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Who is this Tony Khan?
Owner of AEW
Specially challenged son of businessman Shahid Khan
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Who is this Tony Khan?
Tbh, I think there is money in this program down the line with a heel Seth and babyface Roman. There's a lot of history there and let's not forget that Roman has never beaten Seth. I don't think that is by accident.How many more times do we need to see Reigns vs Seth
Punk posting that image of Bush post Iraq invasion was perfect though. It's a great analogy.Why promote another wrestler on your show, I mean it’s amazing for Punk though
Yeah but I can't recall when fans were this positive on WWE. I mean the creation of AEW was based in large part to WWE being this evil org. run by Vince. Now all that has changed. Especially with them trying to erase Vince and change all the things that were synonmymous with his time.Come on man, most fans been on that Haitch Kool Aid since the black and gold era of NXT. I don’t think the current product is flawless either, especially the big four PPV’s and the spectacles the company has been known for. This is why I have started watching TNA mate especially while Punk is out and I’m serious it’s making me feel again, something which both AEW/WWE is not able to do consistently
Yeah but I can't recall when fans were this positive on WWE. I mean the creation of AEW was based in large part to WWE being this evil org. run by Vince. Now all that has changed. Especially with them trying to erase Vince and change all the things that were synonmymous with his time.
I dunno man, it'll be hard for me to get back into TNA after all the heartbreak they have given me over the years. I can't say I'm crazy about too many guys on that roster either besides Josh Alexander and Alex Hammerstone. MCMG are gone too now. I used to love Eddie Edwards but seems like he has really let himself go. And doesn't seem to be top of the card either.
Tbh, I think there is money in this program down the line with a heel Seth and babyface Roman. There's a lot of history there and let's not forget that Roman has never beaten Seth. I don't think that is by accident.
it has always delivered though especially their last mini feud at Royal Rumble 2022.How many more times do we need to see Reigns vs Seth
Vince's last few years had everyone in the locker room and the talent relations bummed down especially in the time Trips was absent in the backroom during his heart problems. Once he came back, he helped negotiate wrestlers getting the green signal to re gain their cameo and twitch accounts etc. I know he is far from the booker Vince was especially in his prime but he does have qualities which should be commended. He's far better than someone like Lauranaitis. I agree the spectacle part is severely lacking in his booking and presentation style especially the entertainment prospect but let's not kid ourselves how Vince was firing employees in dozens every month and how pathetic a lot of stuff was (like Lashley pointing to his **** as his gimmick, Jindar getting the title run, Maria Kannelis accusing different wrestlers every week of being the father of her unborn child etc etc.They are lifers, they were always high Hunter’s crack, so it’s not a surprise they will get the prayer mats out for him now and are dumb enough to not be able to differentiate between Vince the character and promoter. The product is solid but lacks spark, if he delegates more to Bruce Prichard and Heyman, Rock and others more successful in the game, maybe there will be more authentic drama. Yeah it wont be for everyone TNA especially if you watch a lot of wrestling, I am liking the reboot though as something a bit different but respectful of the TNA history/legacy.
I've been rewatching some old TNA PPVs recently from their Main Event Mafia era and gotta say I am really enjoying them. TNA was never perfect, there was always stuff like Angelina Love v Taylor Wilde opening a PPV, Abyss in a 10,000 Thumbtacks match or Mick Foley winning the TNA World Championship. But man its was entertaining as sh!t. Especially during that era. And you had alot of quality wrestling as well because of the X Division boys and guys like Angle, Joe, AJ, Daniels etc.They are lifers, they were always high Hunter’s crack, so it’s not a surprise they will get the prayer mats out for him now and are dumb enough to not be able to differentiate between Vince the character and promoter. The product is solid but lacks spark, if he delegates more to Bruce Prichard and Heyman, Rock and others more successful in the game, maybe there will be more authentic drama. Yeah it wont be for everyone TNA especially if you watch a lot of wrestling, I am liking the reboot though as something a bit different but respectful of the TNA history/legacy.
