The Russian invasion of Ukraine

[MenInG]

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz has decided to send Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine, and allow other countries to do the same, reports in Germany say.

Leopard 2s are made in Germany and Berlin needs to approve their export.

Germany has been hesitant to send its own - or allow other nations to send theirs - over concerns it could escalate the conflict with Russia.

Now, after international pressure, Mr Scholz has decided to send at least 14 Leopard 2s, German outlets say.

A company is usually 14 tanks - the same number of Leopards Poland wants to send, and the same number of Challenger 2 tanks the UK has already committed to Ukraine.

The news was broken by Der Spiegel in Germany, citing government sources, before being seemingly confirmed elsewhere.

BBC

 

[MenInG]

24th January Briefing, Russian Ministry of defence:

️Russian forces continue offensive in the Donetsk direction, eliminating more than 80 Ukrainian soldiers and DESTROYING a US-made M-777 howitzer.

️ Russian air defenses shoot down 10 Ukrainian drones.

️ Ukrainian unit completely eliminated along with self-propelled howitzer "Acacia" in the Zaporozhye region

️ Russian troops destroy AN/MPQ-50 radar station in Kherson region

️ Russian air forces DESTROY Ukrainian Buk-M1 air defense system in Kharkov region, East Ukraine.

Source: https://eng.mil.ru/en/special_operation/news/more.htm?id=12452403@egNews

IF this was all true - Ukraine would have been history by now - but its not.

 

[Robert]

The USA is sending thirty M1Abrams MBTs to Ukraine.

Germany has at last unleashed the Leopards - at least fourteen are on the way from Germany.

UK has sent fourteen Challengers.

This means that Ukraine has a significant advantage in heavy armour quality (though not quantity) over Russia.

Even Morocco is sending old T-72s.

 

[daytrader]

what we know on day 336 of the invasion

• The United States appears poised to start a process that would eventually send dozens of its M1 Abrams battle tanks to Ukraine, US media reported
• The move follows reports on Tuesday that Berlin has succumbed to huge international and domestic pressure and was set to announce that it will send German-manufactured tanks to Ukraine
• Ukraine’s president Volodymyr Zelenskiy said on Tuesday that Kyiv needed allies to decide on whether they would deliver modern tanks to strengthen the country’s defence against Russia
• In Ukraine, fifteen senior officials have left their posts since Saturday, six of whom have had corruption allegations levelled at them by journalists and Ukraine’s anti-corruption authorities.
• Deputy defence minister Vyacheslav Shapovalov, responsible for supplying troops with food and equipment, also resigned
• Five regional governors are also being removed from power
• Ukraine has enough coal and gas reserves for the remaining months of winter prime minister Denys Shmyhal has said.

The Guardian

 

[the Great Khan]

The USA is sending thirty M1Abrams MBTs to Ukraine.

Germany has at last unleashed the Leopards - at least fourteen are on the way from Germany.

UK has sent fourteen Challengers.

This means that Ukraine has a significant advantage in heavy armour quality (though not quantity) over Russia.

Even Morocco is sending old T-72s.

Err no they don't. Those tanks as of today do not exist. The abrams are not coming this year. The leopards are only two companies worth. The Russians have taken out leopards in Syria and will be ready. Just having armoured isn't enough. How will they defend these tanks? Thay have very limited point defence units. Hardly any ifvs left. Also what about training and maintenance? All the Russians have to do is disabled these tanks..not even destroy them.

The ukrops had nearly 500 tanks before the war started..where are they? They needed at least 300 to retake the Donbass. A company won't make a difference. They need a sustained supply and training I maintenance and logistics. Unless the Germany are also sending staff..

At this moment in time i cant see them doing anything other than suring up the west as Ukraine becomes a polish and NATO vassal state. Acting as a buffer..

 

[Robert]

Err no they don't. Those tanks as of today do not exist. The abrams are not coming this year. The leopards are only two companies worth. The Russians have taken out leopards in Syria and will be ready. Just having armoured isn't enough. How will they defend these tanks? Thay have very limited point defence units. Hardly any ifvs left. Also what about training and maintenance? All the Russians have to do is disabled these tanks..not even destroy them.

The ukrops had nearly 500 tanks before the war started..where are they? They needed at least 300 to retake the Donbass. A company won't make a difference. They need a sustained supply and training I maintenance and logistics. Unless the Germany are also sending staff..

At this moment in time i cant see them doing anything other than suring up the west as Ukraine becomes a polish and NATO vassal state. Acting as a buffer..

Ok but how many tanks has Putin got left in the Ukraine theatre?

He still doesn’t have air superiority, and air strikes are probably the only way he can stop a Western-built MBT. The fabled Armatas haven’t showed up, and even T-90s are cannon fodder for the Leopards / Challengers / Abrams.

I agree that a tank army will be needed to take Donbas stead of companies, but the Ukrainians can keep bleeding Russia by attrition, eventually outlast Putin, and forge peace with his successor.

 

[the Great Khan]

Ok but how many tanks has Putin got left in the Ukraine theatre?

He still doesn’t have air superiority, and air strikes are probably the only way he can stop a Western-built MBT. The fabled Armatas haven’t showed up, and even T-90s are cannon fodder for the Leopards / Challengers / Abrams.

I agree that a tank army will be needed to take Donbas stead of companies, but the Ukrainians can keep bleeding Russia by attrition, eventually outlast Putin, and forge peace with his successor.

I would have to check but i believe he has enough with the mobilised forces. Also the t90m will be coming in large numbers. The Russians won't be getting dragged into ww2 style tanks battles. They use their mi28s a d other air assets to destroy these tanks as well as kornet armed forces. They have already done so in the ME. Its noth8ng new for them. Their new anti tank missile has a massive range..

As for air superiority he has it. The ukrops don't have an airforce left.. its nonsense to think otherwise.

14 leopards won't do anything.

 

[Reddy]

25th January Briefing, Russian Ministry of defence:

In Kupyansk direction, Assault, Army Aviation, and artillery of the Western group of forces have neutralised the units from 14th and 92nd mechanised brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) near Masyutovka, Kupyansk, Gryanikovka (Kharkov region), and Novosyolovskoye (Lugansk People's Republic).

The action of seven AFU sabotage and reconnaissance groups has been prevented near Olshana, Berestovoye (Kharkov region), and Novosyolovskoye (Lugansk People's Republic).

Over 90 Ukrainian personnel, three armoured personnel carriers, one motor vehicle, and two German-manufactured Panzerhabitze 2000 self-propelled howitzers have been eliminated.

In Krasny Liman direction, Army Aviation and artillery of the Central group of forces have neutralised the concentrations of manpower and hardware from 95th Airborne Assault Brigade of the AFU, and 125th Territorial Defence Brigade near Stelmakhovka (Lugansk People's Republic), Serebryanka, and Yampolovka (Donetsk People's Republic).

Over 20 Ukrainian personnel, two armoured fighting vehicles, as well as four self-propelled howitzers (German-manufactured Panzerhaubitze 2000, Polish-manufactured Krab, as well as Msta-S and Gvozdika) have been eliminated.

In Donetsk direction, units from the Southern group of forces continued their successful offensive operations, and neutralised the enemy near Zaliznyanskoye, Dubovo-Vasilevka, Seversk, and Pobeda (Donetsk People's Republic).

Two AFU ordnance depots have been destroyed near Razliv and Konstantinovka (Donetsk People's Republic).

The enemy has lost up to 60 Ukrainian personnel, one armoured personnel carrier, two pickups, and one Msta-B howitzer.

In Zaporozhye direction, the Eastern group of forces has taken more advantageous lines and positions within their offensive operations.

Over 60 Ukrainian personnel, three tanks, two armoured fighting vehicles, one motor vehicle, and one D-20 howitzer have been eliminated.

In Kherson direction, the enemy's attempt to cross the Dnepr River for disembarking sabotage and reconnaissance groups to the left bank has been prevented by artillery near Dnepryany (Kherson region).

Aviation and artillery have neutralised up to one company tactical group of the enemy reserve forces on the right bank of the Dnepr near Nikolayevka (Kherson region).

Up to 30 Ukrainian personnel, three boats, and two infantry fighting vehicles have been eliminated.

