The Russian invasion of Ukraine

[bones]

I see general Armageddon has been sacked .. all going to plan then.

Russia hasn't taken soledar

Quite normal in Soviet/Russia military for a change in command. It happened during WW2. Read up on it.

As for Soledar it isn't completely taken and won't be for weeks because the Ukranians under the instructions of NATO have mined every square foot. Every closet in every room in every building could be a trap.

That's part of what it's takeing long.

I will repeat the war is over, Russia won in March. We reached the Kursk moment then. What's happening right now is the slow dismantling of Ukraine's army and NATO's weapon reserves.

The war is almost like a team having to chase 350 but being 200-9. Ukraine being the chasers.

 

[bones]

Four weeks then maybe.

This the real world not call of duty. Any proper war between two near peer forces would never end. It would be attrition until one side is unable to sustain the losses.

 

[cpleigh]

Dozens fire less than 2 weeks ago. They fired many a couple of weeks before that too. In fact they've been firing regularly and in the order of 50-150 missiles a pop for several months. Why not admit you were wrong, MSM was wrong - the Russians will not be running out of missiles anytime soon.

So they haven't fired missiles en masse for over 2 weeks now?

 

[cpleigh]

Quite normal in Soviet/Russia military for a change in command. It happened during WW2. Read up on it.

As for Soledar it isn't completely taken and won't be for weeks because the Ukranians under the instructions of NATO have mined every square foot. Every closet in every room in every building could be a trap.

That's part of what it's takeing long.

I will repeat the war is over, Russia won in March. We reached the Kursk moment then. What's happening right now is the slow dismantling of Ukraine's army and NATO's weapon reserves.

The war is almost like a team having to chase 350 but being 200-9. Ukraine being the chasers.

you're a little mental... Ukraine is also on the verge of taking Kremina now

 

[bones]

So they haven't fired missiles en masse for over 2 weeks now?

Oh right - so they've run out now? What happens when they launch another wave of 100 missiles? Are you still going to carry on like MSM that they Russians have run out.

First they told us Russia could only sustain the attacks for 2 weeks, then it was they'll run out on March 23rd (BBC), then it was the Russians are using then final stocks in May/June. Then it was the Russians would run out in July, then August, then in October when a huge barrage was launched MSM finally dropped the line Russia are running out to they're getting them from other countries.

I shared multiple times an article written by RUSI (a British organisation) that explained that Russia isn't going to run out of missiles anytime soon.

But experts like you would lead us to believe otherwise.

 

[bones]

Ukraine is also on the verge of taking Kremina now

They were on the verge in October too.

The war isn't about territory - like MSM you haven't bothered to understand territory can be recaptured but dead soldiers can't be replaced.

Even if the Ukranians take it - so what? Their army is being decimated and you can now see videos popping up on social media of the very young inexperienced boys sent as fodder.

All of this is happening and the vast majority of the Russian mobilised forces are still not in the field.

 

[bones]

Apparently Ukraine are winning. Even CNN can't cover the truth even if they're trying their darn hardest too.

Ukranian soldier: "In Soledar, no one counts the dead"

He also says: "“Everyone understands that the city will be abandoned. Everyone understands this,” he said. “I just want to understand what the point [in fighting house to house] is. Why die, if we are going to leave it anyway today or tomorrow?”"

So basically Ukranian soldiers on the ground are admitting they have lost and are just being sent as cannon fodder.
CNN write: "The Ukrainians have lost many troops in Soledar but the ranks are being replenished".

Question is, how does replenishing a trained soldier with an untrained-inexperienced boy change the dynamic?


https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-1-10-23/index.html

 

[SalimBhai]

This is not an Israel-Palestine thread. Let's not derail.

Israel-Palestine issue is a different issue. Not similar to Russia-Ukraine.

According to your logic, if one party is too weak, it should surrender . They would be fools to keep fighting. As you said a thin line between bravery and stupidity. I am quoting you here . So that being said why should Palestinians not surrender as they are too weak to fight Israel also. How is that different? Would love your input.

 

[cpleigh]

Some region of Russia has just announced its independence from Russia

Lol

 

[cpleigh]

Inghusteia

 

[KingKhanWC]

Ingushetia is mostly Muslims. It borders Georgia, so has seen some opposition but now the Nazis are in control of Ukraine, this seems to be fake news.

 

[bones]

Russian defence update .

Today we destroyed 4 Bradley's.

Ha ha... The yanks haven't delivered any yet

and this guy has the nerve to call others names. The equipment isn’t sent after public announcements - it doesn’t work like that. In the same way the uk was training AFU troops long before anyone announced or reported it publicly.

 

[cpleigh]

and this guy has the nerve to call others names. The equipment isn’t sent after public announcements - it doesn’t work like that. In the same way the uk was training AFU troops long before anyone announced or reported it publicly.

Keep believing the Kremlin lies... After all they've destroyed about 50 HIMAR systems too.

No Bradley's have gone to Ukraine yet

 

[MenInG]

Any information posted on this thread as "facts" should have a good source attached to it or else we delete.

 

[Pakpak]

Any information posted on this thread as "facts" should have a good source attached to it or else we delete.

Well said.

 

[Reddy]

12th Jan Briefing, Russian Ministry of defence:


️Russian Federation (RF) Armed Forces destroyed up to 30 Ukrainian soldiers in the Yuzhno-Donets, Donetsk Republic (DPR, ex-Ukraine);

️RF Armed Forces destroyed five sabotage and reconnaissance groups of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) in Kupyansk, DPR;

️RF destroyed up to 70 military units of the AFU with air strikes in Donetsk, DPR;

️AFU losses in Kupyansk amount to more than 30 people;

️RF destroyed more than 100 Ukrainian soldiers in Krasnoliman, DPR;

️RF destroyed two US-made M777 and M109 "Paladin" artillery systems in the DPR;

️Russian Aerospace Forces shot down a Ukrainian Su-25 aircraft in DPR.


