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shaz619 said:
See how s2 goes and I’d decide on that one, have they bought Morrison in yet? can’t recall which season that wasz

Wrestling Society X, is that where the best wrestle :yk3
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Yeah he came on towards the end of Season 1. I've heard some great and not so things about it. It is interesting though how many of the names on AEW and WWE have passed through there.

Wrestling Society X: the place that made a name out of Seth 'Cringe lord' Rollins before ROH or WWE.
 
You know I actually might just watch Wrestling Society X because its one season and it fascinates me that they literally came up with punk rock meets pro-wrestling as a show and got a bunch of wrestlers who looked like they could be in punk rock bands.
 
shaz619 said:
I think he is still happy there, he wouldn’t cope under the WWE schedule with his history of injuries.

Those who use to call him the best since sliced bread deserve this humiliation, he’s a merely a shadow now, at his best he doesn’t compare to Perry Saturn in terms of legacy.
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He's a great wrestler in my opinion. But when you talk about the all-time greats in this business longevity is kind of a pre-requisite. There's a reason why Ric Flair is referred to as the GOAT. And you just can't have it both ways in wrestling. You can't go out there and kill yourself in the ring...just destroy your body and not expect to be spend the rest of your life recovering from injuries. And he's 40 now which means his body is going to start getting ever more vulnerable. Unless he just does 6 man tag matches with the Young Bucks for the rest of his life, I don't see him having a very long career from here on out. How much singles matches has he even wrestled since coming back from his last injury 2 years ago?

If I were Tony I would be getting those dream matches out of the way as soon as possible. While I even can.
 
Watching some of Omega's matches have made me uncomfortable. Not because of anything going on in the ring, but because of some of the bumps he takes where he gets dropped on his head or the edge of his neck. Remember he took the Tiger Driver 91 against Ospreay which is a move where there isn't even any momentum or velocity pushing you in a direction. You're just getting dropped on your head straight. The human body is not supposed to hit wood like that...especially at force. Misawa had a career of taking bumps like that and getting dropped on his head, and it ended up taking his life, in the ring of all places.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
I am more interested as to when they sign Zilla Fatu. That brother is Muslim now. :moyo2 and also does a cool looking pop up samoan spike which looks better than Solo's
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I mean if you're a Samoan and related to a Samoan wrestler, its pretty much a matter of time before WWE signs you. Even freaking Manu got signed and placed in Legacy eventhough he was absolute rubbish.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Yes but in WWE wrestlers without promo skills and character work rarely get over. He was getting a multimillion dollar deal back in 2019 from WWE but he decided to go to AEW. I highly doubt WWE would offer him that much money or even want to sign him now. Kenny probably realizes that AEW is crashing now, and he's suddenly praising Roman and Punk. I don't think he ever praised Roman before.
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I dunno I don't read anything into him praising wrestlers. I have no reason to believe that he is fishing for a job in WWE either. AEW is the perfect place for him. He can do his thing, without getting any flak from anyone. The schedule is super light and even if he spends more than half of the year injured, its not like Tony will stop paying him or not offer him a huge contract whenever it comes up.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Yes but in WWE wrestlers without promo skills and character work rarely get over. He was getting a multimillion dollar deal back in 2019 from WWE but he decided to go to AEW. I highly doubt WWE would offer him that much money or even want to sign him now. Kenny probably realizes that AEW is crashing now, and he's suddenly praising Roman and Punk. I don't think he ever praised Roman before.
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I don't think WWE were that interested in him at that point. The only reason they offered him a big contract was so that AEW wouldn't have him. It's pretty standard monopolistic behavior whenever a potential competitor comes into the market. I don't think he would have gotten anywhere in WWE under Vince beyond being the IC Champion. Might be a different story under H but at 40 I don't see many years left in the tank from here on out.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Haven't seen him much so can't really say anything.
I think Solo is going to be a pawn for The Rock. Dwayne's gonna be leading the Bloodline now. Solo has no mic skills or character work to be a leader yet.
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Should The Rock really be the face of the Bloodline though? Especially if he is gone for like a year or whatever?

Let's see what they are cooking. I don't wanna jump to conclusions just yet. But personally I think Solo needs a little more time in NXT. Because he doesn't do it for me in the ring or on the mic. He been on the main-roster for close to a year now and his work hasn't gotten any better.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Yeah I think he has a much better chance of becoming a top guy in AEW, rather than WWE. Ricochet is more of a high-flyer though and not a good promo which is why he has been pigeonholed as the guy who does cool moves in a MITB match or just gives you a great 10 minute match on RAW. I think Ospreay might be more successful because he is a better promo. But the fundamental difference between WWE and AEW is that WWE is not looking for just incredible wrestlers. They want a complete package and if there isn't a complete package, the elements should be there where you can be molded into one.
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I agree but LU made Ricochet a star and got him hired by the WWE in the first place, then the latter wanted to go in a different direction, I’d have seen value in him with a mask. These days the most over thing about him is being Samantha Irvin’s boyfriend.
 

WWE RAW Lineup for April 15, 2024 Episode:​

  • Intercontinental Championship: Sami Zayn (c) vs. Chad Gable
  • Andrade vs. Dominik Mysterio
  • Candice LeRae and Indi Hartwell vs. Maxxine Dupri and Ivy Nile
  • Jey Uso vs. Finn Balor
  • Sheamus to return to RAW
  • Rhea Ripley to address Liv Morgan attack
  • Cody Rhodes to speak
  • Drew McIntyre to appear live
 
@shaz619 @BunnyRabbit alot of people talk about the best WrestleMania matches but what about the most underrated? I saw someone doing this online so I decided to copy it. For me its these matches:


