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TeymurBlake said:
The issue I have been contemplating on regarding the weekly WWE shows is that Raw feels unmissable yet Smackdown lacks something.


Until I realised yesterday that Smackdown doesn't have a definitive TOP heel. Solo Sikoa is a work in progress, Austin Theory & Waller are meh, Owens or Orton turning heel would be a temporary fix & bar Jacob Fatu, other members of the new bloodline feel very much placeholders for tag team wrestling.

Andrade is a interesting option to look at but it seems like the new regime want push him like a babyface rather than heel with Zelina by his side.

My point is😅 their are too many baby faces on Smackdown but not enough heels. Love to know what you guys think.
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i'd say not good enough heels in SD. Austin Theory is good but he needs a revamped character after the butchering he's suffered at the hands of Vince, Trips and Cena on main roster. Cody's super cena run is also not helping matters as there's no heat on him and he looks to have a lengthy reign. Ciampa would make a befitting heel but he's not over with the main roster audience. Cody's reign would be dead till Dwayne comes back during the Rumble-Mania season and light it up.

The lack of Brock, Roman, Bryan and AJ from weekly tv is quite big tbh. Cody feels too big for the entire roster when roman's not around and for some reason LA Knight feels like the biggest star right now on SD even though there's Randy and KO there but are in a void of a feud.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
i'd say not good enough heels in SD. Austin Theory is good but he needs a revamped character after the butchering he's suffered at the hands of Vince, Trips and Cena on main roster. Cody's super cena run is also not helping matters as there's no heat on him and he looks to have a lengthy reign. Ciampa would make a befitting heel but he's not over with the main roster audience. Cody's reign would be dead till Dwayne comes back during the Rumble-Mania season and light it up.

The lack of Brock, Roman, Bryan and AJ from weekly tv is quite big tbh. Cody feels too big for the entire roster when roman's not around and for some reason LA Knight feels like the biggest star right now on SD even though there's Randy and KO there but are in a void of a feud.
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It doesn't help in Cody's case when their is expectations that he will get a lengthy reign as a champ as well as face The Rock next mania.
 
Didn’t watch the whole event, but Punk vs Drew in the strap match was a great watch; the touching of poles was pretty dumb, don’t think it needed that, but they made it work and as with all Punk matches, this was a very psychological encounter. The last couple of matches which Drew has had have been some of the best in his entire career. I don’t know if this rivalry will end now, but think there is more to explore and continue; obviously some may argue it may not be the best use of Punk as others wont get to work with him, though we rarely see year long rivalries of this quality in the WWE; they should take a page out of the HBK/Jericho 08 book. Maybe even bring the WHC into their feud.
 
Suleiman said:
A sad end to Dominik Bhai’s reign of home wife, mami and side work wife. :yk

Real talk he has become bigger than just the Mysterio name. Rather than rely on his dad’s reputation he has made a name for himself in his own right.
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I never thought Dom Dom would be anything when he first came..looked like a create your wresler in 2k games. Now the guy has Liv and ria fighting over him at one time..I am jealous as ****

Wwe really missed the opportunity to make a ladder match for the custody of Dom Dom..last time papi lost the match when Dom Dom's custody was at stake..this time Mami would win
 
Dhakar Pola said:
I never thought Dom Dom would be anything when he first came..looked like a create your wresler in 2k games. Now the guy has Liv and ria fighting over him at one time..I am jealous as ****

Wwe really missed the opportunity to make a ladder match for the custody of Dom Dom..last time papi lost the match when Dom Dom's custody was at stake..this time Mami would win
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Dom did an interview on Logan’s YT, said something along the lines of one of their plans to deploy him above the ring in a shark cage lol That would have 100% happened under Vince and been entertaining as hell
 
shaz619 said:
Dom did an interview on Logan’s YT, said something along the lines of one of their plans to deploy him above the ring in a shark cage lol That would have 100% happened under Vince and been entertaining as hell
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At the end Vince would sack Domy and get Liv and Rea fighting over his sorry ass
 