Source: https://eng.mil.ru/en/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12451216@egNews

 

[MenInG]

Russia's military says it has captured the Ukrainian salt-mine town Soledar after a long battle, calling it an "important" step for its offensive.

The victory would allow Russian troops to push on to the nearby city of Bakhmut, and cut off the Ukrainian forces there, a spokesman said.

This was a very confident and ambitious statement from Moscow.

But Ukrainian officials said the fight for Soledar was still going on and accused Russia of "information noise".

The battle for Soledar has been one of the bloodiest of the war.

The town is relatively small, with a pre-war population of just 10,000, and its strategic significance is debatable. But if it is confirmed that Russian forces have seized control of it, then there will likely be a big sigh of relief in the Kremlin.

BBC

 

[the Great Khan]

I think it's safe to say Soledar has fallen.

It is also important to continue to point out that Russian mercenaries have taken the town. These are highly expendable troops and are different to regular or Russian special forces..

The same is for the chechens who are also expendable but tough sobs...the bulk of the Russian force that has been amassed has not engaged which has always been a massive tactical error in my opinion.

The ukrops are losing regular troops to irregulars. Its the worst possible situation if you are a tactical commander. Imagine the regular Indian army being decimated by the FC and the tribals before the proper pak army has even fully engaged..

 

[sweep_shot]

️RF destroyed two US-made M777 and M109 "Paladin" artillery systems in the DPR;

Good. I like this. We need more news like this.

Make it costly for them (America). They have ruined far too many countries in the past and still continue to do so.

 

[SalimBhai]

You never got back to us why it’s different for israel Palestine conflict vs Russia vs Ukraine.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Well said.

BBC, CNN claim to be good sources but I have never seen(from them) so much lies and made up stories by any media since the Iraq war.

Western media still believes Ukraine is winning and its readers too.

Next week or two Russia will send in the troops to hopefully wipe out these Nazis once and for all.

 

[the Great Khan]

BBC, CNN claim to be good sources but I have never seen(from them) so much lies and made up stories by any media since the Iraq war.

Western media still believes Ukraine is winning and its readers too.

Next week or two Russia will send in the troops to hopefully wipe out these Nazis once and for all.

Bro I worked at the bbc for 3 years. Yes i wasn't a journalist but I did experience the overall culture of the place. And I will just say this. Its toxic for black and Asians. I saw staff in tears. One lady in particular was beyond angry. I also recruited and saw the problems in the way they recruit. Finally i sat with some senior managers etc and all I'll say is that their attitudes stank..

And my dept was relatively diverse. The stories i heard about other areas were just messed up..

 

[Pakpak]

BBC, CNN claim to be good sources but I have never seen(from them) so much lies and made up stories by any media since the Iraq war.

Western media still believes Ukraine is winning and its readers too.

Next week or two Russia will send in the troops to hopefully wipe out these Nazis once and for all.

BBC are terrible sources, for anything really.

I think the point was from one over the top claim from leigh to then bones back and forth some links would be useful

 

[KingKhanWC]

Bro I worked at the bbc for 3 years. Yes i wasn't a journalist but I did experience the overall culture of the place. And I will just say this. Its toxic for black and Asians. I saw staff in tears. One lady in particular was beyond angry. I also recruited and saw the problems in the way they recruit. Finally i sat with some senior managers etc and all I'll say is that their attitudes stank..

And my dept was relatively diverse. The stories i heard about other areas were just messed up..

Do you think things have changed since you left? Now we see the BBC so woke, there must be female or black person pundit at every live football game? Or is this just a modern disguise, when the BBC is this racism issue in its genetics?

The Russia Ukraine war reporting is akin to Hitlers Nazi propaganda. I would put money on not a single article is accurate.

BBC are terrible sources, for anything really.

I think the point was from one over the top claim from leigh to then bones back and forth some links would be useful

Its a very difficult war to determine. Have you noticed there is hardly any mainstream footage? When US/UK invaded Iraq in 2003, they were happy showing 'shock & awe' even glorying it with glee.

 

[Reddy]

13th Jan Briefing, Russian Ministry of defence:

️Russian Federation (RF) Armed Forces defeated the forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) in Krasnoliman, Donetsk Republic

️RF Armed Forces destroyed a 2S1 Gvozdika "Carnation" self-propelled howitzer and three 2S3 Akatsia "Acacia" howitzers in the Zaporozhye region,

️AFU losses Krasnoliman amounted to more than 40 military personnel and 7 vehicles;

️Russian Aerospace Forces destroyed three airplanes and a helicopter of the AFU in the liberation of Soledar, DPR;

️Marine units of the Baltic Fleet destroyed more than 20 military of the AFU in Yuzhno-Donets, DPR;

️Over the past three days, more than 700 Ukrainian servicemen and over 300 units of weapons of the AFU have been destroyed in the Soledar area;

️RF Armed Forces hit 117 AFU artillery units;

️AFU losses of the Kupyansk, DPR direction amounted to 20 military personnel and 6 vehicles.


Source: https://eng.mil.ru/en/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12451318@egNews

 

[bones]

You never got back to us why it’s different for israel Palestine conflict vs Russia vs Ukraine.