Bret Hart v Roddy Piper - WrestleMania 8
Kurt Angle v Chris Benoit - WrestleMania X-7
Christian v Chris Jericho - WrestleMania XX
Evolution v Rock N' Sock Connection - WrestleMania XX
Eddie Guerrero v Rey Mysterio - WrestleMania 21
CM Punk v Randy Orton - WrestleMania 27
CM Punk v Chris Jericho - WrestleMania 28
AJ Styles v Shane McMahon - WrestleMania 33
Kevin Owens v Sami Zayn - WrestleMania 37
Cesaro v Seth Rollins - WrestleMania 37
 
shaz619 said:
I agree but LU made Ricochet a star and got him hired by the WWE in the first place, then the latter wanted to go in a different direction, I’d have seen value in him with a mask. These days the most over thing about him is being Samantha Irvin’s boyfriend.
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Yeah I can totally see him as a Tiger Mask-like superhero. Or even a successor of sorts to Rey Mysterio. I think a mask would make him unique and more special and he wouldn't even need to talk. Right now his lack of personality and promo ability makes him standout.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
@shaz619 @BunnyRabbit alot of people talk about the best WrestleMania matches but what about the most underrated? I saw someone doing this online so I decided to copy it. For me its these matches:


Bret Hart v Roddy Piper - WrestleMania 8
Kurt Angle v Chris Benoit - WrestleMania X-7
Christian v Chris Jericho - WrestleMania XX
Evolution v Rock N' Sock Connection - WrestleMania XX
Eddie Guerrero v Rey Mysterio - WrestleMania 21
CM Punk v Randy Orton - WrestleMania 27
CM Punk v Chris Jericho - WrestleMania 28
AJ Styles v Shane McMahon - WrestleMania 33
Kevin Owens v Sami Zayn - WrestleMania 37
Cesaro v Seth Rollins - WrestleMania 37
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@Suleiman
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
@shaz619 @BunnyRabbit alot of people talk about the best WrestleMania matches but what about the most underrated? I saw someone doing this online so I decided to copy it. For me its these matches:


Bret Hart v Roddy Piper - WrestleMania 8
Kurt Angle v Chris Benoit - WrestleMania X-7
Christian v Chris Jericho - WrestleMania XX
Evolution v Rock N' Sock Connection - WrestleMania XX
Eddie Guerrero v Rey Mysterio - WrestleMania 21
CM Punk v Randy Orton - WrestleMania 27
CM Punk v Chris Jericho - WrestleMania 28
AJ Styles v Shane McMahon - WrestleMania 33
Kevin Owens v Sami Zayn - WrestleMania 37
Cesaro v Seth Rollins - WrestleMania 37
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Warrior vs HHH , one of my all time favourites, doesn’t get enough credit

Hogan vs Warrior - I just think this match for the unified championship should be more appreciated, the big guys get stick but for more than 20 mins, these huge larger then life characters dug deep carrying all that muscle and found an extra gear or two to have a classic in my opinion

More controversial but Goldberg/Lesnar was actually a great match if you ignore the crowd

Big Show vs Akebono - This match might be a bit dumb but I was blown away in my youth for however long it lasted, it had my fam in fits, this is Wrestlemania man 😂

JBL vs Fit Finlay was hilariously good

Hogan vs McMahon

Reigns vs Lesnar 1, where one of them bladed

Reigns vs Taker, this was good outside that tombstone spot imo

I would put Jericho vs Christian but I think that is well regarded?

I also think that because of the quality of women's matches now, Trish vs Mickie James might become more and more obscure, those two deserve their flowers, fought for a singles match and it was such a great script written by Mickie herself and they delivered on the night, great match
 
Rollins and Bryan carried 4/10 to some of his better mania outings to
 
Big Show vs Floyd was as good as it possibly could be and Floyd took some bumps to.

Also, I really enjoyed Chris Jericho vs Steamboat and other legends at WM 25!
 
Steamboat looked so good, it was WM 3 all over again 🤣 so good he got a PPV match at Backlash against Jericho 4 weeks later

Ahhh now you are making me miss what a spectacle mania use to be, I mean it’s great now but way too clinical, bit like classics vs modern cars, the classics made you feel something
 
shaz619 said:
Warrior vs HHH , one of my all time favourites, doesn’t get enough credit

Hogan vs Warrior - I just think this match for the unified championship should be more appreciated, the big guys get stick but for more than 20 mins, these huge larger then life characters dug deep carrying all that muscle and found an extra gear or two to have a classic in my opinion

More controversial but Goldberg/Lesnar was actually a great match if you ignore the crowd

Big Show vs Akebono - This match might be a bit dumb but I was blown away in my youth for however long it lasted, it had my fam in fits, this is Wrestlemania man 😂

JBL vs Fit Finlay was hilariously good

Hogan vs McMahon

Reigns vs Lesnar 1, where one of them bladed

Reigns vs Taker, this was good outside that tombstone spot imo

I would put Jericho vs Christian but I think that is well regarded?

I also think that because of the quality of women's matches now, Trish vs Mickie James might become more and more obscure, those two deserve their flowers, fought for a singles match and it was such a great script written by Mickie herself and they delivered on the night, great match
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Hahahah ofcourse you loved Warrior v Triple H.

Brock v Goldberg is impossible to watch though without noticing the crowd reaction. Thankfully they redeemed themselves at WrestleMania 33 in one of the very best >5 minute matches I've ever seen.

Finlay v JBL is seriously fun. And I agree Hogan v McMahon is underrated too.

I guess underrated is a subjective term. But I just put matches that aren't as well-remembered or talked about as much when people talk about these WrestleManias.
 
shaz619 said:
Steamboat looked so good, it was WM 3 all over again 🤣 so good he got a PPV match at Backlash against Jericho 4 weeks later

Ahhh now you are making me miss what a spectacle mania use to be, I mean it’s great now but way too clinical, bit like classics vs modern cars, the classics made you feel something
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And from what I recall the Backlash match was even better. Steamboat is something else man. What a legend. Funnily enough, that wasn't even the only match these two wrestled. They wrestled like 6 or 8 times altogether during that period, including on some house shows.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I actually hated Rollins v HHH. For me it was the worst of HHH...a slow as boring and overlong wankfest.
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I thought Rollins selling in that match was outstanding, he was more tolerable for me at that time. I’d need to watch it again though, surely the match with Reigns at WM 32 was the biggest wankfest of his career? it truly exposed his ring pedigree
 
@RedwoodOriginal Imagine HHH v Punk happened at WM 30 as planned, I think it would be haitch’s best singles match at mania. I doubt they would have gone for it, but I’d have booked Punk to go over with the Pepsi Plunge of the top rope, that would have been an epic mania moment
 
shaz619 said:
I thought Rollins selling in that match was outstanding, he was more tolerable for me at that time. I’d need to watch it again though, surely the match with Reigns at WM 32 was the biggest wankfest of his career? it truly exposed his ring pedigree
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I dunno the whole feud so obvious and contrived. And then to go 25+ minutes. It just reminded me of the worst of Triple H from the RA Era.