Operational-Tactical Aviation, Missile Troops and Artillery of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation have neutralised 79 AFU artillery units at their firing positions, manpower and hardware in 124 areas.

Fighter Aviation of Russian Aerospace Forces have shot down one Su-27 airplane of Ukrainian Air Force near Slavyansk (Donetsk People's Republic).

Russian air defence facilities have shot down one Mi-8 helicopter of Ukrainian Air Force near Novodarovka (Zaporozhye region).

Four Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles have been destroyed near Spornoye, Berestovoye, Blagoveshchenka, Kirillovka (Donetsk People's Republic).

Four rocket-propelled projectiles, launched by HIMARS multiple-launch rocket system, have been intercepted near Pologi and Tarasovka (Zaporozhye region).

Source: https://eng.mil.ru/en/special_operation/news/more.htm?id=12452517@egNews

 

[Technics 1210]

So let me get this straight.

First Russia had run out of missiles back in March 2022, and now Russia has no tanks left?

When will this delusional NATO propaganda end?

 

[MenInG]

The Ukrainian president has told Sky News he is "very happy" and "thankful" that Germany has decided to supply 14 Leopard 2 tanks - but warned the quantity and delivery time of the vehicles is "critical".

Kremlin: Tanks will burn

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov described German and US intentions as "a rather disastrous plan".

"I am convinced that many specialists understand the absurdity of this idea," he said on Wednesday.

"Simply because of technological aspects, this is a rather disastrous plan.

"The main thing is, this is a completely obvious overestimation of the potential [the tanks] would add to the armed forces of Ukraine. It is yet another fallacy, a rather profound one.

"These tanks will burn down just like all the other ones... Except they cost a lot, and this will fall on the shoulders of European taxpayers."

 

[KingKhanWC]

IF this was all true - Ukraine would have been history by now - but its not.

It is true MIG bro.

This war is unlike any other war in history, the technology being used , the destructive weapons and so many willing to die on both sides.

Acc to reports, Ukraine has lost over 125,000 men, with another est of 300k+ wounded. Russia has lost around 20k with another 200k wounded.

Robots are being used to attack humans esp suicide drones.

The world is on the brink of a catastrophe, Nato is a such a terrorist organistion, mainly owned by USA is willing to see the destruction of Europe and Russia.

Sending Leopard or M1 tanks will do nothing for Ukraine, they have lost a long time ago but now are losing a lot of men and a lot of territory almost on a daily basis.

The West need to speak of peace not esclation.

 

[the Great Khan]

It is true MIG bro.

This war is unlike any other war in history, the technology being used , the destructive weapons and so many willing to die on both sides.

Acc to reports, Ukraine has lost over 125,000 men, with another est of 300k+ wounded. Russia has lost around 20k with another 200k wounded.

Robots are being used to attack humans esp suicide drones.

The world is on the brink of a catastrophe, Nato is a such a terrorist organistion, mainly owned by USA is willing to see the destruction of Europe and Russia.

Sending Leopard or M1 tanks will do nothing for Ukraine, they have lost a long time ago but now are losing a lot of men and a lot of territory almost on a daily basis.

The West need to speak of peace not esclation.

I think they will betray Ukraine. You can already see it happening. Poland is going to offload its older tanks and get them replaced by American and Korean ones. The West will wait till putin has taken Eastern Ukraine and will then move into the west with an excuse tonsave Ukraine. But they will hand this over to Poland to oversea..this is where the peace will be made...a division of Ukraine with the west acting as a buffer and the east in Russian hands..

That's my opinion...the west is playing them..

 

[KingKhanWC]

I think they will betray Ukraine. You can already see it happening. Poland is going to offload its older tanks and get them replaced by American and Korean ones. The West will wait till putin has taken Eastern Ukraine and will then move into the west with an excuse tonsave Ukraine. But they will hand this over to Poland to oversea..this is where the peace will be made...a division of Ukraine with the west acting as a buffer and the east in Russian hands..

That's my opinion...the west is playing them..

I think you might be on to something here bro. Poland have called up 200,000 to their army, which is more than double the amount already serving, clearly there is some sort of plan for Poland to be involved. It makes sense for Poland to oversee the western regions as they still believe this land belongs to them.

 

[Robert]

I think they will betray Ukraine. You can already see it happening. Poland is going to offload its older tanks and get them replaced by American and Korean ones. The West will wait till putin has taken Eastern Ukraine and will then move into the west with an excuse tonsave Ukraine. But they will hand this over to Poland to oversea..this is where the peace will be made...a division of Ukraine with the west acting as a buffer and the east in Russian hands..

That's my opinion...the west is playing them..

Interesting idea. Poland-Lithuania was a superpower once, stretching to the Black Sea. But that state was busted up by Sweden and Tsarist Russia.

I think the idea is Russian disinfo:

https://carnegieendowment.org/politika/88585

More likely that Poland wants Ukraine to win because Ukraine will be extremely grateful and will strengthen Poland’s hand in the postwar EU….

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/nov/13/poland-russia-defeat-ukraine-western-europe

 

[Robert]

I think you might be on to something here bro. Poland have called up 200,000 to their army, which is more than double the amount already serving, clearly there is some sort of plan for Poland to be involved. It makes sense for Poland to oversee the western regions as they still believe this land belongs to them.

I doubt it. All NATO states have ramped up their defence budgets since Putin invaded Crimea. Germany for instance demothballed half her MBT fleet, and is strengthening her air force too. It makes sense for Poland to have a strong military, given Putin’s imperialist moves.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I doubt it. All NATO states have ramped up their defence budgets since Putin invaded Crimea. Germany for instance demothballed half her MBT fleet, and is strengthening her air force too. It makes sense for Poland to have a strong military, given Putin’s imperialist moves.

Putin has never suggested any attack or inflitration into Poland or any other nation. The aims were to liberate the Russian speakers in the East who have been attacked for 7 years , 14,000+ dying. If Ukraine/Nato didnt attack these people, allowed them to mantain their culture inc religion/language etc, they would still be part of Ukraine and this war would never have started. The imperialsts are the Yanks, their history inc recent history would suggest their are bloodthirsty imperialists who have no worries of Europe and Russia going to war.

Putin has regularly called for peace talks, please do tell me when did the UK and US call for peace. On the contrary Boris on behalf of his US masters scuppered the peace talks in April last year. He has gone over agains to rally the Ukranians to conintue shedding their blood or US imperialism. Blinken openly said the attack on the Nord stream was a great opportunity or US to sell gas to Europe(at a higher price).

America is no friend of anyone Robert. UK should become independant and a neutral nation, it could help so many nations in forging peace but is nothing but a vassal of US.

 

[the Great Khan]

Interesting idea. Poland-Lithuania was a superpower once, stretching to the Black Sea. But that state was busted up by Sweden and Tsarist Russia.

I think the idea is Russian disinfo:

https://carnegieendowment.org/politika/88585

More likely that Poland wants Ukraine to win because Ukraine will be extremely grateful and will strengthen Poland’s hand in the postwar EU….

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/nov/13/poland-russia-defeat-ukraine-western-europe

I dont think Poland will annex Ukraine. They will merely ensure it becomes a vassal state. A buffer between Europe and Russia. They will Station some NATO forces there but mostly Ukrainians. And they will ensure it remains forever a security state.

Already we are hearing talks of negotiations from think tanks and analysts. What will there be to negotiate if Ukraine wins? Nothing. But if you get some sort of stalemate with Russia dominant in the east and Ukraine surviving in the west the youncan negotiate..

 

[KingKhanWC]

Ukraine threatens to strike Russian cites. In response Russia stated this is more evidence Russia had the right to protect itself in this military operation.

US Navy seal killed in Bakhmut imo was not a desserter, he is among others figthing Natos proxy war.

 

[Robert]

I dont think Poland will annex Ukraine. They will merely ensure it becomes a vassal state. A buffer between Europe and Russia. They will Station some NATO forces there but mostly Ukrainians. And they will ensure it remains forever a security state.

Already we are hearing talks of negotiations from think tanks and analysts. What will there be to negotiate if Ukraine wins? Nothing. But if you get some sort of stalemate with Russia dominant in the east and Ukraine surviving in the west the youncan negotiate..

