The Wrestling Discussion Thread

[MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION] [MENTION=137419]dashing_man[/MENTION]

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According to documents leaked online this morning, WWE executive Hunter Hearst Helmsley is scheduled to soon win the NXT Championship, which explains his unwavering devotion to building the NXT brand.

The documents, which appear to be genuine (because the word “genuine” is scrawled across the top), indicate that Helmsley will defeat current NXT Champion Finn Bálor at the upcoming NXT TaKeOVeR: REdemPshuN event in England.

Although NXT is ostensibly a “developmental” league where rookie wrestlers hone their craft in hopes of main-roster WWE stardom, the documents reveal the brand has always been intended as Helmsley’s last great conquest.

Helmsley has been fiercely devoted to building and promoting NXT over the past couple of years, even creating the WWE Performance Center in Florida, where rookies train for the opportunity to someday lose to Helmsley.

The seven-page memorandum, which indicates Helmsley’s NXT title reign with last 10 years, ends with the cryptic words: “Helmsley wins LOL.”

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Shovels Final Conquest :))) The Dark Force Awakens! Here comes Darth Burius!

that's so aweseom, You have any source for this
 
opening segment of RAW was pretty awesome! bah gawd Bray got Takers druids to turn on him :)))

am off to the bistar now:misbah
 
that was pretty awesome, brings back Nostalgia moments

the only thing disappointing with that angle is that the brothers of destruction laid out the wyatts last week with so much ease it makes you wonder why are they having the match at SS because apparently they've got their revenge already. Besides that the feud has been great
 

:))) she better pray for dear life, [MENTION=3474]TalhaSyed[/MENTION] is coming

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Ambrose V KO is Ratingzzz

I reckon Roman Reigns wins the WWE title, Ambrose gets angry and attacks him turning heel. While Roman is laid out Sheamus cashes in and wins the title, grabs the microphone and says Arn't you entertained?! :))) while Vince is shouting down Cole's mic to say "OHHHH MYYYY WHAT A NETWORK MOMENT"
 
I reckon Roman Reigns wins the WWE title, Ambrose gets angry and attacks him turning heel. While Roman is laid out Sheamus cashes in and wins the title, grabs the microphone and says Arn't you entertained?! :))) while Vince is shouting down Cole's mic to say "OHHHH MYYYY WHAT A NETWORK MOMENT"

What more does Cesaro have to do. Guy puts on classics nearly every week. Anyone but you Roman.


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What more does Cesaro have to do. Guy puts on classics nearly every week. Anyone but you Roman.


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Kasme we should do some kalahh jaddu on Roman so he loses :))) I hope Bray is doing that already.

Thing is Cesaro has awful mic skills but has still managed to connect with the audience and is over as a baby face; personally thing he was having a fantastic run as one half of the real americans and zeb was doing a brilliant job with them felt they should never have split up. Pairing him with heyman was a disaster who had little interest in putting over Cesaro to begin with but the heel-face dynamic was never doing to work. Cesaro is still over though thanks to his in-ring work but if i were to push him to the main-event I'd have him join the authority and turn heel
 
Kasme we should do some kalahh jaddu on Roman so he loses :))) I hope Bray is doing that already.

Thing is Cesaro has awful mic skills but has still managed to connect with the audience and is over as a baby face; personally thing he was having a fantastic run as one half of the real americans and zeb was doing a brilliant job with them felt they should never have split up. Pairing him with heyman was a disaster who had little interest in putting over Cesaro to begin with but the heel-face dynamic was never doing to work. Cesaro is still over though thanks to his in-ring work but if i were to push him to the main-event I'd have him join the authority and turn heel

Tbf Roman has been improving the last few months but imagine Roman coming out every week with his long 20 min atrocious promos. Yeah Cesaro needs a mouthpiece and as a heel in the authority he would get that from Burius. Cesaro showcases all these innovative moves and we still get superman punches and spears. Bah gawd cena 2.0 strikes again. WWE are editing crowd reactions to him now putting cheers in to drown out the boos.