Yeah the Reigns match is considerably worse and far more boring. Its amazing how quiet the crowd goes in that match. When they aren't booing that is.
 
shaz619 said:
@RedwoodOriginal Imagine HHH v Punk happened at WM 30 as planned, I think it would be haitch’s best singles match at mania. I doubt they would have gone for it, but I’d have booked Punk to go over with the Pepsi Plunge of the top rope, that would have been an epic mania moment
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Could have been a great match. But I guess it ended up working out for the best.
 
Still waiting on this myth showing up to destroy everything in sight:


Has to be the best modern wrestler to not win a world title.

Heck, then even put the 10 lb of gold on that fat lump Tyrus. I hope Chris breaks the jinx soon.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Should The Rock really be the face of the Bloodline though? Especially if he is gone for like a year or whatever?

Let's see what they are cooking. I don't wanna jump to conclusions just yet. But personally I think Solo needs a little more time in NXT. Because he doesn't do it for me in the ring or on the mic. He been on the main-roster for close to a year now and his work hasn't gotten any better.
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Dwayne said that schedule has never really been that big of an issue for him as he can control it since he produces his movies as well. Now that he's on the board, he will most definitely take wwe more seriously than he did in last 20 years.
 
For a long time I thought Larry was a person, it was a big plot twist when it turned out he is just a dog
 

Raw Highlights, April 15, 2024:​

  • Rhea Ripley was forced to vacate Women’s World Title
  • Sheamus def. Ivar
  • Triple H introduced the new World Tag Team Titles to Awesome Truth
  • #DIY def. The New Day and The Creed Brothers to become No. 1 Contenders to the World Tag Team Titles
  • Candice LeRae & Indi Hartwell def. Maxxine Dupri & Ivy Nile
  • Andrade def. “Dirty” Dominik Mysterio
  • Chelsea Green & Piper Niven def. Katana Chance & Kayden Carter
  • Cody Rhodes gave thanks to those that helped him at WrestleMania XL
  • Jey Uso def. Finn Bálor
  • Intercontinental Champion Sami Zayn def. Chad Gable
  • Chad Gable viciously assaulted Sami Zayn after the match
Source: WWE
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Dwayne said that schedule has never really been that big of an issue for him as he can control it since he produces his movies as well. Now that he's on the board, he will most definitely take wwe more seriously than he did in last 20 years.
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I don't know about that. Would depend on the kind of roles he gets wouldn't it? If he gets a really major role and the filming is during April, I can't imagine that he would just pass on the role.

Besides, I don't think its a great look for WWE having a part-timer like The Rock to be the biggest heel in the company. I know he's The Rock but it still makes you active wrestlers look unimportant.
 
shaz619 said:
Still waiting on this myth showing up to destroy everything in sight:


Has to be the best modern wrestler to not win a world title.

Heck, then even put the 10 lb of gold on that fat lump Tyrus. I hope Chris breaks the jinx soon.
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I think you misspelled Muhammad Hassan.

Personally speaking, I can't say I was ever a huge fan of old. He had a great look and the gimmick was cool atfirst. But I don't think he had enough personality to be a top guy, though his work in the ring was solid enough.
 
AEW has been doing so many laughably bad things lately that stuff like this gets lost in the shuffle:


I know people were a fan of hers in WWE and I'm sure she has a big fanbase. But she has been absolutely awful ever since she got to AEW. And I know its easy to blame Tony for everything. But this is on her. The promos, the segments, the bad acting, the freaking moaning at the end of this segment lmao...it all feels so fake. It amazes me that she has ambitions to go into acting...and that she has her own writer! Because this sh!t sounds like it was written by ChatGPT.

I think Mercedes is a perfect example of someone that people talk about when they say that some wrestlers need writers. Because this is the stuff they come up with when some of them are left to their own devices.
 
Let's see how long it takes for AEW to make these guys look like a couple of nobodies. My only expectation is that I get to see FTR v MCMG.

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Report: Alex Shelley & Chris Sabin finalizing deal with AEW​


The Motor City Machine Guns are reportedly expected to sign with AEW.

Cassidy Haynes of BodySlam.net reported on Tuesday that Alex Shelley and Chris Sabin are in the process of finalizing deals with the company. The report notes that a contract is not expected to be completed imminently but "the decision has been made and a deal will be worked out."

Shelley filed to trademark the terms "Motor City Machine Guns" and "MCMG" for wrestling purposes on March 19, 2024.

Sabin and Shelley finished up with TNA Wrestling at the company's TV tapings in Philadelphia on March 22 & 23. Their final match was against The System's Brian Myers & Eddie Edwards and will air on Thursday's episode of Impact on AXS TV. Sabin was defeated by Steve Maclin in the main event of last week's show, and Shelley was defeated by Nic Nemeth in the main event of the April 4 episode.

 
The main-event on RAW was absolutely brilliant. Sami Zayn looked like such a massive star out there in his hometown. It would be a waste if all this doesn't translate into a World title run down the line. Anyway I thought it was a great match and the angle that followed after that was great too. There's definitely a story there that makes you want to tune in next week.

Also feel like special mention should be given to Lee Fitting, their new director and the direction of the show. This guy has really done alot to change the look and feel of the show. Tonight it was the way they transitioned from the Jey Uso/Finn Balor match to the main-event by having the camera follow Jey backstage as runs into Sami. And it was the perfect segue because it allowed you to see Sami going through a crowd of his hometown fans as they were signing his song in unison.
 