Mods specifically said only discuss russ Vs Ukraine and again you raise a question which was removed earlier. Look at MIG’s post above.

 

[bones]

The situation with the Ukrainians according to alternative media is really desperate in and around Bakhmut and Soledar. Some brigades are down to 30% and have been reconstituted. The morale is very low. They will fight on because deserters are being hunted down and executed by SBU and other officers. But most soldiers quietly admit that they know the outcome.

 

[bones]

Saw this on another forum. Russian TOS1 system being used against Ukrainian fortified positions. It is frankly one of those things that we not have invented.

 

[the Great Khan]

Do you think things have changed since you left? Now we see the BBC so woke, there must be female or black person pundit at every live football game? Or is this just a modern disguise, when the BBC is this racism issue in its genetics?

The Russia Ukraine war reporting is akin to Hitlers Nazi propaganda. I would put money on not a single article is accurate.



Its a very difficult war to determine. Have you noticed there is hardly any mainstream footage? When US/UK invaded Iraq in 2003, they were happy showing 'shock & awe' even glorying it with glee.

No. All this thing you call woke is something decided by white editors and white managers. Its all a disguise. Just search variety and bbc race in Google and you'll know what jm talking about. The institution has a race problem that can never be solved until theirnis root and branch reform.

Its actually very very weird. Some of the managers come across as anti racist. They'll promote black staff etc but then you see how they behave if you pit your head up above the parapit. Its a total mind ef.

 

[MenInG]

Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has confirmed the UK will provide Challenger 2 tanks to Ukraine during a call with President Volodymyr Zelensky, No 10 says.

 

[bones]

So they haven't fired missiles en masse for over 2 weeks now?

Air raid sirens all over Ukraine according to Ukrainian social media. Dozens of missiles launched all over from at least 12 high altitude bombers.

Are you still going to tell us they are out of missiles?

 

[the Great Khan]

Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has confirmed the UK will provide Challenger 2 tanks to Ukraine during a call with President Volodymyr Zelensky, No 10 says.

Seems a pressure tactic to force Germany to provide leopard tanks. 10 challengers won't really make much difference but can aid in urban defence. Like I said above time is running out for the ukrops...

 

[Reddy]

14th Jan Briefing, Russian Ministry of defence:

️2 Ukrainian sabotage and reconnaissance groups ELIMINATED in Kharkov, East Ukraine, and 2 in Donetsk Republic

️More than 30 Ukrainian soldiers ELIMINATED in Kupyansk, , Kharkov, East Ukraine.

️ More than 100 Ukrainian soldiers ELIMINATED in Donetsk Republic.

️ Russian air defenses destroyed 4 Ukrainian drones, intercepted 7 US-supplied HIMARS multiple rocket launcher systems, and Alder MLRS shells.

️ 2 Ukrainian ammunition depots destroyed in the DPR and Zaporozhye regions

️US-made M-777 howitzers, AN/TPQ-36 and AN/TPQ-50 counter-battery stations destroyed in Kharkov, East Ukraine.

Source: https://eng.mil.ru/en/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12451438@egNews

 

[Reddy]

Massive Massive missile attacks in Ukraine today !!

 

[Reddy]

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Hits on critical infrastructure facilities were confirmed in several regions at once, DTEK announced damage to two thermal power plants, without specifying which ones, and the Minister of Energy of Ukraine said that objects were hit in six regions at once, including the part of the Zaporozhye region controlled by Kyiv. Emergency shutdowns have been introduced in many cities, and there are also problems with water supply.

Currently, critical infrastructure damage has been confirmed in:

– Kyiv (TPP)
— Kharkov
— Dnepropetrovsk (TPP)
— Odessa
— Vinnitsa
— Ivano-Frankivsk
— Lviv

️Emergency shutdowns in:

— Kharkov
— Dnepropetrovsk
— Kyiv
— Zaporozhye
— Vinnitsa
— Zhytomyr
— Ivano-Frankivsk
— Lviv

Problems with water supply in:

— Kharkov
— Lviv

Source: Slavyangrad

 

[bones]

Massive Massive missile attacks in Ukraine today !!

Impossible, according to MSM and cpleigh the Russians ran out in July.

 

[the Great Khan]

Impossible, according to MSM and cpleigh the Russians ran out in July.

The only army out of weapons are the Ukrainians. Hence why they need 350 tanks and 500 ifv.

 

[bones]

The only army out of weapons are the Ukrainians. Hence why they need 350 tanks and 500 ifv.

I know. I was being sarcastic.

 

[daytrader]

NATO chief hints at more heavy weapons deliveries to Ukraine
Jens Stoltenberg says he expects more weapons deliveries to war-torn Ukraine after UK pledges Challenger 2 tanks.

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg has hailed recent pledges of heavy weapons deliveries from Western allies to Ukraine, saying he expected more “in the near future”.

The head of the transatlantic military alliance made the comments on Sunday, a day after a wave of Russian attacks across Ukraine again targeted critical infrastructure and left at least 30 people dead after a residential building was hit in the east-central city of Dnipro.

“The recent pledges for heavy warfare equipment are important — and I expect more in the near future,” Stoltenberg told Germany’s Handelsblatt daily ahead of a meeting on Friday of defence officials from the bloc meant to coordinate arms transfers to Kyiv. What NATO refers to as the Ukraine Defense Contact Group is set to hold its third meeting at the US Ramstein Air Base in the German state of Rhineland-Palatinate on Friday.

Asked whether Germany must also move to provide heavier weapons to Ukraine, Stoltenberg said: “We are in a decisive phase of the war. We are experiencing fierce fighting. Therefore, it is important that we provide Ukraine with the weapons it needs to win — and to continue as an independent nation.”

