The Russian invasion of Ukraine

[bones]

Latest article on the conflict in Ukraine by the BBC.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-63408506

"This is where the craziness of the Russian command is most evident," Mr Zelensky said in his nightly address from Kyiv. "Day after day, for months, they are driving people to their deaths there, concentrating the highest level of artillery strikes."

Well this is correct, they are using a lot of artillery and that's because it's a well fortified position.

"Analysts say the city has little military value in itself, though if it were to fall, it would bring other cities back within range of Russian artillery and help change the narrative of a conflict in which Moscow's forces have been gradually retreating."

Look at the contradiction in this statement. It has little military value they say but then follow it up by immediately saying that it would bring other cities within artillery range. This is the garbage they keep feeding the public.

It is very clear why this is an important town to take. I spent 15 seconds and maybe if the BBC did as well they would understand it's much more simple to take Kramatorks and Slovianks from the south than east or north. After Bakhmut there is around 15-20 miles of open terrain so break Bakhmut and then it becomes far easier. I'm not a military expert but even I can see this froma quick scan of maps. Again more lies from MSM to spin the narrative that Russia are clueless and don't know what they are doing.

"But officials in Kyiv have warned that Russian forces are digging in around the city, while intercepted radio reports suggest that newly "mobilised" Russian recruits have been sent there to shore up defences."

But Kyiv and western MSM told us that Ukraine would be able to take Kherson and then later even move towards Crimea. Surely some defences from an "incompenent" and "poorly equipped" Russian army in Kherson will be easy for this "amazing" and "well equipped" Ukrainian army?

I also recall the MSM telling us a week ago, Russia were evacuating civilians from Kherson because they were planning to retreat. So which is it BBC and Ukraine? Are the Russians retreating or are they battening down the hatches?

 

[bones]

Here is more questionable reporting from MSM.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/22/europe/russia-anti-tank-fortification-intl/index.html

"Although the fortification could help defend against a frontal attack, there’s nothing stopping Ukrainian forces from just travelling around the fortifications, which only stretch 1.6 kilometers or just over a mile."

There is no mention from CNN about the Ukranian trenches, hundreds and hundreds of them all over the Donbas and southern Ukraine. They have even shown videos of them themselves when reporting on the non-stop artillery bombardment.

Basically when Russia do it, it's a waste of time, but when Ukraine do the exact same thing not a word. Is it any wonder why you guy constantly here me moan about MSM.

 

[bones]

Whilst Douglas Macgregor is not the most reliable source, he's definitely more reliable than all MSM. A very interesting article from him.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/playing-at-war-in-ukraine/

A couple key comments:

"The Russian sledgehammer scheduled to fall on the Zelensky regime in the November or December timeframe, or whenever the ground freezes, will crush whatever remains of Ukrainian forces."

This part everyone knows is coming, the mobilised forces of Russia are almost ready to join in. Unlike what MSM tells us, these are well trained and equipped reservists and not your local dentist or farmer.

"The questions of how much ground combat operations in Eastern Europe and Ukraine would demand in terms of U.S. manpower, logistical infrastructure, ammunition, medical support, and evacuation are relegated to secondary consideration."

Precisely - people who think that NATO could quickly and easily join in and save Ukraine haven't got a grasp of how these things work. America who are on the other side of the world would need months of preparation if not more to join effectively. How are they going to do that when they are suffering financial chaos at home?

 

[Gilly]

Basically when Russia do it, it's a waste of time, but when Ukraine do the exact same thing not a word. Is it any wonder why you guy constantly here me moan about MSM.

Yes your moaning about MSM is like sitting next to a baby on a long plane flight. Why is it necessary for you to continue to moan about MSM on here all the time. Why don't you write letters to the said MSM and complain to them. They don't read the posts here so your message is not being heard by anyone that cares.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Another historic speech.

Western leaders are very dumb compared to this man, hes a genius.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Ukraine names kyiv street after neo-Nazis

A street once named after a Soviet marshal who liberated parts of Ukraine from the Nazis now honors the Azov Battalion

A kyiv street previously named after Soviet Marshal Rodion Malinovsky was officially renamed on Wednesday to celebrate the “heroof the notorious Azov Battalion, many of whose members openly proclaim neo-Nazi ideology.

According to the unit’s website, the renaming ceremony was attended by representatives of Kyiv City Council and the Obolon district administration.

Also present were members of the battalion itself. Its founder and first commander, Andrey Biletsky, nicknamed the “White Sovereign” by his neo-Nazi compatriots, explained that the street’s new name, “Hero of the Azov Regiment”, is “mainly on those who will not return” and those “who are in captivity”.

https://goodwordnews.com/ukraine-na...-nazis-rt-russia-and-the-former-soviet-union/

Nazis are being glorified again by Ukraine.

Strange since most have been killed by Russian troops.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Yes your moaning about MSM is like sitting next to a baby on a long plane flight. Why is it necessary for you to continue to moan about MSM on here all the time. Why don't you write letters to the said MSM and complain to them. They don't read the posts here so your message is not being heard by anyone that cares.

Its important to point out western medias reporting on his conflict has mainly been lies and propaganda. If you have an issue with this, please explain why this media is accurate?

It shows why so many supporters of Nato/West are totally confused, many felts months ago Russia has lost, Russia has no missiles etc. Western media is making fools of people.

 

[SalimBhai]

Same could be said of Russia. Russian media was saying they will end the war in a week. And here we are

 

[Technics 1210]

Its important to point out western medias reporting on his conflict has mainly been lies and propaganda. If you have an issue with this, please explain why this media is accurate?

It shows why so many supporters of Nato/West are totally confused, many felts months ago Russia has lost, Russia has no missiles etc. Western media is making fools of people.

Exactly, and it was MSM and Western governments that blocked alternative news on the war just to control the narrative! Free Speech they claim.

I seriously hope Musk lifts the ban the likes of Trump, RT, and any other user who has a different view and perspective from the Western narrative.

Time to get the Popcorn out. Winter combined with controversy and liberal meltdowns!

