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shaz619 said:
You know I am not convinced about Cena’s motivations, I feel there are some big plans in the works for him character-wise. And right now am not sure how we get to Cody v Cena, this years Chamber is going to be must see because you can make a case for a few guys to be in the title match.

I feel like they really want to make Tiffy and Charlotte can help with showcasing her on the biggest stage and giving her the best match, but a return with Rhea is not a bad shout at all, those two literally could fight forever, tremendous chemistry between the two
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I hope you're right and we get to see something different than what everyone is expecting. Cena's farewell run should be memorable, rather than predictable.
 
Suleiman said:
No, ishowspeed and Logan Laal are too good to pass up for bacha party and marketing… seriously he made the entire roster look like a joke and non serious with these idiotic decisions and zero use of the actual stars in the rumble.

his work in peacemaker where is he essentially a rogue

cherry on top will be karrion kross playing a role in Cody’s eventual downfall into homelander like madness as per his gimmick.

It’s an absolute travesty that Karrion and Gable got treated like jobbers, Karrion didn’t even feature in the RR while buffoons and clowns like speed and Logan are in the RR. Both these idiots would have popcorn and beer thrown at them in the 90s or even 2000s. Every time it looks like trips is making the wwe a better place he has to make one of brainfart decisions as usual
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I understand the idea of wanting to expand your audience. But there's a fine line between gaining more popularity and whoring out the product. You're kinda giving a middle-finger to pro-wrestling by involving these people and making everyone think that anyone can do this.

I dunno about Kross. He has kinda been booked like a midcarder ever since he came back. I doubt they will push him beyond that.
 
shaz619 said:
I was getting Shawn, Benoit & H rivalry vibes there on the way to WM 20. Did you see H getting himself inducted in the HOF by his bestie, that’s what Molvi Saab would do
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Tbf to him the guy is a bonafide HOF so I suppose it made sense Shawn and Taker inducted him. Imagine Bret Hart being asked to induct him :ROFLMAO: He was going to cuss his mum and dad on the induction speech and invoke laanat-E-Jahanam on him. Bret hates HHH more than he does Shawn:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
The_KING said:
Cena never turning heel was a big illustration of Vince losing his magic touch.
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Apparently it was for the many kids who were suffering from life threatening health issues that loved Cena the super hero. I get that. Right now it made no sense though, even a mild turn would be ok, he doesn’t have to go full evil. It just isn’t fair to the many greats of the past who put over superstars at their peak by turning heel.
 
Jey Uso as the Rumble winner. That was unexpected.

This reminds me of Shinsuke Nakamura's Rumble win.
 
Man i love Speed for this :yk

“You just asked me, does it hurt or does it hurt?” 😭

 
Rana said:
Tbf to him the guy is a bonafide HOF so I suppose it made sense Shawn and Taker inducted him. Imagine Bret Hart being asked to induct him :ROFLMAO: He was going to cuss his mum and dad on the induction speech and invoke laanat-E-Jahanam on him. Bret hates HHH more than he does Shawn:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
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That’s the most amusing thing, even at his most bitter post stroke, Bret never really gets the loy na danda out on Shawn. And has even gone as far as admitting to his mistakes which led to the deterioration of their relationship in the late 90’s, ultimately the WWF wanted to back Shawn as the next face of the company and Bret never really took that well. Shawn earned his respect in the ring as well and he always ranks him as one of the greatest ever (other than himself 🤣). H obviously played a huge role in the screwjob but I agree with Bret’s assessment that he was a 4/10 worker overall and outside the WWE realm H doesn’t really get the same adulation for his career. I saw this clip recently where Bret was saying he/Shawn text every now and then, also H is aware of Bret’s views but doesn’t really respond to them or prevent his connection to the WWE, similar with RVD although he does him dirty sometimes
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Roxanne Perez, Giulia, Jordynne Grace, Stephanie Vaquer. The future is bright for WWE's womens division.
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Perez was going to work on Charlotte’s leg in the dying seconds of the RR match like her life depended on it lol Shawn’s done a great job with the women’s division. Grace is a real powerhouse and brings something a bit more different. Vaquer’s great as a package, she received a huge pop, it seems some footage of her matches has been going viral lately.
 
WWE missed a big chance by not having Mo Deen eliminate John Cena in the rumble match. Their story has been developing for ages and Mo Deen is as popular as Speed and Logan Paul on social media.

Mo Deen v John Cena in a TLC at Wrestlemani would be the ultimate final match
 
Rana said:
Apparently it was for the many kids who were suffering from life threatening health issues that loved Cena the super hero. I get that. Right now it made no sense though, even a mild turn would be ok, he doesn’t have to go full evil. It just isn’t fair to the many greats of the past who put over superstars at their peak by turning heel.
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I think he has to and I have an inkling there’s a lot more to come with his character.