I've been rewatching some old TNA PPVs recently from their Main Event Mafia era and gotta say I am really enjoying them. TNA was never perfect, there was always stuff like Angelina Love v Taylor Wilde opening a PPV, Abyss in a 10,000 Thumbtacks match or Mick Foley winning the TNA World Championship. But man its was entertaining as sh!t. Especially during that era. And you had alot of quality wrestling as well because of the X Division boys and guys like Angle, Joe, AJ, Daniels etc.
No I don't think we're there just yet. I have some hope for Rollins if he gets rid of this cringe af gimmick.It’s the new Reigns vs Lesnar except Seth is a weakling
Tbh, I really question that because who else was there besides Gail Kim and Awesome Kong?TNA in those days were what AEW think they are now.
TNA needed some structure but there was quality from top to bottom, and they genuinely spearheaded the ‘womens revolution’
Vince's last few years had everyone in the locker room and the talent relations bummed down especially in the time Trips was absent in the backroom during his heart problems. Once he came back, he helped negotiate wrestlers getting the green signal to re gain their cameo and twitch accounts etc. I know he is far from the booker Vince was especially in his prime but he does have qualities which should be commended. He's far better than someone like Lauranaitis. I agree the spectacle part is severely lacking in his booking and presentation style especially the entertainment prospect but let's not kid ourselves how Vince was firing employees in dozens every month and how pathetic a lot of stuff was (like Lashley pointing to his **** as his gimmick, Jindar getting the title run, Maria Kannelis accusing different wrestlers every week of being the father of her unborn child etc etc.
Like any revolution it starts with one or two people, who else was having the kinda matches which they had during that time in NA? and ODB was a great character and I think the beautiful people were outstanding as a package. Gail especially was a trail blazer and played pivotal roles in the main event picture to, dynamic roles from valet/enforcer/performer etcTbh, I really question that because who else was there besides Gail Kim and Awesome Kong?
Fair point. There's no denying that those matches were revolutionary because no women wrestlers on a North American TV show were wrestling that well. Eventhough WWE will try and tell us that they blazed the trail by having Lita and Trish main-event RAW lol. I loved the Beautiful People mainly because...they were hot. But I agree they were pretty good as a package.Like any revolution it starts with one or two people, who else was having the kinda matches which they had during that time in NA? and ODB was a great character and I think the beautiful people were outstanding as a package. Gail especially was a trail blazer and played pivotal roles in the main event picture to, dynamic roles from valet/enforcer/performer etc
Fair point. There's no denying that those matches were revolutionary because no women wrestlers on a North American TV show were wrestling that well. Eventhough WWE will try and tell us that they blazed the trail by having Lita and Trish main-event RAW lol. I loved the Beautiful People mainly because...they were hot. But I agree they were pretty good as a package.
Completely forgot the tag teams. Freaking Beer Money, MCMG, LAX. Dudleys were doing some good work during that time period too eventhough they were past their prime.Womens division had something unique to offer
The tag teams were so cool with their character work and fast pace
The upper mid card basically highlighted the smaller guys in a creative way with high octane action from the X division.
Then in the main event wasn’t afraid of giving independent wrestlers a shot or those considered washed by the WWE, you go back and watch Ron Killings, Ken Shamrock or Styles win the NWA title you feel something man, Jeff did hog the title a bit and you can consider the main event picture a little weak in developing/pushing the TNA originals
Completely forgot the tag teams. Freaking Beer Money, MCMG, LAX. Dudleys were doing some good work during that time period too eventhough they were past their prime.
I haven't watched anything from their weekly PPV era. I'll definitely go back and check those out.
Btw I started watching Lucha Underground again and I am beginning to enjoy it. I think it requires a little extra suspension of disbelief especially since I'm not a fan of intergender wrestling. But I like their unique storytelling and all the weird Aztec parallels lol. And the wrestling is pretty good too. What impresses me most is how well they were able to bring a streamlined version of lucha libre to an American audience. Also, the commentary is so good. Old Striker can be a bit of a mark sometimes but he is so much better than Excalibur who is a similar type of commentator. And Vampiro ofcourse is just brilliant.