Cannot wait!

 

[KingKhanWC]

Same could be said of Russia. Russian media was saying they will end the war in a week. And here we are

Do you have a link to this?

Russia did make mistakes but not serious mistakes because they are winning in a handsome manner against the wests proxy war. But I cant recall any Russian official stating this?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Exactly, and it was MSM and Western governments that blocked alternative news on the war just to control the narrative! Free Speech they claim.

I seriously hope Musk lifts the ban the likes of Trump, RT, and any other user who has a different view and perspective from the Western narrative.

Time to get the Popcorn out. Winter combined with controversy and liberal meltdowns!

Cannot wait!

I hope Musk allows all freedom of speech. People have the choice to read or not. Just as they do on this forum but here you will see when no argument is left, to stop the conversation, aka lost the debate.

The misinformation and propaganda in this conflict by western media is on another level, never seen in history.

Most westerners have no clue what the truth is. Imagine a people thinking Putin is a mad man , when his talks, actions and change have shown this man is a genius.

 

[SalimBhai]

Ask bones. He was going on about it since day one how Russia will be done come day 7. So was the alternative media. Russia has the upper hand for now. Let’s see down the road.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

West has bitten its nose off to spite the facs

 

[Junaids]

Ask bones. He was going on about it since day one how Russia will be done come day 7. So was the alternative media. Russia has the upper hand for now. Let’s see down the road.

I don’t see how Russia has “the upper hand”.

They already held Crimea and half of Donbas before this invasion.

In this invasion they have barely added any territory at all, but have lost 50% of their best soldiers, 80% of their advanced weaponry and have seen their logistics collapse completely.

Russia have been defeated outside Kyiv and at Kharkiv, and now they are about to lose Kherson.

They have run out of precision missiles so they are using surface-to-air and ship-to-ship missiles against land targets.

Their lack of modern missiles and their lack of money and manufacturing technology means that they are reduced to buying low-tech lightweight drones from Iran which have zero military utility and serve only to terrorise civilians.

The mass deaths and injuries of Russia’s highest quality soldiers has led them to call up untrained and unfit Russians with no military experience and to pressgang visiting Central Asian citizens into unwanted Russian military service.

And now Russia is reduced even lower, to importing mercenaries from Afghanistan and Syria.

And that is having the upper hand? Wow, imagine what losing would look like!

 

[Junaids]

Russia has been living behind its means for years, using nuclear weapons it inherited from a superpower to blackmail its neighbours.

Russia’s economy is the same size as Australia (which has 1/6 the population) and Iran (which has just over 1/2 the population).

The UK has an economy 50% bigger - with half the population. Even Canada has an economy 20% bigger - with one third of Russia’s population.

Russia posing as a major power is a bit like Sheffield Wednesday or a Sunderland demanding entry into the European SuperLeague because they used to be in the top division thirty years ago.

The Emperor has no clothes. Russia is just a poor, backward country which is running out of weapons which it inherited but lacks the money or technology to replace.

 

[MenInG]

The Ukrainian authorities have warned people in the capital Kyiv to expect longer power cuts, lasting more than four hours, because of Russian attacks on energy infrastructure.

Rolling blackouts are hitting not only Kyiv but also central regions of Ukraine, including the city of Dnipro.

President Volodymyr Zelensky said about four million people were affected but "shelling will not break us".

This month Russia launched dozens of missiles and Iranian-made drones.

Ukraine's energy infrastructure is being pounded by the air attacks - Mr Zelensky says about a third of the country's electric power stations have been destroyed.

The Kyiv region has lost 30% of its power capacity, the private energy company DTEK says, meaning "unprecedented" power cuts will be necessary.

"Unfortunately the scale of restrictions is significant, much larger than it was before," said DTEK director Dmytro Sakharuk.

The power cuts have meant curbs on the use of street lights and electric-powered public transport, besides the discomfort in people's homes.

BBC

 

[bones]

Ask bones. He was going on about it since day one how Russia will be done come day 7. So was the alternative media. Russia has the upper hand for now. Let’s see down the road.

Me saying it is not the same as the Russian military commanders saying something.

However I was wrong because I did not expect the support from nato that Ukraine has had. Billions upon billions pouring into the country has given Ukraine false hope.

The Ukrainians lost a long time ago, all this support from the west is just delaying the inevitable concession which initially could have been a negotiation.

 

[bones]

One thing in really interested to read up on but can't find anything online is the reaction of western countries hosting Ukrainian refugees. I'm pretty sure people hosting refugees are fed up by now, why no news about it?

 

[cpleigh]

One thing in really interested to read up on but can't find anything online is the reaction of western countries hosting Ukrainian refugees. I'm pretty sure people hosting refugees are fed up by now, why no news about it?

Maybe because their not fed up?

 

[bones]

Ukraine expect longer power outages. It will take time and money to restore what has been damaged by which time Russia will have destroyed more. I wonder given the situation in Europe how they expect to provide Ukraine which energy when usually the Ukranians provide Europe with a lot of it.

It's getting colder and colder so I wonder how Ukraine and the west expect to deal with it on the ground across that huge frontline.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63435586

 

[Technics 1210]

Vitali Klitschko’s plea to West: ‘Send blankets and generators or we’ll freeze to death’

Ukrainians will freeze to death this winter if the West does not urgently send blankets and generators to keep them warm, Vitali Klitschko has said.

The 51-year-old mayor of Kyiv, and former heavyweight boxing champion of the world, told The Telegraph that increasing Russian attacks on power plants have left his country on the brink of a fresh humanitarian crisis.

“We are doing everything we can do to save the lives of our people and to protect them,” he said, banging his huge fists on the table.

“But this winter will definitely be a huge challenge for us.”

In little over a fortnight, Moscow’s strikes on power stations and the wider grid have left the country grappling with outages and questioning whether the system will survive the harsh winter months.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-n...os-plea-west-send-blankets-generators-freeze/

Instead of NATO sending billions to fund the war, how Bout NATO send the essentials?

 

[Junaids]

Fascinating articles on Twitter today.

