcat]

Also, a while ago, no one had 100 centuries. Does that mean it's impossible? No. It's certainly possible - just hasn't been done. The point is not to give up.

Sorry, the point is to be realistic and not a moron such that you expose your team to unnecessary risks. The fact that you don't even have a SINGLE example of your fantasy theory in decades of cricket tells me that the theory sucks.

And, err, there is the same chance of getting 6 wickets in 9 overs today as it was 20 years ago. Now, try working that 100-centuries logic 99 centuries ago.

On the other hand, you have failed to provide a legitimate example of someone agreeing to a draw when they were about to lose a series. You are the one trolling by considering that an actual example. Does it actually disprove the theory? No.

Yawn. Read the examples I provided. Clive Lloyd, for one. And about time you provided something of your own. 27K posts and not even a single piece of evidence I have seen from you EVER.

No one could possibly criticize Imran for agreeing to a draw there, but here people are.

Some of the dumbest logic here would interpret the busting of the draw argument above as criticism of Imran.

 

[iZeeshan]

You're right actually, I've made some pretty dumb arguments. Not even being sarcastic.

Unfortunately, I think arguing with you has made me dumber.

I'm willing to just drop it here Ironcat and conclude you the winner if that makes you happy, because I don't feel like doing this dance anymore. Especially since I entered mid-argument, so I guess that's not fair to anyone here.

I'll chime in when the next one starts.

I'm definitely making myself look worse on this forum by making occasionally citing ridiculous points here and there because of my own ego and don't want to stoop to your level.

So revel in your "victory" Ironcat just like you won that argument earlier by citing that match of IK's.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

That's simply your opinion. Without any evidence and context provided, why would I ever accept it (or anything) at face value?

Oh my. If context means so much to you Ironcat then why don't you accept the context of the evidence you have provided of late? Comparing a 2 Day Test with a 5 Day Test is comparing apples with apples right?

 

[Ironcat]

Oh my. If context means so much to you Ironcat then why don't you accept the context of the evidence you have provided of late? Comparing a 2 Day Test with a 5 Day Test is comparing apples with apples right?

I compared a test with a test. That was sufficient context for that argument.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

Please dial 1-800-MISBAH-OWNS-US for all tech support questions.

Meanwhile, ]care to show us an example of a captain - even a legendary captain - who has taken 6 wickets in nine overs on the last day of a test match to win it for his team?

The point was not whether one has taken 6 wickets in less than 10 overs on the last day. The point in question is why did Misbah concede to the draw and ultimately a defeat in the series by missing an opportunity? Your response? Because IK did it. The truth - Misbah is a defensive and defeatist captain.

I have also noticed how you have appended your demand with 'on the last day'. Perhaps the reason is deep down you know Pakistan has taken 6 wickets in less than 10 overs, in a Test Match.

So save the poor attempt at humour and the drama - answer the simple question - do you have faith in Misbah Ul-Haq?

 

[Namak_Halaal]

I compared a test with a test. That was sufficient context for that argument.

Test with test is face value comparison. The situation which the captains faced in each Test is context.

 

[Ironcat]

The point was not whether one has taken 6 wickets in less than 10 overs on the last day. The point in question is why did Misbah concede to the draw and ultimately a defeat in the series by missing an opportunity? Your response? Because IK did it. The truth - Misbah is a defensive and defeatist captain.

I have also noticed how you have appended your demand with 'on the last day'. Perhaps the reason is reason is deep down you know Pakistan has taken 6 wickets in less than 10 overs, in a Test Match.

So save the poor attempt at humour and the drama - answer the simple question - do you have faith in Misbah Ul-Haq?

Yawn. Show us an example of a captain - even a legendary captain - who has taken 6 wickets in nine overs on the last day of a test match to win it for his team.

Then, we can talk further.

 

[Ironcat]

Test with test is face value comparison. The situation which the captains faced in each Test is context.

In that case, show us an example of a captain - even a legendary captain - who has taken 6 wickets in nine overs on the last day of a test match to win it for his team.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

Yawn. Show us an example of a captain - even a legendary captain - who has taken 6 wickets in nine overs on the last day of a test match to win it for his team.

Then, we can talk further.

Nobody agrees with you. Not even Sharukh619, and this is saying something given the CONTEXT of this thread.

 

[Ironcat]

Nobody agrees with you. Not even Sharukh619, and this is saying something given the CONTEXT of this thread.