Oh yes. America's Most Wanted was one of the highlights of the early days. Chris Harris, he had some potential man.Or America's Most Wanted with the Wild Cat Chris Haris!
If anything, especially watch the weekly PPV's where AJ Styles was booked, you can tell from then he was something special. Those events were my first exposure to his work because I never actually knew he worked for WCW.
See LU more in the vein of a Hollywood Movie production and it's a lot more fun, I didn't take it too seriously unless they did something deeply offensive. But apart from that it was pretty wild and the Aztec stuff was amazing because am a big History buff and was like, yes please! Ah Striker was fantastic mate! I think he can come across as a bit of a dork with his stats and what not, but it worked on Lucha Underground!!
Probably, but the madman Goldberg busted himself open before the match had ever started by smashing his head against the locker room door.The match layout was interesting and they went all out, it wasn’t expected to be so long, would it have been better if Goldberg had not concussed himself?
I am sure Triple H is responsible for everything that is wrong with this world.
This was cool, such a cool moment, it's sad what happened to her. We can't overlook the role of Triple H and Steph in hear death, am serious here, they gave their friends so much support over the years with rehab and opportunity, despite Chyna's efforts to want to reintegrate in Wrestling, those attempts were vetoed by those two sick individuals.
I am sure Triple H is responsible for everything that is wrong with this world.
Man, you are losing it with your Triple H hate.
Jinder Mahal: Free agent
Heath Slater: Contract ending soon...
Drew McIntyre: Yet to renew WWE contract
This can be leading to only one thing...A 3MB Reunion in AEW.
Oh yes. America's Most Wanted was one of the highlights of the early days. Chris Harris, he had some potential man.
Haha yeah apparently AJ got in right towards the end of WCW in the cruiserweight division. But definitely I'll check those out.
Yeah you're right that's how it should be viewed. I was actually really impressed by how cinematic it was. But when I found out Robert Rodriguez was involved in it, and I was like yeah...makes sense. Yeah I can't rip on Striker because I do enjoy him. He and Vamp are a great team and bounce off each other really well. And tbh, you need a knowledgeable person like Striker to inform/educate the American audience about certain things related to lucha libre that they may not know.
Probably, but the madman Goldberg busted himself open before the match had ever started by smashing his head against the locker room door.
Somehow feel like this was a disaster waiting to happen. I love Taker but he was really pushing it 2017 onwards. And I think he would admit that himself in the Last Ride doc. They should have learned their lesson after DX v Taker/Kane match ended up being such a trainwreck. Because Goldberg is literally the worst guy they could have put him in that ring against. I'm just glad Taker made out of that match alive. The botched jackhammer was just scary.The entrances were so epic I was super hyped, if that idiot did not concuss himself twice, first that door you mention, then how he killed himself running into the ring post maybe it could have been something similar to Berg/Brock 3, after those two incidents he was out of it. I wish Bret was on commentary for it.
Somehow feel like this was a disaster waiting to happen. I love Taker but he was really pushing it 2017 onwards. And I think he would admit that himself in the Last Ride doc. They should have learned their lesson after DX v Taker/Kane match ended up being such a trainwreck. Because Goldberg is literally the worst guy they could have put him in that ring against. I'm just glad Taker made out of that match alive. The botched jackhammer was just scary.
Yup. That was a pretty cool finisher. TNA had alot of revolutionary wrestling for the time. If you think about it today's fast-paced, high workrate style owes alot to TNA and the X-Division guys. Even the Canadian Destroyer was created by Petey Williams.He had one of the best finishers to, that fallaway slam into the rock bottom, TNA were creative with their finishers and they were sort of the first to hit them from unique spots. They were genuinely focussed on being so different.