Poland would obviously like to have more influence in the EU, as will Ukraine in her turn. But you seem to be suggesting that NATO forces will enter western Ukraine, which runs the risk that NATO and Russian forces will bump heads - and we all know where that ends.

I think the NATO states’ strategy here is to continue to bleed Russia for every metre of territory until Putin either dies of cancer, or loses face and is deposed.

Though in the latter case - which oligarch will take charge, and what will be their attitude to Ukraine?

 

[Gilly]

Almost 180,000 Russians have so far been killed or wounded during the war in Ukraine, while the figure for the Ukrainians is 100,000 military casualties and 30,000 dead civilians, according to estimates released by Norway's army chief.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01...ed-soldiers-ukraine-conflict-norway/101883272

 

[Robert]

Putin has never suggested any attack or inflitration into Poland or any other nation. The aims were to liberate the Russian speakers in the East who have been attacked for 7 years , 14,000+ dying. If Ukraine/Nato didnt attack these people, allowed them to mantain their culture inc religion/language etc, they would still be part of Ukraine and this war would never have started. The imperialsts are the Yanks, their history inc recent history would suggest their are bloodthirsty imperialists who have no worries of Europe and Russia going to war.

Putin has regularly called for peace talks, please do tell me when did the UK and US call for peace. On the contrary Boris on behalf of his US masters scuppered the peace talks in April last year. He has gone over agains to rally the Ukranians to conintue shedding their blood or US imperialism. Blinken openly said the attack on the Nord stream was a great opportunity or US to sell gas to Europe(at a higher price).

America is no friend of anyone Robert. UK should become independant and a neutral nation, it could help so many nations in forging peace but is nothing but a vassal of US.

You’ve been watching too much RT, mate. Putin is mugging you off.

His MO is

1. destabilise a neighbour by several methods such as infiltrating trade unions with FSB agents, stirring up racial and ethnic hatred by funding far right groups, increasing the level of street violence, troll houses flooding social media with propaganda to undermine trust in institutions.

2. then when a society starts to break down, claim that he will act to “protect ethnic Russians from violence “.

3. Moscow-aligned paramilitaries seize local communication hubs

4. Invade and annex.

See South Ossetia (2008), Crimea (2014), Donbas (2022).

He would have an invaded the Baltic states by now too, were they not crawling with NATO troops.

 

[Technics 1210]

America is no friend of anyone Robert. UK should become independant and a neutral nation, it could help so many nations in forging peace but is nothing but a vassal of US.

Exactly. I feel sorry for the Liberals and NATO apologists who think Amreeka is UK's friend. Said people deserve to be humiliated and to be used as cannon fodder for Amreekan aims.

UK should be looking beyond the White West Liberal governments of the West and seek to forge relationships in the East, but we all know Western Liberalism is inherently racist and fascist.

 

[Technics 1210]

Almost a year on and the West have been humiliated on all fronts.

Russia had run out of Missiles last year, and Putin was apparently dying of cancer.

The West and ZMSM has now changed its tuned.

Lies, lies, and Propaganda from ZMSM and its minions.

 

[the Great Khan]

https://www.channel4.com/news/how-u...gration-in-ethnically-diverse-areas-of-the-uk

A very interesting report. [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION].

Especially the woman who moved because she was afraid of brown people. Oh bhai to kyiv waapis chuli jao phir. Can't believe we have to deal with homegrown racism and now imported racism too.

 

[the Great Khan]

You’ve been watching too much RT, mate. Putin is mugging you off.

His MO is

1. destabilise a neighbour by several methods such as infiltrating trade unions with FSB agents, stirring up racial and ethnic hatred by funding far right groups, increasing the level of street violence, troll houses flooding social media with propaganda to undermine trust in institutions.

2. then when a society starts to break down, claim that he will act to “protect ethnic Russians from violence “.

3. Moscow-aligned paramilitaries seize local communication hubs

4. Invade and annex.

See South Ossetia (2008), Crimea (2014), Donbas (2022).

He would have an invaded the Baltic states by now too, were they not crawling with NATO troops.

Sounds like the wests modus operandi in many places. He's just doing what you've done. But he's doing it to you instead of a Muslim country or a Latin one. Hence why most people in the east have zero sympathy. I get its hard to fathom for you but most of us have seen enough dead brown people at the hands of western missiles that we shrug and say "eventually you reap what you sow"...

As Pakistanis we have seen it first hand hence why we are even more unsympathetic to your position. MI6 support for the MQM death squads..Western interfer3nce to tryband destabilise us and support for India when theybare bombing us..and so fourth.. indont know why you expect us to support this war?? Are yu truly that naive?

 

[Robert]

Sounds like the wests modus operandi in many places. He's just doing what you've done. But he's doing it to you instead of a Muslim country or a Latin one. Hence why most people in the east have zero sympathy. I get its hard to fathom for you but most of us have seen enough dead brown people at the hands of western missiles that we shrug and say "eventually you reap what you sow"...

“You”? When did Georgia and Ukraine blow up brown people?

 

[bones]

“You”? When did Georgia and Ukraine blow up brown people?

Are you aware that Georgian and Ukranian soldiers fought alongside NATO troops in the Middle East?

 

[Reddy]

Missile attacks again all across Ukraine today. Missile hits in in Kiev region, Central Ukraine, Dnepropetrovsk region, East Ukraine, and Odessa region, South Ukraine.

 

[Reddy]

️ Huge smoke cloud fills Kiev skyline as mayor Klitschko confirms reports about explosions in Ukrainian capital, urging everyone to remain in shelters

Earlier, Ukrainian military claimed all Russian cruise missiles have been shot down

Local authorities in Odessa, South Ukraine, say Russian strikes damage 2 critical energy infrastructure facilities in region.

 

[the Great Khan]

“You”? When did Georgia and Ukraine blow up brown people?

You as in the West. He is just using the same oppresive techniques as the west has but he is doing it to your staunch ally and in Europe. So hopefully in future the west will learn..( I'm not holding my breath though)

 

[Robert]

Are you aware that Georgian and Ukranian soldiers fought alongside NATO troops in the Middle East?

You mean ISAF?

Georgia was involved in peacekeeping in Helmand.

Ukraine sent military doctors.

Other nations involved in ISAF included Bahrain, Jordan, Malaysia, Mongolia, South Korea, and UAE. Should all those be attacked by Russia too?

 

[Robert]

You as in the West. He is just using the same oppresive techniques as the west has but he is doing it to your staunch ally and in Europe. So hopefully in future the west will learn..( I'm not holding my breath though)

You’re in the West too aren’t you?

Even KKWC has said he would pick up a rifle if UK was attacked, which I respect him for.

 

[Reddy]

Energy facilities in the southern, central and southwestern regions of Ukraine were damaged as a result of today's explosions - Ukrenergo

 

[the Great Khan]

You’re in the West too aren’t you?

Even KKWC has said he would pick up a rifle if UK was attacked, which I respect him for.

It would be my God given duty to defend this land if it were attacked. And if you knew what my day job was you would not ask this again.

However we have every right to criticise and show a mirror to the cheer leaders. It is our right and actually our duty.

 

[Reddy]

Missile attack on Ukraine: what is currently known:

On the morning of January 26,the Russian Armed Forces attacked Ukraine's military and energy facilities with cruise missiles. The first strikes targeted facilities in Dnepropetrovsk, Kherson, Zaporozhiye, Kharkov and Cherkasy regions at a distance of 100-250 kilometres from the front line.

The Russian Armed Forces then proceeded to hit targets deep within the defence line. At this stage, the strikes targeted the locations of air defence systems and electronic and air reconnaissance stations, as well as AFU aviation based areas.

According to the Military Chronicle, land- and sea-based cruise missiles were launched against targets in the Kiev, Vinnytsia, Nykolayev and Odessa regions.

According to preliminary data, the Kiev hydroelectric power plant in Kiev region was hit. Objects in the Dneprovskyi district of Kiev were also hit.

In the Odessa region, cruise missile strikes knocked out four large substations: Usatove, Mayaki, Malynivske, and the Chumka substation. In some districts of the city and the region, electricity and water supplies were cut off after the substations were hit.

Ukrainian TG-Channels reported at least 10 hits on critical infrastructure in Kiev, Odessa, Dnipro, and Vinnitsa. So far, the local authorities have acknowledged only a few hits. However, the mass blackouts tell a completely different story.