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Tbf Roman has been improving the last few months but imagine Roman coming out every week with his long 20 min atrocious promos. Yeah Cesaro needs a mouthpiece and as a heel in the authority he would get that from Burius. Cesaro showcases all these innovative moves and we still get superman punches and spears. Bah gawd cena 2.0 strikes again. WWE are editing crowd reactions to him now putting cheers in to drown out the boos.


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Roman is meant to be a monster heel imo while keeping his promo lines short and just have him really serious all the time but then again you can still acheive that as a face just look at Batista's first main-event run in the WWE although he had the luxury of blading and being brutal with weapons/tables. Roman they invested so much in him as a face that they won't turn him now but they can take the necessary steps to ensure the audience can put up with his character like limiting his mic time and making him more of a badd-asss. I know :))) I was thinking what dah hell they do it live and it's so easy to tell when they are manipulating the crowd reaction. Cesaro at best will always be an upper mid-carder that is used to elevate main-event talent but will never actually have a main-event run
 
Roman is meant to be a monster heel imo while keeping his promo lines short and just have him really serious all the time but then again you can still acheive that as a face just look at Batista's first main-event run in the WWE although he had the luxury of blading and being brutal with weapons/tables. Roman they invested so much in him as a face that they won't turn him now but they can take the necessary steps to ensure the audience can put up with his character like limiting his mic time and making him more of a badd-asss. I know :))) I was thinking what dah hell they do it live and it's so easy to tell when they are manipulating the crowd reaction. Cesaro at best will always be an upper mid-carder that is used to elevate main-event talent but will never actually have a main-event run

Batista also benefitted from a less smarky era. Nowadays people wanna see great workers get pushed to the top rather than just the jacked up big guys. But yeah Batista had that silent badass charisma. Reigns with his lame promos and basically attempts to be like Cena. Is what's making fans hate him plus the fact there are so many great in ring workers in the company now. To see 5 moves of doom Roman get to the main event so quickly left a bad taste in many fans mouth. Reigns should try emulate Batista rather than Cena as a face. God knows we don't want another Cena in the main event for the next 10 years.


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Batista also benefitted from a less smarky era. Nowadays people wanna see great workers get pushed to the top rather than just the jacked up big guys. But yeah Batista had that silent badass charisma. Reigns with his lame promos and basically attempts to be like Cena. Is what's making fans hate him plus the fact there are so many great in ring workers in the company now. To see 5 moves of doom Roman get to the main event so quickly left a bad taste in many fans mouth. Reigns should try emulate Batista rather than Cena as a face. God knows we don't want another Cena in the main event for the next 10 years.


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Pretty much agree with you and ever since the Royal Rumble screwjob in Philly Reigns has improved significantly although I feel that his character could be booked better as you say but there will always be a cloud over his head because of what happened in philly and it will be hard to shape his career when the smarks have accepted him as a Cena light. It's all of WWE's fault and I feel for Roman in that sense because it can be difficult to form your own identity but they can start by having him embrace the persona of a silent bad-asss that speaks less and is very vicious. Thing is we've always had our smarks even then they were vocal it's just that the product has declined so much since then that people have turned insane imo Batista was overwhelmed by the negative response when he returend and he wanted to turn heel on his return to begin with but thing is although it's true that fans tend to want to take over the show rather then enjoy it at times their insanity stems from a god awful product which they've had to put up with for 10 years
 
What more does Cesaro have to do. Guy puts on classics nearly every week. Anyone but you Roman.


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Cesaro can only get the push now as heel and I bet he is turning soon. That Hunter moment on RAW is a trailer for Cesaro push very soon
 
Tbf Roman has been improving the last few months but imagine Roman coming out every week with his long 20 min atrocious promos. Yeah Cesaro needs a mouthpiece and as a heel in the authority he would get that from Burius. Cesaro showcases all these innovative moves and we still get superman punches and spears. Bah gawd cena 2.0 strikes again. WWE are editing crowd reactions to him now putting cheers in to drown out the boos.


