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All the Russian troops have left Kherson.

You can either call that cowardly or it was a strategic smart move to save them a certain bloodbath.

They now have a natural boundary on the east side of the Dnipro river and will probably shell the city if the Ukrainian troops go in, not sure they are that stupid to fall for it at this stage.
 
90MPH said:
All the Russian troops have left Kherson.

You can either call that cowardly or it was a strategic smart move to save them a certain bloodbath.

They now have a natural boundary on the east side of the Dnipro river and will probably shell the city if the Ukrainian troops go in, not sure they are that stupid to fall for it at this stage.
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Don't think they have that advantage anymore. Ukraine will pound them with HIMARS
 
90MPH said:
You can either call that cowardly or it was a strategic smart move to save them a certain bloodbath.
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Many experts have said for a long time that blowing the Khakovka dam would flood the entire region which would trap many units. It's a strategic withdrawal.

The Russians are not prepared to lose their men, the US are prepared to lose plenty of Ukranian men. That's why the Russians withdraw but Ukraine sends hundreds upon hundreds to their death.
 
bones said:
Many experts have said for a long time that blowing the Khakovka dam would flood the entire region which would trap many units. It's a strategic withdrawal.

The Russians are not prepared to lose their men, the US are prepared to lose plenty of Ukranian men. That's why the Russians withdraw but Ukraine sends hundreds upon hundreds to their death.
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you are a busted flush now.. your Russian propaganda has come crumbling down.

You're done now
 
Open terrain 50km going up toward Mikolaiv from Kherson. Ukraine won't be in a hurry to enter Kherson. A few units going into for photo shoots is expected they've done the same all conflict but the main forces that remain north of the city would be sitting ducks.

It's also very interesting how the US have said to Ukrain, hey look for negotiations but don't do it seriously. The US don't know what to do, the public are a bit bored and fed up with this conflict and inflation but the military complex is making a fortune from it.
 
Solovey, used to be Putin's advisor has just said the west has given Putin surrender terms today.

Let's see what happens
 
S Jaishankar Meets Ukraine Minister To Discuss Ways To End Russia War

Phnom Penh, Cambodia: External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar on Saturday held a meeting with his Ukrainian counterpart Dmytro Kuleba and both the leaders discussed recent developments in the region, nuclear concerns and ways to end Russia's war on Ukraine.

Mr Jaishankar met Mr Kuleba on the sidelines of the ASEAN-India summit here in the Cambodian capital.

"Pleasure to meet FM @DmytroKuleba of Ukraine. Our discussions covered recent developments in the conflict, the grain initiative and nuclear concerns," he tweeted.

Mr Jaishankar's meeting with Mr Kuleba came days after he went on a two-day visit to Russia amid growing global concerns over increasing hostilities between Russia and Ukraine.

It was Mr Jaishankar's first visit to Moscow after Russia launched its invasion of Ukraine in February.

Mr Jaishankar is accompanying Vice President Jagdeep Dhankhar who is leading the Indian delegation to the ASEAN-India Commemorative Summit and the 17th East Asia Summit here.

Ukraine Foreign Dmytro Kuleba took to Twitter and said that he discussed bilateral cooperation and ways to end Russia's war on Ukraine.

"My Indian counterpart @DrSJaishankar and I met to discuss bilateral cooperation and ways to end Russia's war on Ukraine. I emphasized that Russia must immediately cease deadly attacks, withdraw all troops from Ukraine, and commit to peace. We also focused on global food security," Mr Kuleba tweeted.

India has not yet condemned the Russian invasion of Ukraine and it has been maintaining that the crisis must be resolved through diplomacy and dialogue.

Since the Ukraine conflict began in February, Prime Minister Narendra Modi spoke to Russian President Vladimir Putin as well as Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy a number of times.

During their bilateral meeting in October on the sidelines of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation in the Uzbek city of Samarkand, PM Modi pressed Putin to end the conflict in Ukraine soon, saying "today's era is not of war" even as he called for finding ways to address the global food and energy security crisis.

In a phone conversation with Zelenskyy on October 4, PM Modi said there can be "no military solution" and that India is ready to contribute to any peace efforts.

India has also said the suspension of the Black Sea Grain initiative is expected to further exacerbate food security, and fuel and fertiliser supply challenges faced by the world, particularly in the global South.

Russia suspended the initiative after an attack on its ships in the Ukrainian port of Sevastopol in the Crimean peninsula.

The Black Sea Grain Initiative is the agreement on the resumption of Ukrainian grain exports via the Black Sea amid the ongoing Russia-Ukraine war.

The initiative resulted in the export of more than nine million tonnes of grains and other food products out of Ukraine.

During his visit to Moscow from November 7 to 8, Mr Jaishankar held wide-ranging talks with his Russian counterpart Sergey Lavrov and Deputy Prime Minister Denis Manturov.

On the Ukraine conflict, Mr Jaishankar referred to Prime Minister Modi's message to President Putin in September and underlined that the global economy is simply too inter-dependent for a significant conflict anywhere, not to have major consequences elsewhere.

"We are seeing growing concerns on energy and food security from the conflict that are coming on top of severe stresses created by two years of Covid. The Global South, especially, is feeling this pain very acutely," Mr Jaishankar said in Moscow.

"India, therefore, strongly advocates a return to dialogue and diplomacy. We are clearly on the side of peace, respect for international law and support for the UN Charter," he added.

NDTV
 
cpleigh said:
Solovey, used to be Putin's advisor has just said the west has given Putin surrender terms today.

Let's see what happens
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:)))

150 missiles remaining to Putin surrendering.

Please provide more of these details on a regular basis.
 
Ukrainian officials have warned "the war is not over" after Russia's withdrawal from Kherson, even as celebrations continue over the weekend.

Cheering crowds welcomed Ukrainian troops to the city - the only regional capital taken by Moscow since February - on Friday.

Similarly jubilant scenes were reported in other regions across Ukraine, including the capital, Kyiv, and Odesa.

But despite the blow to Moscow's ambitions, officials remain cautious.

Yuriy Sak, an adviser to the Ukrainian defence minister, warned the BBC it was "too early to relax".