Dhakar Pola said:
At the end Vince would sack Domy and get Liv and Rea fighting over his sorry ass
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Vince would insert himself into the story line and make Rhea do Rikishi’s finisher on him in the corner and then make Dom & Liv make out in front of their real life partner in the audience or something. Then wait a minute, Bobbly Lashley returns and he is making out with Liv now and Dom’s fiance, Dom has to watch this off course and will then be fired for allowing it to happen
 
shaz619 said:
Taker is an aberration, and if you watched the Last Ride series you’d see the unspeakable abuse he put his body through. He came from Texas, the heart of the territory era and closely followed the Von Erich’s. He was a huge wrestling fan to say the least and I think it’s where he wanted to be, he got into the game early enough and was a student of the game, so this actually showed in his work / being exposed through the dangerous alliance, working with Heyman, Sting etc he was destined for greatness. Take was a tremendous athlete for his size and his agility came from his early wrestling career and competing in Div 2 of the NCAA, this tends to go under the radar but it explains his tremendous conditioning for someone his size, they use to have him run something like 2 miles in 10 minutes and if he failed, early morning sprints etc Doing all the conditioning work early and being such a huge fan of guys who were not just over but great workers heavily influenced him. This wont ever be repeated again, you talk about Ali’s invincibility in Boxing, Don Bradman’s 99 avg, Babe Ruth in Baseball, Michael Jordan in Basketball, Taker truly is one of a kind and cut from the same cloth when it comes to the mount rush more of the best big men, in fact you could argue his case for the best ever.

And honestly due to that I’d not compare Sid with Taker due to those reasons. Sid was bought up somewhere on a farm in West Memphis, he struggled with sports early and blossomed late like those skinny friends of yours who you see after years and are stunned by their physical transformation, he became more of an athlete later in life and did well in a number of sports. He wasn’t really a fan of the business and a chance encounter with Randy Savage in the gym got him into the business, so he basically had to learn on the job. And when he got over the way he did just on the fundamentals and his strong character, there wasn’t more which needed to be added, he was largely safe and did the job getting heat on the smaller baby faces. He wasn’t a ring general, but personally I will remember him for his purple patch and the matches he had with the likes of Shawn, Bret & Mankind, I think he is one of the better examples of the guys who started late but worked well enough to be effective and understand the purpose of the true purpose of the business. So I think he deserves to be considered among the best big guys to come out of NA, very few will be remembered for the kind of peak he did now, like when am older I wont recall much of Seth’s career but I wont forget Sid’s nutty promos or the matches which propelled Shawn to new heights.
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Great post and point well made. Can't say I'll ever be a big fan of his matches (even the early ones from his WWF run) but Sid definitely was a unique individual who left an indelible mark on the business. RIP.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Sad to know about Sid Vicious.
That guy was built like a tank in his prime.

One of his greatest achievements was managing to go through his promo during the Shockmaster debut without breaking character. It was the biggest and the most funniest botched entrance of all time. Booker T was hilarious in it

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That Shockmaster debut is so iconic that people forget how great Sid was in that segment :ROFLMAO:
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
That Shockmaster debut is so iconic that people forget how great Sid was in that segment :ROFLMAO:
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Kudos to his professionalism during that moment. I think even Undertaker would have found it hard to not break character. The guys speaking behind the cameras made it even more funny.
 
TeymurBlake said:
It's been awhile ain't it boys?

I thought All In was solid & looking forward to Bash in Berlin.
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It was a pretty solid show but felt like it was missing something. As expected, MJF v Ospreay was the best match of the night. Though I quite enjoyed Danielson v Swerve and the Casino Gauntlet Match was an enjoyable Royal Rumble substitute too.
 
shaz619 said:
Didn’t watch the whole event, but Punk vs Drew in the strap match was a great watch; the touching of poles was pretty dumb, don’t think it needed that, but they made it work and as with all Punk matches, this was a very psychological encounter. The last couple of matches which Drew has had have been some of the best in his entire career. I don’t know if this rivalry will end now, but think there is more to explore and continue; obviously some may argue it may not be the best use of Punk as others wont get to work with him, though we rarely see year long rivalries of this quality in the WWE; they should take a page out of the HBK/Jericho 08 book. Maybe even bring the WHC into their feud.
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Punk and Drew made it work but personally speaking, this is one of my least favourite match stipulations. I can't say I have ever seen a good strap match where you couldn't win by using pinfalls or submissions and had to touch these dumb poles. Pretty comprehensive win for Punk but I think this feud is heading towards a HIAC match at the Bad Blood PPV. Which should be the rubber match for this feud. Though they can certainly revisit it when Punk wins the World title.
 
