Actually all the participants of Wargames were told about it either right before the match or afterwards.
Jericho definitely. Mox - don't care.
Hardy Boyz return?
No idea but Matt's return looks unlikely unless it's a one off only. Why would WWE want him as a wrestler, he has lost all his appeal and even Jeff isn't able to hide him.
I actually find it surprising how Randy openly welcomed him at Survivor Series with a smile. Punk talked a lot of stuff about Randy that he could have perceived as demeaning like him getting special treatment from Vince for doing drugs etc. But seems like Randy is well past his younger years and is a much more composed guy and non diplomatic. Like he said he was insecure back then but saying he hated Punk back then is a strong word for it.
Also talking about punches, RVD had some of the worst punches alongside Shane o Mac I recall.
Yeah I was just kidding. I don't think anyone wants to see the broken down Hardy Boyz jump off ladders 2024. They should do everyone a favor and retire. Everytime Jeff wrestles I feel like his entire body is crying out in pain.
The most interesting thing about this video was how these guys didn't like each other until management made them sit down, squash their beef and then they didn't have a problem. That is how it happens in the wrestling business. Too bad Tony has not been able to get this through his thick skull.
Mox would have to get really sick of AEW to leave. Right now, Tony has given him everything he has ever asked for and then some. He is one of the closest things Tony has to a top guy. But then again, you never know, anything can happen in the wrestling business. And Triple H was a fan of his.
I dunno when they were told exactly, it was just something Ariel Helwani mentioned on the interview the other day
Yeah I've been getting that too. But a match, I'm not so sure about that.
Yup. I agree the culture is horrible backstage. You have a bunch of guys who have only ever been successful on the indies thinking they are the sh*t, believing their own hype way too much. And the sense of entitlement and arrogance is just astonishing. I think Dax even mentioned that when he and Cash came in, Jack Perry was not happy to see them because he thought that him and Cash were going to come in and change up his whole style and, and try to make him someone he’s not.
AEW seems like the perfect place for Mox. He's too much of a deathmatch nut to go to WWE I feel. He even mentioned how WWE didn't let him do alot of stuff he proposed involving weapons and tables. Which is a shame because I think he came be a really good wrestler when he wants to and I rate him very highly as a promo. He had the promo and character aspect down long before Roman or Seth ever did. But his problem is that he is too indie-minded. I mean going to GCW and working a match with the drug-addicted bank robber Nick Gage, while you're the AEW World Champion? Like seriously?
Yeah the funniest thing for me is that he is still employed. I think Jericho had a match with him where he was trying to show The Elite that he was in their camp after the Punk deal. But since then I haven't seen him anywhere.‘I rather choke on greatness then starve on mediocrity.’
‘The press scrum for sure is a top 3 CM Punk promo.’
You are absolutely spot on, if the shoe was on the foot, e.g. Punk’s contract situation, AEW wouldn’t have missed the oppourtunity, the AEW fans would eat it up. If Punk showed up on RAW on the flip side he would be deemed the spawn of satan.
And lets not forget the piece of crap the Cobana is, and he’s not even employed by AEW as it stands!
And I meant I think Punk was in a happy place during the MJF program and the initial 6 months, but after that the wheels started to fall off in that regard. I absolutely agree every program he was in, was worth its weight in gold, there is not one bad match, not one bad promo, not one bad segment and as you say Collision was amazing when he was the booker, I was fascinated by his idea of what a good wrestling product should be and his thinking behind it, those comments may get lost in the shuffle but he has a great mind for the business and it was humbling to see how willing he is to learn from his peers even at this stage of his career and they make this man out to be an egomaniac, he’s a student of the game and even when he went sour on the business, he never prostituted the industry.
Collision was the best wrestling show on TV for those few weeks or was it a month? so you can understand my disgust with AEW when things unravelled because that show was everything I looked for in an alternative to WWE, it was a throwback to territory booking but amplified with modern adjustments, with a special talent masterminding the rise of that show because it put the business end at the front and centre of its goals.
Update: They are friends again.