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in what way is Reigns the Cena 2.0 :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

Reigns matches are great, Cena's aren't

Cena is very good on the Mic, Reigns just good

And you SMARKS label him as Cena 2.0

Just when you are sour with someone then you SMARKS throw your toys out of your pram, starts whining about a certain guy you no like get Push :mv

WAAAA WAAAA WAAAAAAAA!!!
 
What did you guys make of the main-event angle between Paige and Charlotte
 
in what way is Reigns the Cena 2.0 :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

Reigns matches are great, Cena's aren't

Cena is very good on the Mic, Reigns just good

And you SMARKS label him as Cena 2.0

Just when you are sour with someone then you SMARKS throw your toys out of your pram, starts whining about a certain guy you no like get Push :mv

WAAAA WAAAA WAAAAAAAA!!!

:)) Cena is in everyones top 3 for wrestler of the year in 2015 and ever since his debut he has incredibly improved in the ring, there are no more you can't wrestle chants because he has earned the respect of people that hate him as well. His biggest weakness is that he isn't that great at selling but he makes up for it by taking bumps a top guy like him doesn't need to.

Reigns since Philly has significantly improved in the ring but his mic ability is still the same.

Reigns is not Cena 2.0 because Cena is 10x better in the ring and on the mic. Reigns is Chinese version of Cena where his in-ring work is improving but the mic skills are not great and the biggest reason why people tend to compare him with Cena is becasue the machine are trying to copy and paste Cena's gimmick onto Reigns but he can't pull it off because he isn't that good enough yet.

What's this you smark crap you're 10x worse because WWE marks don't even know anything about how the business works as we've seen you have gone full retard with this post of yours and each point has been buried with my shovel :akhtar
 
:)) Cena is in everyones top 3 for wrestler of the year in 2015 and ever since his debut he has incredibly improved in the ring, there are no more you can't wrestle chants because he has earned the respect of people that hate him as well. His biggest weakness is that he isn't that great at selling but he makes up for it by taking bumps a top guy like him doesn't need to.

Reigns since Philly has significantly improved in the ring but his mic ability is still the same.

Reigns is not Cena 2.0 because Cena is 10x better in the ring and on the mic. Reigns is Chinese version of Cena where his in-ring work is improving but the mic skills are not great and the biggest reason why people tend to compare him with Cena is becasue the machine are trying to copy and paste Cena's gimmick onto Reigns but he can't pull it off because he isn't that good enough yet.

What's this you smark crap you're 10x worse because WWE marks don't even know anything about how the business works as we've seen you have gone full retard with this post of yours and each point has been buried with my shovel :akhtar

typical SMARK analysis.

I rather watch Parks and Rec then reply to this garbaaaagggg
 
typical SMARK analysis.

I rather watch Parks and Rec then reply to this garbaaaagggg

You're just not on my level am too smart for you so you can't keep up with the knowledge :yk, typical Jobber response when he knows he's in the wrong but that pea sized brain can't make sense of things. What can I say you get life itself wrong :))) #Jobber4Lyfe! #RetardedEugene
 
You're just not on my level am too smart for you so you can't keep up with the knowledge :yk, typical Jobber response when he knows he's in the wrong but that pea sized brain can't make sense of things. What can I say you get life itself wrong :))) #Jobber4Lyfe! #RetardedEugene

I don't have fuzool time for trolls, that's all
 
I don't have fuzool time for trolls, that's all

No you are just stupid and are not articulate enough to have a discussion with me or Adil; it's not about trolling or anything if anything you are the troll when you can't even back up your narrow minded views and chickens out the moment someone displays more sense then you
 