Just when you think Tony Khan can't get any more desperate he proves you wrong. The Young Bucks couldn't pray before their match? :ROFLMAO: Seriously? :ROFLMAO:

Not only is he burying FTR and cheapening their win, but he is also making the Bucks look like a bunch of delusional idiots who might as well blame the wind blowing for them losing the match. That's how stupid their excuse is. Its even funnier when you consider the fact that Becky Lynch wrestled a match in in high fever in an open air stadium last week, where it was pretty cold.

And now all this cheerleading for Jack Perry. I mean this has to be the peak of desperation when everyone knows he is p!ssed at Perry for instigating Punk. It's like they can't stop talking about/mentioning/alluding to Punk. Now Jack Perry's whole gimmick will be centered around cutting wannabe edgy promos about Punk and getting hisass kicked. Its like even after leaving AEW, CM Punk is the biggest star there. I look forward to seeing it all because you just know its going to end with people chanting CM Punk's name. But maybe that's Tony's goal because that's the only way he is getting the crowd to react to Jack Perry.


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Tony Khan said he thought it 'made a lot of sense' to air AEW All In footage​


Tony Khan thought it “made a lot of sense” to air the All In footage.

Speaking to Chris Russell, Khan said airing the Jack Perry/CM Punk altercation from last year's All In plays into the FTR/Young Bucks match that will take place at AEW Dynasty this coming weekend.

Well, I think it made a lot of sense. First of all, FTR/Young Bucks ladder match coming up at AEW Dynasty for the World Tag Team Championships. This is the fourth chapter in FTR vs. The Young Bucks...the last time they wrestled, Young Bucks/FTR III, was at Wembley Stadium, AEW All In. And a lot happened that day. They were the third match on the pay-per-view and at one point it looked like we were going to have to call them up and they were going to have to wrestle the first match. And then they ended up going on in the spot they were in, but the Young Bucks said, the whole day, everything that happened, it really affected their mental preparation, they weren’t able to pray before the match, they were very stressed out. They slipped on the banana peel and lost the match but they blame FTR, they blame what happened at Wembley Stadium, and that’s why, in hindsight, thats why they refused to shake FTR’s hand.
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Khan also pointed out the reaction Jack Perry received this past Friday at NJPW Windy City Riot, losing to Shota Umino.

It was fascinating to see after that tape played, the reaction that Jack Perry got at New Japan Pro Wrestling this week, he got the reaction of a superstar. That is not altogether unexpected and it’s something very interesting, perhaps a side effect of this. Jack Perry [is] already a big star in wrestling, really the way the crowd connected with him in Chicago, that was interesting to see.
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The Young Bucks have made references to Perry in recent weeks, including Matthew Jackson wearing a scapegoat t-shirt on last week's Dynamite. Perry remains under suspension following the altercation with Punk, who was fired.

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RedwoodOriginal said:
I think you misspelled Muhammad Hassan.

Personally speaking, I can't say I was ever a huge fan of old. He had a great look and the gimmick was cool atfirst. But I don't think he had enough personality to be a top guy, though his work in the ring was solid enough.
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I don’t pick Hassan because he was sure to be champion outside the issues beyond his control. Chris had a unique physical charisma so didn’t need to say a lot and got better with more experience towards the back end of his run
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Just when you think Tony Khan can't get any more desperate he proves you wrong. The Young Bucks couldn't pray before their match? :ROFLMAO: Seriously? :ROFLMAO:

Not only is he burying FTR and cheapening their win, but he is also making the Bucks look like a bunch of delusional idiots who might as well blame the wind blowing for them losing the match. That's how stupid their excuse is. Its even funnier when you consider the fact that Becky Lynch wrestled a match in in high fever in an open air stadium last week, where it was pretty cold.

And now all this cheerleading for Jack Perry. I mean this has to be the peak of desperation when everyone knows he is p!ssed at Perry for instigating Punk. It's like they can't stop talking about/mentioning/alluding to Punk. Now Jack Perry's whole gimmick will be centered around cutting wannabe edgy promos about Punk and getting hisass kicked. Its like even after leaving AEW, CM Punk is the biggest star there. I look forward to seeing it all because you just know its going to end with people chanting CM Punk's name. But maybe that's Tony's goal because that's the only way he is getting the crowd to react to Jack Perry.


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Tony Khan said he thought it 'made a lot of sense' to air AEW All In footage​


Tony Khan thought it “made a lot of sense” to air the All In footage.

Speaking to Chris Russell, Khan said airing the Jack Perry/CM Punk altercation from last year's All In plays into the FTR/Young Bucks match that will take place at AEW Dynasty this coming weekend.


Khan also pointed out the reaction Jack Perry received this past Friday at NJPW Windy City Riot, losing to Shota Umino.


The Young Bucks have made references to Perry in recent weeks, including Matthew Jackson wearing a scapegoat t-shirt on last week's Dynamite. Perry remains under suspension following the altercation with Punk, who was fired.

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I read this couldn’t stop laughing, they should ask him why he really tried to get rid of the footage to then and it’s not just the law
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
The main-event on RAW was absolutely brilliant. Sami Zayn looked like such a massive star out there in his hometown. It would be a waste if all this doesn't translate into a World title run down the line. Anyway I thought it was a great match and the angle that followed after that was great too. There's definitely a story there that makes you want to tune in next week.

Also feel like special mention should be given to Lee Fitting, their new director and the direction of the show. This guy has really done alot to change the look and feel of the show. Tonight it was the way they transitioned from the Jey Uso/Finn Balor match to the main-event by having the camera follow Jey backstage as runs into Sami. And it was the perfect segue because it allowed you to see Sami going through a crowd of his hometown fans as they were signing his song in unison.
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Nobody fights or sells better from underneath then Sami Zayn, he should really be the WHC but I think Priest is a long term project and then Gunther is probably next in line. But how can you not see the ££££ in a Sami world title run, he has already proved his main event credentials. I was thinking the guy is almost as over in Montreal as Punk is in Chicago and absolutely, what have we been watching all these years, the camera work and direction is outstanding.