I forgot RR was involved, it gives it all the more reason to watch. I can’t recall when I stopped watching it, which season but it was a blast while it lasted, I don’t think I watched it from the point when Rey was there which I needed to do, because he is the godfather of Lucha and it must have been so cool to have him there
Yup. That was a pretty cool finisher. TNA had alot of revolutionary wrestling for the time. If you think about it today's fast-paced, high workrate style owes alot to TNA and the X-Division guys. Even the Canadian Destroyer was created by Petey Williams.
Yes I believe Rey came on in the later seasons. Definitely looking forward to that.
Somehow feel like this was a disaster waiting to happen. I love Taker but he was really pushing it 2017 onwards. And I think he would admit that himself in the Last Ride doc. They should have learned their lesson after DX v Taker/Kane match ended up being such a trainwreck. Because Goldberg is literally the worst guy they could have put him in that ring against. I'm just glad Taker made out of that match alive. The botched jackhammer was just scary.
@shaz619 is soon going to snap resulting in the biggest heel turn of PP when he joins the PP hifive taggers Kliq and starts spamming the whole PP. Shaz don't get seduced by the dark side.I am sure Triple H is responsible for everything that is wrong with this world.
Man, you are losing it with your Triple H hate.
@shaz619 is soon going to snap resulting in the biggest heel turn of PP when he joins the PP hifive taggers Kliq and starts spamming the whole PP. Shaz don't get seduced by the dark side.
WWE Rivalries, Undertaker-Michaels spanning over 15 years better than anything Hollywood Bolywood or Netflix can come up with
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villain.AEW fans begging Jericho to retire during a 60 min match apparently last Sunday
WWE RAW Lineup (April 22, 2024 Episode)
- Andrade & Ricochet vs. Dominik Mysterio & J.D. McDonagh
- World Tag Team Championship: Awesome Truth vs. DIY
- New Women’s World Champion will be crowned
- Gunther to make first appearance after WrestleMania 40
No I haven't but that sounds pure Tony@RedwoodOriginal Have you seen that video of Tony Khan begging fans to stay for ROH ? proper cringe and besti bro
I thought it was a good PPV from a match-quality standpoint. But somehow the company still feels colder than ever...even after this PPV and them crowning a new champion.They can't even sell out their PPV's now what a shambles and even the hipster smarks have turned on their shitty product, Tony deserves it, and so do AEW for their diabolical mismanagement. The company is colossal joke, literally they can only beg people to watch their programming now and resort to extremely desperate measures.
WWE RAW Lineup (April 22, 2024 Episode)
- Andrade & Ricochet vs. Dominik Mysterio & J.D. McDonagh
- World Tag Team Championship: Awesome Truth vs. DIY
- New Women’s World Champion will be crowned
- Gunther to make first appearance after WrestleMania 40
I thought it was a good PPV from a match-quality standpoint. But somehow the company still feels colder than ever...even after this PPV and them crowning a new champion.
Roderick Strong v Kyle O'Reilly and Okada v PAC were pretty good. The main-event Joe v Swerve was good. Danielson v Ospreay was awesome. The rest was pretty standard stuff. Jack Perry showed up in the Young Bucks match. Jericho has go-away heat. Almost none of the matches except the main-event had any real story.
Absolutely. You can't build sustained interest in your product without compelling, long-term storytelling. They ended up blowing it by the end, but atleast with MJF/Adam Cole there was some storytelling going there. Right now, its like everything feels like an excuse to get to a match.I think their own fans are not happy with the leadership to and a lot of their matches lack steam, he books for a nice audience but spends insane sums and wants to do the events in stadiums which he can’t sell out, it’s a recipe for disaster and soul destroying for fans and his roster. He is booking everything for Meltzer, not to get anybody over or to take his business to another level
It's probably Jericho's last year with AEW as full time guy. He'll probably transition to backstage role if there's any in AEW and I am pretty sure Tony will be offering him millions just to keep him signed to AEW. He's still the biggest name AEW have on their roster under his best known in ring name.Absolutely. You can't build sustained interest in your product without compelling, long-term storytelling. They ended up blowing it by the end, but atleast with MJF/Adam Cole there was some storytelling going there. Right now, its like everything feels like an excuse to get to a match.