...
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/1/15/nato-chief-expects-more-heavy-weapons-deliveries-to-ukraine

 

[cpleigh]

Massive Massive missile attacks in Ukraine today !!

oh how very exciting...

Not for the innocent civilians killed when they hit an apartment block

 

[Reddy]

oh how very exciting...

Not for the innocent civilians killed when they hit an apartment block

Apartment block was hit by Ukrainian Air defence, Ukrainian forces are adept in killing Ukrainians under their area of control as well as Russian regions.

Ukrainians have shelled a Shopping centre in Donetsk today, multiple dead, shopkeepers and customers bodies are still being pulled out from rubble.

 

[bones]

oh how very exciting...

Not for the innocent civilians killed when they hit an apartment block

Are you ready to admit you were wrong? The Russians haven't and will not run out of missiles anytime soon.

 

[MenInG]

Russia has warned that any Challenger 2 tanks that Britain sends to Ukraine to help the war effort “will burn”.

British prime minister Rishi Sunak confirmed the UK will provide Challenger 2 tanks to Ukraine during a call with Volodymyr Zelensky over the weekend.

Responding on Monday, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said new arms supplies from countries like Britain and Poland would not change the situation on the ground.

“They are using this country as a tool to achieve their anti-Russian goals,” he added. “These tanks are burning and will burn just like the rest.”

Meanwhile, Russia and Belarus began joint air force drills today, amid fears that Moscow could use its ally to launch a new ground offensive in Ukraine.

Belarus said the drills were defensive in nature but Ukraine has recently warned of possible attacks from its northern neighbour.

Key Points
British Challenger tanks sent to war ‘will burn’ - Kremlin
Ukraine likely maintaining positions in Soledar, northern Bakhmut - MoD
Death toll from Dnipro apartment building rises to 35
Expanded US training for Ukraine forces begins in Germany
‘Battle continues’ in Soledar, says Ukraine
Russia and Belarus military drills starting today stoke fears in Ukraine

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/worl...sedgntp&cvid=3a039f59a09841258a15df5def8cf5cb

 

[Reddy]

Today's Briefing, Russian Ministry of defence:

Russian army DESTROYS over 185 Ukrainian soldiers in total in the Donetsk region as well as 9 armoured vehicles in a day in the Krasny Liman direction of the region.

Russian Army hits Ukrainian army in the DPR as well as hangar with military equipment in Zaporozhye.

Source: https://eng.mil.ru/en/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12451592@egNews

 

[KingKhanWC]

No. All this thing you call woke is something decided by white editors and white managers. Its all a disguise. Just search variety and bbc race in Google and you'll know what jm talking about. The institution has a race problem that can never be solved until theirnis root and branch reform.

Its actually very very weird. Some of the managers come across as anti racist. They'll promote black staff etc but then you see how they behave if you pit your head up above the parapit. Its a total mind ef.

It the same in many organisations now in the UK. HR are too scared so fall in line with the Woke but as you say the underlying racial issues remain.

Im sure there are many in the BBC who like many Brits think this war is not going well but cant say it.

 

[Firebat]

Mykhailo Mudryk: Shakhtar Donetsk pledge £22m to Ukraine war effort after Chelsea transfer

Shakhtar Donetsk president Rinat Akhmetov has pledged to donate £22m to the Ukrainian war effort following the transfer of Mykhailo Mudryk to Chelsea.

The Premier League side signed Mudryk from Shakhtar on Sunday in a deal worth up to £89m, a transfer record for Ukrainian football.

Akhmetov said the money would help a project named 'Heart of Azovstal,' aimed at "helping Mariupol defenders and the families of fallen soldiers".

Ukraine was invaded by Russia in 2022.

"I want to thank the entire civilised world for helping Ukraine," said Akhmetov.

"Today we are able to talk about Ukrainian football thanks to the Ukrainian army, the Ukrainian people, and the tremendous support of the entire civilised world."

Akhmetov said he had "mixed feelings" about Mudryk, 22, leaving Shakhtar for Chelsea.

"I have never made it a secret that my dream is to win European trophies," he said.

"This means that players like Mudryk should be invited to our club, to our Ukrainian championship, and we should win European trophies with such players.

"Unfortunately, it is impossible now, as Ukraine is fighting the horrendous and unjust war waged against us by the Russian Federation."

The Shakhtar president said money from Mudryk's transfer fee would go towards providing medical and prosthetic treatment, psychological support and meeting specific requests in order to help Mariupol defenders and the families of fallen soldiers.

"Their acts of bravery are unparalleled in the modern history," Akhmetov said.

He also said Shakhtar would play a friendly against Chelsea at Donbass Arena in Ukraine.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64288859

 

[KingKhanWC]

^ No friendly will be played in Donbass Arena lol.

Chelsea steal another signing from rival clubs.

 

[daytrader]

Europe awakens to the threat of sabotage by Russian agents
Attacks on critical infrastructure from France to Denmark bear the hallmark of Russian operatives, experts say.

Suspicion has fallen on Russia over a series of confirmed or apparent acts of sabotage and espionage that took place late last year in Western Europe, experts say, with European countries increasingly taking measures in response.

The acts came after two events that hurt Russian interests. In September, explosions in the Baltic Sea put Russia’s Nord Stream gas pipelines to Germany out of use. The Kremlin blamed the sabotage on the United Kingdom, without evidence. Ukraine and Poland blamed Russia but also provided no evidence.