And what match though, so physical and legit, some of the bumps were a bit sick should be careful especially with the turnbuckle moves, but both looked fantastic and I hope this turn is the making of Gable because he has been outstanding for years in doing his best with whatever sh!t is thrown his way
 
I am not Cody’s biggest fan but I called this, fans are already turning on him; driven by the lack of major heat on his win imo which I firmly still believe. Worse, they are not willing to give the guy a chance it’s ridiculous. 1st title runs seldom go well even for the nature boy but fans now are so fickle.
 
shaz619 said:
Nobody fights or sells better from underneath then Sami Zayn, he should really be the WHC but I think Priest is a long term project and then Gunther is probably next in line. But how can you not see the ££££ in a Sami world title run, he has already proved his main event credentials. I was thinking the guy is almost as over in Montreal as Punk is in Chicago and absolutely, what have we been watching all these years, the camera work and direction is outstanding.

And what match though, so physical and legit, some of the bumps were a bit sick should be careful especially with the turnbuckle moves, but both looked fantastic and I hope this turn is the making of Gable because he has been outstanding for years in doing his best with whatever sh!t is thrown his way
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Yup this was the perfect advertisement for Sami the babyface. And I agree. It was very much like Punk in Chicago, possibly even louder. Because even in Chicago you will see the odd smark with some kind of smart a$s sign in the crowd. Not the case in Montreal where they were singing Sami's song in two different segments where he wasn't even there.

Yup. That what it feels like. I would be really interested to see what they with Gunther at their Bash in Berlin PPV. But I feel like Sami will get a shot at the World title soon. Because I mean how could you not do something with him? Even after demoting him to the midcard after that match with Roman, he has managed to come out as over as ever. He is one of the bets babyfaces in the business.

Oh gosh I cringed when Gable got dropped right on his neck on a backdrop. The move was like a slightly less dangerous version of the backdrop driver that Dr. Death used to do in All Japan. I've seen Gable take bumps like these before though so I don't think it was a case of Sami effing up. Hopefully they do something with Gable too because he is too talented to be continue being wasted like he has been.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Hahahah ofcourse you loved Warrior v Triple H.

Brock v Goldberg is impossible to watch though without noticing the crowd reaction. Thankfully they redeemed themselves at WrestleMania 33 in one of the very best >5 minute matches I've ever seen.

Finlay v JBL is seriously fun. And I agree Hogan v McMahon is underrated too.

I guess underrated is a subjective term. But I just put matches that aren't as well-remembered or talked about as much when people talk about these WrestleManias.
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Goldberg made Brock look very ordinary throughout that first feud something Brock hadn't been made to look like throughout his entire first run.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Should The Rock really be the face of the Bloodline though? Especially if he is gone for like a year or whatever?

Let's see what they are cooking. I don't wanna jump to conclusions just yet. But personally I think Solo needs a little more time in NXT. Because he doesn't do it for me in the ring or on the mic. He been on the main-roster for close to a year now and his work hasn't gotten any better.
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Yes who else if he not. Maybe Jey? But we've seen Jey be Roman's rival already. Plus Jey is too over as a face in a singles.
Rock is the only one that can stand up to The Tribal Chief. Solo will look funny trying to be the leader and cutting promos. Roman will murder him on mic and then bury his career during his in ring encounter.
 
shaz619 said:
I thought Rollins selling in that match was outstanding, he was more tolerable for me at that time. I’d need to watch it again though, surely the match with Reigns at WM 32 was the biggest wankfest of his career? it truly exposed his ring pedigree
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Crying with pain complaining of a broken leg and then 1 min later doing a suicide dive at full speed is Rollins' selling. He did that in that match as well IIRC
 
shaz619 said:
Still waiting on this myth showing up to destroy everything in sight:


Has to be the best modern wrestler to not win a world title.

Heck, then even put the 10 lb of gold on that fat lump Tyrus. I hope Chris breaks the jinx soon.
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who are we talking about?
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I don't know about that. Would depend on the kind of roles he gets wouldn't it? If he gets a really major role and the filming is during April, I can't imagine that he would just pass on the role.

Besides, I don't think its a great look for WWE having a part-timer like The Rock to be the biggest heel in the company. I know he's The Rock but it still makes you active wrestlers look unimportant.
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That's just because no one in the entire world is on his level (even now currently) whether as a heel or a face. It's not his fault that he's just too good at pro wrestling thing.

And his stature has been going down with multiple failures at the box office recently. Apart from adding some breaths to Fast 11 or 12 or whichever part is it going to be, I don't see him getting a must-take role right now. He's going to build his stock up once again using WWE to get his fans and haters to start liking him and then he might get a good role.
 
shaz619 said:
The MASTER PIECE CHRIS MASTERS
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I thought it was Scott Hall. Hurricane is something I thought was extremely underrated not because of his gimmick but due to his size. He, Kidman, Tajiri, Rey, Jamie Noble a few others put wwe cruiserweight division on fire in early 2000s
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Yup this was the perfect advertisement for Sami the babyface. And I agree. It was very much like Punk in Chicago, possibly even louder. Because even in Chicago you will see the odd smark with some kind of smart a$s sign in the crowd. Not the case in Montreal where they were singing Sami's song in two different segments where he wasn't even there.

Yup. That what it feels like. I would be really interested to see what they with Gunther at their Bash in Berlin PPV. But I feel like Sami will get a shot at the World title soon. Because I mean how could you not do something with him? Even after demoting him to the midcard after that match with Roman, he has managed to come out as over as ever. He is one of the bets babyfaces in the business.

Oh gosh I cringed when Gable got dropped right on his neck on a backdrop. The move was like a slightly less dangerous version of the backdrop driver that Dr. Death used to do in All Japan. I've seen Gable take bumps like these before though so I don't think it was a case of Sami effing up. Hopefully they do something with Gable too because he is too talented to be continue being wasted like he has been.
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Sami should really be able to jump the line because it makes business sense but Triple H wont look at it that way due to his grand long term plans. That’s a great point he could easily have remained lost in the shuffle so they have another chance now.