I think even AEW's most die-hard fans have started admitting that Tony does not know how to book. All the guys that get over, get over on their matches, name value or their personality like Swerve. Because remember Tony booked Swerve as a heel when he started pushing him and until recently Swerve was drinking Adam Page's blood and threatening his infant child.
It was also interesting to see how much go away heat Jericho has with the AEW fans. They were literally chanting 'Go Away Jericho' in his match with Hook lol, although I found the match kind of enjoyable. I know that Jericho probably thinks that he is being really smart and clever by playing off the perception among everyone that he just wants to stay relevant by working with and beating young/popular guys, but its so obvious and so lame. Jericho with his constant heel and face turns is starting to remind me of Big Show.
Basically Perry is just signed to AEW because Bucks are EVPs there and Tony can't say no to them.@shaz619 Now that Jack Perry is back, I'm guessing they should have him come out to Cult of Personality. Tony loves burning money on music and they will have to get creative going forward if they want to continue making CM Punk a part of the show. He is after all their biggest ratings draw. Jack Perry knows where his bread is buttered. He has already started basing his entire personality off Punk. I do find it funny though that Jack Perry needed to get choked out for anyone give a sh!t about him.
I hope it is. Because he is not doing anyone any favors with the way he is performing in the ring and his angles aren't really that interesting either.It's probably Jericho's last year with AEW as full time guy. He'll probably transition to backstage role if there's any in AEW and I am pretty sure Tony will be offering him millions just to keep him signed to AEW. He's still the biggest name AEW have on their roster under his best known in ring name.
MJF carried AEW admirably on his back for well over a year.
Bryan has only been booked as the dream match guy rather than the face of the company which is stupid business wise.
Swerve seems to be an adept learner. He might not be as good as MJF, but it will be a good test for him to see how he goes.
Joe was a perfect transitional champion and him putting over Swerve does seem like a big deal.
It will be pathetic if Swerve ends up losing the title to Hangman Page of everyone.
And because Tony places more importance on Observer star ratings than Nielsen TV ratings and thinks the Bucks have any kind of value in 2024.Basically Perry is just signed to AEW because Bucks are EVPs there and Tony can't say no to them.
Basically Meltzer is running AEW as the whole AEW is booked to please him and gather as many stars as they can. Tells you how awful of a booker Meltzer would have been if he was in the business and any promotion would have folded by now if it was not financed by a billionaire.And because Tony places more importance on Observer star ratings than Nielsen TV ratings and thinks the Bucks have any kind of value in 2024.
Swerve was the only good thing about that weird faction of top dolla etc in nxt. He seems to be a guy who is always keen on improving.I hope it is. Because he is not doing anyone any favors with the way he is performing in the ring and his angles aren't really that interesting either.
Yeah they've done well with Swerve so far, which I attribute more to Swerve than Tony. Because Tony never booked him as a babyface. At any rate, they've got someone of value but I can't say I have that much hope for him.
No my guess is Swerve will be champion till All In, where he will lose the belt to Ospreay. Adam Page could be his first feud.
I would say its more AEW catering to the most niche group of wrestling fans who watch indies, NJPW etc. and are people who have always populated message boards...who made Young Bucks popular on the indies and watched their Youtube show. I mean Meltzer didn't used to be the way he is these days. He used to be a somewhat respected wrestling journalist and didn't lose his mind over some average TV match with a few high spots. If you go back and read some of the Observers from previous years, they are a good way to understand what's going on in pro-wrestling during that time. I even agree with alot of the ratings he has given matches in the past. But around 2017, he really started losing his marbles with Omega and Ospreay matches. And then he just changed his personality to match the personality of the die-hard wrestling mark of today that loves the modern style of wrestling.Basically Meltzer is running AEW as the whole AEW is booked to please him and gather as many stars as they can. Tells you how awful of a booker Meltzer would have been if he was in the business and any promotion would have folded by now if it was not financed by a billionaire.