The other problem is we got weak @ss fans now, all the make a wish kids who are a lot older now, still cheer for him. If they boo’d him like us evil smarks did the Rock during early 2000’s when he was well set for Hollywood, that could prompt some creative change. Without the fans, maybe we’d not have got Hollywood Heel Rock.
 
shaz619 said:
Perez was going to work on Charlotte’s leg in the dying seconds of the RR match like her life depended on it lol Shawn’s done a great job with the women’s division. Grace is a real powerhouse and brings something a bit more different. Vaquer’s great as a package, she received a huge pop, it seems some footage of her matches has been going viral lately.
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Seen a little bit of Vaquer in AEW. She came in for a match with Mercedes and by the end was more over than her lol. She was smart enough to choose WWE over AEW. The others I have only seen a little bit of here and there, but all of them are impressive in different ways. Perez has the greatest upside for me because of how advanced she is for her young age.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Seen a little bit of Vaquer in AEW. She came in for a match with Mercedes and by the end was more over than her lol. She was smart enough to choose WWE over AEW. The others I have only seen a little bit of here and there, but all of them are impressive in different ways. Perez has the greatest upside for me because of how advanced she is for her young age.
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Perez should make for a great heel in the future, I also like Cora Jade, she has been appearing a lot in TNA recently. Mercedes deserves stick for her attitude and it is thriving unfortunately in the Disney Land for wrestlers but I don’t doubt her ability or skill.
 
CM Punk is as 🔥 on the mic today as he ever was but he’s not the same performer since a long time.

In the WWE if you’re not a strong man, a technician or an incredible athlete, then they don’t make you win main events.
 
Bhaijaan said:
CM Punk is as 🔥 on the mic today as he ever was but he’s not the same performer since a long time.

In the WWE if you’re not a strong man, a technician or an incredible athlete, then they don’t make you win main events.
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I think in some ways he’s even better due to his ring IQ, he certainly doesn’t look like he has lost a step, he was never quick on his feet to begin with but the timing is still impeccable. Punk is in the best shape of his life as well with the added muscle mass, biggest challenge for him is staying healthy because lets be honest, his body is a little fragile due to the gruelling MMA training and physical matches he had in AEW.

But if you want to look at what he has done since his comeback then in the WWE he has had some of the best matches of the year against Drew last year and I enjoyed the Netflix main event against Rollins as well. Most WWE fans wont have seen his run in AEW but he was having match of the month over there, worked with everybody. He had this epic dog collar match with MJF which was one of the best gimmick matches you will ever see and my favourite match he had there was against Samoa Joe before 100k people at Wembley, ironically it was his final match over there and about 20 mins before the match he choked out one of the cheeky little jobbers who thought he was being clever.
 
shaz619 said:
Perez should make for a great heel in the future, I also like Cora Jade, she has been appearing a lot in TNA recently. Mercedes deserves stick for her attitude and it is thriving unfortunately in the Disney Land for wrestlers but I don’t doubt her ability or skill.
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Yes I like her too. I believe she has been there ever since they rebranded it to NXT 2.0. She also has alot of upside as a heel.

Btw, is Nia Jax being a main-eventer going to be a thing now that The Rock is an all powerful board-member? She is absolutely atrocious and has been ever since I first saw her wrestle.
 
shaz619 said:
Punk when on edge is something else entirely:
@RedwoodOriginal

https://twitter.com/x/status/1886136176391659851

Even though it was short lived, he had one of the all time great baby face runs there.
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Couldn't agree more. It's funny to me that him and Moxley had issues behind-the-scenes, because I thought this entire feud was beautifully executed. Punk even got the best (and most logical) match out of Moxley that I have seen in his entire AEW run.

Punk may disagree I guess, but I even thought the story of Moxley killing him in a minute to set up the big rematch, was great. This segment was absolute perfection. Just the perfect set up to their match and Punk came off as such a massive babyface by the end of it.
 
You know I was thinking. With the Royal Rumble in Saudi next year, Sami Zayn winning could be a real possibility.
 
shaz619 said:
Perez should make for a great heel in the future, I also like Cora Jade, she has been appearing a lot in TNA recently. Mercedes deserves stick for her attitude and it is thriving unfortunately in the Disney Land for wrestlers but I don’t doubt her ability or skill.
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Sasha is one of those that shouldn't be given creative freedom. She ends up screwing herself with the leverage and comes off looking like an idiot.
 
shaz619 said:
Perez should make for a great heel in the future, I also like Cora Jade, she has been appearing a lot in TNA recently. Mercedes deserves stick for her attitude and it is thriving unfortunately in the Disney Land for wrestlers but I don’t doubt her ability or skill.
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Roxanne has star written all over her. She seems like one of the complete packages in terms of wrestling growth.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Yes I like her too. I believe she has been there ever since they rebranded it to NXT 2.0. She also has alot of upside as a heel.