For the third wave of strikes, Lancet borne ammunition was used. The targets of the kamikaze drones in Kharkov region were hangars where the AFU deployed American M777 howitzers, Polish AHS Krab self-propelled units and ammunition for them.

Source: Slavyangrad

 

[Robert]

It would be my God given duty to defend this land if it were attacked. And if you knew what my day job was you would not ask this again.

However we have every right to criticise and show a mirror to the cheer leaders. It is our right and actually our duty.

Fair enough.

 

[JaDed]

NG prices May 2021 levels, now everyone should be careful of what Putin might do as inflation to come under control soon..along with energy price

 

[Reddy]

26th January Briefing, Russian Ministry of defence:

In Kupyansk direction, the 'Zapad' Group of Forces inflicted a fire damage on concentration of manpower of 14th and 92nd mechanised brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) close to Sinkovka, Timkovka (Kharkov region), and Novoselovskoye (Lugansk People's Republic).

More than 20 Ukrainian troops, an armored combat vehicle, a pickup truck, and a D-20 howitzer were eliminated.

In Krasny Liman direction, units of the 25th Airborne and 95th Airborne Assault Brigades of the AFU close to Yampolovka (Donetsk People's Republic), as well as Serebryansky forest area, were hit by strikes of Operational-Tactical and Army Aviation of the 'Tsentr' Group of Forces.

The enemy's losses during the day in this area amounted to up to 70 troops killed and wounded, two armoured fighting vehicles, and four US-made M-777 artillery systems.

In Donetsk direction, units of the 'Yug' Group of Forces took better ground and positions during the offensive.

An artillery ammunition depot of the Ukrainian Armed Forces has been destroyed near Konstantinovka (Donetsk People's Republic).

More than 40 Ukrainian servicemen, an infantry fighting vehicle, two Grad MLRS systems, a US-made M109 Paladin self-propelled artillery unit, two D-20 and Hyacinth-B howitzers, and a US-made AN/TPQ-50 counter-battery radiation station have been neutralised.

In South Donetsk and Zaporozhye directions, units of the 'Vostok' Group of Forces, continuing their offensive, inflicted fire on the enemy in the areas of Ugledar (Donetsk People's Republic), Pavlovka and Levadnoye (Zaporozhye region).

Total enemy losses in this direction amounted to 60 Ukrainian servicemen, three armoured fighting vehicles, and two pick-up trucks.

Moreover, two fuel storage facilities for military equipment and three ammunition depots belonging to the AFU were destroyed near the towns of Ugledar (Donetsk People's Republic) and Chervonoye and Kantserovka (Zaporozhye region).

In Kherson direction, three D-20 howitzers, a Gvozdika self-propelled howitzer, and two US-made AN/TPQ-37 and AN/TPQ-50 counter-battery radar stations were annihilated as part of counter-battery countermeasures.

Also, four ammunition depots of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were hit in the areas of Dudchany, Tokarevka (Kherson region), and Chervonogrygovka, Dnepropetrovsk Region.

Operational-Tactical Aviation, Missile Troops and Artillery of the Russian Armed Forces' grouping of troops (forces) engaged 83 artillery units at firing positions, as well as manpower, and military hardware in 119 areas.

One radar of Ukrainian S-300 air defence system was destroyed near Ochakov (Nikolayev region).

Fighter aviation of Russian Aerospace Forces has shot down one Su-25 aircraft of Ukrainian Air Force near Andreevka (Donetsk People's Republic).

Russian air defence facilities have shot down 1 Su-25 airplane of Ukrainian Air Force near Ugledar (Donetsk People's Republic).

Also, eight Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles were obliterated in the areas of Kreminna, Zhytlovka, Novokrasnyanka (Lugansk People's Republic), Nikolskoye (Donetsk People's Republic), Novoprokopovka, and Dorozhnyanka of the Zaporozhye region.

Seven Olha, Uragan and HIMARS multiple-launch rocket shells were intercepted near Kreminna (Lugansk People's Republic), Kuybyshevo, Valerianovka (Donetsk People's Republic), Novouspenovka (Zaporozhye region) and Chaplynka (Kherson region).

In addition, a US-made HARM anti-radar missile was shot down near the village of Kostogryzovo (Kherson region).

Source: https://eng.mil.ru/en/special_operation/news/more.htm?id=12452613@egNews

 

[KingKhanWC]

You’ve been watching too much RT, mate. Putin is mugging you off.

His MO is

1. destabilise a neighbour by several methods such as infiltrating trade unions with FSB agents, stirring up racial and ethnic hatred by funding far right groups, increasing the level of street violence, troll houses flooding social media with propaganda to undermine trust in institutions.

2. then when a society starts to break down, claim that he will act to “protect ethnic Russians from violence “.

3. Moscow-aligned paramilitaries seize local communication hubs

4. Invade and annex.

See South Ossetia (2008), Crimea (2014), Donbas (2022).

He would have an invaded the Baltic states by now too, were they not crawling with NATO troops.

I read various news/reports/articles but rarely RT as it has been banned, so much for Europes great freedom of speech mantra.

Im sorry to say but your patriotism is mugging you off my friend but if anyone invades the UK, I will be happy to come protect you and your family if you need me to do so.

All you have wrote has been written off now. Merkel and Chirac have admitted the Minsk talks were merely a time delay tactic so Nato could arm, train Ukranians and prepare them to face Russia. Putin actually tried his best for peace, not what the UK or US who sadly are terrorist states would have done. You cannot tell me with with a straight face if Russia or China were doing the same in Mexico or in Ireland, US and UK would be crying like little girls demanding war. Why should Russia allow its security to be compromised? Remeber if it wasnt for the Russians Robert, you and Mrs Robert would be living under Nazi rule. The nonsense of Chruchill being the savour the nation is nothing but a lie. After WW2 the Russian people said NEVER AGAIN , you know just like the Jews are saying after the holocaust?

Also dont ever forget Ukraine have a large Nazi presence, they celebrate a Nazi who killed many Russians, they have named streets after them while this conflict is on-going. Do you think Russia should ignore this? Would the Jews ignore this? Russia hasnt and has pretty much wiped out all the Nazis, who are now burning in hell. The Azov who were the national guard were wiped out in Mariupol.

Russia has won, its time for the west to look for peace. Sending in Leapord German tanks which are pretty much the tanks the Nazis sent to attack Russia is only making the Russians more determined. All the tanks will be rubble soon.

I would like to know why the west ISNT CALLING FOR PEACE but only for escalation?

 

[KingKhanWC]

https://www.channel4.com/news/how-u...gration-in-ethnically-diverse-areas-of-the-uk

A very interesting report. [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION].

Especially the woman who moved because she was afraid of brown people. Oh bhai to kyiv waapis chuli jao phir. Can't believe we have to deal with homegrown racism and now imported racism too.

We shouldnt generalise but in this case its fair. Ukranians in general have a racist mindset. Remember the Indian students when the war started? They must think the UK is full of white , blonde , blue eyed people like them lol. They should understand the taxes which are supporting them inc taxes from brown and black people. Agree if you dont like it here because Bham has too many browns , **** here Azov fans.

 

[Technics 1210]

I would like to know why the west ISNT CALLING FOR PEACE but only for escalation?

Forget that, I would like to know why NATO apologists are not calling for peace?

The Western governments need a bogeyman to dupe the masses and to fill the pockets, and the propaganda is working, clearly.

Ask these so called Western Liberals/NATO apologists what Russia, Iraq, Libya, Latin America etc ever did to the West and you will not receive a single credible answer, because there is none.

I was lead to believe liberals were the fair, balanced, and critical thinkers of this world, I was wrong, it turns out liberals are the real racists, fascists, and hypocrites of this world. They spend their time justifying the ills of the West but come out in their drove when Isreal is criticised!

Russia land grabbing warrants sanctions, but Isreal land grabbing warrants investments!

 

[KingKhanWC]

Forget that, I would like to know why NATO apologists are not calling for peace?

The Western governments need a bogeyman to dupe the masses and to fill the pockets, and the propaganda is working, clearly.

Ask these so called Western Liberals/NATO apologists what Russia, Iraq, Libya, Latin America etc ever did to the West and you will not receive a single credible answer, because there is none.