Bash in Berlin was good but didn't feel like it was anything special. I am not a fan of these flat finishes where one guy just chokes the other one out with a submission. They feel so anticlimactic. They did it in the Danielson-Swerve match as well when the crowd would have popped off had Bryan won with his running knee after Page interfered.

Personally, I preferred Orton and Gunther's KOTR match much more to this. Though this was very solid and good and it was great seeing that kind of a reaction in Germany.

I feel like Orton and Owens both need to turn heel at some point because they have been beaten like drums and it makes no sense for them to continue going on like this. There has to be a breaking point in kayfabe.
 
All In was pretty good. Seeing a non-WWE wrestling company draw that kind of a crowd is always special to see. Even if it was nearly half of what they drew last year, Highlights for me were seeing Nigel McGuinness wrestle again, Toni Storm v Mariah May, which was really good. MJF v Ospreay (which was the best match of the night) and Danielson winning the World title. I thought Ricochet's debut was done pretty well too.

The rest of the matches ranged from bad to awful (seriously Jericho just retire). It was also amusing seeing the Bucks get their win back on FTR at Wembley and continue their destruction of the AEW tag team division. Even more amusing was seeing Jack Perry use real glass in his match with Darby. Marks will be marks I guess.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
All In was pretty good. Seeing a non-WWE wrestling company draw that kind of a crowd is always special to see. Even if it was nearly half of what they drew last year, Highlights for me were seeing Nigel McGuinness wrestle again, Toni Storm v Mariah May, which was really good. MJF v Ospreay (which was the best match of the night) and Danielson winning the World title. I thought Ricochet's debut was done pretty well too.

The rest of the matches ranged from bad to awful (seriously Jericho just retire). It was also amusing seeing the Bucks get their win back on FTR at Wembley and continue their destruction of the AEW tag team division. Even more amusing was seeing Jack Perry use real glass in his match with Darby. Marks will be marks I guess.
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Nigel wrestled again?! against who and why do I not know this, need to see this with no spoilers
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Bash in Berlin was good but didn't feel like it was anything special. I am not a fan of these flat finishes where one guy just chokes the other one out with a submission. They feel so anticlimactic. They did it in the Danielson-Swerve match as well when the crowd would have popped off had Bryan won with his running knee after Page interfered.

Personally, I preferred Orton and Gunther's KOTR match much more to this. Though this was very solid and good and it was great seeing that kind of a reaction in Germany.

I feel like Orton and Owens both need to turn heel at some point because they have been beaten like drums and it makes no sense for them to continue going on like this. There has to be a breaking point in kayfabe.
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That's Trips way of booking ppvs. Solid wrestling, a handful of matches without anything breathtaking or amazing.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Punk and Drew made it work but personally speaking, this is one of my least favourite match stipulations. I can't say I have ever seen a good strap match where you couldn't win by using pinfalls or submissions and had to touch these dumb poles. Pretty comprehensive win for Punk but I think this feud is heading towards a HIAC match at the Bad Blood PPV. Which should be the rubber match for this feud. Though they can certainly revisit it when Punk wins the World title.
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Bryan vs Bray strap match was amazing. Touching the poles was a stupid addition.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Bryan vs Bray strap match was amazing. Touching the poles was a stupid addition.
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Yeah love that match. Th Fiend gimmick routinely got criticised for how it buried Bray's opponents. But this was a great example of how you could make it work. Bryan is a master
 
shaz619 said:
@RedwoodOriginal What do you think of Cody’s reign so far?
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Not too impressed so far. Seems like they are struggling to find compelling opponents for him. I am also not a fan of the top babyface World Champion being in feuds with other babyfaces. But most of all, what has been missing is a truly evil heel who beats Cody within an inch of his life and makes the crowd sympathise with him. I feel like all his feuds have lacked heat. You know he is going to win and he looks too infallible.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Bryan vs Bray strap match was amazing. Touching the poles was a stupid addition.
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Touching the poles is the old school way of doing this match. But its dumb and has alot of holes. The strap and being tied to your opponent is enough to make the match interesting and unique.
 