Btw, is Nia Jax being a main-eventer going to be a thing now that The Rock is an all powerful board-member? She is absolutely atrocious and has been ever since I first saw her wrestle.
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Every time she wrestles I worry for the other women in the ring, it seems like she will cause havoc for the foreseeable future. I would even take Tamina Snuka over her.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Couldn't agree more. It's funny to me that him and Moxley had issues behind-the-scenes, because I thought this entire feud was beautifully executed. Punk even got the best (and most logical) match out of Moxley that I have seen in his entire AEW run.

Punk may disagree I guess, but I even thought the story of Moxley killing him in a minute to set up the big rematch, was great. This segment was absolute perfection. Just the perfect set up to their match and Punk came off as such a massive babyface by the end of it.
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On the whole the feud was great though I had some disagreements with that rematch we discussed a while back. Looking back, at least Punk & Mox were both willing to do business, which was refreshing when you consider the inflated ego’s over there, to think Mox was among the few big names he worked with there says it all really.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
You know I was thinking. With the Royal Rumble in Saudi next year, Sami Zayn winning could be a real possibility.
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Good point, I hope one of the Sheikh’s is a huge Sami mark lol It would be a remarkable turn of events for Sami if that happens.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Sasha is one of those that shouldn't be given creative freedom. She ends up screwing herself with the leverage and comes off looking like an idiot.
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It doesn’t excuse what a dork Tony Khan is, I blame him more because I only got Sasha’s legendary run in the WWE to go by which was pretty seamless.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Roxanne has star written all over her. She seems like one of the complete packages in terms of wrestling growth.
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Yes, Shawn has done a great job with her character and ring ability, she would have been doomed if 4/10 was still running NXT.
 
shaz619 said:
Good point, I hope one of the Sheikh’s is a huge Sami mark lol It would be a remarkable turn of events for Sami if that happens.
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You never know with the Saudis. Until a few years ago, Sami couldn't even work Saudi shows because he is of Syrian-origin. But let's hope WWE cash in on this and give him the true underdog story they should have given him 2 years ago. From a PR POV it would be a big win for WWE and Saudi.
 
shaz619 said:
On the whole the feud was great though I had some disagreements with that rematch we discussed a while back. Looking back, at least Punk & Mox were both willing to do business, which was refreshing when you consider the inflated ego’s over there, to think Mox was among the few big names he worked with there says it all really.
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Yeah and I can actually respect Mox for keeping his mouth shut despite having issues with Punk. Infact it was actually Punk who blew the lid off that story after Dirt Sheet Dave spread some lie in his newsletter.
 
Can't say I expected Charlotte to get booed out of the building like this on her return from a career-threatening injury, but these fans weren't having any of it lol.

Personally, I think she is always at her best as a heel. Because she's a natural at talking down to other women and telling everyone how great she is. WWE need to be proactive and turn her heel ASAP. Tiffany is already getting massive babyface reactions despite being a heel. So question is, why wouldn't you turn both of these women before WrestleMania?
 
What's the deal with Roman? Is he really out? Seth's stomp at Rumble looked seriously nasty. Seth basically put his entire bodyweight on his head and neck after he botched the stomp. Hope it's nothing serious and this ends up being a swerve.
 
Punk v Sami Zayn on RAW was simply outstanding. I think this may have Punk's best wrestling match in WWE till now from his current run. Though the HIAC with Drew was obviously far better. But as a pure wrestling match this was absolutely fantastic. Both guys just decided to go out there and pay a tribute to Bret Hart, and what a fitting tribute it was.

The reason I liked this match more than Rollins v Punk was because both guys were wrestling a similar tempo. The match was deliberately paced but everything meant something. There were some pretty innovative spots aswell. By comparison, in Punk/Rollins it felt like Rollins was constantly trying to outshine Punk by showing how quick and fast he is in the ring, and it hurt the match. Because Punk was unable to keep up with Rollins going full-tilt. It was still a really good match, but I thought that was poor ring generalship by Rollins not recognizing that Punk at his age is obviously not going to be working effectively at that pace.

I've maintained for years that Sami Zayn is one of the best wrestlers in the world, when it comes to in-ring. He seems incapable of having a bad match and can make anyone look like million bucks. No one on the roster is more deserving of a main-event push than him
 