Absolutely. You can't build sustained interest in your product without compelling, long-term storytelling. They ended up blowing it by the end, but atleast with MJF/Adam Cole there was some storytelling going there. Right now, its like everything feels like an excuse to get to a match.
I think even AEW's most die-hard fans have started admitting that Tony does not know how to book. All the guys that get over, get over on their matches, name value or their personality like Swerve. Because remember Tony booked Swerve as a heel when he started pushing him and until recently Swerve was drinking Adam Page's blood and threatening his infant child.
It was also interesting to see how much go away heat Jericho has with the AEW fans. They were literally chanting 'Go Away Jericho' in his match with Hook lol, although I found the match kind of enjoyable. I know that Jericho probably thinks that he is being really smart and clever by playing off the perception among everyone that he just wants to stay relevant by working with and beating young/popular guys, but its so obvious and so lame. Jericho with his constant heel and face turns is starting to remind me of Big Show.
That'd be too much of a hassle to read won.I would say its more AEW catering to the most niche group of wrestling fans who watch indies, NJPW etc. and are people who have always populated message boards...who made Young Bucks popular on the indies and watched their Youtube show. I mean Meltzer didn't used to be the way he is these days. He used to be a somewhat respected wrestling journalist and didn't lose his mind over some average TV match with a few high spots. If you go back and read some of the Observers from previous years, they are a good way to understand what's going on in pro-wrestling during that time. I even agree with alot of the ratings he has given matches in the past. But around 2017, he really started losing his marbles with Omega and Ospreay matches. And then he just changed his personality to match the personality of the die-hard wrestling mark of today that loves the modern style of wrestling.
that was such an awful match Sid vs Taker.The nostalgia takes back to 90s Wrestling on YouTube, Sid v Undertaker another epic contest and two stars seemed perfect match for each other in WWF Undertaker use to do suplex which went missing sfter late 90s, Also there is Taker v Hitman short clip where Hitman is breezely spanking Undertaker , that was another classic rivalry , Taker v Hart
Not really interested. Don't think Bo is as good as Bray when it comes to doing those spooky characters. But I understand it might be an emotional deal for Bo.What do you guys think about WWE bringing back the Uncle Howdy character with Bo Dallas? They have started showing QR Codes during RAW the same way they did with Bray, which means his return is around the corner. I feel like alot of people might have a problem with this because of it's association with Bray but I wanna see what they do.
AEW is basically just a big budget indie show.Paul Heyman, Eric, Jeff Jarett, Jim Cornette and even Dixie to an extent, can't believe I said that, and oh Gabe Sapolsky; all had their fair share of highs and lows, but even in their lows I have not seen any sort of attempt to compete with WWE fall this low. These guys started small/humble and kept building, where they lacked in resource, they made up for it in innovation, and creating a genuine identity / product ethos. AEW doesn't have an identity or real culture; this plagued them right from the start, they were just the flavour of the month and Punk helped mask the cracks. I think Collision came the closest to presenting itself as the alternate to WWE which AEW as a whole should have been.
AEW is basically just a big budget indie show.
It always makes me laugh when people remind him of that in interviews. That he never gave Kurt match a 5 star rating. I hope people never let him live that down.That'd be too much of a hassle to read won.
The fact that he never gave any Kurt Angle, Daniel Bryan(in WWE), Eddie Gurrero (WWE), Undertaker(after 1998), HBK(in his second run), Benoit (in WWE), Edge, Randy etc etc a single 5 star match shows how much bias the imbecile has against wwe. Plus he's been giving every other match 5+ stars in last 7-8 years which is stupid.
It always makes me laugh when people remind him of that in interviews. That he never gave Kurt match a 5 star rating. I hope people never let him live that down.