Then, on October 7, the Kerch Strait Bridge was bombed, interrupting Moscow’s ability to supply Russian-annexed Crimea, an attack Russia blamed on Ukraine’s military intelligence.

It may have been a coincidence, but the day after the Kerch bridge bombing, trains across northern Germany ground to a halt after cables that enabled train drivers to communicate were sabotaged.

“It is clear that this was a targeted and malicious action,” minister for transport Volker Wissing told a news conference, without identifying who might be responsible.

Two days later, the Danish island of Bornholm was plunged into darkness after the undersea cable that supplies it with electricity from Sweden was severed.

...
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/1/17/europe-awakens-to-the-threat-of-sabotage-by-russian-agents

 

[kamz]

Europe awakens to the threat of sabotage by Russian agents
Attacks on critical infrastructure from France to Denmark bear the hallmark of Russian operatives, experts say.

Suspicion has fallen on Russia over a series of confirmed or apparent acts of sabotage and espionage that took place late last year in Western Europe, experts say, with European countries increasingly taking measures in response.

The acts came after two events that hurt Russian interests. In September, explosions in the Baltic Sea put Russia’s Nord Stream gas pipelines to Germany out of use. The Kremlin blamed the sabotage on the United Kingdom, without evidence. Ukraine and Poland blamed Russia but also provided no evidence.

Then, on October 7, the Kerch Strait Bridge was bombed, interrupting Moscow’s ability to supply Russian-annexed Crimea, an attack Russia blamed on Ukraine’s military intelligence.

It may have been a coincidence, but the day after the Kerch bridge bombing, trains across northern Germany ground to a halt after cables that enabled train drivers to communicate were sabotaged.

“It is clear that this was a targeted and malicious action,” minister for transport Volker Wissing told a news conference, without identifying who might be responsible.

Two days later, the Danish island of Bornholm was plunged into darkness after the undersea cable that supplies it with electricity from Sweden was severed.

...
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/1/17/europe-awakens-to-the-threat-of-sabotage-by-russian-agents

seems like someone is hell bent for the EU to enter the war. Who benefits and loses if that happens? and what's your rationale behind your theories? Keen to hear thoughts

 

[Technics 1210]

I think the anniversary of Russia's missile depletion is upon us soon! )

 

[cpleigh]

Are you ready to admit you were wrong? The Russians haven't and will not run out of missiles anytime soon.

well... they've certainly run out of accurate missiles. Unless you think they targeted the apartment block?

 

[Reddy]

17th January Briefing, Russian Ministry of defence:

️ Russian forces continue offensive in Donetsk Republic ELIMINATING more than 170 Ukrainian soldiers, and 2 sabotage and reconnaissance groups.

️Russian Armed Forces destroyed Krab, M109 Paladin, Grad MLRS howitzers, a warehouse of rocket and artillery weapons and a sabotage and reconnaissance group in Kharkov, East Ukraine, more than 50 Ukrainian soldiers eliminated.

️ Russian air defense systems intercepted 14 US-made HIMARS HIMARS multiple launch rocket systems and Alder MLRS shells during the day, shot down Tochka-U and HARM missiles.

Source: https://eng.mil.ru/en/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12451679@egNews

 

[Reddy]

Fascist Ukrainians have forced the Presidential adviser to resign after he revealed the truth that Ukrainian missile hit the apartment block !!

https://www.novinite.com/articles/2...e+for+the+Hit+Building+in+Dnipro+has+Resigned

 

[KingKhanWC]

seems like someone is hell bent for the EU to enter the war. Who benefits and loses if that happens? and what's your rationale behind your theories? Keen to hear thoughts

USA . Remember Blinken stated after the Nord Stream attack, this is a great opportunity for USA.

Finally Russia, China and others are going to end the empire of the USA. The world will be a safer place for all.

 

[the Great Khan]

well... they've certainly run out of accurate missiles. Unless you think they targeted the apartment block?

Seriously you need to go and read and understand what is going on here.

Bakhmut is gonna fall. That's the second defence line gone.
The third line is the weakest and once that goes its a clear path to dnipro..and then there are 650k troops amassed at the border.

Time is running out. Yet you come on here and spout this nonsense.

 

[daytrader]

Ukrainian adviser quits after claims over Russian missile that killed dozens
Oleksiy Arestovych said rocket that hit Dnipro building detonated after being downed by Ukraine forces

A Ukrainian presidential adviser has resigned after causing widespread anger when he suggested a Russian missile that killed dozens had been shot down by Ukraine.

45 people were killed in the south-central city of Dnipro when a Russian X-22 anti-ship ballistic missile hit an apartment block on Saturday. Rescuers called off the search on Tuesday with 20 people still missing.

In comments to a YouTube channel , hours after the attack, Oleksiy Arestovych said the rocket had detonated after it had been downed by Ukrainian air defence forces.

“The rocket was shot down, it fell on the driveway, it exploded when it fell,” he told Feigin Live.

Hundreds of Ukrainian members of civil society and several prominent figures took to social media in the days afterwards, demanding the presidential administration sack Arestovych for making unverified statements. They said the comments aided Russian propaganda, which frequently portrays attacks as the fault of Ukraine’s armed forces.

In a statement, which did not address the remarks directly, Ukraine’s air defence forces said they did not currently have the technological capabilities to detect or shoot down ballistic missiles.