shaz619 said:
It doesn’t excuse what a dork Tony Khan is, I blame him more because I only got Sasha’s legendary run in the WWE to go by which was pretty seamless.
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I think we all agree on the fact that Tony is a clueless booker with no leadership quality.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
What's the deal with Roman? Is he really out? Seth's stomp at Rumble looked seriously nasty. Seth basically put his entire bodyweight on his head and neck after he botched the stomp. Hope it's nothing serious and this ends up being a swerve.
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Roman is probably the best seller right now in WWE. I don't think WWE would be going without Roman for Mania.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
You never know with the Saudis. Until a few years ago, Sami couldn't even work Saudi shows because he is of Syrian-origin. But let's hope WWE cash in on this and give him the true underdog story they should have given him 2 years ago. From a PR POV it would be a big win for WWE and Saudi.
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I'd love for Sami to win the Rumble and go after the WWE title rather than the WHC. He needs to dethrone a bonafide maineventer like Roman, Cody, Punk, Randy or even Bryan or Brock(if they end up returning). Giving him the WHC would feel like a token award for Sami especially if its held by some transitional champ.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
I'd love for Sami to win the Rumble and go after the WWE title rather than the WHC. He needs to dethrone a bonafide maineventer like Roman, Cody, Punk, Randy or even Bryan or Brock(if they end up returning). Giving him the WHC would feel like a token award for Sami especially if its held by some transitional champ.
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I think Brock is pretty much gone from the company considering he was recently named in the lawsuit.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I think Brock is pretty much gone from the company considering he was recently named in the lawsuit.
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tbh I don't think the allegations in relation to Brock would be true. Vince, I don't know, he has always been a twisted man. But Brock didn't really have any reason to be involved in such stuff considering he is enjoying an ideal life as a husband and father and is still together with Sable. The allegation that Vince used Janel Grant to get Brock to re-sign seems too far fetched to be true. The earlier that lawsuit gets completed, the better.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
tbh I don't think the allegations in relation to Brock would be true. Vince, I don't know, he has always been a twisted man. But Brock didn't really have any reason to be involved in such stuff considering he is enjoying an ideal life as a husband and father and is still together with Sable. The allegation that Vince used Janel Grant to get Brock to re-sign seems too far fetched to be true. The earlier that lawsuit gets completed, the better.
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Well, I don't know about that. I see no reason to doubt any of the allegations leveled against Brock. Especially considering how specific they are. And I haven't heard any serious denial from his side either.

With him being named in the lawsuit, he is basically linked to Vince now. And for WWE, that makes the idea of bringing him back pretty untenable from a PR standpoint.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
You never know with the Saudis. Until a few years ago, Sami couldn't even work Saudi shows because he is of Syrian-origin. But let's hope WWE cash in on this and give him the true underdog story they should have given him 2 years ago. From a PR POV it would be a big win for WWE and Saudi.
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I didn’t understand why he was not able to due to his origin though am not sure why the Saudis had beef with the Syrians. Back then I think the figures more senior were involved and now they’ve bought in more diplomatically and commercially savvy individuals, in the Boxing world anyway I’ve seen a huge difference from 4 years ago to now when Turki-Al-Sheikh took over though am unaware how involved he is with the WWE.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Can't say I expected Charlotte to get booed out of the building like this on her return from a career-threatening injury, but these fans weren't having any of it lol.

Personally, I think she is always at her best as a heel. Because she's a natural at talking down to other women and telling everyone how great she is. WWE need to be proactive and turn her heel ASAP. Tiffany is already getting massive babyface reactions despite being a heel. So question is, why wouldn't you turn both of these women before WrestleMania?
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The fans in the word of Bryan, are so fickle. I think Charlotte will only be appreciated properly when she retires. For what it’s worth I think the promo was done well with the crowd reacting tentatively to her Rumble win, she adjusted on the spot and there were some heel tendencies in that promo; I wouldn’t be surprised by a turn, and whether or not they do it, it will favour Tiffany regardless because as you said she’s super over, it makes me wonder whether we have true heels these days, Christian certainly can’t be criticised for not going all the way lol
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Yeah probably. Still the botch from Seth looked pretty nasty. Pretty sure he was feeling the effects of that for atleast a couple of days
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For all this best in the world rubbish from Seth he’s also one of the unsafest top guys out there so I don’t blame you for thinking he was stiff there but if he put most of his weight on his left leg (I hope) then Reigns hopefully is ok.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Punk v Sami Zayn on RAW was simply outstanding. I think this may have Punk's best wrestling match in WWE till now from his current run. Though the HIAC with Drew was obviously far better. But as a pure wrestling match this was absolutely fantastic. Both guys just decided to go out there and pay a tribute to Bret Hart, and what a fitting tribute it was.

The reason I liked this match more than Rollins v Punk was because both guys were wrestling a similar tempo. The match was deliberately paced but everything meant something. There were some pretty innovative spots aswell. By comparison, in Punk/Rollins it felt like Rollins was constantly trying to outshine Punk by showing how quick and fast he is in the ring, and it hurt the match. Because Punk was unable to keep up with Rollins going full-tilt. It was still a really good match, but I thought that was poor ring generalship by Rollins not recognizing that Punk at his age is obviously not going to be working effectively at that pace.