I was lead to believe liberals were the fair, balanced, and critical thinkers of this world, I was wrong, it turns out liberals are the real racists, fascists, and hypocrites of this world. They spend their time justifying the ills of the West but come out in their drove when Isreal is criticised!

Russia land grabbing warrants sanctions, but Isreal land grabbing warrants investments!

I think thats an easy answer. Most westerners are brainwashed, duped , fooled like children in believing they are their nation are the good guys. Remember in school, the history lessons, it starts from there, continues to teenage years when many become army reservists or patriots after wearing the England shirt. Its sad because the UK has some of the most smart people on Earth, many are not fooled but they are the minority.

Also if anyone calls out the lies of the media/government they are cancelled, attacked or ridiculed. To this day people still believe 911 offical story or believe their nation was correct to invade Iraq, inc the woman in hell now , Albreight who said 500,000 kids died to US sanctions in Iraq were worth it.

For me Im a Muslim and a person who as the ability to think, so will always speak what I feel is the truth, many just dont even when they know.

 

[Technics 1210]

I think thats an easy answer. Most westerners are brainwashed, duped , fooled like children in believing they are their nation are the good guys. Remember in school, the history lessons, it starts from there, continues to teenage years when many become army reservists or patriots after wearing the England shirt. Its sad because the UK has some of the most smart people on Earth, many are not fooled but they are the minority.

Also if anyone calls out the lies of the media/government they are cancelled, attacked or ridiculed. To this day people still believe 911 offical story or believe their nation was correct to invade Iraq, inc the woman in hell now , Albreight who said 500,000 kids died to US sanctions in Iraq were worth it.

For me Im a Muslim and a person who as the ability to think, so will always speak what I feel is the truth, many just dont even when they know.

Indeed, the brainwashing starts at school.

But get this, when a journalist, Julian Assange exposes the western truth, the crimes committed by Western armed forces, these same liberals want him extradited to Amreeka to face a comedy trial so that he can die in jail. It is sickening to the core.

Then remember the SAS were caught killing innocent people and the news broke late last year? What happened? Yup, all brushed under the carpet, yet these liberals only care about Putin!

Liberals and the West in particular have no standards, no discipline, and the ones who do, the ones who think critically, question everything, are being cancelled, and worse yet, erased from existence!

 

[KingKhanWC]

Indeed, the brainwashing starts at school.

But get this, when a journalist, Julian Assange exposes the western truth, the crimes committed by Western armed forces, these same liberals want him extradited to Amreeka to face a comedy trial so that he can die in jail. It is sickening to the core.

Then remember the SAS were caught killing innocent people and the news broke late last year? What happened? Yup, all brushed under the carpet, yet these liberals only care about Putin!

Liberals and the West in particular have no standards, no discipline, and the ones who do, the ones who think critically, question everything, are being cancelled, and worse yet, erased from existence!

Bro, we could be here all night listing the crimes which are ignored or sometimes defended. No culture in history has commmitted so many crimes around the planet as the western nations have. US celebrate thanksgiving which is an event which ended with natives being butchered after they helped them. You cant make this up its so outragous.

Films like Bond dont help either, every other baddie is a Russian. lol.

However credit where its due..

Hundreds rally in NYC against U.S. war machine

https://english.news.cn/20230115/c298c0cad40b4278a863f93328aabb1e/c.html

Many other protests have taken place around Europe. But end of Feb there will be bigger rallys inc one in London on the 25th Feb. I might be down there.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Missile attacks again all across Ukraine today. Missile hits in in Kiev region, Central Ukraine, Dnepropetrovsk region, East Ukraine, and Odessa region, South Ukraine.

Western media is claiming this is in retaliation for the tanks. Russia's planning is very precise, this was going to happen with or without a few dozen tanks. Any sane nation would surrender but when you have a puppet leader along with Nato warmongering its not so easy.

 

[Robert]

I read various news/reports/articles but rarely RT as it has been banned, so much for Europes great freedom of speech mantra.

Im sorry to say but your patriotism is mugging you off my friend but if anyone invades the UK, I will be happy to come protect you and your family if you need me to do so.

And I yours. Not that I’d be much good these days but maybe I could drive a truck or something.

All you have wrote has been written off now. Merkel and Chirac have admitted the Minsk talks were merely a time delay tactic so Nato could arm, train Ukranians and prepare them to face Russia.

That tells me is that they expected Putin to invade for years. UKR didn’t have much Western munitions though - mostly the ex-Soviet stuff.

You cannot tell me with with a straight face if Russia or China were doing the same in Mexico or in Ireland, US and UK would be crying like little girls demanding war.

I don’t understand these hypotheticals. USA would certainly take an interest into an invasion of Mexico as the hostile power would be right on their border.

As for Ireland, they are NATO-aligned, there are numerous Irish-American senators and reps including the POTUS, have a Common Travel Zone with UK, and are EU members - most of which are NATO members too. I would join up. Better to go out hard for a reason, than slowly fade into old age.

Remeber if it wasnt for the Russians Robert, you and Mrs Robert would be living under Nazi rule. .

Well, Mrs Robert’s family wouldn’t have been allowed to a Nazi Britain. Or any Pakistanis either.

But there is no way Nazi Germany could have got through the Royal Navy to invade GB. Their fleet was too weak to challenge the RN which was the enforcer of a worldwide empire.

I could argue that GB kept USSR going, by sending them so many planes, tanks, artillery, medicine and uniforms.

Western Europe was saved by USA in WW2, not USSR, which subjected Eastern Europe to an equivalent tyranny to Nazi Germany. Had USA not intervened to n 1941, all of Europe would eventually have fallen under the Soviet yoke with UK the one remaining democratic state, threatened as China now threatens Taiwan.

Anyway the comparison with Stalin and Putin is fallacious, as one was a communist and the other a modern right wing populist. Russia was identified as the enemy by Clem Attlee in 1945 but things were getting better for a while, until Putin restarted the Cold War in 2009 - which a deep dive into PP will reveal me warning you all of. This war has been coming a long time, and I called it.

 

[KingKhanWC]

And I yours. Not that I’d be much good these days but maybe I could drive a truck or something.



That tells me is that they expected Putin to invade for years. UKR didn’t have much Western munitions though - mostly the ex-Soviet stuff.



I don’t understand these hypotheticals. USA would certainly take an interest into an invasion of Mexico as the hostile power would be right on their border.

As for Ireland, they are NATO-aligned, there are numerous Irish-American senators and reps including the POTUS, have a Common Travel Zone with UK, and are EU members - most of which are NATO members too. I would join up. Better to go out hard for a reason, than slowly fade into old age.



Well, Mrs Robert’s family wouldn’t have been allowed to a Nazi Britain. Or any Pakistanis either.

But there is no way Nazi Germany could have got through the Royal Navy to invade GB. Their fleet was too weak to challenge the RN which was the enforcer of a worldwide empire.

I could argue that GB kept USSR going, by sending them so many planes, tanks, artillery, medicine and uniforms.

Western Europe was saved by USA in WW2, not USSR, which subjected Eastern Europe to an equivalent tyranny to Nazi Germany. Had USA not intervened to n 1941, all of Europe would eventually have fallen under the Soviet yoke with UK the one remaining democratic state, threatened as China now threatens Taiwan.

Anyway the comparison with Stalin and Putin is fallacious, as one was a communist and the other a modern right wing populist. Russia was identified as the enemy by Clem Attlee in 1945 but things were getting better for a while, until Putin restarted the Cold War in 2009 - which a deep dive into PP will reveal me warning you all of. This war has been coming a long time, and I called it.

Putin is not right wing, he is Orthdox Christian. But lets leave the debate about WW2, what we can agree on is 25+million Russians died when their nation fought the Nazis. Now they are faced similar foes.

Im not suggesting any invasion of Mexico but Mexico happily allowing Russian or Chinese troops in their nation, training , financing and giving Mexicans weapons to one day fight Americans. Not to mention the if Russia helped with a coup to bring down the Mexican leader and replace with their puppet. What do you think the Yanks would do?

Also again why arent teh western leaders calling for peace?

 

[Technics 1210]

Bro, we could be here all night listing the crimes which are ignored or sometimes defended. No culture in history has commmitted so many crimes around the planet as the western nations have. US celebrate thanksgiving which is an event which ended with natives being butchered after they helped them. You cant make this up its so outragous.