"We always believed that we would liberate Kherson," he told Radio 4's Today programme. "And we are confident that now Russians are beginning to believe that they will never be able to win this war. We see the panic in their ranks. We see the panic in their propaganda machine.

"But of course, this is a very important moment, but... this war is far from over."

Kherson lacks running water, medicines and food, but emergency supplies are starting to arrive from nearby Mykolaiv, an aide to the city's mayor says.

The aide, Roman Golovnya, says 70-80,000 people live in Kherson now, out of a pre-war population of 320,000.

It is not yet clear when electricity will be restored to the city - nearby areas are expected to get it back in a few days' time. The power cuts prevented Kherson's bakeries from making bread.

Mr Sak warned of the continuing risk of missile attacks - as did Oleksiy Kuleba, head of the Kyiv region's military administration. Russia has been firing missiles at Ukraine's energy infrastructure in recent weeks, severely damaging the country's output.

Mr Kuleba told the BBC: "Over the past month... we have seen massive shelling of peaceful settlements in Ukraine. Now I want to say that the threat of rocket attacks on the Kyiv region remains high."
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There are Ukraine/Russia experts in this thread, I am not one of them but this Kherson story certainly seems on the surface to be a significant development in this conflict.
 
cpleigh said:
How's Putin and Russia doing?
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Ironically the sauce you gave is of a man who said months ago Putin was on the verge of kicking the bucket.

Putin is a fit man for his age, his mental health is great, he is not senile like Biden and a genius of a leader who will go down in history for changing the balance of power in the world, along with sending Europe and US into struggling nations with their economies.

Btw are you sure Russia retreated from Kherson?

As according to your leader Joe Biden, they retreated from Fallujah which is in Iraq :)))
 
Let’s be completely honest about where we stand now.

1. Russia has lost the only provincial capital that it took in 2022.

2. Russia lost Kherson because the destruction of the Crimean Bridge made it impossible to resupply it.

3. The Ukrainians now find themselves within HIMARS striking distance of most of Crimea, and can also now advance southwards from the outskirts of Donetsk to the Black Sea to completely besiege the remaining Russian troops in Kherson and Crimea.

4. The average life expectancy of Russia’s 300,000 conscripts after deployment is 4 days.

Militarily Russia is destroyed. All they have left is the empty threat of nuclear weapons, but if they use them then the RAF will instantly destroy the Crimean Bridge from Constanta and the Black Sea fleet in Sevastopol.

We now know the terms that Lavrov has been given for Russia’s surrender:

1. Return of the entirety of Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaphorizhzhia provinces to Ukraine.

2. Demilitarisation of Crimea for 7 years followed by its return to Ukraine in 2029.

3. Agreement for Russia to extradite accused war criminals to The Hague.

4. Formal renunciation of all Russian claims to Ukrainian territory, including Crimea.

I don’t think Putin can accept those terms, and I don’t think any Ukrainians want a ceasefire - they want to fight on to victory.

The historic failure of the Republicans to win the US Senate means that American arms supplies to Ukraine are guaranteed until at least January 2025.

The scenes of celebration from Kherson - absurdly claimed by Russia to have had an 87.5% vote to leave Ukraine - have really cooked Russia’s goose.

Every western politician has seen the Ukrainians make clear that going without water and power is worth it to be free from Russian control.

Putin will continue striking out with war crime strikes against power and water, and will probably assassinate Zelensky.

But Russia has now lost at Kyiv, Kharkiv and Kherson. Their absolute defeat is now certain.
 
Junaids said:
2. Demilitarisation of Crimea for 7 years followed by its return to Ukraine in 2029.
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Where does it say Crimea has to be returned?

Here's what's written on Daily Mail: "Professor Valery Solovey, formerly at Moscow's prestigious Institute of International Relations and who claims to have connections in the Kremlin, said the surrender would see Russia give up all territory in Ukraine with the exception of Crimea, which would become a demilitarised zone and its status would not be discussed again until 2029."

These information came from a professor. So, not verified.
 
After scenes of joy in newly liberated Kherson the Ukrainian authorities have imposed a curfew and restricted travel in and out of the city, as the security situation remains tense.

There are fears that Russian troops, now digging in on the opposite bank of the Dnipro river, may resume shelling.

Kherson officials have banned use of river transport from 13 to 19 November.

Locals who fled have been warned not to return until their homes have been checked for mines or booby traps.

Russian explosives litter the region.

"The enemy mined all critical infrastructure objects," said Kherson governor Yaroslav Yanushevych.

He has told citizens to avoid crowded places and stay away from the city centre on Monday because the military will be de-mining there.

The overnight curfew runs from 17:00 to 08:00 (15:00 to 06:00 GMT). Officials have returned to run Kherson's administration after the retreat of some 30,000 Russian occupation troops.

There are also fears that some Russian soldiers may have remained behind in disguise, while collaborators who helped the Russians during the occupation are now liable to be prosecuted.

In a reminder of the continuing threat, a volley of artillery fire hit the area of Kherson airport on Sunday.

President Volodymyr Zelensky said the Russians had destroyed all critical infrastructure in Kherson, depriving the city of heat, electricity, water and communications.

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Junaids said:
One source for the terms that Russia has been given for its surrender:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...rrender-terms-West-loses-control-Kherson.html
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This source is the same shared earlier.

The same so called expert stated Putin was on the verge of death 6 months ago.

The East of formeley Ukraine is now part of the Russian Federation. Russia will never surrender their own territory lol.

Give it 3-4 weeks you will see a huge destructive Russian army advancing to conquer all these areas once and for all.
 
KingKhanWC said:
This source is the same shared earlier.

The same so called expert stated Putin was on the verge of death 6 months ago.

The East of formeley Ukraine is now part of the Russian Federation. Russia will never surrender their own territory lol.

Give it 3-4 weeks you will see a huge destructive Russian army advancing to conquer all these areas once and for all.
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Firstly, Russia doesn’t even control Donetsk Airport. Its control of the east is fictional.

Secondly, Russia has barely added an inch in 2022 to what it already controlled in 2014. But it has lost its best soldiers and its best weapons in losing at Kyiv, Kharkiv and Kherson.