I've maintained for years that Sami Zayn is one of the best wrestlers in the world, when it comes to in-ring. He seems incapable of having a bad match and can make anyone look like million bucks. No one on the roster is more deserving of a main-event push than him
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I was fine with Rollins/Punk and felt Punk more then kept up there, I feel for that night and spot, it was the right match the crowd and Netflix needed. But as a fan of the throwback style with the modern tweaks, this match was defo much better for me, and I think part of it is what you said, Sami is vastly superior to Seth in the ring and there were many creative reversals and set ups for the main spots in this match and the selling was great for both men, I thought Sami’s speed was noticeable but to counter that CM Punk’s timing was impeccable. I don’t know where you watched this match but the finishing stretch was an eye sore due to the streaming issues, man Netflix had to f up for the main event, there were signs throughout the show and it wasn’t resolved and they didn’t fix this in the replay episode either.
 
Great promo to from Jey Uso though I think @RedwoodOriginal wrote Gunther’s script 🤣

Loved the emotion from Jey and I think he was very moved after he won the RR during the match itself.

I know this story has been told before but for the RR/WM arc, I feel it’s the best story to tell which had been missing for many years. The story of the underdog, what makes Jey the candidate for the job is that he shouldn’t be in this spot, and the casual fan can relate to that, the everyday people who are looked down upon and not given a break.
 
shaz619 said:
For all this best in the world rubbish from Seth he’s also one of the unsafest top guys out there so I don’t blame you for thinking he was stiff there but if he put most of his weight on his left leg (I hope) then Reigns hopefully is ok.
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From what I recall he did the double foot stomp so he basically put his entire bodyweight on his head and neck. I had to rewind and check it because initially I missed it. This was reinforced by the follow-up stomp on the steel steps, which was probably one of the softest stomps I have ever seen him do.
 
shaz619 said:
Great promo to from Jey Uso though I think @RedwoodOriginal wrote Gunther’s script 🤣

Loved the emotion from Jey and I think he was very moved after he won the RR during the match itself.

I know this story has been told before but for the RR/WM arc, I feel it’s the best story to tell which had been missing for many years. The story of the underdog, what makes Jey the candidate for the job is that he shouldn’t be in this spot, and the casual fan can relate to that, the everyday people who are looked down upon and not given a break.
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You know I was thinking the same thing when Gunther was talking :moyo2

But yeah I agree, this was a great promo. While I'm not a fan of his work, I am willing to give Jey Uso a chance. Fact is, they are trying to new stars and this is not something I can fault them for. Because creating new stars is the lifeblood of this business. To your point, I will agree that Jey Uso has mainstream appeal. People can relate to that character, the catchphrase is very repeatable, and his style of promos also appeals to young people. Hopefully Gunther will drag him to a good match at WrestleMania too.
 
shaz619 said:
I was fine with Rollins/Punk and felt Punk more then kept up there, I feel for that night and spot, it was the right match the crowd and Netflix needed. But as a fan of the throwback style with the modern tweaks, this match was defo much better for me, and I think part of it is what you said, Sami is vastly superior to Seth in the ring and there were many creative reversals and set ups for the main spots in this match and the selling was great for both men, I thought Sami’s speed was noticeable but to counter that CM Punk’s timing was impeccable. I don’t know where you watched this match but the finishing stretch was an eye sore due to the streaming issues, man Netflix had to f up for the main event, there were signs throughout the show and it wasn’t resolved and they didn’t fix this in the replay episode either.
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I had major issues with the finishing stretch too, which was quite frustrating. One of the best reversal spots towards the end also got ruined and I had to see it again on the instant replay. You're spot on btw about the timing. I thought both guys's timing was simply outstanding. I think maybe the draping DDT was not perfect, but even that, Sami made it work by selling his arm, which played into the story of the match. Infact both guys were amazing with their selling.
 
shaz619 said:
The fans in the word of Bryan, are so fickle. I think Charlotte will only be appreciated properly when she retires. For what it’s worth I think the promo was done well with the crowd reacting tentatively to her Rumble win, she adjusted on the spot and there were some heel tendencies in that promo; I wouldn’t be surprised by a turn, and whether or not they do it, it will favour Tiffany regardless because as you said she’s super over, it makes me wonder whether we have true heels these days, Christian certainly can’t be criticised for not going all the way lol
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The Canadian Dream son of a security systems technician might have something to say about that :viru
 
The idea of Roman v Punk v Rollins at WrestleMania does not sound particularly thrilling to me. If it was for a belt then maybe it could work. But three guys fighting each other in a three-way just because they hate each other? Sounds lazy. If it were up to me, I'd toss Rollins out, make it Punk v Roman.
 