Films like Bond dont help either, every other baddie is a Russian. lol.

The Russians have been the Hollywood bogeyman for yonks! Fearmongering sells.

However credit where its due..


https://english.news.cn/20230115/c298c0cad40b4278a863f93328aabb1e/c.html

Many other protests have taken place around Europe. But end of Feb there will be bigger rallys inc one in London on the 25th Feb. I might be down there.

I give credit to the citizens who stand up to the NATO warmongering machine. However, the Western media will NEVER report on such protests, oh no, they rather plaster the channels with BLM, Say no to oil, LGBTQ protests etc.

Any protest that creates and fuels divide, the ZMSM will make it headline news, but any protest promoting peace - doesn't even make it to slow news day!

 

[KingKhanWC]

The Russians have been the Hollywood bogeyman for yonks! Fearmongering sells.




I give credit to the citizens who stand up to the NATO warmongering machine. However, the Western media will NEVER report on such protests, oh no, they rather plaster the channels with BLM, Say no to oil, LGBTQ protests etc.

Any protest that creates and fuels divide, the ZMSM will make it headline news, but any protest promoting peace - doesn't even make it to slow news day!

The media is not free, fair or independent, its controlled by the powers that be. Brits still believe Ukraine is winning because this is what they are told. If they do air protests they label them as traitors or sympathisers of Putin/Russia/Saddam/Asad/Taliban, heck Ive had clowns on here suggest this to me lol.

Thankfully we have other platforms such as Telegram and Patrion where people are free to talk or give their opiniion which maybe opposite of Nato. I would advise all to listen to the likes of Chris hedges who shares his thoughts on Western imperialism, its scary to listen to.

 

[Technics 1210]

The media is not free, fair or independent, its controlled by the powers that be. Brits still believe Ukraine is winning because this is what they are told. If they do air protests they label them as traitors or sympathisers of Putin/Russia/Saddam/Asad/Taliban, heck Ive had clowns on here suggest this to me lol.

Thankfully we have other platforms such as Telegram and Patrion where people are free to talk or give their opiniion which maybe opposite of Nato. I would advise all to listen to the likes of Chris hedges who shares his thoughts on Western imperialism, its scary to listen to.

Western media is a propaganda tool, this is a fact. Western democracy is also a sham, we are presented with the illusion of choice which all lead to the same path and goal. Western prosperity is an outright lie, many of us are slaves to debt.

To top it off, the concern for Ukrainians is also a front, not a single liberal in this thread defending Ukraine would take in a refugee from Ukraine - they just like the sound of their own voice so they can sleep easy at night knowing they have appeased the morals enforced and dictated to them by the ZMSM.

 

[Robert]

Putin is not right wing, he is Orthdox Christian.

You think they are mutually exclusive? Plenty of American Christians are right wing nut jobs. Putin is the world’s richest man, or was, by seizing personal ownership and control of the old Soviet state utilities and making the other oligarch pay him half on pain of assassination. Read Bill Browder on this.

But lets leave the debate about WW2, what we can agree on is 25+million Russians died when their nation fought the Nazis. Now they are faced similar foes.

In 1941 USSR was faced with an extremely capable invading army of millions. They lost 25M because the officer class had been purged by Stalin, so the Red Army was basically leaderless. They also had terrible supply lines and a lot of their troops simply starved to death. It took a couple of years of war for decent officers to come up through the ranks.

Now the grandsons of the Red Army soldiers who repelled Hitler are the invaders.

Im not suggesting any invasion of Mexico but Mexico happily allowing Russian or Chinese troops in their nation, training , financing and giving Mexicans weapons to one day fight Americans. Not to mention the if Russia helped with a coup to bring down the Mexican leader and replace with their puppet. What do you think the Yanks would do?

What they attempted in 1963 in Cuba of course.

Also again why arent teh western leaders calling for peace?

Because appeasement of a despot doesn’t work. UK & France tried that in 1940. Despots see negotiation as weakness. It just leads to more war. If Putin keeps the Donbas, he will try again somewhere else.

Where will that be? Finland? No wonder they are scrambling to join NATO after decades of neutrality. And they have no love of Russia ever since the Winter War of 1939.

 

[JaDed]

Mexicans as such aren’t Anti- American, esp Latin Americans(USA ones) who are extremely patriotic.. Russia and China can train but they will not achieve any substantial influence there.

Should stick to Columbia,Venezuela , Argentina and other failed states

 

[Technics 1210]

Russia (or USSR back then) did park nukes in Cuba though, as a reaction/response to Amreeka parking weapons in Turkey to intimidate USSR.

The West have always been the instigators.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You think they are mutually exclusive? Plenty of American Christians are right wing nut jobs. Putin is the world’s richest man, or was, by seizing personal ownership and control of the old Soviet state utilities and making the other oligarch pay him half on pain of assassination. Read Bill Browder on this.

Sure but Putin pay tribute to various religions , called them as part of Russian culture etc

In 1941 USSR was faced with an extremely capable invading army of millions. They lost 25M because the officer class had been purged by Stalin, so the Red Army was basically leaderless. They also had terrible supply lines and a lot of their troops simply starved to death. It took a couple of years of war for decent officers to come up through the ranks.

Now the grandsons of the Red Army soldiers who repelled Hitler are the invaders.




What they attempted in 1963 in Cuba of course.

And how did the US react? Some generals were urgning a nuclear war, luckily Kennedy was smarter but he was confused as to why the CIA/Deep state want this.

The same would occur again if Mexico was Ukraine and USA was Russia. Why should Russia have less security concerns esp against Nazis who they fought in WW2?

Because appeasement of a despot doesn’t work. UK & France tried that in 1940. Despots see negotiation as weakness. It just leads to more war. If Putin keeps the Donbas, he will try again somewhere else.

Where will that be? Finland? No wonder they are scrambling to join NATO after decades of neutrality. And they have no love of Russia ever since the Winter War of 1939.

You need to first argue Russia is more evil than US/UK and west. Calling someone a despot means little as US leaders have been more than despots , terrorists. No man not even Albert Einstein can claim Russia is more of a thread to world peace or the world compared to US.

 

[Robert]

You need to first argue Russia is more evil than US/UK and west. Calling someone a despot means little as US leaders have been more than despots , terrorists. No man not even Albert Einstein can claim Russia is more of a thread to world peace or the world compared to US.

Fair points.

But no country is totally good or totally bad. So you have to choose a relatively good one to live in. Which reflects your values to a greater and not a lesser degree.

The world is forming into blocs. EU / EFTA / UK / North America is one bloc, where we at least try for free and fair elections, free press, open judiciary, and the personal freedoms that the philosophy of liberalism has brought.

Do we live up to these high standards? Not always. And some parties are better at delivering these good things than others. Right now we in the UK are run by a particularly bad party who exist to enrich their already super-rich donors. But we can change that.

I believe that we live in the system which allows the most freedom.

Authoritarian states and blocs allow less freedom. If they are expansionist and curtail the freedom of the people in areas they expand into, they must be resisted.

 

[SalimBhai]

Fair points.

But no country is totally good or totally bad. So you have to choose a relatively good one to live in. Which reflects your values to a greater and not a lesser degree.

The world is forming into blocs. EU / EFTA / UK / North America is one bloc, where we at least try for free and fair elections, free press, open judiciary, and the personal freedoms that the philosophy of liberalism has brought.

Do we live up to these high standards? Not always. And some parties are better at delivering these good things than others. Right now we in the UK are run by a particularly bad party who exist to enrich their already super-rich donors. But we can change that.

I believe that we live in the system which allows the most freedom.

Authoritarian states and blocs allow less freedom. If they are expansionist and curtail the freedom of the people in areas they expand into, they must be resisted.

Agreed 100 percent.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Fair points.

But no country is totally good or totally bad. So you have to choose a relatively good one to live in. Which reflects your values to a greater and not a lesser degree.

The world is forming into blocs. EU / EFTA / UK / North America is one bloc, where we at least try for free and fair elections, free press, open judiciary, and the personal freedoms that the philosophy of liberalism has brought.

Do we live up to these high standards? Not always. And some parties are better at delivering these good things than others. Right now we in the UK are run by a particularly bad party who exist to enrich their already super-rich donors. But we can change that.