How is Russia suddenly going to step losing now that it is reduced to using conscripted grandpas who are untrained and whose weapons have been in storage for 75 years?

Even their officers tell the conscripts that they are just “meat”.
 
Junaids said:
Firstly, Russia doesn’t even control Donetsk Airport. Its control of the east is fictional.

Secondly, Russia has barely added an inch in 2022 to what it already controlled in 2014. But it has lost its best soldiers and its best weapons in losing at Kyiv, Kharkiv and Kherson.

How is Russia suddenly going to step losing now that it is reduced to using conscripted grandpas who are untrained and whose weapons have been in storage for 75 years?

Even their officers tell the conscripts that they are just “meat”.
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Russia did not control anything from 2014 until the liberation started in 2022. Which Russian army was present barring Crimea?

Ive just seen a lot of footage of Russian drones taking out many Ukranian tanks, trucks etc. in Kherson region.

Russia has lost a lot of men but Ukraine has lost many X more. They are now forcing their women to take up arms lol.

Millions are and will be leaving cities which are dark, soon the heating will run out too.

Have you sent any blankets which they requested or prefer to sit back and read BBC and feel they are winning for YOU?

Its embarrasing even thinking Russia will entertain this fantasy surrender. The same source was wrong about Putin dying but now you swallow this too? :))
 
KingKhanWC said:
Russia did not control anything from 2014 until the liberation started in 2022. Which Russian army was present barring Crimea?

Ive just seen a lot of footage of Russian drones taking out many Ukranian tanks, trucks etc. in Kherson region.

Russia has lost a lot of men but Ukraine has lost many X more. They are now forcing their women to take up arms lol.

Millions are and will be leaving cities which are dark, soon the heating will run out too.

Have you sent any blankets which they requested or prefer to sit back and read BBC and feel they are winning for YOU?

Its embarrasing even thinking Russia will entertain this fantasy surrender. The same source was wrong about Putin dying but now you swallow this too? :))
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From a personal POV I hope the Daily Mail is telling the truth. This war is costing me a lot of money, I'm just glad I don't have any outstanding loans, otherwise I would be really up the creek within a year or two. My niggling fear now is that both the US and Europe are crumbling powers and Putin and his eastern cohorts know this. Even India has re-pledged allegiance to the Soviet flag.
 
It must be a time of genuine fear for Russia’s collaborators in the supposedly annexed Ukrainian territories.

Lyman and Izyum were abandoned by Russia within days. Now they have also abandoned Kherson, leaving behind just 1/4 of the population which now despises Russia after months of terror and life without basics like clean water and power.

Everybody knows that 75% of the population of Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhizhia and Kherson always opposed Russia.

But at least half the population of Crimea did support Russia.

But they are all learning now what happens when you use criminal means to try to secede. If your new country abandons you - which Russia obviously is doing - you have no choice but to move to that country.

So in effect the pro-Russian Ukrainians now face a future of self-Ethnic Cleansing. They have no future in the country they betrayed, and they have learned the hard way that Russia is not the benevolent superpower they imagined but rather is a bandit state with inherited nuclear weapons that it cannot use without committing suicide.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
From a personal POV I hope the Daily Mail is telling the truth. This war is costing me a lot of money, I'm just glad I don't have any outstanding loans, otherwise I would be really up the creek within a year or two. My niggling fear now is that both the US and Europe are crumbling powers and Putin and his eastern cohorts know this. Even India has re-pledged allegiance to the Soviet flag.
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You’re losing a lot of money?

Every Ukrainian in Russian-occupied territory has had their possessions stolen, notably their washing machines.

They have been subjected to war crimes in the form of civilian water and power being targeted, as well as random rape and murder of civilians by the evil Russians.

They just want us to help arm them to defend themselves and to remove the Russian looters, rapists and murderers from their land.

They shouldn’t have to live under the evil yoke of the unwanted Russian invaders because it suits your personal finances.
 
Junaids said:
You’re losing a lot of money?

Every Ukrainian in Russian-occupied territory has had their possessions stolen, notably their washing machines.

They have been subjected to war crimes in the form of civilian water and power being targeted, as well as random rape and murder of civilians by the evil Russians.

They just want us to help arm them to defend themselves and to remove the Russian looters, rapists and murderers from their land.

They shouldn’t have to live under the evil yoke of the unwanted Russian invaders because it suits your personal finances.
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How's arming Ukraine going for the west?

They are ruining their own economies.
 
Reading the NY Times articles today is a reminder of the totality of Russia’s failure to Russify Kherson.

They tried to force the locals to use the Russian currency, sing the anthem and replaced all TV with the Russian propaganda channels used in Russia.

Which didn’t work as Russia failed to maintain power to houses and Russian soldiers stole over 90% of the televisions in the city!

It reads like a case study in How To Make Enemies and Lose a War.
 
sweep_shot said:
How's arming Ukraine going for the west?

They are ruining their own economies.
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It’s going great, thanks.

The American government has just had the best mid-term election results for half a century. Unemployment is non-existent.

Inflation is up everywhere but most of us feel pretty good about helping an invaded country defend itself, while our sworn enemy continues to disarm itself.

We didn’t want a war in Ukraine - Russia did.

But we are very happy to help the victims to defend themselves while our enemy destroys itself.
 
Junaids said:
It’s going great, thanks.

The American government has just had the best mid-term election results for half a century. Unemployment is non-existent.

Inflation is up everywhere but most of us feel pretty good about helping an invaded country defend itself, while our sworn enemy continues to disarm itself.

We didn’t want a war in Ukraine - Russia did.

But we are very happy to help the victims to defend themselves while our enemy destroys itself.
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LOL at "we". You make it sound like you make these decisions.
 
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Junaids said:
The American government has just had the best mid-term election results for half a century. Unemployment is non-existent.
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Yeah. Okay. I am sure there was nothing suspicious about recent US elections (sarcasm).

US debt is over $30-trillion. There are many homeless and struggling people in United States. Instead of helping these domestic people, what does US government do? They arm Ukraine.