I thought Gable took that bump like a real pro it looked sick but on the slow mo he protected his neck, I cringed more at the german Sami took into one of the buckles, that killed Sting’s WWE career!
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Goldberg made Brock look very ordinary throughout that first feud something Brock hadn't been made to look like throughout his entire first run.
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That’s just normal Vince behaviour, cuck wrestlers who want to leave
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
AEW has been doing so many laughably bad things lately that stuff like this gets lost in the shuffle:


I know people were a fan of hers in WWE and I'm sure she has a big fanbase. But she has been absolutely awful ever since she got to AEW. And I know its easy to blame Tony for everything. But this is on her. The promos, the segments, the bad acting, the freaking moaning at the end of this segment lmao...it all feels so fake. It amazes me that she has ambitions to go into acting...and that she has her own writer! Because this sh!t sounds like it was written by ChatGPT.

I think Mercedes is a perfect example of someone that people talk about when they say that some wrestlers need writers. Because this is the stuff they come up with when some of them are left to their own devices.
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Her moaning would have definitely turned on some of her hardcore fans like Jobbernation etc
 
BunnyRabbit said:
But in that case both Old Bill and Brocky were leaving.
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He was always a mark for Bill and he probably took Lesnar’s departure more seriously due to the upside with him, everybody knew Bill was there for a paycheck but with Lesnar, he was going to make dollar, he did eventually but at that point he was still that jealous ex who would not waste a good chance being petty, he got Angle back when he returned as well
 
shaz619 said:
Sami should really be able to jump the line because it makes business sense but Triple H wont look at it that way due to his grand long term plans. That’s a great point he could easily have remained lost in the shuffle so they have another chance now.

I thought Gable took that bump like a real pro it looked sick but on the slow mo he protected his neck, I cringed more at the german Sami took into one of the buckles, that killed Sting’s WWE career!
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Yup he should. But it probably won't be that way.

Yeah they were taking some sick bumps here. Not something you see that often in WWE TV matches.

On Gable, I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to put him with the Creed Brothers. Turn them into a Team Angle lite. It could work.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Goldberg made Brock look very ordinary throughout that first feud something Brock hadn't been made to look like throughout his entire first run.
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They had to re-establish Goldberg as the killer he was 20 years ago. And squashing Lesnar in under 2 minutes at Survivor Series was the perfect way to do that. One of the very best squash matches ever btw.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
That's just because no one in the entire world is on his level (even now currently) whether as a heel or a face. It's not his fault that he's just too good at pro wrestling thing.

And his stature has been going down with multiple failures at the box office recently. Apart from adding some breaths to Fast 11 or 12 or whichever part is it going to be, I don't see him getting a must-take role right now. He's going to build his stock up once again using WWE to get his fans and haters to start liking him and then he might get a good role.
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He's great. But at the end of the day, acting is his number one job. It was great having him for this WrestleMania storyline and it would be great if he does a match at SummerSlam or Survivor Series. But anything more than taht, I don't think I can tolerate. Because then he is all over the show, doing 40 minute promos every week. And as great as those promos were, they can get a little self-indulgent.

Plus, there's also the mystique of a legend like Rock that has to be preserved. Which is why he has to go away for a little while after a big storyline like this one.
 
shaz619 said:
I am not Cody’s biggest fan but I called this, fans are already turning on him; driven by the lack of major heat on his win imo which I firmly still believe. Worse, they are not willing to give the guy a chance it’s ridiculous. 1st title runs seldom go well even for the nature boy but fans now are so fickle.
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Well to be fair, he had absolutely nothing to say this week. It seemed like a stand-up routine without the comedy. He was just randomly naming people and sharing his thoughts on them. Felt like a really contrived way of saying that I'm going to SmackDown.
 
Fans are already turning on him on Cody and I am loving it. Very soon, he will start to get the reactions that Cena received during his decade of doom from 2005-14.

I can't wait for Roman to come back and take back his title.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Goldberg made Brock look very ordinary throughout that first feud something Brock hadn't been made to look like throughout his entire first run.
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The buildup to Brock vs Goldberg for WM for terrible. Goldberg cost Lesnar the title at No Way Out and then IIRC correctly, he didn't make an another appearance until Wrestlemania. The buildup was mostly about Lesnar vs Austin, and Goldberg felt like the third wheel.

Having said that, I don't mind the match and think it gets way too much hate that it deserves.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Well to be fair, he had absolutely nothing to say this week. It seemed like a stand-up routine without the comedy. He was just randomly naming people and sharing his thoughts on them. Felt like a really contrived way of saying that I'm going to SmackDown.
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This is what the people wanted, the chaku are out right away by these same individuals
 
The_KING said:
The buildup to Brock vs Goldberg for WM for terrible. Goldberg cost Lesnar the title at No Way Out and then IIRC correctly, he didn't make an another appearance until Wrestlemania. The buildup was mostly about Lesnar vs Austin, and Goldberg felt like the third wheel.

Having said that, I don't mind the match and think it gets way too much hate that it deserves.
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That appearance at No Way Out was epic though, Goldberg was like a hired gun and his spear was a bullet bah gawd. Plus he looked like an absolute weapon.

In those days it was easy to suspend your disbelief watching it live in the youth.

Now fans do a bhangra over ‘Woaaaaaaaaaah’ or whatever Seth’s music is as though they are straining on the toilet or something
 
If I was to get back into WWE how would one start? I'm not a fan of 3 hour long RAW as I don't find the mid-lower card entertaining like it once was.

I heard it was the best wrestlemania ever, but I've heard mixed reviews, but general consensus is that the company is moving in the right direction.

What are the current storylines? I tuned into Monday Night Raw and I seen Triple H reveal the tag belts, I seen R-Truths reaction to it which I found so bad and forced
 
RagingJ said:
What are the current storylines? I tuned into Monday Night Raw and I seen Triple H reveal the tag belts, I seen R-Truths reaction to it which I found so bad and forced
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R Truth is funny as hell bro. He is so underrated.
 