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did he just find out these names via wikipedia or google? because this elementary stuff, as a promoter you need to handle your sh!t and those guys certainly did, they didn’t want to make friends with the locker room and hide from conflict when it arrived, also getting wrestlers to deal with this sh!t is the dumbest thing you can do
I didn't but that's a really funny jab
Don't they have a PPV in Germany too? Maybe he was alluding to that. Personally, my bet is on SummerSlam. Because at the end of the day he did tore his triceps and 6 months is considered a quick recovery from that kind of injury. I also think that this being WWE, they will not clear him or let him get in the ring that easily. If it was AEW it would have been a different story
I really don't know with Mox. Because he seems to be content doing what he likes as opposed to being in the biggest company...he just seems like someone with a different outlook on things. He says he hasn't even watched WWE ever since he left the place. That's a very serious kind of dislike. Not that I blame him, since he was used very poorly during the last few years and suffered alot of mental anguish as well due to his injury and the infection he suffered as a result of it.
No basically treated him like a jobber and was very stiff with him. It was the Kevin Nash and Scott Hall job where they 'put a guy over' after dominating 99% of the match.
It was the usual trying to tiptoe around their bias by trying to sound unbiased. The funny thing is that even they admitted that alot of the things that Punk said in this interview were right. That Tony leadership is questionable, he doesn't know how to deal with situations and that he should have quashed the Colt Cabana rumor when it started. Even Dave was not willing to defend Jungle Boy for the 'real glass' line.@RedwoodOriginal How is old boy Dave Meltzer and his buddy Alvarez
These guys are a cancer, equally responsible for AEW’s misgivings
and went on a small tirade about how Punk didn't think he was such a goof when he came into AEW and called him up trying to understand ratings.
Yeah that's complete B.S. There's nothing he does that is in any way comparable to those guys. Booking-wise or in terms of dealing with talent. I think Cornette even ripped on Tony for praising him lolTony is a big scammer, he loves to talk about Paul Heyman, Bill Watts, Verne Gagne and even Jim Cornette; how he watched them and how he learned from them
Yeah that's complete B.S. There's nothing he does that is in any way comparable to those guys. Booking-wise or in terms of dealing with talent. I think Cornette even ripped on Tony for praising him lol
I mean just imagine if Heyman had the money and resources that Tony has at his disposal. ECW would probably still be alive today.
It was the usual trying to tiptoe around their bias by trying to sound unbiased. The funny thing is that even they admitted that alot of the things that Punk said in this interview were right. That Tony leadership is questionable, he doesn't know how to deal with situations and that he should have quashed the Colt Cabana rumor when it started. Even Dave was not willing to defend Jungle Boy for the 'real glass' line.
But ofcourse ultimately, Dave being Dave had to defend the California clique. He insisted that the Young Bucks did not spread that rumor or said anything about Punk to him (yeah right). Dave's most annoying habit is how he fixates on little things and there was alot of that here. Alvarez is more direct, which is why I don't dislike him as much.
Dave seemed offended by the 'goof with the 5 star rating line'
Their bias seemed most evident when Dave said he was surprised to know that Adam Page completely went off-script, which is just about the most unprofessional thing you can do in wrestling besides no-showing. But they didn't have any opinion on that for some reason.
Ah good shout with the dates pal. I didn't twig
They have released alot of DLCs to add more wrestlers to the game. I am yet to play it but I am contemplating getting it. Have you played? If so what are your thoughts on it?
I'm glad Roman didn't pick up any serious injury. I have seen a wrestler sprain his ankle in the exact same way tripping on the announce table cover.
I thought he was doing an arm drag
Jeff is still good and still very charismatic. But yes his wrestling style has taken toll on his body. There was a video in WWE years ago where he was seeing one of his old matches and he said, man i can't do these moves anymore cause my bodys all broken.
Jericho will definitely get the HOF induction soon. The only way trips can bury him with it will be to have him in the induction and not have him headline that class.
He's looks so broken down in his matches that its easy to confuse it as great selling. On top of that, the unsafe, untrained talent in AEW seems intent on killing him. Talking about Sammy Guevara ofcourse.
I don't know about the Maria thing. That seems a bit childish to be true. Alvarez is more about protecting certain members if the California clique because apparently he has wrestled some like Jungle Boy on the indies and knows others like Adam Page.
I'll give him that. He understands psychology and how to put together a match really well. The problem is the execution. Unless he's in the ring with a capable young talent or a Bryan Danielson, it doesn't work.
Will it drop? I'd like that because the game has been out long enough where they should consider doing this.