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I had major issues with the finishing stretch too, which was quite frustrating. One of the best reversal spots towards the end also got ruined and I had to see it again on the instant replay. You're spot on btw about the timing. I thought both guys's timing was simply outstanding. I think maybe the draping DDT was not perfect, but even that, Sami made it work by selling his arm, which played into the story of the match. Infact both guys were amazing with their selling.
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I can’t recall the set up but the sequence leading up to that Punk neckbreaker made me go wow, simple stuff which you don’t forget, you’re Bret comparison is absolutely spot on. And the reversals and feints were some of the best I’ve seen in ages.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
You know I was thinking the same thing when Gunther was talking :moyo2

But yeah I agree, this was a great promo. While I'm not a fan of his work, I am willing to give Jey Uso a chance. Fact is, they are trying to new stars and this is not something I can fault them for. Because creating new stars is the lifeblood of this business. To your point, I will agree that Jey Uso has mainstream appeal. People can relate to that character, the catchphrase is very repeatable, and his style of promos also appeals to young people. Hopefully Gunther will drag him to a good match at WrestleMania too.
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It’s just the sign of times as well this is what’s relevant in pop culture today but Jey to his credit is a great story teller to, he is to this gen what Bryan/Kofi was to theirs and what Benoit was for us circa 2004.

P.S can’t wait for Jim Cornette’s reaction to the Rumble lol

Also, does him saying his pet dog is going for their morning Russo ever get old ? I always pop for that 🤣 Am listening to the Netflix debut episode
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
From what I recall he did the double foot stomp so he basically put his entire bodyweight on his head and neck. I had to rewind and check it because initially I missed it. This was reinforced by the follow-up stomp on the steel steps, which was probably one of the softest stomps I have ever seen him do.
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Am no athlete myself but is it not possible to lower the force on one of his legs, Seth’s into cross-fit and all of that none-sense and very agile, could he have pulled that off ? perhaps ? Do I trust him to ? Probably no lol
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
The idea of Roman v Punk v Rollins at WrestleMania does not sound particularly thrilling to me. If it was for a belt then maybe it could work. But three guys fighting each other in a three-way just because they hate each other? Sounds lazy. If it were up to me, I'd toss Rollins out, make it Punk v Roman.
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I would agree with you but that little tussle outside the ring after they got eliminated was exciting lol But this does feel like one of those Vince decisions which could work dependent on how they sell it, if it’s a pure creative decision am willing to give it a chance. But there’s a possibility Seth could have moaned about not being in a major match so they inserted him into the planned Punk v Reigns match which deserves its own lore. Or what if they couldn’t agree on a finish and Seth can be the resident jobber in the match :yk3

Lets see how it goes, remember we wanted Edge/Reigns and Bryan being added made things more intriguing. Or when Shawn was added to the Benoit/HHH match, there might be another example to; although Seth isn’t on the level of any of those guys….
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
The idea of Roman v Punk v Rollins at WrestleMania does not sound particularly thrilling to me. If it was for a belt then maybe it could work. But three guys fighting each other in a three-way just because they hate each other? Sounds lazy. If it were up to me, I'd toss Rollins out, make it Punk v Roman.
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Triple threat without a title makes no sense.
 
shaz619 said:
I would agree with you but that little tussle outside the ring after they got eliminated was exciting lol But this does feel like one of those Vince decisions which could work dependent on how they sell it, if it’s a pure creative decision am willing to give it a chance. But there’s a possibility Seth could have moaned about not being in a major match so they inserted him into the planned Punk v Reigns match which deserves its own lore. Or what if they couldn’t agree on a finish and Seth can be the resident jobber in the match :yk3

Lets see how it goes, remember we wanted Edge/Reigns and Bryan being added made things more intriguing. Or when Shawn was added to the Benoit/HHH match, there might be another example to; although Seth isn’t on the level of any of those guys….
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If it was for a belt, I'd be totally okay with it. But this feels like a lazy way to ensure that all three guys have a high-profile match for WrestleMania
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
If it was for a belt, I'd be totally okay with it. But this feels like a lazy way to ensure that all three guys have a high-profile match for WrestleMania
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Would it even main event ?

I wont believe this until set in stone.

From a pure box office POV, Reigns vs Punk is the bigger match and it would be a shame to have their first in-ring interaction this way.

If this main events and they sell it to me really well, I might be on board.

If this is the plan, it rules out Punk winning the chamber. That would leave Cody to face Cena ?

Don’t think Cody / Cena is terrible by any means, but Punk in this moment is the more shrewd contender to pick given his star power and questionable longevity in the ring.

Cena wielded his ‘influence’ to get the Chamber spot, maybe he does the same to insert himself into the world title picture; Gunther vs Cena vs Jey Uso for the WHC.

Punk wins the chamber and faces Cody Rhodes for the title in the main event.

Then that would leave Seth and Roman, they could work with each other or go down a different route.
 