Basically, it’s worse for Russia than we thought. Their entire Army has been wiped out. The 11th Army Corps from Kaliningrad, for example, has fewer than 100 of its 12,000 soldiers left.

Russia only has three remaining groups of troops:

1. The untrained conscripts..
2. The surviving quarter of the Wagner mercenaries.
3. The undisciplined Chechen thugs.

It’s extraordinary how an unwise war has decimated the Russian Army.

 

[Junaids]

Perceptive Darth Putin tweet today:

“The West's efforts to contain Russia to within Russia is imperialist attempt to limit Russian sovereignty to within Russia.”

 

[sweep_shot]

Vitali Klitschko’s plea to West: ‘Send blankets and generators or we’ll freeze to death’

Ukrainians will freeze to death this winter if the West does not urgently send blankets and generators to keep them warm, Vitali Klitschko has said.

The 51-year-old mayor of Kyiv, and former heavyweight boxing champion of the world, told The Telegraph that increasing Russian attacks on power plants have left his country on the brink of a fresh humanitarian crisis.

“We are doing everything we can do to save the lives of our people and to protect them,” he said, banging his huge fists on the table.

“But this winter will definitely be a huge challenge for us.”

In little over a fortnight, Moscow’s strikes on power stations and the wider grid have left the country grappling with outages and questioning whether the system will survive the harsh winter months.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-n...os-plea-west-send-blankets-generators-freeze/

Instead of NATO sending billions to fund the war, how Bout NATO send the essentials?

Those who support prolonging this war should foot these bills. Send them the invoices.

 

[Technics 1210]

Those who support prolonging this war should foot these bills. Send them the invoices.

Proof that NATO is only interested in war, and not humanity. 20 Billion from NATO for weapons which are no match against Iranian kamakaze paper drones, but not a single NATO penny to keep Ukrainians warm with a blanket.

On top of this, the mouth piece of NATO, MSM, has the majority of the West duped into believing NATO is the next messiah.

 

[cpleigh]

The Russians reckon we blew up the pipeline...

Britannia still rules the waves then? Oh and we blew up the black sea fleet today too.

 

[cpleigh]

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He's right. Their army that defends kallingrad has been wiped out

 

[KingKhanWC]

Oct 29 (Reuters) - Russia on Saturday suspended participation in a U.N.-brokered Black Sea grain deal after what it said was a major Ukrainian drone attack on its fleet in Crimea, dealing a blow to attempts to ease the global food crisis.

Russia's defence ministry said Ukraine attacked the Black Sea Fleet near Sevastopol on the annexed Crimean peninsular with 16 drones in the early hours of Saturday, and that British navy "specialists" had helped coordinate the "terrorist" attack.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...n-deal-ukraine-grain-exports-tass-2022-10-29/

Another backfire by Europe.

 

[KingKhanWC]

He's right. Their army that defends kallingrad has been wiped out

BBC or CNN? OR Aunt Maggie?

Show some evidence or do you expect the world to believe you both?

 

[sweep_shot]

He's right. Their army that defends kallingrad has been wiped out

If they are all wiped out, how are they still fighting?

 

[cpleigh]

If they are all wiped out, how are they still fighting?

Are they?

 

[JaDed]

https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...blew-up-nord-stream-gas-pipelines-2022-10-29/

Russia says UK navy blew up Nord Stream, London denies involvement

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lol some of the things Russians say , things getting uglier between UK and Russia

 

[Gilly]

Its important to point out western medias reporting on his conflict has mainly been lies and propaganda. If you have an issue with this, please explain why this media is accurate?

It shows why so many supporters of Nato/West are totally confused, many felts months ago Russia has lost, Russia has no missiles etc. Western media is making fools of people.

You are free to moan all you like about the media in the west, it won't get you killed or disappeared will it.

Are you in total agreement with the propaganda emanating from Russia, I'm not calling you a hypocrite but oyu do not have a balanced moan.

 

[Junaids]

He's right. Their army that defends kallingrad has been wiped out

BBC or CNN? OR Aunt Maggie?

Show some evidence or do you expect the world to believe you both?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davida...-they-went-to-ukraine-to-die/?sh=7a00b2903375

 

[Junaids]

The Russians reckon we blew up the pipeline...

Britannia still rules the waves then? Oh and we blew up the black sea fleet today too.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...blew-up-nord-stream-gas-pipelines-2022-10-29/

Russia says UK navy blew up Nord Stream, London denies involvement

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lol some of the things Russians say , things getting uglier between UK and Russia

I hope we did.

Blowing it up ensures that various EU nations can’t go wobbly and seek a settlement to allow them to go back to using Russian gas.

There has been a clear passing of the baton as the US mid-term elections approach. The UK is taking a leading role in helping Ukraine to defend itself, arguably ahead of the USA.

It’s good politics too: enough of the conservative-leaning electorate is proud and positive about standing up to Russian aggression. It offsets the cost of living issues.

 

[Technics 1210]

US President Joe Biden has denounced Russia's decision to suspend the UN-brokered Black Sea grain deal, slamming it as "purely outrageous" and warning it would increase starvation.

Russia on Saturday collapsed the agreement that allows shipments of grain from Black Sea ports, claiming Ukraine attacked the Black Sea Fleet near Sevastopol on the annexed Crimean peninsula with 16 drones early on Saturday.

Russia's defence ministry accused British navy "specialists" of helping to coordinate the "terrorist" attack. But Britain said Russia's claims were false and aimed at distracting attention from Russian military failures.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-n...war-news-russia-attack-kherson-battle-latest/

 

[Technics 1210]

So it is confirmed, UK has now engaged in this war which means NATO is directly fighting Russia Now.

The gloves are off.

Expect Nuclear Drills and starvation in Europe.

 

[cpleigh]

So it is confirmed, UK has now engaged in this war which means NATO is directly fighting Russia Now.

The gloves are off.

Expect Nuclear Drills and starvation in Europe.

No it's not confirmed, just more Russian propaganda.