Well, at least they respond to me. When was the last time you got someone's attention (other than yours truly's)?

 

[Namak_Halaal]

In that case, show us an example of a captain - even a legendary captain - who has taken 6 wickets in nine overs on the last day of a test match to win it for his team.

Wishy washy stalling.

The onus was on you to provide evidence at which you miserably failed at.

You had an opportunity but you messed up royal.

Now deal with it.

 

[Ironcat]

Wishy washy stalling.

The onus was on you to provide evidence at which you miserably failed at.

You had an opportunity but you messed up royal.

Now deal with it.

Epic surrender.

But it has already happened:

OK lets grant your notion for a second.

Meanwhile, show us an example of a captain - even a legendary captain - who has taken 6 wickets in nine overs on the last day of a test match to win it for his team.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

Epic surrender.

But it has already happened:


Meanwhile, show us an example of a captain - even a legendary captain - who has taken 6 wickets in nine overs on the last day of a test match to win it for his team.

Ironcat, please use your brain for once.

If you believe you have 'PWND' & 'SCHOOLED' us then ask yourself why are you crying for evidence to the contrary? Something not adding up in your POV?

So lets move on to substance - do you have faith in Misbah Ul-Haq?

 

[Ironcat]

Ironcat, please use your brain for once.

If you believe you have 'PWND' & 'SCHOOLED' us then ask yourself why are you crying for evidence to the contrary? Something not adding up in your POV?

So lets move on to substance - do you have faith in Misbah Ul-Haq?

Tell me. If you don't have any evidence to provide, why do you want to get schooled yet again with a new argument?

 

[Namak_Halaal]

Tell me. If you don't have any evidence to provide, why do you want to get schooled yet again with a new argument?

The point was not whether 6 wickets have been taken in less than 10 overs 'in the last day of a Test match'.

The point was why did Misbah give up on an 'opportunity' given Pakistan are capable of taking 6 wickets in less than 10 overs, meaning what difference does it make if it's on the last day or the first day?

You are asking for irrelevant evidence.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

Ironcat why don't you answer my question? Do you have faith in Misbah Ul-Huq?

Why are you choking?

 

[truthseer]

All right, a true list this time around:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63542.html

This one is for all the criticism Misbah had for not going for the target against the Sri Lankans in the UAE. Imran Khan is the captain here. Pakistan did not go for 346 from the start. There was a glimmer of a chance to win (Not even a glimmer in my opinion) when Imran settled for the draw with Hayes. Attacking could have potentially won the series which was shared.

2nd Example: http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63453.html
Pakistan had 87 overs to chase 356. The series was at 0-0. They did not even try


Those are all the examples of Imran's reign I can bring. Any other captain you guys are willing to accept the draws of? Being a Pakistani is not necessary

 

[Ironcat]

The point was not whether 6 wickets have been taken in less than 10 overs 'in the last day of a Test match'.

The point was why did Misbah give up on an 'opportunity' given Pakistan are capable of taking 6 wickets in less than 10 overs, meaning what difference does it make if it's on the last day or the first day?

You are asking for irrelevant evidence.

Namak's u-turn alert.

Here is what he said previously.

Only a defensive and defeatist captain would agree to a draw given the position.

Now, he is saying it wasn't about the last day. But about the first day.

So, explain to us, Namak, how do you draw a test match on the first day?

 

[Ironcat]

Ironcat why don't you answer my question? Do you have faith in Misbah Ul-Huq?

Why are you choking?

Now, now, don't run away from the original argument. We have much spanking to do.

 

[Ironcat]

All right, a true list this time around:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63542.html

This one is for all the criticism Misbah had for not going for the target against the Sri Lankans in the UAE. Imran Khan is the captain here. Pakistan did not go for 346 from the start. There was a glimmer of a chance to win (Not even a glimmer in my opinion) when Imran settled for the draw with Hayes. Attacking could have potentially won the series which was shared.

2nd Example: http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63453.html
Pakistan had 87 overs to chase 356. The series was at 0-0. They did not even try


Those are all the examples of Imran's reign I can bring. Any other captain you guys are willing to accept the draws of? Being a Pakistani is not necessary

The first example I already provided in post # 1130. No brownie points for repeating it.

 

[truthseer]

The point was not whether 6 wickets have been taken in less than 10 overs 'in the last day of a Test match'.

The point was why did Misbah give up on an 'opportunity' given Pakistan are capable of taking 6 wickets in less than 10 overs, meaning what difference does it make if it's on the last day or the first day?