Funny and sad.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
From a personal POV I hope the Daily Mail is telling the truth. This war is costing me a lot of money, I'm just glad I don't have any outstanding loans, otherwise I would be really up the creek within a year or two. My niggling fear now is that both the US and Europe are crumbling powers and Putin and his eastern cohorts know this. Even India has re-pledged allegiance to the Soviet flag.
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I think all SANE humans hope this war ends and especially ALL BRITS. Since Russia has confirmed UK was behind the terrorist attacks on the Nord Stream pipleline and the bridge, we have a bigger worry , much worse than raising prices.

Some in the UK egg on the Ukranians until the last Ukranian. Too some its a movie fantasy where they will cheer for war thinking no harm will come to them.

The conflict could end tomorrow if Nato wanted but they are fooling people into thinking Russia has only 150 missiles remaining, a surrender has been offered and Russians are losing.
 
Junaids said:
Reading the NY Times articles today is a reminder of the totality of Russia’s failure to Russify Kherson.

They tried to force the locals to use the Russian currency, sing the anthem and replaced all TV with the Russian propaganda channels used in Russia.

Which didn’t work as Russia failed to maintain power to houses and Russian soldiers stole over 90% of the televisions in the city!

It reads like a case study in How To Make Enemies and Lose a War.
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You write a post, someone responds to your points but then you continue on some other post without addressing?

You can lose credibility as you have little but please attempt to reply.

Let me ask you view on these.

1. Does Russia only have 150 missiles remaining?

2. Is Putin so ill he will die within months?

3. Why are women in Ukraine being forced to fight?

4. Why is Kyiv in the dark, lack of electricity?

5. When will Russia leave defeated? You said 6 months ago, 6 months but have another go.

I have many many more but lets deal with these first please.
 
KingKhanWC said:
To some its like a Hollywood or James Bond movie. :))
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The way Junaids types, you would think he is in charge of NATO or something.

I think one winter should be enough to give a lot of delusional people reality checks.

Prolonging the war is bad for everyone (including Ukrainians). This is something war hawks aren't getting.
 
The war could end tomorrow if Russia the invader leaves the occupied territories
 
sweep_shot said:
Yeah. Okay. I am sure there was nothing suspicious about recent US elections (sarcasm).

US debt is over $30-trillion. There are many homeless and struggling people in United States. Instead of helping these domestic people, what does US government do? They arm Ukraine.

Funny and sad.
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Nobody in their right mind thinks that the US midterm results are suspicious.

The American people can tell the difference between the competence of the current administration compared with the loud mouthed self-serving chaos and incompetence of Trump.

As for homeless people in the US, the American people choose not to have universal healthcare or a welfare state. That is their choice.

Right now the biggest threat to the world is for a rogue nuclear-armed kleptocratic terrorist state of Russia to be able to take over a democratic and free neighbour. None of us are safe if that succeeds.

Thankfully a very competent Biden administration aligned with a UK government which is a domestic shambles but which is firm and staunch on Russia is enabling Ukraine to defend itself and to defeat Russia.

And I thank goodness for that.
 
My response to the questions from [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]

1. Does Russia only have 150 missiles remaining?

Precision cruise missiles? Approximately, yes. That’s why they are reduced to shooting ship-to-ship and surface-to-air missiles at land targets. They haven’t saved enough cruise missiles to be able to defend themselves against invasion now.

2. Is Putin so ill he will die within months?

Not that I’m aware of. He’s what he always was - a pathetic little bully who picks on people even weaker than himself. He has a mediocre intellect and listens only to an echo chamber so he ended up starting a war he is losing badly, and he will be falling out of a window shortly.

3. Why are women in Ukraine being forced to fight?

They are not - they are choosing to defend their homeland from invasion. Christiane Amanpour just did a feature on CNN about women defending Ukraine.

4. Why is Kyiv in the dark, lack of electricity?

Due to Russian war crimes, unlawfully attacking civilian power and water. Putin is picking soft targets because he can’t win real battles against military opposition. It’s the tantrum of a humiliated little bully with very small hands.

5. When will Russia leave defeated? You said 6 months ago, 6 months but have another go.

They have lost at Kyiv.

They have lost at Kharkiv.

They have lost half of Donetsk province.

They have lost at Kherson.

The bridge they use to supply illegally-occupied Crimea is unusable.

The Black Sea fleet dares not leave port.

Can’t you recognise the evidence before your eyes?

Russia has used - and run out of - its best soldiers and weapons, and has lost everywhere.

Now they are in full retreat, and relying on conscripted untrained grandpas with 75 year old weapons.
 
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A brief word on US arms sales and transfers to Ukraine after the mid-term elections.

The Democrats now control the Senate with a majority, whereas before they only had the VP’s casting vote. And at least half the Republican Senators support arming Ukraine anyway.

The Republicans will have a narrow House majority - probably of 2. But at least half of their representatives support arming Ukraine too.

In other words, Congressional support for arming Ukraine to defend itself is now guaranteed until at least January 2025.

Putin had proxies like Trump and Marjorie Taylor Greene in position in US politics, and they blew the Republican Party’s hopes to smithereens in the midterm elections.

And now there is bipartisan support for continuing to assist Ukraine to defend itself.
 
Ukraine war: Kherson 'beginning of the end' - Zelensky

The liberation of Kherson marks the "beginning of the end" of the war with Russia, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said on a visit to the city.

Ukraine was "moving forward" and ready for peace, he told soldiers.

Losing the southern city is a major setback for Russia - though Moscow insists it remains Russian territory.

Russia declared it the centre of the illegally annexed Kherson region, and it was the only regional capital to be occupied since the invasion.

Pro-Russian billboards on the drive in to the city - along with periodic crumps of artillery - act as a reminder that Russian President Vladimir Putin's men have not left completely, though.

Kherson was captured in March, weeks after the invasion began. The region was then one of four to be illegally annexed after self-styled referendums in September.

At a ceremony in Moscow, Putin said the annexation of Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson was "non-negotiable". Russia still occupies the cities of Donetsk and Luhansk, seized by Russian-backed separatists in 2014.

In recent weeks Ukraine has made gains in the south of the country, advancing towards Kherson and putting Russian forces under increasing pressure.

Last week, Russian forces withdrew and Ukrainian troops entered the city on Friday.