I believe that we live in the system which allows the most freedom.

Authoritarian states and blocs allow less freedom. If they are expansionist and curtail the freedom of the people in areas they expand into, they must be resisted.

Im a UK resident through and through. The only reason I'd move is for the cold weather or if the country turns into anarchy. There is no debate with you in regards to living here or Russia or anywhere tbh.

My concern is the governments we have or to be more accurate the people we have who run the country. They are ok with UK being destroyed economically and in a nuclear war. We are already in WW3, the only issue is we are not being hit directly by bombs and missiles because atm UK , Europe and US are being attacked via economic means. We live in a debt ridden society and a materialistic society, eventually they collapse in various ways.

Nato/US/UK history of attacks on other nations and their economic terroism is plenty proof this group is the biggest danger to the planet not Putin who has on many occasions wanted peace or even a partnership with those. He only wants indpendence and his people to be able to practice their faith and live with money in pockets. When a country is under threat and the leader is under serious threat they will curtail freedoms.

By the end of the year it will be clear what we have in store in future. You enjoy your life everyday with Mrs Robert and stay safe and always happy my friend.

 

[sweep_shot]

The West have always been the instigators.

Correct.

Yankees instigate conflicts all over the world. The so-called military industrial complex.

Russia is a saint compared to what America has done worldwide.

 

[Technics 1210]

What nonsense. The West talks about freedoms, of speech and choice, but is hell bent enforcing its ideals on other nations through bullying or force.

It is ludicrous to even suggest the West represents freedom.

 

[Technics 1210]

Here's the truth : The West is peed off that Putin rebuilt Russia into a powerhouse both politically and economically after the collapse of USSR.

FACT.

The West simply cannot fathom this fact yet its minions come out with the Putin restarted the Cold War, he didn't, the Cold War never ended in the first place after NATO kept goading Russia in the 90s by parking weapons near the Russian border.

I urge everyone not to fall for the NATO/Liberal propaganda. Do your own thinking.

 

[Robert]

Im a UK resident through and through. The only reason I'd move is for the cold weather or if the country turns into anarchy. There is no debate with you in regards to living here or Russia or anywhere tbh.

My concern is the governments we have or to be more accurate the people we have who run the country. They are ok with UK being destroyed economically and in a nuclear war. We are already in WW3, the only issue is we are not being hit directly by bombs and missiles because atm UK , Europe and US are being attacked via economic means. We live in a debt ridden society and a materialistic society, eventually they collapse in various ways.

Nato/US/UK history of attacks on other nations and their economic terroism is plenty proof this group is the biggest danger to the planet not Putin who has on many occasions wanted peace or even a partnership with those. He only wants indpendence and his people to be able to practice their faith and live with money in pockets. When a country is under threat and the leader is under serious threat they will curtail freedoms.

By the end of the year it will be clear what we have in store in future. You enjoy your life everyday with Mrs Robert and stay safe and always happy my friend.

While there are certainly rich people with shares in Vickers, British Aerospace, Rheinmetal, Raytheon etc. who are profiting from this conflict, nobody wants nuclear war because everyone will die. Even if they somehow survive, their money will mean nothing. Only strength will.

Then there are the disaster capitalists who have profited from economic chaos such as Brexit, setting up hedge funds as early as 2013. Brexit was planned by these rich people for a long time in advance.

They are not our friends.

Similarly Putin does not care about ordinary Russian folk, else he wouldn’t have robbed them blind, rigged their elections and murdered any dissenting voices. He’s a gangster capitalist. Al Capone with nukes.

But at least we can change our leaders every five years. The Russians cannot.

You and your family stay safe too. I’ve got dual citizenship now so I can bail out if UK turns bad, but I think we will have better government in two years. So let’s hang on.

 

[Robert]

Correct.

Yankees instigate conflicts all over the world. The so-called military industrial complex.

Russia is a saint compared to what America has done worldwide.

Which nation is the Canadian Air Force geared up to defend against?

The one to the south?

Or the one over the North Pole?

 

[daytrader]

Zelensky's government launches anti-corruption drive

It's been a political reshuffle with a difference.

At the time of typing this, 11 officials have either resigned or been sacked as Kyiv tries to tackle government corruption.

It's led to some politicians in the US calling for aid to Ukraine to be restricted.

President Volodymyr Zelensky is trying to quickly restore public faith, but the allegations are serious, and the timing is bad.

Several claims have surfaced thanks to Mykhaylo Tkach, an investigative journalist for the news website Ukrayinska Pravda.

He has recently reported that the company of a senior official's personal trainer allegedly received millions of pounds since the full-scale invasion, as well as a story about President Zelensky's deputy head of office.

Kyrylo Tymoshenko quit two months after Tkach reported that he'd moved his family to the mansion of a well-known property developer.

The journalist also published footage which appeared to show the official driving an expensive Porsche for a few months.

Mr Tymoshenko has denied doing anything wrong.

"Quite often, with MPs and officials, if the source of their money isn't clear, they register assets to people close to them," explains Tkach.

...
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64401190

 

[sweep_shot]

Which nation is the Canadian Air Force geared up to defend against?

The one to the south?

Or the one over the North Pole?

Why are you bringing Canada here? Stick to Yankees and their evil actions worldwide. Check how many countries they have interfered in and destabilized. Neither Russia nor China have done a fraction of it.

America keeps on complaining how Russia interfered in their election (allegedly) but what about them? Do they not interfere also?

 

[Technics 1210]

Why are you ignoring Iraq, Syria, Libya, Pakistan, Afghanistan etc.?

Do brown lives not matter? How many people were killed by American missiles/drones in those countries?

How many countries did USA interfere in and destabilize? Please check.

Brown lives do not matter. The only lives that matter to the West (NATO) and its apologists, are White and Jewish lives. This is a fact.

This is why NATO along with Liberals epitomise racism and facism, but shed blood by claiming the ME/Russia are attacking NATO members, but Ukraine is not a NATO member, let alone an EU member, and no ME nation attacked NATO members.

 

[Technics 1210]

Yup.

For some, world revolves around white people and Europe only.

You only have to pick up a history book to realise that Europeans are the biggest warmongers in humanity.

World War 1 and World War 2 sum it up perfectly. These wars started in Europe.

Europe does not understand peace, it only understands Racism, Fascism, Depression, and War. Amreeka is just pulling the strings now and frankly pouring the fuel on a fire which started in Europe, which is why the NATO/Liberal apologists see Amreeka as the Knight in shining armour because Europe always needed a saviour; be it Islam, or NATO.

This Ukraine war could have ended last year, would not have started in the first place had it not been for NATO goading Russia, but as we have seen in this thread and online, NATO/liberal apologists are not even pushing for peace, they want to wage war because this is what Europe excels at.

 

[sweep_shot]

You only have to pick up a history book to realise that Europeans are the biggest warmongers in humanity.

World War 1 and World War 2 sum it up perfectly. These wars started in Europe.

Europe does not understand peace, it only understands Racism, Fascism, Depression, and War. Amreeka is just pulling the strings now and frankly pouring the fuel on a fire which started in Europe, which is why the NATO/Liberal apologists see Amreeka as the Knight in shining armour because Europe always needed a saviour; be it Islam, or NATO.

This Ukraine war could have ended last year, would not have started in the first place had it not been for NATO goading Russia, but as we have seen in this thread and online, NATO/liberal apologists are not even pushing for peace, they want to wage war because this is what Europe excels at.

Indeed. Very good post.

As per Yankees and their sidekicks, world is only about them. Other narratives don't matter.

Good news is not everyone thinks like this in west. There are many sensible people too.

 

[MenInG]

Canada is not the topic of this thread.

Stick to the topic.

 

[the Great Khan]

Indeed. Very good post.

As per Yankees and their sidekicks, world is only about them. Other narratives don't matter.

Good news is not everyone thinks like this in west. There are many sensible people too.

Look ultimately I see this as a battle between the mafia families. We have one big family the putins vs the other families lead by don Biden. The Ukrainians are just small time hoodlums who's neighbourhood is being used for their war

 

[sweep_shot]

Look ultimately I see this as a battle between the mafia families. We have one big family the putins vs the other families lead by don Biden. The Ukrainians are just small time hoodlums who's neighbourhood is being used for their war

It is a proxy war. Yup. It has been like that even before this conflict started.