Stop being a cretin

 

[KingKhanWC]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davida...-they-went-to-ukraine-to-die/?sh=7a00b2903375

Very poor and false article.

Kalingrad has plenty of military, it hosts nukes and huge missiles. Some troops were moved out but the Russian defence agency has confirmed plenty is around for what is needed.

Kaliningrad is a Russian exclave between Poland and Lithuania on the Baltic coast. Russian defense officials confirmed on Thursday that newly mobilized draftees were being trained there.

https://www.defenseone.com/threats/...raftees-flood-regional-training-sites/377882/

Western media has left those who see it as gospel, clueless to the point its embarrasing to debate with.

 

[KingKhanWC]

So it is confirmed, UK has now engaged in this war which means NATO is directly fighting Russia Now.

The gloves are off.

Expect Nuclear Drills and starvation in Europe.

So stupid of UK to put its citizens at risk!

UK behind the bridge attack and also accused of Nord Stream attack. AS a British citizens is so sad to see the nation is still a poodle of the USA, doing its dirty work.

Those Brits who are egging on attacking Ukraine will be the first ones to hide if there was a war with RUssia.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You are free to moan all you like about the media in the west, it won't get you killed or disappeared will it.

Are you in total agreement with the propaganda emanating from Russia, I'm not calling you a hypocrite but oyu do not have a balanced moan.

This make no sense, I dont moan, I know its a load of propaganda nonsense and have known this since the Iraq war. Julian Assange in a dungeon has proven there is no freedom in the media if its against the western establisment and their imperial terrorist agendas.

My advice to you ,dont just listen to Channel 9 news or Sky News Australia but check various sources to make a conclusion. Dont be scared of Russian media, its more accurate than the BBC.

 

[bones]

So stupid of UK to put its citizens at risk!

UK behind the bridge attack and also accused of Nord Stream attack. AS a British citizens is so sad to see the nation is still a poodle of the USA, doing its dirty work.

Those Brits who are egging on attacking Ukraine will be the first ones to hide if there was a war with RUssia.

Maybe we should ask those brits who want to fight Russia to boot up and go over to help Ukraine first. They won’t because watching bbc and sky news from their homes is much safer.

The lunacy in all of this is that our armed forces are not capable of any large scale war like it once was. All of these nato countries except turkey and America are the same, all talk but little venom in reality.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Maybe we should ask those brits who want to fight Russia to boot up and go over to help Ukraine first. They won’t because watching bbc and sky news from their homes is much safer.

The lunacy in all of this is that our armed forces are not capable of any large scale war like it once was. All of these nato countries except turkey and America are the same, all talk but little venom in reality.

Sadly too many Brits are living in some fantasy past. This isnt the 1800's where Britain was a superpower, had the best navy and were the best at looting/killing others. In modern warfare its down to missile technology. Russia has the most advanced missile technology with hyper sonic missiles with maneuverability. SatanII can reach UK within mins and wipe us all out. Even with conventional warfare, apart from the SAS , UK troops are young lads acting like Rambo. We should be friends with Russia.

 

[cpleigh]

Maybe we should ask those brits who want to fight Russia to boot up and go over to help Ukraine first. They won’t because watching bbc and sky news from their homes is much safer.

The lunacy in all of this is that our armed forces are not capable of any large scale war like it once was. All of these nato countries except turkey and America are the same, all talk but little venom in reality.

Seriously... Bore off from your Mumbai bedroom. Stop asking about Brits. U have no idea

 

[Junaids]

As I have written previously, Russia has twice in the last 16 murdered civilians on the streets of England using chemical weapons.

Those two acts of war by Putin’s Russian government against the UK permit the UK to legally strike any Russian military targets at our convenience.

So even if the UK was involved in the drone attacks against Russian Navy facilities that would be retaliation, not escalation.

I would advise the half-witted bully Putin that it’s time he stopped making unnecessary enemies.

 

[Junaids]

So stupid of UK to put its citizens at risk!

UK behind the bridge attack and also accused of Nord Stream attack. AS a British citizens is so sad to see the nation is still a poodle of the USA, doing its dirty work.

Those Brits who are egging on attacking Ukraine will be the first ones to hide if there was a war with RUssia.

Actually it is the UK which is leading the opposition to Russia, with the USA following.

We have strong relationships with Poland Lithuania, not least because there are a million Poles in the UK and around 200,000 Lithuanians, not to mention 400,000 Romanians, 200,000 Hungarians and 150,000 Bulgarians.

That creates a voting bloc in lower middle-class and upper working-class constituencies which is conservative and vehemently anti-Russian.

In effect, people drone on about the Red Wall but it is the former Warsaw Pact’s immigrants in the UK which have underpinned successive Conservative election victories.

Biden knows Russia well, and so he has remained onside. But politically it is the UK leading the support of Ukraine.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Actually it is the UK which is leading the opposition to Russia, with the USA following.

We have strong relationships with Poland Lithuania, not least because there are a million Poles in the UK and around 200,000 Lithuanians, not to mention 400,000 Romanians, 200,000 Hungarians and 150,000 Bulgarians.

That creates a voting bloc in lower middle-class and upper working-class constituencies which is conservative and vehemently anti-Russian.

In effect, people drone on about the Red Wall but it is the former Warsaw Pact’s immigrants in the UK which have underpinned successive Conservative election victories.

Biden knows Russia well, and so he has remained onside. But politically it is the UK leading the support of Ukraine.

Again...ONE SatanII missile and you, along with I , London, York and the rest will be vaparised. Will be a bit late for Poles to come save our backsides.

Carrying out TERRORIST attacks on the Bridge and NordStream is disgusting. Give it a couple of years the British citizens will sadly suffer not by war by a broken economy and then MOST will not think like you but wil want peace and friendship.

 

[Junaids]

So stupid of UK to put its citizens at risk!

UK behind the bridge attack and also accused of Nord Stream attack. AS a British citizens is so sad to see the nation is still a poodle of the USA, doing its dirty work.

Those Brits who are egging on attacking Ukraine will be the first ones to hide if there was a war with RUssia.