Locals were seen celebrating, some reuniting with loved ones they had not seen for months. The mood in the city was one of jubilation and relief, but also trepidation the BBC's Jeremy Bowen reports.

Echoing that caution was Nato Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, who warned it would be a "mistake" to "underestimate Russia".

"The coming months will be difficult," he told Dutch government officials. "Putin's aim is to leave Ukraine cold and dark this winter. So we must stay the course."

During his visit on Monday, Mr Zelensky sang the Ukrainian national anthem as the country's flag was hoisted above the main administrative building.

He told troops that Ukraine was "ready for peace, peace for all our country", Reuters news agency reports.

He thanked Nato and other allies for their support, adding that high mobility artillery rocket systems (Himars) from the United States had made a big difference.

The president also addressed a crowd in the city's main square, some of whom waved Ukrainian flags or wore them draped across their shoulders.

Asked where Ukrainian forces might advance next, he said: "Not Moscow... We're not interested in the territories of another country."

The president also joked he had come to Kherson because he "wanted a watermelon" - in reference to the locally grown fruit which has become a popular Ukrainian symbol of resistance.

Unlike other liberated areas, Kherson is relatively undamaged. The Kremlin tried to make its occupation appear legitimate here.

As the city emerged from its own kind of lockdown - an oppressive eight-month Russian occupation - shops could this week accept Ukrainian hryvnia for the first in a long time. They had previously been forced to trade with the Russian rouble.

At a grocery store, which stayed open throughout the occupation, workers said Russian soldiers would "come in for free beers". If refused, the soldiers "said they'd come back and kill us", the workers claimed.

In response to Mr Zelensky's visit, the Kremlin said that Kherson was part of Russia.

"We leave this without comment," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said, adding: "You know, this territory is part of the Russian Federation."

Deputy Foreign Minister Alexander Grushko said Russia would not agree to withdrawing troops as a prerequisite for peace talks.

"Such conditions are unacceptable," the Russian news agency Interfax quoted him as saying on Monday.

"Our president has repeatedly said that we are ready for talks. But these talks, naturally, should take into account the situation on the ground."

Earlier Mr Zelensky said investigators had uncovered more than 400 war crimes in areas of Kherson abandoned by Russian forces as they retreated.

The BBC has been unable to verify these allegations, and Moscow denies that its troops intentionally target civilians.

BBC
 
CIA director meets Russia's top spy chief for secret Ukraine talks

America and Russia’s top spy chiefs are meeting in Turkey for secret talks about the war in Ukraine.

In the first face-to-face high-level diplomatic contact between Washington and Moscow since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, Bill Burns, director of the CIA, and Sergey Naryshkin, the head of Russia's SVR spy agency, are meeting in Ankara to discuss detained US citizens and nuclear risk.

The White House stressed that Mr Burns was “not conducting negotiations of any kind”.

Ukraine was briefed in advance of the trip, with the White House saying: “We firmly stick to our fundamental principle: nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine.”

A National Security Council spokesman said: “He is not discussing settlement of the war in Ukraine.

“He is conveying a message on the consequences of the use of nuclear weapons by Russia, and the risks of escalation to strategic stability. He will also raise the cases of unjustly detained US citizens.”

There have not been any high-level public conversations between the US and Russia since Sergei Lavrov, the Kremlin's foreign minister; and Anthony Blinken, the US Secretary of State, met in Geneva in January, a month before the invasion of Ukraine.

Joe Biden sent Mr Burns to Moscow in November last year to try to dissuade Vladimir Putin from going ahead with his planned invasion of Ukraine.

The White House said: “We have been very open about the fact that we have channels to communicate with Russia on managing risk, especially nuclear risk and risks to strategic stability.”

The meeting comes as world leaders including Mr Biden and China's Xi Jinping gather in Bali for the annual G20 summit, which opens on Tuesday.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-n...talk-us-g20-leaders-meet-discuss-ukraine-war/

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Clear indication NATO has lost, Ukraine has lost, and Russia has won.
 
Technics 1210 said:
CIA director meets Russia's top spy chief for secret Ukraine talks

America and Russia’s top spy chiefs are meeting in Turkey for secret talks about the war in Ukraine.

In the first face-to-face high-level diplomatic contact between Washington and Moscow since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, Bill Burns, director of the CIA, and Sergey Naryshkin, the head of Russia's SVR spy agency, are meeting in Ankara to discuss detained US citizens and nuclear risk.

The White House stressed that Mr Burns was “not conducting negotiations of any kind”.

Ukraine was briefed in advance of the trip, with the White House saying: “We firmly stick to our fundamental principle: nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine.”

A National Security Council spokesman said: “He is not discussing settlement of the war in Ukraine.

“He is conveying a message on the consequences of the use of nuclear weapons by Russia, and the risks of escalation to strategic stability. He will also raise the cases of unjustly detained US citizens.”

There have not been any high-level public conversations between the US and Russia since Sergei Lavrov, the Kremlin's foreign minister; and Anthony Blinken, the US Secretary of State, met in Geneva in January, a month before the invasion of Ukraine.

Joe Biden sent Mr Burns to Moscow in November last year to try to dissuade Vladimir Putin from going ahead with his planned invasion of Ukraine.

The White House said: “We have been very open about the fact that we have channels to communicate with Russia on managing risk, especially nuclear risk and risks to strategic stability.”

The meeting comes as world leaders including Mr Biden and China's Xi Jinping gather in Bali for the annual G20 summit, which opens on Tuesday.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-n...talk-us-g20-leaders-meet-discuss-ukraine-war/

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Clear indication NATO has lost, Ukraine has lost, and Russia has won.
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you really do have some very bizarre takes on things.
 
cpleigh said:
sounds like Ukraine has crossed the Dnieper river.

Astonishing really
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More than that - Ukraine has taken the Kinburn Spit just north of Crimea, which puts the northern and western sides of Crimea within HIMARS range.

But it also means that they have bypassed all the elaborately built fortifications which Russia built east of Kherson and in the northern part of Crimea. What a wasted effort that was!
 
Very important article by the legendary historian Anne Applebaum today on the need for the Russian Empire to finally undergo decolonisation and independence. Remember: the oil and gas aren’t actually in Russia itself.