 

[Reddy]

27th January Briefing, Russian Ministry of defence:

️Yesterday’s Russian strikes successfully hit energy facilities, damaging military-industrial complex and transport system of Ukraine.

️Russian troops kill 80 Ukrainian soldiers during successful offensive operations in Donetsk Republic (DPR), Russia and shoot down enemy Su-25 jet in Ugledar, DPR.

️Russian military disrupts work of production facilities for repair and restoration of Ukrainian military equipment and destroy 2 US-made radars in South Donetsk and Zaporozhye, Russia (ex-Ukraine).

️Russian forces stop transportation of NATO weapons and other ammunition to combat areas, destroying more than 30 Ukrainian personnel in Kupyansk, East Ukraine.

Source: https://eng.mil.ru/en/special_operation/news/more.htm?id=12452722@egNews

 

[KingKhanWC]

While there are certainly rich people with shares in Vickers, British Aerospace, Rheinmetal, Raytheon etc. who are profiting from this conflict, nobody wants nuclear war because everyone will die. Even if they somehow survive, their money will mean nothing. Only strength will.

Then there are the disaster capitalists who have profited from economic chaos such as Brexit, setting up hedge funds as early as 2013. Brexit was planned by these rich people for a long time in advance.

They are not our friends.

Similarly Putin does not care about ordinary Russian folk, else he wouldn’t have robbed them blind, rigged their elections and murdered any dissenting voices. He’s a gangster capitalist. Al Capone with nukes.

But at least we can change our leaders every five years. The Russians cannot.

You and your family stay safe too. I’ve got dual citizenship now so I can bail out if UK turns bad, but I think we will have better government in two years. So let’s hang on.

Putin won the election by 50-60% max, rigged elections are closer to 80+%. There is corruption in Russia but there is not a nation on the planet where there isnt in poltics. Ive made this point many times, when Putin arrived, Russians were eating soup out of pots, now its a superpower again with Russians prospering more than ever.


With Biden they are actually laughing at the people. This man cant go to the toilet by himself, calls out dead people and sometimes has trouble even talking! No sane person would believe this man is acutally in charge of anything. Democracy now in the west is nothing but deception to fool the people. You have no power to choose who is the leader and it doesnt matter because the leaders do the bidding of their donors, elites, big corps and globaists. They dont care about you or I.

The main issue is again...

1. If Russia removed a pro-American Mexican leader, replaced him with their puppet , trained, financed and motivated Mexico to go to war with America, America would have destroyed Mexico, inc every child or elderly in sight. But if Russia has the same security concerns, they are the bad guys? lol

2. The West only talk of esclation never about peace. Why isnt the puppets and bufoons like Sunak and Biden not working hard for some sort of peace?

ITs clear who is at fault here and its clear who are the aggressors on the planet in the last 20 years. No nation in history comes close to the death and destruction Brits and Yanks have caused.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Look ultimately I see this as a battle between the mafia families. We have one big family the putins vs the other families lead by don Biden. The Ukrainians are just small time hoodlums who's neighbourhood is being used for their war

Its actually a USA/zionist plan to cause a war between Europe and Russia. Nothing do with Biden or Putin but Putin is hated because he Orthodox Christian and no sell out to his people.

 

[Robert]

Putin won the election by 50-60% max, rigged elections are closer to 80+%. There is corruption in Russia but there is not a nation on the planet where there isnt in poltics. Ive made this point many times, when Putin arrived, Russians were eating soup out of pots, now its a superpower again with Russians prospering more than ever.


With Biden they are actually laughing at the people. This man cant go to the toilet by himself, calls out dead people and sometimes has trouble even talking! No sane person would believe this man is acutally in charge of anything. Democracy now in the west is nothing but deception to fool the people. You have no power to choose who is the leader and it doesnt matter because the leaders do the bidding of their donors, elites, big corps and globaists. They dont care about you or I.

The main issue is again...

1. If Russia removed a pro-American Mexican leader, replaced him with their puppet , trained, financed and motivated Mexico to go to war with America, America would have destroyed Mexico, inc every child or elderly in sight. But if Russia has the same security concerns, they are the bad guys? lol

2. The West only talk of esclation never about peace. Why isnt the puppets and bufoons like Sunak and Biden not working hard for some sort of peace?

ITs clear who is at fault here and it’s fact clear who are the aggressors on the planet in the last 20 years. No nation in history comes close to the death and destruction Brits and Yanks have caused.

In fact Putin “won” the 2018 “election” by 78%, putting opposition candidates under house arrest, and enjoying the vote of every single Chechen somehow voting for him.

We still have free and fair elections UK, though Johnson attempted to hamstring the Electoral Commission. If that happened I would say UK was a failed state. You don’t see the PM put the LOTO under house arrest. Yet.

No idea what your Mexico point means. Ukraine never invaded Russia. At worst, they lashed out at the Putin-backed separatists in Donbas.

(Actually I would say the worst killer states were Conquistador Spain, who all but eradicated the population of South America, Soviet Russia who murdered more Soviet people than Hitler, and Red China who starved to death 25 million Chinese in a few years. UK presided over several famines in the Subcontinent, Iran and Ireland, but not as fast as Russia and China.)

I’ve already explained why NATO states will not call for peace, until Russia leaves Donbas and Crimea.

 

[sweep_shot]

The main issue is again...

1. If Russia removed a pro-American Mexican leader, replaced him with their puppet , trained, financed and motivated Mexico to go to war with America, America would have destroyed Mexico, inc every child or elderly in sight. But if Russia has the same security concerns, they are the bad guys? lol

2. The West only talk of esclation never about peace. Why isnt the puppets and bufoons like Sunak and Biden not working hard for some sort of peace?

ITs clear who is at fault here and its clear who are the aggressors on the planet in the last 20 years. No nation in history comes close to the death and destruction Brits and Yanks have caused.

Yup. Good point.

According to some, if America invades and interferes in a country, it is good. But, if Russia does the same, it is bad.

I hope Russia will vaporize all those tanks and other equipment Yankees sent to Ukraine.

 

[Robert]

Its actually a USA/zionist plan to cause a war between Europe and Russia. Nothing do with Biden or Putin but Putin is hated because he Orthodox Christian and no sell out to his people.

You think everything is due to Zionism. This isn’t the Middle East.

I think Putin is one of these dictators who uses religion in a populist way - the opium of the masses, to quote Lenin. Like Mussolini. Like Trump holding up that big Bible.

If Putin was for his people, he wouldn’t have robbed them blind of their nationalised oil. He’s richer than any American oil man ever was.

 

[Technics 1210]

Its actually a USA/zionist plan to cause a war between Europe and Russia. Nothing do with Biden or Putin but Putin is hated because he Orthodox Christian and no sell out to his people.

Nailed it. Zionists at it again, and again, playing Europe. When will Europe learn? Why was Trump stitched up? Because he wanted to seek peace with Russia, and peace means, no more Zionist influence in the region.

Zionists are fully aware of the Iran/Russia connection and are looking for an excuse to attack Iran.

Speaking of Zionists and Europe, a recent survey was conducted in Netherlands where 25% of those polled believed the Holocaust was a hoax/exaggerated. So in some ways the Zionists stranglehold in Europe is diminishing, but there's a long way to go before Europe breaks from the spell that is ZMSM.

 

[Reddy]

27th January Briefing, Russian Ministry of defence:

️US-supplied M777 howitzer destroyed near Kupyansk, Kharkov region, East Ukraine.

️Russian forces kill over 80 Ukrainian servicemen in Donetsk Republic, West Russia (ex-Ukraine) pushing forward to more advantageous positions.

️Russian forces shoot down Ukrainian MiG-29 fighter jet over Donetsk Republic.

https://eng.mil.ru/en/special_operation/news/more.htm?id=12452821@egNews

 

[Reddy]

Units of Wagner Private Company have taken control of Blagodatnoye, North of Artyomovsk-Bakhmut, Donetsk Republic - Wagner Chief Prigozhin.

 

[mazkhan]

This prigozhin is the next russian leader , putin should be worried.

Only wagner and chehcens and the buryats have been fighting valiantly in ukraine.

The rest of the Russian military is just a total shambles .