WWE 2K 25 looks interesting, especially with the backstage match options, I’ve not looked into a 2K game since 2K16 & 2K19.
 
shaz619 said:
He deserves 3 rings for marrying Stephanie
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That is probably the only right move he made in the WWE, the move on his boss’s daughter. Many many undeserved title reigns, 60 mins promos littered with “uhh” grunts and now with booking as predictable as him burying anyone who deserved to end his reign.

Came across this promo again. Loved this rivalry. Reminds me so much of Rock / Austin. Don’t think it needs to be revisited after their unification match, but imo this rivalry fed families in PG era.

One of my top 3 promos
 
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Suleiman said:
That is probably the only right move he made in the WWE, the move on his boss’s daughter. Many many undeserved title reigns, 60 mins promos littered with “uhh” grunts and now with booking as predictable as him burying anyone who deserved to end his reign.

Came across this promo again. Loved this rivalry. Reminds me so much of Rock / Austin. Don’t think it needs to be revisited after their unification match, but imo this rivalry fed families in PG era.

One of my top 3 promos
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Triple H was basically the LA Knight off his time, except with no charisma and less than half the talent; imagine where LA would be in his shoes or the many more gifted stars who had to job to him…..

And is that the Punk/Cena feud from that period ? agree without a doubt.
 
shaz619 said:
Triple H was basically the LA Knight off his time, except with no charisma and less than half the talent; imagine where LA would be in his shoes or the many more gifted stars who had to job to him…..

And is that the Punk/Cena feud from that period ? agree without a doubt.
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Yeah that promo is from 09 for their iron man match. had been feuding for 2 years up until that point.

Wish he brings back the punt kick. Seth is injuring people out here like no tomorrow, and they keep the punt banned when Randy is a safe worker smh 🤦🏼‍♂️
 
Suleiman said:
Yeah that promo is from 09 for their iron man match. had been feuding for 2 years up until that point.

Wish he brings back the punt kick. Seth is injuring people out here like no tomorrow, and they keep the punt banned when Randy is a safe worker smh 🤦🏼‍♂️
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Randy never hurt nobody and now is the perfect time to bring it back when KO has taken it too far, P.S what are his plans for mania even ? the most overlooked major star in the company. ‘Better not push Orton too hard so he doesn’t go past my superficial accomplishments.’
 
shaz619 said:
Randy never hurt nobody and now is the perfect time to bring it back when KO has taken it too far, P.S what are his plans for mania even ? the most overlooked major star in the company. ‘Better not push Orton too hard so he doesn’t go past my superficial accomplishments.’
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For real. They just making him job now. Another feather in triple h’s cap, when this guy was a veteran he was still burying talent but now under his reign every veteran is expected to job to the youngins.

Whenever you see Randy, AJ, Rey etc etc face someone new it’s so predictable knowing they’d lose because of trips pre planning booking ideology… need to give the guys in the business for almost 2 decades if not more who deserve their flowers their due as well or you make them look weak and washed up… dude has the most intimidating look he’s ever had but is being wasted
 
shaz619 said:
Would it even main event ?

I wont believe this until set in stone.

From a pure box office POV, Reigns vs Punk is the bigger match and it would be a shame to have their first in-ring interaction this way.

If this main events and they sell it to me really well, I might be on board.

If this is the plan, it rules out Punk winning the chamber. That would leave Cody to face Cena ?

Don’t think Cody / Cena is terrible by any means, but Punk in this moment is the more shrewd contender to pick given his star power and questionable longevity in the ring.

Cena wielded his ‘influence’ to get the Chamber spot, maybe he does the same to insert himself into the world title picture; Gunther vs Cena vs Jey Uso for the WHC.

Punk wins the chamber and faces Cody Rhodes for the title in the main event.

Then that would leave Seth and Roman, they could work with each other or go down a different route.
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Tbh this is a dirt sheet rumor so probably shouldn't read too much into it.

But yeah I like your idea better. Namely because I want to see a Cena heel turn. And Cody v Punk is another intriguing match-up. Not sure if they will go for it. But it's not a bad idea.
 
shaz619 said:
Randy never hurt nobody and now is the perfect time to bring it back when KO has taken it too far, P.S what are his plans for mania even ? the most overlooked major star in the company. ‘Better not push Orton too hard so he doesn’t go past my superficial accomplishments.’
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I'm pretty sure the plan is Sami v KO for WrestleMania. Which I would love to see actually. Because these two could have an amazing match in their sleep if they wanted to. But I don't understand why they've kept Orton out for so long for a worked injury no less.
 
Suleiman said:
That is probably the only right move he made in the WWE, the move on his boss’s daughter. Many many undeserved title reigns, 60 mins promos littered with “uhh” grunts and now with booking as predictable as him burying anyone who deserved to end his reign.

Came across this promo again. Loved this rivalry. Reminds me so much of Rock / Austin. Don’t think it needs to be revisited after their unification match, but imo this rivalry fed families in PG era.