It’s time to end the practice of Muslim Asians being ruled by white Christian Russians who use them as disposable cannon fodder.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazin...must-lose-ukraine-war-imperial-future/671891/
 
I think Russia has shocked it’s supporters itself first by waging the war and then by retreating badly very similar to Afghanistan, probably the midterm election results made Russia see that there would be endless supply which they can’t face anymore, almost seems like they learnt nothing from history when Reagan guaranteed the same.

From an Indian pov thank God Russia is not our biggest export market this time around, I would had been disillusioned with massive crash.
 
JaDed said:
I think Russia has shocked it’s supporters itself first by waging the war and then by retreating badly very similar to Afghanistan, probably the midterm election results made Russia see that there would be endless supply which they can’t face anymore, almost seems like they learnt nothing from history when Reagan guaranteed the same.

From an Indian pov thank God Russia is not our biggest export market this time around, I would had been disillusioned with massive crash.
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It shows what a feeble-minded imbecile Vladimir Putin is.

And how similar he is to Hitler.

Russia lost the Cold War because it was too poor to keep up in an arms race with the west.

32 years on, Russia is poorer, weaker and still using the same antique weapons it inherited from the USSR.

But Putin, like Hitler, was a defeat denier who thought that the Cold War would have been won if the Russians had been more ruthless.

Like Hitler he is now fighting and losing a futile and unnecessary war, and his own life will be over soon.
 
KingKhanWC said:
You write a post, someone responds to your points but then you continue on some other post without addressing?

You can lose credibility as you have little but please attempt to reply.

Let me ask you view on these.

1. Does Russia only have 150 missiles remaining?

2. Is Putin so ill he will die within months?

3. Why are women in Ukraine being forced to fight?

4. Why is Kyiv in the dark, lack of electricity?

5. When will Russia leave defeated? You said 6 months ago, 6 months but have another go.

I have many many more but lets deal with these first please.
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Junaids said:
My response to the questions from [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]

1. Does Russia only have 150 missiles remaining?

Precision cruise missiles? Approximately, yes. That’s why they are reduced to shooting ship-to-ship and surface-to-air missiles at land targets. They haven’t saved enough cruise missiles to be able to defend themselves against invasion now.

2. Is Putin so ill he will die within months?

Not that I’m aware of. He’s what he always was - a pathetic little bully who picks on people even weaker than himself. He has a mediocre intellect and listens only to an echo chamber so he ended up starting a war he is losing badly, and he will be falling out of a window shortly.

3. Why are women in Ukraine being forced to fight?

They are not - they are choosing to defend their homeland from invasion. Christiane Amanpour just did a feature on CNN about women defending Ukraine.

4. Why is Kyiv in the dark, lack of electricity?

Due to Russian war crimes, unlawfully attacking civilian power and water. Putin is picking soft targets because he can’t win real battles against military opposition. It’s the tantrum of a humiliated little bully with very small hands.

5. When will Russia leave defeated? You said 6 months ago, 6 months but have another go.

They have lost at Kyiv.

They have lost at Kharkiv.

They have lost half of Donetsk province.

They have lost at Kherson.

The bridge they use to supply illegally-occupied Crimea is unusable.

The Black Sea fleet dares not leave port.

Can’t you recognise the evidence before your eyes?

Russia has used - and run out of - its best soldiers and weapons, and has lost everywhere.

Now they are in full retreat, and relying on conscripted untrained grandpas with 75 year old weapons.
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I guess that the fact that nobody has rebutted my answers to [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] questions after almost 24 hours means that everybody accepts that my numbered responses are undisputed facts.

The Russian Empire is coming to a subdued end in a state of international disgrace and global humiliation.

It looks as if Russia has been deluding itself that it was the key component of the USSR.
 
JaDed said:
I think Russia has shocked it’s supporters itself first by waging the war and then by retreating badly very similar to Afghanistan, probably the midterm election results made Russia see that there would be endless supply which they can’t face anymore, almost seems like they learnt nothing from history when Reagan guaranteed the same.

From an Indian pov thank God Russia is not our biggest export market this time around, I would had been disillusioned with massive crash.
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I would absolutely lobby our government to sanction India for importing russian oil, especially in a time of war. there need to be consequences for supporting the totalitarian state.
 
captain.hansolo said:
I would absolutely lobby our government to sanction India for importing russian oil, especially in a time of war. there need to be consequences for supporting the totalitarian state.
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Which is your government? US?They actually were happy India was buying oil from Russia if they weren’t the prices of oil would had sky rocketed right now and inflation even worse.
 
JaDed said:
I think Russia has shocked it’s supporters itself first by waging the war and then by retreating badly very similar to Afghanistan, probably the midterm election results made Russia see that there would be endless supply which they can’t face anymore, almost seems like they learnt nothing from history when Reagan guaranteed the same.

From an Indian pov thank God Russia is not our biggest export market this time around, I would had been disillusioned with massive crash.
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Didn't India just recently recommit it's longstandsing support of Russia with an energy deal? Also called them long-standing allies proven over decades unless I read that wrong.
 
India to double trade with Russia despite sanctions from Ukraine war

Despite sanctions imposed on Russia by the US and other Western countries on account of its war in Ukraine, India is likely to double its trade with the country, a report said.

The increase in trade volume is coming mainly on India's increased import of Russian oil, a fact that has attracted much criticism from the West. India, which originally imported just 1 per cent of its oil from Russia, is now importing as much as 20 per cent.

“The department of commerce mentioned that it was ready to support the initiative, and on the basis of feedback from various exporters and business entities, DoC was confident of doubling India-Russia trade within the near foreseeable future, and this would be further spurred by the use of INR for trade settlement,” The Indian Express reported, citing minutes of a high-level meeting in September on the issue of trading in Indian Rupee, acquired under the Right to Information Act.

https://www.deccanherald.com/nation...anctions-from-ukraine-war-report-1161902.html
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Didn't India just recently recommit it's longstandsing support of Russia with an energy deal? Also called them long-standing allies proven over decades unless I read that wrong.
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Import is benefiting, when USSR collapsed it was our biggest export market.. so we collapsed..
Not the same situation this time , our exports are somewhat diversified now.
 