Ospreay v PAC at All Out was absolutely amazing. An instant classic and one of the matches of the year. Quite enjoyed MJF v Garcia too. This was MJF trying his best to elevate Garcia and he did a pretty good job doing that. Swerve v Page was more of a horror movie than a match. And I dunno maybe its the slasher movie fan in me, that I kind of enjoyed this.
 
Hahaha this was a great line. I was 99% sure he was going to say Shawn Michaels and then he dropped this zinger :ROFLMAO:

 
The thing about good times is you never really realise you are in them. Feels like it was just yesterday that me and Shazzy were just living our lives to the fullest. No worry about the world. Just two pals having pure joy. Who would have known these two boys would go on to become the hottest free agents in the online commentary world.




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RedwoodOriginal said:
What about Page injecting a hypodermic needle into Swerve's face and then smashing his head through a steel chair?
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Missed these kinds of stuff in WWE. WWE is more of a movie and drama now instead of real live-action thriller stuff. AEWis pretty good in this stuff.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Missed these kinds of stuff in WWE. WWE is more of a movie and drama now instead of real live-action thriller stuff. AEWis pretty good in this stuff.
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I don't know if WWE ever went this far. Personally, I don't mind it because I have basically grown up on slasher movies. But I can see how many people would be turned off/disgusted by something like this.

In this match they:

- Used staple guns on each others faces and chests
- Hit powerbombs and vertebreakers on a cinderblock
- Put a hypodermic needle through a wrestler's cheek and then smash him in the head with a steel chair
 
shaz619 said:
This is huge now that will be one hell of a feud, though with the asterisk; shouldn’t they ought to get that bit resolved whether in reality or kayfabe first 🤣🤣 and they wonder why their high and mighty company can’t draw flies
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I'm just glad we are getting the match. Even it its basically with one week of build. Can't expect much from AEW from a storytelling perspective. So all we can do is hope for these two to deliver in the ring. I think they are hoping for some of the old ROH fans to turn up lol. This certainly has a better chance of drawing than most other matches Bryan could have had.
 
shaz619 said:
This is huge now that will be one hell of a feud, though with the asterisk; shouldn’t they ought to get that bit resolved whether in reality or kayfabe first 🤣🤣 and they wonder why their high and mighty company can’t draw flies
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Atleast they are trying to sell the seriousness of the attempted murder lol. Usually in AEW someone gets set on fire or run over by a car and next week they are on Dynamite.
 
@shaz619 Have you seen the match Nigel and Bryan had in Liverpool? I don't know if it was Pure Rules but it was one of the most physical ROH matches I've seen. They beat the everliving out of each other in front of a packed and partisan crowd. And ofcourse Gabe Sopolsky being booker meant the finish wasn't going to be the predicatable 'send the crowd happy' finish. These two had a number of memorable matches, both of them even had their last match in ROH against each other. But that Liverpool match somehow stands out the most for me.
 
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shaz619 said:
This is huge now that will be one hell of a feud, though with the asterisk; shouldn’t they ought to get that bit resolved whether in reality or kayfabe first 🤣🤣 and they wonder why their high and mighty company can’t draw flies
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Bryan vs Edge would definitely draw if booked properly.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
@shaz619 Have you seen the match Nigel and Bryan had in Liverpool? I don't know if it was Pure Rules but it was one of the most physical ROH matches I've seen. They beat the everliving out of each other in front of a packed and partisan crowd. And ofcourse Gabe Sopolsky being booker meant the finish wasn't going to be the predicatable 'send the crowd happy' finish. These two had a number of memorable matches, both of them even had their last match in ROH against each other. But that Liverpool match somehow stands out the most for me.
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The two had insane chemistry, it was for all the marbles that match, they had so many classics and while I would need to revisit, that one probably was the best, before that crowd and on that stage, everything built around that match. It wasn’t just two guys going out there and throwing hands, there was always a story to be told with Gabe, he just was so forward with his execution.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Atleast they are trying to sell the seriousness of the attempted murder lol. Usually in AEW someone gets set on fire or run over by a car and next week they are on Dynamite.
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I get it but like if it was a mania or an event which sells itself I would understand it better. Also, the match works better at Wembley and if they really wanted Bryan to work with Swerve, maybe it would have made more sense in NYC. The Bryan/Nigel match just deserves so much more honestly, but he’s just selling it to a niche audience who know the back story. And I don’t know what has happened with the Mox angle but that will have more heat as well. However, it will be nice to see Nigel get his moment and there’s no better man to work with.
 