Again...ONE SatanII missile and you, along with I , London, York and the rest will be vaparised. Will be a bit late for Poles to come save our backsides.

Carrying out TERRORIST attacks on the Bridge and NordStream is disgusting. Give it a couple of years the British citizens will sadly suffer not by war by a broken economy and then MOST will not think like you but wil want peace and friendship.

At this stage there is zero evidence that the UK blew up the Nord stream pipelines or has taken any other direct action in this war.

In terms of the bridge, by definition its destruction is not terrorism, it is legitimate military action.

The bridge was built and operated by an invading power which used it to transport troops and military equipment to occupied territory.

Attacking it is not terrorism, just as attacking the Black Sea fleet which lobs missiles at Ukrainian cities is not terrorism.

When Russia is winning its strategies are warfare. When it is losing the opposition’s strategies are “terrorism”.

Russia started this. We are just helping Ukraine to defend themselves and restore their sovereignty over illegally occupied territory.

 

[Technics 1210]

UK forces is nothing but a joke if it had to wait years to retaliate against the alleged Russian chemical attack in the UK.

This is the same UK intelligence that was caught forging a dossier again Trump.

Further sign and proof, the West is weak and on its knees.

Serves the West right, they started this, goading and attacking the Russians since post WW2.

 

[Technics 1210]

Again...ONE SatanII missile and you, along with I , London, York and the rest will be vaparised. Will be a bit late for Poles to come save our backsides.

Carrying out TERRORIST attacks on the Bridge and NordStream is disgusting. Give it a couple of years the British citizens will sadly suffer not by war by a broken economy and then MOST will not think like you but wil want peace and friendship.

British citizens are already suffering. Cost of living crisis, and now starvation is back on, given the stupidity of the UK in engaging directly with Russia.

The world, including Russia, is pushing for peace talks, but no, in true warmongering style, NATO says no.

War is big business for the West.

 

[Junaids]

UK forces is nothing but a joke if it had to wait years to retaliate against the alleged Russian chemical attack in the UK.

This is the same UK intelligence that was caught forging a dossier again Trump.

Further sign and proof, the West is weak and on its knees.

Serves the West right, they started this, goading and attacking the Russians since post WW2.

To be precise, the Trump dossier has never been disproved - it’s just that Trump denies it.

Much of the dossier has been proven - Trump’s 2016 election campaign’s links to Russia and the kompromat of Trump himself by the FSB and Russia.

British intelligence has been spot on about Trump, Russia and the Invasion of Ukraine.

The French and the Germans swallowed whole Russia’s denials that they were going to invade. Whereas the CIA for the USA and GCHQ/MI6 for the USA have got pretty much everything right, which is why Russia and their assets deny and dispute what they (correctly) report.

 

[KingKhanWC]

British citizens are already suffering. Cost of living crisis, and now starvation is back on, given the stupidity of the UK in engaging directly with Russia.

The world, including Russia, is pushing for peace talks, but no, in true warmongering style, NATO says no.

War is big business for the West.

Many are sadly still worried/scared to speak out but every week more and more are. The Russian gas will not come to Europe for maybe years now, this will only get worse. The UK government as stupid as it is, still buys energy from Russia but now stated this will too stop next year.

Maybe we need the Ukrainians to speak up.

It seems many are angry and want an end.

‘We’ll freeze to death’ Ukraine begs for blankets and generators to survive winter

https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...ts-to-survive-winter-Russia-energy-crisis-ont

According to some Ukraine is winning.

 

[Junaids]

British citizens are already suffering. Cost of living crisis, and now starvation is back on, given the stupidity of the UK in engaging directly with Russia.

The world, including Russia, is pushing for peace talks, but no, in true warmongering style, NATO says no.

War is big business for the West.

Power prices are rising far more than in Western Europe in spite of not significantly importing Russian energy.

This is due to the lobbying power of the British energy sector over the British government - it’s not a Russia v Ukraine issue.

And you cite “starvation” but it is Russia which is weaponising grain exports from Ukraine.

If anything, this is an argument for not letting Russia hold the world to ransom. It’s not an argument for letting them extort the world.

 

[Junaids]

Many are sadly still worried/scared to speak out but every week more and more are. The Russian gas will not come to Europe for maybe years now, this will only get worse. The UK government as stupid as it is, still buys energy from Russia but now stated this will too stop next year.

Maybe we need the Ukrainians to speak up.

It seems many are angry and want an end.



https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...ts-to-survive-winter-Russia-energy-crisis-ont

According to some Ukraine is winning.

The UK does not import energy from Russia - and when they did it was only 4% of the gas imports.

And obviously Ukraine is winning the war on the battlefield. The problem is that Russia is responding to their endless defeats by illegally attacking civilian targets, including the power grid.

The Russians are still losing on the battlefield. They are just destroying the civilian necessities for life which they originally pretended to be trying to defend and protect.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Power prices are rising far more than in Western Europe in spite of not significantly importing Russian energy.

This is due to the lobbying power of the British energy sector over the British government - it’s not a Russia v Ukraine issue.

And you cite “starvation” but it is Russia which is weaponising grain exports from Ukraine.

If anything, this is an argument for not letting Russia hold the world to ransom. It’s not an argument for letting them extort the world.

Even with so many sanctions against Russia for decades and worst ever in this conflict, Russia agreed to allow grain. Then the idiotic Ukrainians sent drones to attack the black sea fleet, failing miserably. Russia then retaliated. Please give all the info when making a point.

 

[Technics 1210]

Many are sadly still worried/scared to speak out but every week more and more are. The Russian gas will not come to Europe for maybe years now, this will only get worse. The UK government as stupid as it is, still buys energy from Russia but now stated this will too stop next year.

Maybe we need the Ukrainians to speak up.

It seems many are angry and want an end.



https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...ts-to-survive-winter-Russia-energy-crisis-ont

According to some Ukraine is winning.