RagingJ said:
If I was to get back into WWE how would one start? I'm not a fan of 3 hour long RAW as I don't find the mid-lower card entertaining like it once was.

I heard it was the best wrestlemania ever, but I've heard mixed reviews, but general consensus is that the company is moving in the right direction.

What are the current storylines? I tuned into Monday Night Raw and I seen Triple H reveal the tag belts, I seen R-Truths reaction to it which I found so bad and forced
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Depends where you wanna start from. The Bloodline story started about 4 years ago. But it really started getting good about 2 years ago. I'd suggest starting from this year's WrestleMania and then just watching week to week. They usually do a good job of telling you what happened last week on the show.

Mid to lower card has lot of great wrestling. But if you're not interested in seeing that then you may not enjoy RAW because on RAW the big stars usually only do promos and segments. The wrestling tends to largely feature mid to lower card guys. Also just because its 3 hours doesn't mean you have to watch the whole show. You can always skip certain segments and matches.

R-Truth is funny but I agree this segment was bad. They should have recognized that they were in a French-speaking city and that the crowd was not going to respond to this the way they would in an English-speaking city.
 
shaz619 said:
This is what the people wanted, the chaku are out right away by these same individuals
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The chase was so good that people have developed unrealistically high expectations from the reign. But the reality is that a babyface chasing is always going to be more interesting than when he has finally gotten the belt. I think people need to temper their expectations and give them some time. He hasn't even started his first feud as champion yet.

This is why I think Austin stands in a league of his own when it comes to babyfaces. Hogan you could argue was more massive but even with him people moved on once Warrior hit his peak. Whereas, Austin was his own worst enemy with his heel turn. What a bad business and creative decision that was.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
He's great. But at the end of the day, acting is his number one job. It was great having him for this WrestleMania storyline and it would be great if he does a match at SummerSlam or Survivor Series. But anything more than taht, I don't think I can tolerate. Because then he is all over the show, doing 40 minute promos every week. And as great as those promos were, they can get a little self-indulgent.

Plus, there's also the mystique of a legend like Rock that has to be preserved. Which is why he has to go away for a little while after a big storyline like this one.
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I don't mind his presence at all. I actually prefer him doing promos and being on WWE tv than watching majority of stuff that's on there. If you'd ask me to pick between Lashley, Karrion Kross, Bron Breakker's squash matches, Austin Theory etc, I'll always pick The Rock.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
The chase was so good that people have developed unrealistically high expectations from the reign. But the reality is that a babyface chasing is always going to be more interesting than when he has finally gotten the belt. I think people need to temper their expectations and give them some time. He hasn't even started his first feud as champion yet.

This is why I think Austin stands in a league of his own when it comes to babyfaces. Hogan you could argue was more massive but even with him people moved on once Warrior hit his peak. Whereas, Austin was his own worst enemy with his heel turn. What a bad business and creative decision that was.
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I actually enjoyed Austin's heel run as well especially once Trips got injured. Him defecting to the Alliance was great.
He did some of his best comedic work during that storyline. His segment where Vince booked him to defend his title in a match and Austin going off "That's exactly what Tajiri said would happen" always gets me. :D
 
RagingJ said:
If I was to get back into WWE how would one start? I'm not a fan of 3 hour long RAW as I don't find the mid-lower card entertaining like it once was.

I heard it was the best wrestlemania ever, but I've heard mixed reviews, but general consensus is that the company is moving in the right direction.

What are the current storylines? I tuned into Monday Night Raw and I seen Triple H reveal the tag belts, I seen R-Truths reaction to it which I found so bad and forced
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The whole bloodline saga.
Royal Rumble 2020 was magical with Drew beginning his feud with Brock and his subsequent title run. Edge's feud with Randy and Seth. Cody's feud with Seth.
 
The_KING said:
The buildup to Brock vs Goldberg for WM for terrible. Goldberg cost Lesnar the title at No Way Out and then IIRC correctly, he didn't make an another appearance until Wrestlemania. The buildup was mostly about Lesnar vs Austin, and Goldberg felt like the third wheel.

Having said that, I don't mind the match and think it gets way too much hate that it deserves.
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Yes it was a fine match and Brock hadn't been made to look like that in his entire run. Even though it was an average match, Goldberg even in that came out looking like a titan (gets a lot of flak for his first WWE run) but I think he was booked well enough apart from that Elimination Chamber where a sledgehammer shot was fine to pin him.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
@shaz619 @BunnyRabbit alot of people talk about the best WrestleMania matches but what about the most underrated? I saw someone doing this online so I decided to copy it. For me its these matches:


Bret Hart v Roddy Piper - WrestleMania 8
Kurt Angle v Chris Benoit - WrestleMania X-7
Christian v Chris Jericho - WrestleMania XX
Evolution v Rock N' Sock Connection - WrestleMania XX
Eddie Guerrero v Rey Mysterio - WrestleMania 21
CM Punk v Randy Orton - WrestleMania 27
CM Punk v Chris Jericho - WrestleMania 28
AJ Styles v Shane McMahon - WrestleMania 33
Kevin Owens v Sami Zayn - WrestleMania 37
Cesaro v Seth Rollins - WrestleMania 37
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I hated that Evolution vs Rock n Sock. Foley was awful in it.

Austin Theory vs Pat McAfee Mania 2022
Undertaker vs Kane (both Manias) loved the mania 20 for taker's return as the deadman alone though.
Austin vs Rock Mania 2003
Taker vs Batista
Jericho vs AJ
Goldberg vs Brock 2
AJ vs Shane
Seth vs Miz vs Balor
Sami vs Knoxville
Rey vs Dominik
Taker vs flair
 
RagingJ said:
If I was to get back into WWE how would one start? I'm not a fan of 3 hour long RAW as I don't find the mid-lower card entertaining like it once was.

I heard it was the best wrestlemania ever, but I've heard mixed reviews, but general consensus is that the company is moving in the right direction.