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In a press conference at the G20, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said that Ukraine is "refusing to talk" which is making it "hard to reach an agreement", and commented that Kyiv's conditions for negotiations are "unrealistic".

Lavrov also added that he had brief talks with Germany's Chancellor Olaf Scholz and France's President Emmanuel Macron about Ukraine.

However, Reuters reported that, when asked about the talks, Scholz said Lavrov had "stood near him and said a couple of sentences. That was the conversation."

Lavrov said obstacles remained to the export of Russian grain and fertilisers to world markets, but that the UN was working to remove them. He also said that UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres set out promises from the US and EU on the Black Sea grain deal that those involved in the trade would not be sanctioned.

When asked about whose support he managed to secure at the summit, Lavrov that "no-one except the West and its closest satellites has joined anti-Russian sanctions", adding that "all the countries of the third world touching on this subject... call for peaceful settlement and the soonest reaching of an agreement."
 
MenInG said:
In a press conference at the G20, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said that Ukraine is "refusing to talk" which is making it "hard to reach an agreement", and commented that Kyiv's conditions for negotiations are "unrealistic".

Lavrov also added that he had brief talks with Germany's Chancellor Olaf Scholz and France's President Emmanuel Macron about Ukraine.

However, Reuters reported that, when asked about the talks, Scholz said Lavrov had "stood near him and said a couple of sentences. That was the conversation."

Lavrov said obstacles remained to the export of Russian grain and fertilisers to world markets, but that the UN was working to remove them. He also said that UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres set out promises from the US and EU on the Black Sea grain deal that those involved in the trade would not be sanctioned.

When asked about whose support he managed to secure at the summit, Lavrov that "no-one except the West and its closest satellites has joined anti-Russian sanctions", adding that "all the countries of the third world touching on this subject... call for peaceful settlement and the soonest reaching of an agreement."
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The only reason Ukraine is refusing to talk is because Amreeka and UK have forbidden Zelensky from negotiating peace. Notice though how leaders of France and Germany still have talks, albeit brief.
 
Technics 1210 said:
The only reason Ukraine is refusing to talk is because Amreeka and UK have forbidden Zelensky from negotiating peace. Notice though how leaders of France and Germany still have talks, albeit brief.
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The German President literally denied it, to you even bother to read?

Ukraine doesn't need to negotiate anything. Their terms are clear. Go back to Russia then we'll talk.
 
Guys, Massive Massive missile strikes from Russia just a few hours back, probably the largest since the start of conflict !!
 
"There is a mass launch of X-101 missiles in Ukraine with Tu-95 bombers from the Volgograd-Astrakhan region." - Ukrainian media
 
Deputy Head of the Office of the President of Ukraine Kyrylo Tymoshenko reports that the situation with the energy infrastructure in the country is critical.
 
Missiles struck all these regions:

— Kyiv
— Kyiv region
— Sumy
— Sumy region
— Kharkov
— Kharkiv region
— Kremenchug
— Cherkassy
— Zaporozhye
— Krivoy Rog
— Kirovohrad
— Dnepropetrovsk
— Nikolaev
— Nikolaev region
— Odessa
— Odessa region
— Vinnitsa
— Zhytomyr
— Khmelnytsky
— Ternopil
— Chernivtsi
— Ivano-Frankivsk
— Lviv
— Lviv region
— Kovel
— Rivne
 
'100 missiles' fired at Ukraine today

Russia has fired around 100 missiles in a countrywide strike, a Ukrainian air force spokesman said this afternoon.

Those in the country have reported a raft of strikes in the last few hours, including in Kyiv, where one person died.

Bombardment has also been noted in Kharkiv, Lviv and Zhytomyr.

In the last couple of minutes, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy warned that further strikes are possible.

He said that 85 missiles had hit Ukraine, with 20 more expected.

SKY
 
At least one person killed in Kyiv strikes - while half of city is without electricity

At least one person was killed in a Russian missile strike on the Ukrainian capital Kyiv on Tuesday, the city's mayor said.

Vitali Klitschko said a body had been pulled out of a residential building that was hit in the central Pechersk district.

He added that, due to a "massive missile attack", Ukraine's national power company Ukrenergo had launched emergency power outages throughout the country.

"This is a necessary step to balance the power system and avoid equipment accidents," Mr Klitschko said.

"Schedules of stabilisation shutdowns are currently not in effect!

"In the capital, at least half of the customers are without electricity."

The deputy head of the president's office, Kyrylo Tymoshenko, said the situation across the country was "critical".

"Russian terrorists carried out another planned attack on energy infrastructure facilities," he said.

SKY
 
'Abuses' reported in newly liberated Kherson

Reports of human rights abuses are continuing to emerge in newly liberated parts of Kherson following the withdrawal of Russian troops.

Matilda Bogner, the head of the UN human rights office's monitoring mission in Ukraine, said her teams were looking to travel to Kherson to verify allegations of nearly 80 cases of enforced disappearances and arbitrary detention it had turned up in the area.

She said the UN hoped to "understand whether the scale is in fact larger than what we have documented already".

The head of the National Police of Ukraine, Igor Klymenko, said authorities would start investigating reports from Kherson that Russian forces set up at least three alleged torture sites in now-liberated areas.

He said that "our people may have been detained and tortured there."

"Mine clearance is currently under way. After that, I think, today, investigative actions will begin," he said on Ukrainian TV.

Reports of human rights abuses and war crimes have emerged in many Ukrainian regions after Russian troops have moved out.

Mass graves were uncovered after the liberation of Izyum - and those in Kherson claim prisoners were tortured on a daily basis under Russian occupation.

SKY
 
Reddy said:
Guys, Massive Massive missile strikes from Russia just a few hours back, probably the largest since the start of conflict !!
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Ah... the latest 'we've been embarrased on the battle field so lets just lob any missiles we have left at anything in Ukraine'

It hasn't worked yet and won't work either.

I'd love to know how they think this will help Russia.

And why do you sound pleased that Russia is attacking anything civilian?
 
cpleigh said:
Ah... the latest 'we've been embarrased on the battle field so lets just lob any missiles we have left at anything in Ukraine'

It hasn't worked yet and won't work either.