You are asking for irrelevant evidence.

Lankans were ready to agree to a draw at that stage. Let me put forth a scenario. 75 needed 9 overs. Say the Lankans get 35 of the next 4 overs and now need 40 from 5. Would they then ever agree to a draw? While we had Ajmal at one end, Junaid, great bowler, is a medium pacer that could be hammered if need be. And Perera has already biffed us for plenty

 

[Namak_Halaal]

All right, a true list this time around:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63542.html

This one is for all the criticism Misbah had for not going for the target against the Sri Lankans in the UAE. Imran Khan is the captain here. Pakistan did not go for 346 from the start. There was a glimmer of a chance to win (Not even a glimmer in my opinion) when Imran settled for the draw with Hayes. Attacking could have potentially won the series which was shared.

2nd Example: http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63453.html
Pakistan had 87 overs to chase 356. The series was at 0-0. They did not even try


Those are all the examples of Imran's reign I can bring. Any other captain you guys are willing to accept the draws of? Being a Pakistani is not necessary

In both matches you've cited Pakistan was chasing a target to win the Test and both declarations were made when a result was improbable.

In Misbah's scenario Pakistan needed 10 wickets to win the Test and 6 wickets in 10 overs is probable - so there was no need to agree to a draw. Alas! Misbah is a defeatist captain!

 

[truthseer]

In both matches you've cited Pakistan was chasing a target to win the Test and both declarations were made when a result was improbable.

In Misbah's scenario Pakistan needed 10 wickets to win the Test and 6 wickets in 10 overs is probable - so there was no need to agree to a draw. Alas! Misbah is a defeatist captain!

See my response to that argument. Also, any other captain you trust?

 

[Ironcat]

In both matches you've cited Pakistan was chasing a target to win the Test and both declarations were made when a result was improbable.

In Misbah's scenario Pakistan needed 10 wickets to win the Test and 6 wickets in 10 overs is probable - so there was no need to agree to a draw. Alas! Misbah is a defeatist captain!

So, show us an example of a captain - even a legendary captain - who has taken 6 wickets in nine overs on the last day of a test match to win it for his team.

 

[truthseer]

In both matches you've cited Pakistan was chasing a target to win the Test and both declarations were made when a result was improbable.

In Misbah's scenario Pakistan needed 10 wickets to win the Test and 6 wickets in 10 overs is probable - so there was no need to agree to a draw. Alas! Misbah is a defeatist captain!

There was no declaration at all in the Windies match and Pakistan didn't declare in either

 

[Namak_Halaal]

Lankans were ready to agree to a draw at that stage. Let me put forth a scenario. 75 needed 9 overs. Say the Lankans get 35 of the next 4 overs and now need 40 from 5. Would they then ever agree to a draw? While we had Ajmal at one end, Junaid, great bowler, is a medium pacer that could be hammered if need be. And Perera has already biffed us for plenty

Lankans might be up for a draw but why should Misbah agree? He should have said - play on. But he's a defeatist. He has no desire to win. SL lost 4 wickets and Misbah failed to apply the pressure by failing to inspire the team. It's not like SL are immune to collapses either.

Look Ironcat, there have been quite a few tests off memory that have gone down to the wire on the 5th day. So please do not pretend a result in Pakistan's favour was not possible with 10 overs remaining.

 

[Ironcat]

Lankans might be up for a draw but why should Misbah agree? He should have said - play on. But he's a defeatist. He has no desire to win. SL lost 4 wickets and Misbah failed to apply the pressure by failing to inspire the team. It's not like SL are immune to collapses either.

Look Ironcat, there have been quite a few tests off memory that have gone down to the wire on the 5th day. So please do not pretend a result in Pakistan's favour was not possible with 10 overs remaining.

I'm sure if we have memories of taking 6 wickets on the final day in 9 overs, we can provide evidence of those memories here.

Go on. Be brave. Quote us a test. A scorecard. A link.

Look, I'm calling your bluff. At least return the favor.

 

[truthseer]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63882.html
An example of when we went for it and almost lost. We took the last 5 wickets to fall in a 18 over spell, after which for 14 overs, we could not get a wicket and almost lost it

 

[Namak_Halaal]

There was no declaration at all in the Windies match and Pakistan didn't declare in either

Declaration?