What are the current storylines? I tuned into Monday Night Raw and I seen Triple H reveal the tag belts, I seen R-Truths reaction to it which I found so bad and forced
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Start with Smackdown, it’s 2 hours and you can skip anything you don’t like if you don’t watch live and take it from there. Smackdown is an easier watch and tbh RAW has improved to.

Personally, I tend to stick to the WWE Youtube or TNT Youtube if you’re in the UK as they post key segments in full, sometimes WWE do as well. Generally, if there’s a big show or star like Punk I will look for the full show and watch a segment in its entirety if not available on Youtube. RAW will also be on Netflix next year and easier to access.

I think on Smackdown the main story to follow will involve Cody Rhodes’s title run, and chief support will be the bloodline
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
The chase was so good that people have developed unrealistically high expectations from the reign. But the reality is that a babyface chasing is always going to be more interesting than when he has finally gotten the belt. I think people need to temper their expectations and give them some time. He hasn't even started his first feud as champion yet.

This is why I think Austin stands in a league of his own when it comes to babyfaces. Hogan you could argue was more massive but even with him people moved on once Warrior hit his peak. Whereas, Austin was his own worst enemy with his heel turn. What a bad business and creative decision that was.
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I agree mostly though I partly agree with Bunny on this one, I don’t think Austin should have turned at WM 17 that was a bad idea, but his turn itself was a lot of fun and allowed Austin to show more personality and do something different, I mean you got to give it to John for doing the same thing day in day out for so long, because that ought to be more sickening for a performer.

There’s more heat in the chase, though guys like Shawn, Bret, AJ Styles, Hogan and especially Bruno were experts at carrying the strap as super baby faces and fighting from underneath, I wish we had one of those right now….Sami….*coughs*….Zayn…

But people should give Cody a chance, I think until he gets the ball rolling on a feud, we will see these house show style promos. I think he has the backing so he shouldn’t do something too silly. This face run should be ok, but I feel a turn will do wonders for him down the line and if Heyman manages him, even better, though I don’t know if it would be the same with him already working so well with Reigns and the pressure to top that, but a turn regardless will help.

For now though people should give him a shot I think even without the heat I’d have liked he can do a solid job, he needs to stay away from Social Media and some serious dance partners.
 
shaz619 said:
I agree mostly though I partly agree with Bunny on this one, I don’t think Austin should have turned at WM 17 that was a bad idea, but his turn itself was a lot of fun and allowed Austin to show more personality and do something different, I mean you got to give it to John for doing the same thing day in day out for so long, because that ought to be more sickening for a performer.

There’s more heat in the chase, though guys like Shawn, Bret, AJ Styles, Hogan and especially Bruno were experts at carrying the strap as super baby faces and fighting from underneath, I wish we had one of those right now….Sami….*coughs*….Zayn…

But people should give Cody a chance, I think until he gets the ball rolling on a feud, we will see these house show style promos. I think he has the backing so he shouldn’t do something too silly. This face run should be ok, but I feel a turn will do wonders for him down the line and if Heyman manages him, even better, though I don’t know if it would be the same with him already working so well with Reigns and the pressure to top that, but a turn regardless will help.

For now though people should give him a shot I think even without the heat I’d have liked he can do a solid job, he needs to stay away from Social Media and some serious dance partners.
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I'm sure it was fun for him but for me that doesn't justify the amount of damage it did to WWE's business. It literally killed WWE's biggest boom period and impacted everything from merch to tickets to ratings. On top of that, him siding with Vince made no sense at all character-wise. And then to do it in Texas...just felt like a swerve for the sake of doing a swerve. For me, its probably one of the worst booking decisions in the history of wrestling.

I will say this about Cody, he needs to evolve. He can't keep coming out and asking people "what do you wanna talk about?"...and then cut this wordy promo that always ends the same way. I'm not saying don't speak eloquently or don't be yourself but just don't get caught in that trap where your promos start sounding repetitive and stale because structurally they are always the same. I'm not saying that he is there but he should learn from the past. Because that for me was a big problem with Cena. The only thing about him that changed between 2007 and 2015 were the colors of his t-shirts.

A Cody heel turn should only happen when he has established himself as the ultimate top babyface in WWE and resentment has started bubbling underneath the surface among fans, but they haven't turned against him just yet. Timing is so critical in wrestling, and when something shocks you and makes sense, there's nothing like it.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
I hated that Evolution vs Rock n Sock. Foley was awful in it.

Austin Theory vs Pat McAfee Mania 2022
Undertaker vs Kane (both Manias) loved the mania 20 for taker's return as the deadman alone though.
Austin vs Rock Mania 2003
Taker vs Batista
Jericho vs AJ
Goldberg vs Brock 2
AJ vs Shane
Seth vs Miz vs Balor
Sami vs Knoxville
Rey vs Dominik
Taker vs flair
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I think Taker v Batista is pretty highly rated. It was most people's best or second best match of the night. I'd probably say the same for Austin v Rock, which as comfortably the third best match of the night and generally a highly rated match by most.

Sami Zayn v Johnny Knoxville is a weird one. On one hand, I can't deny that it makes the business look like a joke. On the other hand, I don't think I've ever laughed harder while watching a wrestling match. It was so funny. It's amazing how talented Sami Zayn is.
 
Saw the discussion of Chris Masters. What a physique that guy had. Phenomenal.

I also remember the Master Lock challenge segment
 
BunnyRabbit said:
I actually enjoyed Austin's heel run as well especially once Trips got injured. Him defecting to the Alliance was great.
He did some of his best comedic work during that storyline. His segment where Vince booked him to defend his title in a match and Austin going off "That's exactly what Tajiri said would happen" always gets me. :D
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I dunno I wasn't a fan. The Invasion storyline, that's another thing that was a massive failure. And again, Austin aligning himself with a bunch of midcarders from WCW and ECW made zero sense. I know that the death of WCW is regarded as the thing that killed the Attitude Era. But fact is WCW was garbage/unwatchable from atleast 1999 (though some would argue even before that) and WWE were still doing incredibly well. I would argue that the Austin heel turn, the Invasion angle and Rock leaving for Hollywood ended that incredible creative and commercial boom period for WWE.
 
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