Yes the guy has a broken down body yet still gives his all. He has enough charisma and aura still to be the top AEW guy. He's a great seller though. But his match with Darby recently was pretty good. I just feel like he regrets going to AEW for WWE atm. And the manner in which he left WWE was very unprofessional. But Jeff is a living legend. Jeff is the sort of guy who doesn't even have to do anything and still be over as hell. In a way Jeff is sort of responsible for creating these pseudo daredevils. He himself was an outlier. He lived the daredevil gimmick but even then he was a safe wrestler. He would get himself beaten up but wouldn't hurt his opponents. These guys are simply cheap rip offs of Jeff. If I were him, I'd be nauseated to see these guys trying to be daredevils. Jeff's philosophy was always taking the bumps himself but he wouldn't hurt his opponents.
His problem is, he's become too self obsessed and thinks whatever he does will be super cool like he used to be back in the day. But him doing Lionheart gimmick now with a battered body and mind feels like self gratification and superfluous. And when he brings back the painmaker etc, which wasn't really a cool iteration, but he seems to think all of his ideas are super cool. That can happen when you are the only one among the roster full of dumbwits. But the thing is he isn't realizing that time has changed and he can't move like he used to. He's another one who did the best when he was given a check. Otherwise too much creativity ends up looking stupid.
Pretty sure Tony pleaded to Edge to do that cringe promo. Edge probably knows it was a lie himself. But that was an awful and unnecessary promo. Just tells you how insecure Tony is. He just wants everyone to be praising him regardless of what kind of show they are putting on.
Yeah and they mentioned how this time around he was putting alot more of himself into the character. Perhaps more than ever before. We wondered why he started disappearing from TV suddenly when they were building the storyline and apparently that was when he started suffering from his health issues, which eventually lead to his death.
Yes that was typical Vince garbage stuff. Maybe it was funny to Vince. Sami Zayn had to do that awful Lashley's sisters angle that was pathetic. But he dealt with it professionally and came out of the rut. FTR to me feels like people who think they need to be cherished before winning over others. They are fantastic tag team wrestlers, one of the best currently, but there's also New Day who've only been putting over others for last 4 years now. They aren't the complainers.
Yeah I have not heard enough great things about it, which is also why my excitement for it lessened considerably as compared to when it was in production.
He has to make a public reaction every time someone takes a jab at him. He's like a toy that everyone knows how to switch on and laugh at without Tony noticing that.
I haven't watched Dynamite yet but I heard Edge cut something of a cringe promo start the show. I will report back once I catch up with it.
Edge is in his AEW honeymoon phase right now. He's just come from WWE where they would use him for a couple of months and then send him home for another three. He just worked his dream feud with his best friend and has a level of creative freedom he has probably not always experienced in the past. So I can understand him even doing it out of his own volition.
I got it for my old Xbox recently , annoyingly now you can’t get the Tyson DLC because all the servers are offline lol
And its not like FTR have been booked like top guys (no pun intended) recently. They had to drop the belts in the most anti-climactic way possible and now they are seemingly getting ready to be buried by the Bucks again on PPV. They barely get any TV time. I can't even remember the last time they came in the ring and cut a promo. Like where is this love for coming from? Vince paid you alot of money too. That didn't mean you guys were being used in any meaningful way.
Didn't 13 have Punk on the cover?What did you make of WWE 13, the one that was meant to have Sheamus on the cover
I agree mate every year they get a friggin solid 7.5 or 8 from ign, and the machine keeps moving. A remaster would be special, Cody mentioned something along those lines to
Have you seen this? Even the wrestlers grew up playing thisWhat did you make of WWE 13, the one that was meant to have Sheamus on the cover
I agree mate every year they get a friggin solid 7.5 or 8 from ign, and the machine keeps moving. A remaster would be special, Cody mentioned something along those lines to
Yeah that is so stupid. The idea with the Lionheart gimmick is that he's supposed to be the high workrate cruiserweight 90s version of Chris Jericho that travelled the world plying his trade. But when he comes out and you see 50+ year old Jericho with the potbelly struggling to do a moonsault and it feels like a joke.
Didn't 13 have Punk on the cover?
I confuse them but I enjoyed the one where they had a whole heel faction of British wrestlers (Sheamus, Regal, Barrett, McIntyre) in the story mode and they brought back the European Championship. Now that's the kind of stuff you expect to see in wrestling games lol
Yeah I think we jumped to conclusions. Fair play to Dax.