Yeah it is true, anyone who speaks against NATO and the Ukraine war will swiftly be labelled a Russian applogist and asked to leave the country; but deep down it is obvious that most Brits don't care about the war anymore because there are bigger issues at hand - cost of living crisis etc. Many have reverted their profile pics too and are no longer standing in solidarity with Ukraine.

Yeah read about the blankets, posted link from DT in this thread and its clear, NATO have Billions for weapons but zilch for blankets. Sums up Ukraine losses in a nutshell.

Zelensky is a full time puppet, and even he must be thinking who is pulling his strings.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The UK does not import energy from Russia - and when they did it was only 4% of the gas imports.

And obviously Ukraine is winning the war on the battlefield. The problem is that Russia is responding to their endless defeats by illegally attacking civilian targets, including the power grid.

The Russians are still losing on the battlefield. They are just destroying the civilian necessities for life which they originally pretended to be trying to defend and protect.

Please do basic research.

LONDON, October 28. /TASS/. The UK government will impose a ban on the import of Russian liquefied natural gas from January 1, 2023. This is according to a statement the United Kingdom Foreign Office published on Friday.

https://tass.com/economy/1529391

Ukraine has failed to take back the 4 new Russian Federation lands. Ukrainians are begging for blankets now after begging for weapons. But to you this is winning.

 

[Junaids]

Even with so many sanctions against Russia for decades and worst ever in this conflict, Russia agreed to allow grain. Then the idiotic Ukrainians sent drones to attack the black sea fleet, failing miserably. Russia then retaliated. Please give all the info when making a point.

The Russian Black Sea fleet is every day lobbing missiles (mainly ship to ship due to a lack of remaining cruise missiles) at Ukrainian civilian and military targets.

That makes it a high priority military target.

But YOU are saying that the Black Sea fleet should be off limits and allowed to attack military and civilian targets at will as a price for Ukraine to be permitted to export grain.

 

[Technics 1210]

I think electric blankets are out the question though, given the energy crisis and all.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Yeah it is true, anyone who speaks against NATO and the Ukraine war will swiftly be labelled a Russian applogist and asked to leave the country; but deep down it is obvious that most Brits don't care about the war anymore because there are bigger issues at hand - cost of living crisis etc. Many have reverted their profile pics too and are no longer standing in solidarity with Ukraine.

Yeah read about the blankets, posted link from DT in this thread and its clear, NATO have Billions for weapons but zilch for blankets. Sums up Ukraine losses in a nutshell.

Zelensky is a full time puppet, and even he must be thinking who is pulling his strings.

Good opportunity for the supporters and cheerleaders of War whether its Ardern , Kiwis, Aussies, English, Germans or Yank citizens to send blankets. They have no weapons but no excuse to send such products. But I guarantee you not a single one who supports Ukraine reading this will do.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The Russian Black Sea fleet is every day lobbing missiles (mainly ship to ship due to a lack of remaining cruise missiles) at Ukrainian civilian and military targets.

That makes it a high priority military target.

But YOU are saying that the Black Sea fleet should be off limits and allowed to attack military and civilian targets at will as a price for Ukraine to be permitted to export grain.

Ukraine can do what it likes but so can Russia. You agree with decades of sanctions against Russia but want Russia not to do anything similar in return?

 

[Technics 1210]

Good opportunity for the supporters and cheerleaders of War whether its Ardern , Kiwis, Aussies, English, Germans or Yank citizens to send blankets. They have no weapons but no excuse to send such products. But I guarantee you not a single one who supports Ukraine reading this will do.

No one supporting Ukraine has housed Ukrainian refugees, and we expect them to send blankets? Not happening. The cheer leaders are only cheering because this is the programmed and brainwashed response ordained by MSM.

 

[Junaids]

Ukraine has failed to take back the 4 new Russian Federation lands. Ukrainians are begging for blankets now after begging for weapons. But to you this is winning.

Ukraine can’t take back what they haven’t lost. Russia annexed lands they hadn’t even invaded.

But in all four “annexed” oblasts the Russians are losing land every day.

As for your blankets comment, it is absurd. As the Americans and Russians were liberating concentration camps they were liberating people who were starving and freezing.

Ukrainians are cold because the Russians are illegally blowing up civilian power stations. That doesn’t mean their opponent is winning - it means the Russians are an evil rabble of war criminals.

And ironically, the Russian trail of destruction does not make the Ukrainians want to negotiate, let alone secede. We are now seeing that it just solidifies Ukrainian hatred of Russia and now in Donbas we are seeing that over 80% of the people whom Russia claims want to be Russian actually now hate Russia.

The only part of Ukraine with any significant support for Russia is Crimea. And that means that the pro-Russian part of the Crimean population will almost certainly self ethnically- cleanse as we reach the point where Russia is withdrawing from Crimea.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Ukraine can’t take back what they haven’t lost. Russia annexed lands they hadn’t even invaded.

But in all four “annexed” oblasts the Russians are losing land every day.

As for your blankets comment, it is absurd. As the Americans and Russians were liberating concentration camps they were liberating people who were starving and freezing.

Ukrainians are cold because the Russians are illegally blowing up civilian power stations. That doesn’t mean their opponent is winning - it means the Russians are an evil rabble of war criminals.

And ironically, the Russian trail of destruction does not make the Ukrainians want to negotiate, let alone secede. We are now seeing that it just solidifies Ukrainian hatred of Russia and now in Donbas we are seeing that over 80% of the people whom Russia claims want to be Russian actually now hate Russia.

The only part of Ukraine with any significant support for Russia is Crimea. And that means that the pro-Russian part of the Crimean population will almost certainly self ethnically- cleanse as we reach the point where Russia is withdrawing from Crimea.

You have lost when you are not in control. Are Ukrainians in control of say Mariupol?

Power stations are legitimate targets when faced with terrorist attacks, ask the Americans.

Ukrainians want out, Nato puppet Zelensky doesnt. The window you keep talking of could be near him soon.

All 4 new Russian federations and the East of Ukraine are Russian supporters. Otherwise you cannot control such huge territory around 20% with so little troops without local backing and support.