I'd love to know how they think this will help Russia.

And why do you sound pleased that Russia is attacking anything civilian?
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Didn't America do "Shock and Awe" in Iraq? They killed thousands of people and ruined many infrastructures.

This is a war. In war, things like this can happen.

Zelenysky can stop this if he comes to negotiation table.
 
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sweep_shot said:
Didn't America do "Shock and Awe" in Iraq? They killed thousands of people and ruined many infrastructures.

This is a war. In war, things like this can happen.

Zelenysky can stop this if he comes to negotiation table.
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This isn't shock and awe is it? This is pure terroism. Its not targetted at military or government infrastructure, its a war crime. Simple.

So no... things like this 'shouldn't happen in war'

Zelensky has already laid his conditions for discussions out.

Russia has rejected talks
 
cpleigh said:
This isn't shock and awe is it? This is pure terroism. Its not targetted at military or government infrastructure, its a war crime. Simple.

So no... things like this 'shouldn't happen in war'

Zelensky has already laid his conditions for discussions out.

Russia has rejected talks
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What was "Shock and Awe" then? That was also indiscriminate bombing. I remember the footage quite clearly.

So, if America does this, it is not terrorism. But, if Russia does it, it is "pure terrorism". Okay.
 
Zelenskiy warns more strikes possible after Ukraine says 100 Russian missiles launched across country
 
Junaids said:
I guess that the fact that nobody has rebutted my answers to [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] questions after almost 24 hours means that everybody accepts that my numbered responses are undisputed facts.

The Russian Empire is coming to a subdued end in a state of international disgrace and global humiliation.

It looks as if Russia has been deluding itself that it was the key component of the USSR.
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I appreciate your response but please be patient , as Im not here on daily basis.

1. Russia has been preparing for this since 2014. They have thousands of precision weapon missiles. The same was stated 6 months ago but after the terrorist attack on the Crimean Bridge, Russia showed how well and how many precision guided missiles they have, its plenty I assure you.

2. The source you gave also stated Putin is so ill , can die but hes 100X more healthier than Biden. Putin is a genius of a leader, he has changed the balance of power in the world for good now.

3. Volunteer? Are you saying Ukraine did not ask or demand Ukrainian women to fight and its their choice alone? I have evidence which suggests otherwise.

4. You agree with attacking Crimean bridge which was also used by civilians but call Russians attacking similar facilties as a war crime? You cant have it both ways.

5. Russia hasnt been defeated in a SINGLE area. They withdrew themselves. So I ask again when will Ukraine win to send EVERY SINGLE RUSSIAN soldier back to Russia? A month will do.
 
cpleigh said:
They may need all they have after what they've just done.

We are in article 5 territory now. A direct attack on poland
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You stated they only have 150

From a MSM source

Russia fired roughly 100 missiles in what Ukraine’s energy minister called the largest coordinated strike on the country’s power system since the war began, but Ukraine said it shot most dow
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https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/11/14/world/russia-ukraine-war-news-g20

50 left only or would you like to recalculate?

Nato aint doing anything lol. The US and its poodles only attack small nations with no nukes. The BEAR is too fearsome for the LGBT liberals.
 
According to Kyrylo Tymoshenko, deputy head of President Zelensky’s office, Russia launched over 90 missiles, of which 73 were shot down.

'It's informational chaos' - senior Polish source
As we've been reporting, a Russian missile has reportedly killed two people after striking a Polish village near the Ukrainian border.

A senior source in the Polish prime minister's office has told the BBC: "It's informational chaos."

"I have no certainty and I cannot confirm anything," the source said.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-asia-63593855

Imo this seems like a desperate attempt by Ukrainians to get others involved. Even they cannot confirm anything regarding the Polish village.

It has been stated by Russia many Poles are fighting with the Nazis of Ukraine, so this could be an attack on their hiding areas inside Poland, which Russia is fully entitled to target.
 
Reddy said:
Missiles struck all these regions:

— Kyiv
— Kyiv region
— Sumy
— Sumy region
— Kharkov
— Kharkiv region
— Kremenchug
— Cherkassy
— Zaporozhye
— Krivoy Rog
— Kirovohrad
— Dnepropetrovsk
— Nikolaev
— Nikolaev region
— Odessa
— Odessa region
— Vinnitsa
— Zhytomyr
— Khmelnytsky
— Ternopil
— Chernivtsi
— Ivano-Frankivsk
— Lviv
— Lviv region
— Kovel
— Rivne
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Ive just checked all latest info. Wow! Russia has truly hit Ukraine very very hard. Its about time from their POV.

Lets hope Ukraine and Europe stop listening to the Yanks and surrender now.
 
<b>Pentagon says can't confirm Russian missiles struck inside Poland</b>

WASHINGTON, Nov 15 (Reuters) - The Pentagon said on Tuesday it could not confirm reports that Russian missiles have crossed into Poland near the Ukraine border.

"We are aware of the press reports alleging that two Russian missiles have struck a location inside Poland near the Ukraine border.

“I can tell you that we don't have any information at this time to corroborate those reports and are looking into this further," Pentagon spokesperson Brig. Gen. Patrick Ryder told a news briefing.

Firefighters in Poland said on Tuesday two people died in an explosion in Przewodow, a village in eastern Poland near the border with Ukraine.

Polish Radio ZET reported earlier that two stray missiles hit Przewodow on Tuesday, killing two people, without giving any more details.
 
If the attack on Polish territory is true then this has just majorly escalated.
 
Reading reports it looks like those missiles were first damaged/attacked by Ukraine then strayed into Polish areas.

Whatever Russian planning has been even they're not this stupid to attack a NATO state. Right now, aside from hitting Ukraine daily, they gain nothing by more escalation.
 
Russia has denied statements from Polish media outlets and officials that Russian missiles fell on the Polish village of Przewodó near the Ukrainian border.

The Russian ministry of defence posted on its Telegram, calling the reports "a deliberate provocation in order to escalate the situation".

"No strikes were made against targets near the Ukrainian-Polish state border by Russian means of destruction," the statement said.It said missile fragments from the scene, reportedly filmed by Polish media, did not relate to Russian weapons.
 
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