...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...laims-over-russian-missile-that-killed-dozens

 

[daytrader]

Ukrainian interior minister killed in helicopter crash

• Sixteen people, including Ukraine’s interior minister and two children, were killed when a helicopter crashed near a nursery outside the capital Kyiv, the head of national police, Igor Klymenko, said. Among the dead are several top officials of the interior ministry including Interior Minister Denys Monastyrsky.
• Emergency services are working to rescue children and employees after the crash near Brovary, Kyiv region.
• Ukraine is a step closer to winning approval for German-made modern battle tanks and has secured pledges of more Patriot defence missiles.
• Ukraine’s first lady Olena Zelenska urges delegates at the World Economic Forum in Davos to do more to help end the war. President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is expected to speak to the forum on Wednesday.

Aljazeera

 

[the Great Khan]

Ukrainian adviser quits after claims over Russian missile that killed dozens
Oleksiy Arestovych said rocket that hit Dnipro building detonated after being downed by Ukraine forces

A Ukrainian presidential adviser has resigned after causing widespread anger when he suggested a Russian missile that killed dozens had been shot down by Ukraine.

45 people were killed in the south-central city of Dnipro when a Russian X-22 anti-ship ballistic missile hit an apartment block on Saturday. Rescuers called off the search on Tuesday with 20 people still missing.

In comments to a YouTube channel , hours after the attack, Oleksiy Arestovych said the rocket had detonated after it had been downed by Ukrainian air defence forces.

“The rocket was shot down, it fell on the driveway, it exploded when it fell,” he told Feigin Live.

Hundreds of Ukrainian members of civil society and several prominent figures took to social media in the days afterwards, demanding the presidential administration sack Arestovych for making unverified statements. They said the comments aided Russian propaganda, which frequently portrays attacks as the fault of Ukraine’s armed forces.

In a statement, which did not address the remarks directly, Ukraine’s air defence forces said they did not currently have the technological capabilities to detect or shoot down ballistic missiles.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...laims-over-russian-missile-that-killed-dozens

This is quite poor from the Ukrainians. Seems any mildly differing views are being stamped down upon. They could have used this to positively spin it and say they shot down the missile thus proving their defence but putin is to blame for any death be it accidental or deliberate.

Also their interior minister just got killed. Could be an accident or a Russian strike on his helicopter..

 

[MenInG]

The three main figures in Ukraine's interior ministry have been killed in a helicopter crash beside a nursery in an eastern suburb of the capital Kyiv.

Interior Minister Denys Monastyrsky, 42, died alongside his first deputy minister and state secretary.

Seventeen people died when the helicopter came down in Brovary around 08:30 local time (06:30 GMT), including four children, authorities said.

There is no indication the crash was anything other than an accident.

But the SBU state security service said it was following several possible causes for the crash, which included sabotage as well as a technical malfunction or breach of flight rules.

Mr Monastyrsky, who was one of President Volodymyr Zelensky's longest serving political advisers, is the highest profile Ukrainian casualty since the war began.

The deputy head of Ukraine's presidential office, Kyrylo Tymoshenko, said the minister had been en route to a war "hot spot" when his helicopter went down. The head of police in the north-eastern city of Kharkiv, Volodymyr Tymoshko, said the ministerial team were on their way to meet him there and he had spoken to them only yesterday.

The minister's death cuts to the heart of the government in Kyiv as the interior ministry has the vital task of maintaining security and running the police during the war.

President Zelensky has spoken of a terrible tragedy that claimed the lives of "true patriots".

BBC

 

[Reddy]

️ Russian Defense Ministry confirms capture of Sol, Donetsk Republic

️ Russian forces detroy Ukrainian army ammo depot for US-supplied HIMARS and Grad (Hail) rocket launcher systems near Kramatorsk, Donetsk Republic, as well as 2 US-made radar systems in region.

️ 90 Ukrainian soldiers killed by Russian forces in Krasny Liman direction.

️ A Ukrainian Su-25 attack aircraft was shot down in the Yablonovka area.

️ In Kupyansk direction, Over 60 Ukrainian personnel, one armoured personnel carrier, two pickups, two motor vehicles, and one U.S.-manufactured M-777 artillery system have been eliminated.

source: https://eng.mil.ru/en/special_operation/news/more.htm?id=12451781@egNews

 

[daytrader]

Russia-Ukraine war at a glance: what we know on day 330 of the invasion
Nato chief calls for significant boost in arms for Ukraine; Germany avoids committing to supplying tanks unless US sends its own tanks, officials say

• Volodymyr Zelenskiy has stepped up calls for Ukraine’s army to be supplied with heavy tanks and urged “resolve and speed” of decision-making from western allies
• Nato countries are set to announce new “heavier weapons” for Ukraine,
• The European Union’s head also spoke in favour of the west providing tanks to Ukraine.
• Canada announced it would donate 200 armoured personnel carriers to Ukraine.
• Bulgaria helped Ukraine survive Russia’s early onslaught by secretly supplying it with large amounts of desperately needed diesel and ammunition, the politicians responsible have said.
• Poland’s president has warned that Russia could be planning a new offensive in the coming months, calling on countries to provide Ukraine with “weapons, weapons, weapons”.
• Volodymyr Zelenskiy has written a letter inviting the Chinese leader, Xi Jinping, for talks, which was handed to the Chinese delegation in Davos, said the Ukrainian leader’s wife, Olena Zelenska.
• Ukraine reported intense fighting overnight in the east of the country, where both sides have taken huge losses for little gain in intense trench warfare over the past two months.
• Vladimir Putin has said he has “no doubt” that Russia’s victory in Ukraine is “inevitable”.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...lance-what-we-know-on-day-330-of-the-invasion

 

[Reddy]

We can safely say that settlement of Kleshcheevka, one of the important suburbs of Artyomovsk-Bakhmut, Donetsk Republic, is completely under control of Wagner Private Military Company (PMC) - Head of Wagner PMC Prigozhin.