One of my top 3 promos
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Remember early to mid-2000s RAW? When every episode opened with a 20 minute Triple H promo where he droned on and on and on.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I'm pretty sure the plan is Sami v KO for WrestleMania. Which I would love to see actually. Because these two could have an amazing match in their sleep if they wanted to. But I don't understand why they've kept Orton out for so long for a worked injury no less.
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Randy vs KO vs Sami would make it two nonsensical triple threats at the same Mania.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I'm pretty sure the plan is Sami v KO for WrestleMania. Which I would love to see actually. Because these two could have an amazing match in their sleep if they wanted to. But I don't understand why they've kept Orton out for so long for a worked injury no less.
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We have seen this too many times. KO goes rogue, he fights sami, losses and then he becomes friends with Sami again and the whole things repeats...

Boring
 
BouncerGuy said:
We have seen this too many times. KO goes rogue, he fights sami, losses and then he becomes friends with Sami again and the whole things repeats...

Boring
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I disagree. They have a history that goes back to their childhoods, its true to life, and the matches are almost always outstanding. At the end of the day what matters is how well they sell the match and make us believe in the issue between them.
 
BouncerGuy said:
We have seen this too many times. KO goes rogue, he fights sami, losses and then he becomes friends with Sami again and the whole things repeats...

Boring
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I agree with you somewhat but given their history, these two are truly destined to fight forever and it’s not such a bad thing. Yes, some of the material is recycled but it deepens the rivalry and they deliver every time. And I think the feud deserves a mania match before the live audience. Also, H has run out of idea’s and has a one track mind, this rivalry pretty much books itself so he can just sit back in his chair and enjoy pondering over 4/10 thoughts.
 
Suleiman said:
For real. They just making him job now. Another feather in triple h’s cap, when this guy was a veteran he was still burying talent but now under his reign every veteran is expected to job to the youngins.

Whenever you see Randy, AJ, Rey etc etc face someone new it’s so predictable knowing they’d lose because of trips pre planning booking ideology… need to give the guys in the business for almost 2 decades if not more who deserve their flowers their due as well or you make them look weak and washed up… dude has the most intimidating look he’s ever had but is being wasted
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If it was up to H, he would not have Punk anywhere near the top of the card. He would have cost WWE millions due to his huge ego. Nick Khan led the negotiation to bring Punk back and you know how Punk always bats for himself, maybe he wont main event night 2 ever but he will make sure his character is protected. H probably does the good ol buddy buddy shtick with Randy and then gives him short end of the stick. In the kind of shape Randy is in and also form, you could have made a case for him going over Gunther, I think we discussed this back then, the WHC needs a big name, Gunther has been booked like a vegetable, he has done as well as he can but the WHC deserves better treatment.
 
shaz619 said:
If it was up to H, he would not have Punk anywhere near the top of the card. He would have cost WWE millions due to his huge ego. Nick Khan led the negotiation to bring Punk back and you know how Punk always bats for himself, maybe he wont main event night 2 ever but he will make sure his character is protected. H probably does the good ol buddy buddy shtick with Randy and then gives him short end of the stick. In the kind of shape Randy is in and also form, you could have made a case for him going over Gunther, I think we discussed this back then, the WHC needs a big name, Gunther has been booked like a vegetable, he has done as well as he can but the WHC deserves better treatment.
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Was actually gonna comment earlier after smackdown that I hope Punk / Cena win the chamber if Randy isn’t coming back so they can take the title off Gunther. That title needs a legend to hold it rn, it’s sadly become the second place title ever since they get rid of the big gold.

When they had the og world heavyweight championship it was equal to weight to the WWE belt, mainly because of the magnitude of the guys who held it. It definitely did not need an update.
 
Can we talk about what a captivating promo Jacob Fatu is? He has such a unique style that happens to fit perfectly with his character. I can't believe we had months of "I love you Solo", when this is how how great this guy is on the mic. Is there anything he can't do?

Sky is the limit for Jacob Fatu and Bron Breakker. Two of the most promising rising stars in the pro-wrestling right now.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Can we talk about what a captivating promo Jacob Fatu is? He has such a unique style that happens to fit perfectly with his character. I can't believe we had months of "I love you Solo", when this is how how great this guy is on the mic. Is there anything he can't do?

Sky is the limit for Jacob Fatu and Bron Breakker. Two of the most promising rising stars in the pro-wrestling right now.
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I am still catching up on SD this week saw bits of that promo though and he is one fine all rounder, arguably should have been in Solo’s position were it not for bad timing.

But I will do you one better, how about Dustin’s passionate promo this week on AEW ? I loved that segment between him and MJF, I believed every word Dustin said, he can so easily get any crowd behind him. It’s the first thing AEW related I’ve seen since Bryan/Ospreay, it appears as though MJF is involved in a ‘legend killer’ type angle. And just like that I am interested to see Dustin/MJF now.
 
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