Ill respond further when I can.

P.s Please send blankets to Ukraine.

 

[Technics 1210]

Ukraine can do what it likes but so can Russia. You agree with decades of sanctions against Russia but want Russia not to do anything similar in return?

Exactly. The West has embarked on global sanctions against nations that do not comply with the West since WW2. Sanctions that deprive nations of essentials, leading not just to economic destruction but the death of lives and livelihoods through starvation and displacement; but we should spare a thought about a coal power plant in Ukraine.

 

[Gilly]

This make no sense, I dont moan, I know its a load of propaganda nonsense and have known this since the Iraq war. Julian Assange in a dungeon has proven there is no freedom in the media if its against the western establisment and their imperial terrorist agendas.

My advice to you ,dont just listen to Channel 9 news or Sky News Australia but check various sources to make a conclusion. Dont be scared of Russian media, its more accurate than the BBC.

This is why it is hard to communicate with you. You assume that I watch C9 or Sky news or even the BBC. You then moan about what you watch on C9 or Sky news and BBC and feel the need to moan about it.

My advice to you is that you stop watching C9, Sky news and BBC because you are the only one watching them.

You get upset watching them and then go around telling other people that they should not watch them, it is you that needs to stop watching them.

 

[Junaids]

You have lost when you are not in control. Are Ukrainians in control of say Mariupol?

Power stations are legitimate targets when faced with terrorist attacks, ask the Americans.

Ukrainians want out, Nato puppet Zelensky doesnt. The window you keep talking of could be near him soon.

All 4 new Russian federations and the East of Ukraine are Russian supporters. Otherwise you cannot control such huge territory around 20% with so little troops without local backing and support.

Ill respond further when I can.

P.s Please send blankets to Ukraine.

You seem to have swallowed whole Putin’s talking points.

There have been multiple free elections in Ukraine and in Donbas in particular and we know precisely what drives the voters.

A majority in Donbas wanted assurances of equal treatment for Russian speakers and they are the people who elected Zelensky on that platform. His opponent wanted Ukrainian language to have primacy.

The Russians concocted the “mistreatment of Ukrainian Russian” lie as soon as their puppet a president was overthrown eight years ago. They used the same playbook in Georgia earlier.

The problem is that Zelensky IS a Russian Ukrainian and so the lie was exposed from the start.

The same stats used by Elon Musk - and provided by Russia - show that roughly half of Crimeans want to be Russian and around 20-25% of people in the four newly annexed oblasts also want to be Russian.

That’s not enough to change the sovereignty to Crimea, let alone Donetsk (22%) or Luhansk (24%) and certainly not Kherson (6%).

Of course the behaviour of the Russian Army just makes things worse. When they “liberate” a town or village they always do the same things - even in ethnic Russian areas.

1. They requisition the nicest houses for their officers, and trash them.

2. They let the soldiers systematically steal every washing machine in the village, and any other valuable devices that they can find.

3. They help themselves sexually to any women they find attractive.

It’s not exactly How to Win Friends and Influence People.

It’s how Russia manages to turn the people they pretend to be liberating into implacable enemies.

 

[MenInG]

Russia has launched massive missile strikes across Ukraine, including the capital Kyiv, causing power and water outages, Ukrainian officials say.

At least two blasts were reported in Kyiv. One resident told the BBC his district was now without electricity.

In the north-eastern city of Kharkiv, critical infrastructure facilities were hit, the local authorities said.

The strikes come after Russia blamed Ukraine for a drone attack on its Black Sea Fleet in the annexed Crimea.

On Monday morning, missile strikes were also reported in the central Vinnytsia region, as well as Dnipropetrovsk and Zaporizhzhia in the south-east, and Lviv in western Ukraine.

A facility at the Dnipro hydroelectric power plant in the Zaporizhzhia region was also reportedly hit.

In Kyiv, a facility which powers 350,000 apartments was damaged, with engineers urgently deployed to restore the supply.

It was not immediately known if there were any casualties.

BBC

 

[bones]

Russia has launched massive missile strikes across Ukraine, including the capital Kyiv, causing power and water outages, Ukrainian officials say.

Surely this is fake news? Russia ran out of missiles a long time ago...

Seriously though - there is not much Ukraine can do to stop these attacks and unless they come to the negotiation table they will suffer a lot more.

 

[mazkhan]

Surely this is fake news? Russia ran out of missiles a long time ago...

Seriously though - there is not much Ukraine can do to stop these attacks and unless they come to the negotiation table they will suffer a lot more.

This war has reached is conclusive end a stalemate , this war has now become pointless no side can hammer home any victory.

It's the Anglo saxons and the ukranian president who simply won't come to a negotiated surrender they will willingly let their own populace suffer and with the grain blockage cause a global grain shortage

 

[bones]

This war has reached is conclusive end a stalemate , this war has now become pointless no side can hammer home any victory.

I can see why you would say that but it's not a stalemate, not quite yet. The Russians are spreading out their mobilised forces and more and more are joining the frontlines. After the muddy season ends and tanks and armored vehicles can move again things will move again.

Russia will be victorious unless NATO joins in by sending thousands of soldiers and hundreds of aircraft. The Ukranians are being kept afloat economically and militarily by the west but how long can the west keep supporting them when their own economies are suffering right now too.

 

[Technics 1210]

I can see why you would say that but it's not a stalemate, not quite yet. The Russians are spreading out their mobilised forces and more and more are joining the frontlines. After the muddy season ends and tanks and armored vehicles can move again things will move again.

Russia will be victorious unless NATO joins in by sending thousands of soldiers and hundreds of aircraft. The Ukranians are being kept afloat economically and militarily by the west but how long can the west keep supporting them when their own economies are suffering right now too.

But "it is a price worth paying" according to NATO supporters who only care about white Europeans.

Russia is already victorious. Economic trade is up 30% with China alone, while Ukraine is pleading for blankets, and NATO weapons are proving to be fruitless, and BRICS+ is in full flow.

Maybe the EU should step in and flex its Single Largest Market malarky by providing Ukraine blankets, oh wait, EU is rationing energy.