 

[Reddy]

19th January Briefing, Russian Ministry of defence:

️ Over 110 Ukrainian soldiers killed by Russian troops in Donetsk Republic

️ Ukrainian artillery ammo warehouse destroyed along with over 60 soldiers near Liman, Donetsk Republic.

️ 67 Ukrainian artillery pieces and military equipment destroyed across front lines.

️ Three French-manufactured Caesar self-propelled artillery systems, one U.S.-manufactured M-777 artillery system, one Gvozdika self-propelled artillery system, and two Akatsiya self-propelled artillery systems have been eliminated.

Source: https://eng.mil.ru/en/special_operation/news/more.htm?id=12451911@egNews

 

[daytrader]

Give us tanks, says Zelensky, as Western allies meet

Ukrainian President Volodymr Zelensky has made a direct appeal to Germany to provide tanks ahead of crunch talks involving dozens of Western allies at Ramstein air base in southern Germany.

The US and European nations have already promised Kyiv more equipment to fight Russia's invasion.

Berlin is under growing pressure to allow its Leopard 2 tanks to be sent.

"If you have Leopard [tanks], then give them to us," Mr Zelensky told German public TV.

"These leopards won't go through Russia. We're defending ourselves," he said, in remarks criticising the German government's hesitant attitude.

Defence officials from more than 50 countries are due to meet at Ramstein, a day after the US and several European nations pledged more equipment to help Ukraine fend off any further Russian offensives.

Almost 11 months after Russia launched its war against Ukraine, Nato military officials believe Moscow is planning a renewed spring offensive with troop numbers bolstered by a partial mobilisation since the end of September.

The UK also offered 14 of its battle tanks recently - but Kyiv wants more.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64341337

 

[the Great Khan]

Why do the ukrops need tanks. They had one of the largest tank forces in Europe before the war. What happened?

 

[Reddy]

20th January Briefing, Russian Ministry of defence:

️ Key town of Kleshcheevka, South of Artyomovsk-Bakhmut, confirmed to be under Russian control.

️ Russian forces take control of village of Lobkovoye, Zaporozhye region.

️ Russian air defenses shoot down Ukrainian Mi-8 helicopter, 5 drones and 6 rockets.

️ In Kupyansk direction, Up to 30 Ukrainian personnel, one armoured fighting vehicle, two pickups, and two howitzers (D-20 and D-30) destroyed.

️ One AFU artillery ordnance depot has been destroyed near Krasny Liman. The enemy has lost over 40 personnel, two infantry fighting vehicles, four armoured fighting vehicles, and one D-20 howitzer.

️ One AFU ordnance depot for multiple-launch rocket systems (MLRS) has been destroyed near Zvanovka. Up to 60 Ukrainian personnel, three armoured fighting vehicles, two motor vehicles, two Gvozdika self-propelled artillery systems, as well as Giatsint-B and D-20 howitzers have been eliminated.

️ One U.S.-manufactured AN/TPQ-37 counterbattery warfare radar has been destroyed near Malaya Tokmachka (Zaporozhye region).
The enemy has lost up to 90 Ukrainian personnel, four armoured fighting vehicles, three motor vehicles, one Akatsiya self-propelled howitzer, as well as two howitzers (D-20 and D-30).

️ In Kherson direction, one U.S.-manufactured M109 Paladin self-propelled artillery system, as well as two howitzers (D-30 and Msta-B) have been destroyed within the counterbattery warfare.

Source: https://eng.mil.ru/en/special_operation/news/more.htm?id=12452037@egNews

 

[in_cutter]

We keep hearing Ukr is winning the war..yet Zelensky is begging other nations for more weapons..?

 

[bones]

We keep hearing Ukr is winning the war..yet Zelensky is begging other nations for more weapons..?

Doesn’t add up does it?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Huge events over the last couple of weeks. Russia has obliterated many Ukrainian forces, captured various territory and is ready to finish the job soon.

Out of desperation and worry about their money laundering ending, the west are sending all sorts tanks , weapons which will be good target practice.

Putin makes others leaders look like disney characters, the man is a genius and Im happy to opoenly say I agree with him.

 

[the Great Khan]

Doesn’t add up does it?

"Overall, 15 combat brigades, a regiment, 5 battalions (divisions) and a brigade, 6 regiments and 11 battalions of operational (combat), logistics and technical support had been established in the Armed Forces from the beginning of the antiterrorist operation in 20154 to the year 2015."

The above is prior to the war. So if you do the math its been devastating. A tank battalion in the US contains about 56 tanks. 1 company is 14 tanks.

In the US a brigade can have two or three battalions. So upward of 116 tanks.

So if we go by US config and do an estimate(this may not be entirely accurate) then before the war ukrops would have had about 300-350 tanks..maybe more..they had the largest number in Europe. Where are they now? What happened to the afore mentioned brigades and battalions? We have heard they have had to combine troops brigades etc and that is because of massive attrition.

I think instead of shouting at each other on this thread we need to start tallying up numbers and attrition. Otherwise we will never know what's really going on until the map changes.

 

[the Great Khan]

Here is another assessment prior to the war:

https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/modern/Ukraine/ukrainian-tanks.php

Where have all these tanks and IFV's gone? They had nearly 500 going by the above link with countless in storage awaiting modernisation. They also had about 40 odd oplots that even Pakistan evaluated at one point.