shaz619 said:
It amazes me how they completely nullified Bryan’s drawing power
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And Edge as well. Bryan, Edge, Punk and Mox, you could build your whole company around them and grow it. But it's just so weird how as soon as a new name steps in AEW, they lose their drawing power.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
And Edge as well. Bryan, Edge, Punk and Mox, you could build your whole company around them and grow it. But it's just so weird how as soon as a new name steps in AEW, they lose their drawing power.
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When you don't know how to book and only care about booking bangers with no real build or storytelling, you won't draw even if you have Hogan, Bruno and Austin on your roster. That's all Tony cares about: booking bangers. WWE do zilch on any given episode of SmackDown but draw millions of viewers and packed houses because the personalities are strong and have been built up through strong and consistent booking.

You look at the booking of guys like Wardlow, Powerhouse Hobbs, Takeshita, Ricky Starks...even Adam Page, and you see that Tony is incapable of doing that. Guys like: Bryan, Okada, Ospreay, Mox were already over before coming to AEW. Wheras guys like: MJF, Swerve, The Acclaimed got over on their own and inspite of the booking.
 
shaz619 said:
I get it but like if it was a mania or an event which sells itself I would understand it better. Also, the match works better at Wembley and if they really wanted Bryan to work with Swerve, maybe it would have made more sense in NYC. The Bryan/Nigel match just deserves so much more honestly, but he’s just selling it to a niche audience who know the back story. And I don’t know what has happened with the Mox angle but that will have more heat as well. However, it will be nice to see Nigel get his moment and there’s no better man to work with.
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I thought so too. It should have been at Wembley. I think he just wanted Bryan to win the belt at Wembley because he knows he's going to have an even lower turnout in NYC this year. Grand Slam attendances have steadily dropped every year. The first year they drew over 20k for that show. Last year it was down to nearly half of that.

Yeah I mean what is even the point of acquiring ROH's digital library if you have no intention of using it? This feud should have had atleast a 4-week build, with Bryan and Nigel going back and forth on promos and a really well-edited and narrated video package chronicling their long history. This is one of the most frustrating things about AEW. They just expect their audience to know everything. Whether its something like this or every time some obscure wrestler from NJPW or CMLL that no one knows about walks onto their TV show.

What's impressive about Nigel is that he look in even better shape than he did during his wrestling days. It's almost as if he has been waiting for that moment to wrestle Bryan again...
 
shaz619 said:
The two had insane chemistry, it was for all the marbles that match, they had so many classics and while I would need to revisit, that one probably was the best, before that crowd and on that stage, everything built around that match. It wasn’t just two guys going out there and throwing hands, there was always a story to be told with Gabe, he just was so forward with his execution.
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Gabe was a gutsy booker who recognised that he was booking for smart fans that were tired of seeing the same old wrestling tropes and wanted to see something different. You look at the way he booked Samoa Joe's reign as World Champion, the ROH v CZW feud, or even Punk leaving for WWE with the belt, and you see what a smart and canny operator he was.
 
Jacob Fatu is the next Umaga. This guy has crazy potential and checks all the boxes of what it takes to be successful in this business. Infact I can't think of many people of that size that are this athletic.
 
Dhakar Pola said:
he is better than umaga
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Athletically he is. But remains to be seen if he is better in other aspects. Umaga was a beast and one hell of a monster heel, who doesn't get enough credit because of his short-lived run at the top. It's a shame they never put the belt on him. Because he was the perfect opponent for Cena back then.

His Last Man Standing match with Cena is maybe one of Cena's best matches ever.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Athletically he is. But remains to be seen if he is better in other aspects. Umaga was a beast and one hell of a monster heel, who doesn't get enough credit because of his short-lived run at the top. It's a shame they never put the belt on him. Because he was the perfect opponent for Cena back then.
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Whatever I saw of him in mlw and indies on YouTube he is better at mic and other aspects as well. He was kinda chubby before but this guy is so serious before his WWE debut he trimmed down.
 