 

[bones]

Laughable propaganda. "Putin's 'private army' recruiting convicts 'with HIV and hepatitis C'".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6pp2Xpg5sM

 

[bones]

"Lithuania readies for a Russian assault if Ukraine falls"

But Lithuania is a part of NATO, surely NATO members talk to each other and know how it's going out on the battlefield. If Ukraine are winning or Russia are losing then what does Lithuania have to worry about? It doesn't add up.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmsoQ3cUUjE

 

[bones]

Ukraine shoot down 44 out of 50 missiles according to Ukrainian reports. But why then are there also reports of successfull attacks all over Ukraine including cities like Dnipro, Kyiv, Zporazhoia etc. Once again the propaganda is off the charts.

https://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-air-defense-forces-shoot-100300548.html

 

[ex-q-zit]

Russia faces 'severe consequences' if Vladimir Putin uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine, foreign secretary says

Russia faces "severe consequences" if Vladimir Putin chooses to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine, the foreign secretary has said.

James Cleverly told the Commons: "The house will have noted Putin's irresponsible talk about nuclear weapons, and absurd claim that Ukraine plans to detonate a radiological dirty bomb on its own territory.

"No other country is talking about nuclear use. No country is threatening Russia or President Putin.

"He should be clear that for the UK and our allies, any use at all of nuclear weapons would fundamentally change the nature of this conflict. There would be severe consequences for Russia."

Mr Cleverly also urged Russia not to impede grain exports, saying Mr Putin was "exacting vengeance" on civilians in Ukraine and low-income countries around the world for his "military failures".

"At the weekend, Russia suspended its participation in the Black Sea grain initiative, which has allowed the exportation of 100,000 tonnes of food every day, including to some of the least developed countries in the world," he said.

"Putin is exacting vengeance for his military failures on the civilians of Ukraine by cutting off their power and water supply, and on the poorest people in the world by threatening their food supplies."

'Increasingly desperate statements'

The foreign secretary said "increasingly desperate statements" from the Kremlin were designed to distract from its faltering war effort.

He made the remark after Russia's defence ministry claimed Royal Navy personnel blew up the Nord Stream gas pipelines last month - a story the Ministry of Defence said was "invented".

The Kremlin also claimed "British specialists" directed Ukrainian drone strikes on ships in the Black Sea Fleet in the Crimean city of Sevastopol early on Saturday.

Without referring to the claims directly, he said: "Now the Kremlin is resorting to peddling false claims, churning out
invented stories that say more about the fractures within Russia's government than they do about us."

SKY

 

[Reddy]

The result of missile strikes

The following regions and cities were hit:
- Kiev
- Dnepropetrovsk
- Vinnitsa
- Zaporozhye
- Poltava
- Kharkiv
- Kirovograd

Attacks on important objects:
- CHPP-5 (Kiev)
- CHPP-6 (Kiev)
- Lviv CHP (Lviv)
- Kremenchug HPP
- Dneprovskaya HPP
- Novodnestrovskaya HPP

Metro in Kiev and Kharkov stopped. There is no electricity.

In many cities of Ukraine there are problems with water supply and electricity. In Kiev, the power plant that feeds 350,000 apartments was damaged.

 

[Technics 1210]

Joe Biden ‘lost temper at Volodymyr Zelensky over ingratitude for US aid’

Joe Biden reportedly lost his temper and raised his voice on the phone with Volodymyr Zelensky when he “did not show enough gratitude” after the US president signed off on $1 billion worth of military assistance.

During a phone call in June, Mr Biden turned testy when Mr Zelensky began listing what else Kyiv needed and was not getting shortly after the US president announced the aid package, NBC News reported.

The commander-in-chief is said to have briefly lost his patience and reminded Mr Zelensky that “the American people were being quite generous” and stressed that the White House and the US military were doing all they could to help Ukraine in its war with Russia.

The president’s frustrations were said to have been rising for weeks before the June 15 call, with Mr Biden confiding to aides that he believed his administration was pulling out all the stops to help its ally, but that Mr Zelensky continued to focus on what was not being done.

A spokesman for the National Security Council declined to comment on NBC’s story. A spokesman for Mr Zelensky’s office also did not respond to a request for comment.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-n...temper-volodymyr-zelensky-ingratitude-us-aid/

 

[sweep_shot]

Joe Biden ‘lost temper at Volodymyr Zelensky over ingratitude for US aid’

Joe Biden reportedly lost his temper and raised his voice on the phone with Volodymyr Zelensky when he “did not show enough gratitude” after the US president signed off on $1 billion worth of military assistance.

During a phone call in June, Mr Biden turned testy when Mr Zelensky began listing what else Kyiv needed and was not getting shortly after the US president announced the aid package, NBC News reported.

The commander-in-chief is said to have briefly lost his patience and reminded Mr Zelensky that “the American people were being quite generous” and stressed that the White House and the US military were doing all they could to help Ukraine in its war with Russia.

The president’s frustrations were said to have been rising for weeks before the June 15 call, with Mr Biden confiding to aides that he believed his administration was pulling out all the stops to help its ally, but that Mr Zelensky continued to focus on what was not being done.

A spokesman for the National Security Council declined to comment on NBC’s story. A spokesman for Mr Zelensky’s office also did not respond to a request for comment.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-n...temper-volodymyr-zelensky-ingratitude-us-aid/

Wow!

Ukrainian leader wants all countries to help them indefinitely.

The war needs to stop now so that all countries can stop harming their economies.

 

[Technics 1210]

Wow!

Ukrainian leader wants all countries to help them indefinitely.

The war needs to stop now so that all countries can stop harming their economies.

It will never happen though, at some point NATO economies will say, enough is enough Ukraine, we are already bankrupt.

This war can end if Zelensky agrees to face to face talks with Putin (which Putin has offered many times), thus far Zelensky is refusing, so frankly and logically, Zelensky is prolonging this war because of his greed and lust for Western money. You couldn’t expect anymore from a comedian.