 

[mazkhan]

They do have tanks it's the maintenance that is buggered the infrastructure factories have been bombed there's no spare parts and overhauling

That's why they need ready in action tanks but even the western tanks will eventually need maintenance they are not as rugged on the field as ukranian and russian options .
Plus the western tanks are really expensive and in many cases will need sappers and specialised engineering vehicles to clear the ground for them or they will sink and become stuck in frontline as well.

 

[MenInG]

An adviser to President Volodymyr Zelensky has said that the West's "indecision" over sending extra weapons to Ukraine is "killing more of our people".

"Every day of delay is the death of Ukrainians," Mykhailo Podolyak wrote on Twitter.

His remarks come after Ukraine's defence minister said he had a "frank discussion" with his German counterpart about German Leopard 2 tanks, which Kyiv is urgently requesting to confront Russian armour.

Germany has insisted that it is not blocking the delivery of German-made Leopard tanks, which other countries want to send.

"We had a frank discussion on Leopards 2. To be continued," Oleksii Reznikov said after meeting Western allies on Friday.

The meeting at Ramstein Air Base in Germany brought an agreement to supply more armoured vehicles, air defence systems and ammunition.

On Saturday, an adviser to Mr Reznikov told the BBC that Nato countries committed to helping Ukraine need to be several steps ahead of the enemy.

 

[sweep_shot]

Huge events over the last couple of weeks. Russia has obliterated many Ukrainian forces, captured various territory and is ready to finish the job soon.

Out of desperation and worry about their money laundering ending, the west are sending all sorts tanks , weapons which will be good target practice.

Putin makes others leaders look like disney characters, the man is a genius and Im happy to opoenly say I agree with him.

Vladimir Putin is a battle-hardened warrior. A master chess player.

Zelensky should think about his people and focus on ending the war (instead of prolonging the war).

 

[the Great Khan]

The turks weren't too happy with the way the leopard 1 performed in Syria. The Russians have better ant tank weapons than they supplied to the Syrians. Kornets will make short work of older leopards also tge Mi28 will go hunting with its new longer range anti tank missiles.

The Germany are rightly reluctant to send tanks in case it effects their defence industry..the uk and us have battle tested weapons. German and European ones have not lived up to their billing.

 

[KingKhanWC]

So tragic to see Ukraine sending in kids as cannon fodder.

Ukrainian people need to wake up and wake up quick, Nato proxy war and their puppet are ruining these people.

 

[daytrader]

Russia-Ukraine war at a glance: what we know on day 333 of the invasion
Baltic countries urge Germany to send tanks ‘now’; Ukraine adviser tells allies ‘think faster’ over arms supply

• An adviser to President Volodymyr Zelenskiy has said that caution and slow decision making over whether to send Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine is costing lives.
• Baltic countries have told Germany to send the tanks “now” to Ukraine after perceived heel-dragging by the government in Berlin.
• Joe Biden told reporters after an event on Friday night that “Ukraine is going to get all the help they need,” in response to a question about the tanks.
• The German defence minister, Boris Pistoriusm said that despite heightened expectations “we still cannot say when a decision will be taken, and what the decision will be, when it comes to the Leopard tank”.
• Some 50 nations agreed on Friday to provide Kyiv with billions of dollars’ worth of military hardware, including armoured vehicles and munitions needed to push back Russian forces.
• A tearful Volodymyr Zelenskiy attended a memorial service on Saturday to commemorate seven senior interior ministry officials killed in a helicopter crash on Wednesday
• Agence France-Presse has reported the Russian army as saying its troops have launched an offensive in the Zaporizhzhia region in south-east Ukraine.

The Guardian

 

[shortbread]

Soon Europe will completely cut off russian energy imports and next in line is stopping refined products like diesel. One man's loss is another's gain. Two countries making a killing from this stance is USA and India.

American energy exports are booming and Europe is now heavily dependent on US Oil & Gas supplies. Prior to the sanctions Russia was Europe's largest supplier of refined products including diesel and petrol. Now it comes from India. So India buys heavily discounted Russian crude, their refineries turn it into product and sell it to the Europeans at market rate.

Europeans/UK are dumb!

 

[Reddy]

23rd January Briefing, Russian Ministry of defence:

️ Krasnopolye, Donetsk Republic, COMPLETELY liberated by Russian-led forces

️ MORE than 40 Ukrainian soldiers eliminated by Russian forces in Kupyansk, Kharkov, East Ukraine,

️Russian forces ELIMINATE MORE than 130 Ukrainian soldiers in DPR, 2 Western-supplied armored fighting vehicles, 2 Msta-B, and D-30 howitzers DESTROYED.

️Russian army ELIMINATES about 30 Ukrainian soldiers and destroys Grad MLRS in Zaporozhye direction.

️US-made HIMARS multiple launch rocket system, DESTROYED in the Dnieper direction.


Source: https://eng.mil.ru/en/special_operation/news/more.htm?id=12452323@egNews

 

[Reddy]

24th January Briefing, Russian Ministry of defence:

️Russian forces continue offensive in the Donetsk direction, eliminating more than 80 Ukrainian soldiers and DESTROYING a US-made M-777 howitzer.

️ Russian air defenses shoot down 10 Ukrainian drones.

️ Ukrainian unit completely eliminated along with self-propelled howitzer "Acacia" in the Zaporozhye region

️ Russian troops destroy AN/MPQ-50 radar station in Kherson region

️ Russian air forces DESTROY Ukrainian Buk-M1 air defense system in Kharkov region, East Ukraine.

Source: https://eng.mil.ru/en/special_operation/news/more.htm?id=12452403@egNews