Really enjoying Kevin Nash tearing Logan Paul a new one. He is 100% right ofcourse. There is a big difference between a guy who spends his entire life perfecting the craft of pro-wrestling and someone who happens to be a good athlete, goes in and trains a couple of months to do a well-rehearsed match.

As much as I love Cornette, I find it hypocritical how he razes down other celebs like Bad Bunny but seems to have very little issue with Logan Paul. At the end of the day, its about the principle that Cornette himself preaches: a celebrity coming in and doing really well makes the business look bad because if its that easy then what makes the pro-wrestlers so damn special?

It still shocks me that they put the US title on him for 200+ days.
 
Dhakar Pola said:
Whatever I saw of him in mlw and indies on YouTube he is better at mic and other aspects as well. He was kinda chubby before but this guy is so serious before his WWE debut he trimmed down.
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That may be true but at the end of the day, that's still the minor leagues. What I like about him though is that he feels like a fully formed character. Umaga had the misfortune of spending most of his career as a comedy wrestler in a jobber tag team. He barely had 2 years at the top before he passed away. Jacob Fatu has the benefit of being treated like a star right out of the gate. Definitely has a much higher celling than Umaga but this is a crazy business where anything can happen, so let's see.
 
The nostalgia takes me back to WWE of early 2000s , Goldberg vs Evolution , Randy Orton was thrown like a pillow be it Military Press , Jackhammer and running ring Spear.
 
Not watched much lately but saw Cody vs Solo in the cage, it’s free on YT. Pretty decent match tbh as good as it possibly could be for the modern era, Solo also appears to have improved considerably in the ring. The investment is paying off.
 
shaz619 said:
Not watched much lately but saw Cody vs Solo in the cage, it’s free on YT. Pretty decent match tbh as good as it possibly could be for the modern era, Solo also appears to have improved considerably in the ring. The investment is paying off.
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Yeah thought so too. Pretty decent for a TV Cage match. Solo doesn't seem to be as garbage in the ring as his brothers. Think they could actually get somewhere with him.
 
Lucha Bros seem to be headed to the WWE, I will give them credit for seeing where the tide has always been.

Not been a huge fan of their spot based style (mainly in AEW), though it sort of worked in LU.

Think they could benefit from working with Shawn for a bit before going to the main roster.

In other news, NXT did a number > than Rampage/Collision combined, I don’t know the mechanics of that, but Punk was on the NXT show.
 
@RedwoodOriginal Was Vince involved in the making of his documentary for the most part, I may have read something about that ages ago, if he was, still makes it very interesting to get an insight into his mind, though they would have taken back the creative direction of it after what happened; if that’s the case it’s must see because you get both sides of the picture.
 
shaz619 said:
Lucha Bros seem to be headed to the WWE, I will give them credit for seeing where the tide has always been.

Not been a huge fan of their spot based style (mainly in AEW), though it sort of worked in LU.

Think they could benefit from working with Shawn for a bit before going to the main roster.

In other news, NXT did a number > than Rampage/Collision combined, I don’t know the mechanics of that, but Punk was on the NXT show.
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Think they are super talented. WWE seems to be making an effort to revive their tag team division. Motor City Machine Guns are also rumored to debut imminently in NXT. If the rumors are true I couldn't be happier for them. They are one of the greatest tag teams of the modern era and it's high time they got to show what they are capable of on the biggest stage there is.

I hope though that the booking of the tag team division improves too. Right now, there's nothing differentiating it from the way Vince booked it. Which was to basically use the tag belts as canon fodder for elevating a faction or a potential break-up between two friends. They need to stop being stepping stones to bigger and better things and need to have some value of their own.
 
shaz619 said:
@RedwoodOriginal Was Vince involved in the making of his documentary for the most part, I may have read something about that ages ago, if he was, still makes it very interesting to get an insight into his mind, though they would have taken back the creative direction of it after what happened; if that’s the case it’s must see because you get both sides of the picture.
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Nope. Neither he nor WWE are involved in this. From what I've heard the creative direction has changed considerably since the project was announced. I do find it funny though that Netflix is behind it. Considering they just signed a billions of dollars worth deal to bring RAW to their platform.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Think they are super talented. WWE seems to be making an effort to revive their tag team division. Motor City Machine Guns are also rumored to debut imminently in NXT. If the rumors are true I couldn't be happier for them. They are one of the greatest tag teams of the modern era and it's high time they got to show what they are capable of on the biggest stage there is.