I don't know how easy I can make it for you. In both examples IK agreed to a draw when the result was improbable. Misbah - your match winner - agreed to a draw when a result was probable.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

I'm sure if we have memories of taking 6 wickets on the final day in 9 overs, we can provide evidence of those memories here.

Go on. Be brave. Quote us a test. A scorecard. A link.

Look, I'm calling your bluff. At least return the favor.

You are doing it again. Splitting hairs.

Why don't you ask me whether I have evidence of 6 wickets in 10 overs in a Test match? I tell you why, because it's happened before which means the scenario is probable and you know it. Whether on the last day or the first is neither here nor there - it's just semantics and your smilie cannot conceal the truth.

I ask you one last time - do you have faith in Misbah Ul-Haq?

 

[Ironcat]

You are doing it again. Splitting hairs.

Why don't you ask me whether I have evidence of 6 wickets in 10 overs in a Test match? I tell you why, because it's happened before which means the scenario is probable and you know it. Whether on the last day or the first is neither here nor there - it's just semantics and your smilie cannot conceal the truth.

I ask you one last time - do you have faith in Misbah Ul-Haq?

Namak's u-turn alert.

Here is what he said previously.

Only a defensive and defeatist captain would agree to a draw given the position.

Now, he is saying it wasn't about the last day. But about the first day.

So, explain to us, Namak, how do you draw a test match on the first day?

 

[Ironcat]

Declaration?

I don't know how easy I can make it for you. In both examples IK agreed to a draw when the result was improbable. Misbah - your match winner - agreed to a draw when a result was probable.

Imran agreed to a draw with only 65 overs bowled in the day - i.e. 25 remaining. 100 runs to get. 4.00 RPO.

Mahela proposed the draw when 76 off 9 needed. 8.5 RPO.

Another pie in the face.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

What is Ironcat blabbering on about?

Ironcat - you are repeating yourself.

One last try - do you have faith in Misbah Ul-Haq?

 

[Namak_Halaal]

You know what, I don't feel sorry for Ironcat, I feel sorry for his minions who have followed him from thread to thread in their quest to defend Misbah’s honour.

Sharukh619, Bilal, and DeadlyVenom, I pity you. Your leader - "the best poster on PP" turned out to be a hoax. He doesn’t have faith in Misbah yet you have faith in him?

Ironcat has been recycled. He now rides on the coat-tails of truthseer.

It’s time you found yourselves a new leader and a new quest.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

Imran agreed to a draw with only 65 overs bowled in the day - i.e. 25 remaining. 100 runs to get. 4.00 RPO.

Mahela proposed the draw when 76 off 9 needed. 8.5 RPO.

Another pie in the face.

You wallly.

We are talking about Misbah so take a look from Pakistan's perspective. 6 wickets in 10 overs.

Go back to bed.

 

[Ironcat]

You wallly.

We are talking about Misbah so take a look from Pakistan's perspective. 6 wickets in 10 overs.

Go back to bed.

Nope. We are talking about Imran's defensive captaincy. Mahela vs Imran.

You are yet to come up with an example of a parallel with Misbah's.

Schooling today starts with reading comprehension.

 

[Ironcat]

You know what, I don't feel sorry for Ironcat, I feel sorry for his minions who have followed him from thread to thread in their quest to defend Misbah’s honour.

Sharukh619, Bilal, and DeadlyVenom, I pity you. Your leader turned out to be a hoax. He doesn’t have faith in Misbah yet you have faith in him?

Ironcat has been recycled. He now rides on the coat-tails of truthseer.

It’s time you found yourselves a new leader and a new quest.

Namak is short circuiting. Meanwhile:

Namak's u-turn alert.

Here is what he said previously.

Only a defensive and defeatist captain would agree to a draw given the position.

Now, he is saying it wasn't about the last day. But about the first day.

So, explain to us, Namak, how do you draw a test match on the first day?

 

[Namak_Halaal]

This is Ironcat's story

From this:

To this:

Recycled.

 

[Ironcat]

SL series predictions:

I believe Pakistan can do it with or with out Misbah.

3-0 to Pakistan is my prediction.

vs

Not going to happen. At least the 3-0 in SL part. Mahela is a real captain. He will cajole at least a draw out of Misbah and maybe a win out of his replacement.

That said, sky is looking blue. We drop the 0-0 and 0-2 this year and then the 0-3 against the Aussies next year. Without having to do anything extreme, we should be able to remain in top 3 for a while.

Namak = Schooled.