I hope though that the booking of the tag team division improves too. Right now, there's nothing differentiating it from the way Vince booked it. Which was to basically use the tag belts as canon fodder for elevating a faction or a potential break-up between two friends. They need to stop being stepping stones to bigger and better things and need to have some value of their own.
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The division from the limited I watch hasn’t changed post Vince, but lets see. I think the biggest buy would be FTR and building the division around them. I think DIY are doing their thing but the presentation has been weak.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Nope. Neither he nor WWE are involved in this. From what I've heard the creative direction has changed considerably since the project was announced. I do find it funny though that Netflix is behind it. Considering they just signed a billions of dollars worth deal to bring RAW to their platform.
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What about the segments involving Vince, did he just simply agree to appear and allow them to do their thing?
 
shaz619 said:
The division from the limited I watch hasn’t changed post Vince, but lets see. I think the biggest buy would be FTR and building the division around them. I think DIY are doing their thing but the presentation has been weak.
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DIY have not been booked well. They got squashed by The Bloodline last I saw. FTR would be a big get. Them aligning with Punk could be good too. But they need ateast 4-5 good tag teams to make the division mean something.

Not sure FTR would be so happy to jump ship though considering how theyw ere buried by HHH and his buddies and just the way they were let go.
 
shaz619 said:
What about the segments involving Vince, did he just simply agree to appear and allow them to do their thing?
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Not sure. I think he allowed them to use WWE footage but the rest of the stuff that happened after that is public record so I'm sure they had no issue documenting that.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Not sure. I think he allowed them to use WWE footage but the rest of the stuff that happened after that is public record so I'm sure they had no issue documenting that.
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So there’s no ‘new’ footage recorded by Vince and possibly others 🤔 could have been an all timer if it was!
 
shaz619 said:
So there’s no ‘new’ footage recorded by Vince and possibly others 🤔 could have been an all timer if it was!
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No I don't think Vince has spoken publicly since those allegations came out that led to this ouster. I do wonder who the talking heads are on this? I would be disappointed if its the same ignorant New York radio hosts that WWE always gets for their documentaries.
 
@shaz619 So I just saw the trailer for this. And apparently it's a fully authorized doc. Vince is in this as an exclusive talking head himself. As are guys like Hogan, Rock, Austin, Cena, Triple H. Bischoff, Bruce Prichard. I'm guessing the interviews with Vince were filmed long before the allegations came out. Should be an interesting watch. With the current developments I am sure alot of Vince's words here will end up being viewed from a very different lens.
 
When WWE moves to netflix for non USA customers do anyone know if the entire WWE network content that's currently available on peacock will also move?

Like if I am not in USA will I be able to watch old attitude era raws?

USA customers won't be able to see as only raw is moving to netflix for them that's I am sure. And non USA customers will get smackdown and nxt also in netflix. But I am not sure about WWE archives
 
shaz619 said:
The division from the limited I watch hasn’t changed post Vince, but lets see. I think the biggest buy would be FTR and building the division around them. I think DIY are doing their thing but the presentation has been weak.
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WWE casual audience will only view Lucha Bros as the new Sin Cara and Kalisto. I watched some of their matches in AEW but their style is simply not for me. Spot oriented wrestling and mindless tag in tag outs.
 
None of the Cody's feuds since Mania has had any heat. His feud with AJ was good but the matches made it. The feud was meh.
Solo vs Cody has been meh as well and I have no interest in watching them fight. Appearances of Roman have been the best part about it.
 
shaz619 said:
Those were the days
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Ruthless aggression era Raw main event scene was depressing as hell with Trips holding the title for years with main events being meddled with No Results or DQ. Batista winning it and properly dethroning Trips was the best part about it. The only good thing IMO was watching Trips defending that title against Maven (of all people) on Heat (of all shows).
Shawn was constantly jobbing out to Trips. Benoit had a good 3-4 month run and then it went back to Trips.
 
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