No you are just stupid and are not articulate enough to have a discussion with me or Adil; it's not about trolling or anything if anything you are the troll when you can't even back up your narrow minded views and chickens out the moment someone displays more sense then you

you have the biggest narrow mind I have seen when it comes to guys like Reigns, Hunter and Lesnar. You get butt hurt all the time whenever they are being discussed. So stop telling me who's who
 
you have the biggest narrow mind I have seen when it comes to guys like Reigns, Hunter and Lesnar. You get butt hurt all the time whenever they are being discussed. So stop telling me who's who

the fact that you have to resort to such a cheap discussion shows what a retard you are because this is what you are good for instead of having an objective discussion about the points I made earlier so had to run away with the "i got no time for this" when a loser like you got nothing better to do and yes you throw your toys out the pram when you can't comprehend our articulate and objective views when it comes to your favourites so again you've been exposed and as usual no one really takes you seriously am afraid :(
 
the fact that you have to resort to such a cheap discussion shows what a retard you are because this is what you are good for instead of having an objective discussion about the points I made earlier so had to run away with the "i got no time for this" when a loser like you got nothing better to do and yes you throw your toys out the pram when you can't comprehend our articulate and objective views when it comes to your favourites so again you've been exposed and as usual no one really takes you seriously am afraid :(

why would I want to be taken serious around trolls :shrug
 
why would I want to be taken serious around trolls :shrug

You are beyond a troll, you're the only Undisputed Eugene around here and these are the types of discussions your pea sized brain is limited to you loser. Instead of having an objective discussion you are only able to have pointless arguments like this aah you troll aaah you smark blahh blahh because you can't keep up with the knowledge :)
 
You are beyond a troll, you're the only Undisputed Eugene around here and these are the types of discussions your pea sized brain is limited to you loser. Instead of having an objective discussion you are only able to have pointless arguments like this aah you troll aaah you smark blahh blahh because you can't keep up with the knowledge :)

:))) :))) good to see I worked you up :abdv :D

:chummi: may this will make you feel better :misbah
 
:))) :))) good to see I worked you up :abdv :D

:chummi: may this will make you feel better :misbah

Typical response when it gets to a point when you have to finally tap out because you're so thick :) when you're unable to have an objective discussion you typically tend to run off and then try to control the damage with the whole "worked up thing" when you scored another own goal and on top of that your views on wrestling are generally garbage and you were made to look like an absolute fool once again :)
 
in what way is Reigns the Cena 2.0 :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

Reigns matches are great, Cena's aren't

Cena is very good on the Mic, Reigns just good

And you SMARKS label him as Cena 2.0

Just when you are sour with someone then you SMARKS throw your toys out of your pram, starts whining about a certain guy you no like get Push :mv

WAAAA WAAAA WAAAAAAAA!!!
Eugene tu maray naal phir muqabla karna piya. Firstly reigns is an average in ring performer guy has improved in last 6 months. But is nowhere near the likes of Cesaro Owens Neville Ziggler Rollins Ambrose etc. His mic work still sucks. And yeah he is a way less version of Old Cena 2005-2013 version the ultimate superhero who has 5 moves who beats better wrestlers than him. Difference is when he isnt being a cheesy goofball Cena can cut a damn fine promo and as shown the last couple of years he can wrestle great matches. Reigns cant do that u see Cesaro using all these innovative moves and roman just doing the superman punch like 10 times in a match. Reigns has a great look size and athleticism but his in ring work is average unless he is with a great worker like Cesaro who elevates him. Romans in ring defincies have been covered by having matches that include weapons. Can u imagine Roman cutting promos the start of evrery RAW. ratings would drop even more. In this era where there are so many great in ring workers thanks to NXT roman needs to do more than just a superman punch and some screams ooooo ahhhh. And a spear. Reigns needs a manager or to become a silent badass like Batista was. Giving reigns the mic equals bad for business. and reigns need to carve out his own identity guy is still living of the shield gimmick.

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in what way is Reigns the Cena 2.0 :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

Reigns matches are great, Cena's aren't

Cena is very good on the Mic, Reigns just good

And you SMARKS label him as Cena 2.0

Just when you are sour with someone then you SMARKS throw your toys out of your pram, starts whining about a certain guy you no like get Push :mv

WAAAA WAAAA WAAAAAAAA!!!
Tu sai eugene ay. Pathetic non sensical posts. Everytime me and [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] have to bury you. You wannabe smark who cant argue logically at all. How many times do we have to bury you.

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typical SMARK analysis.

I rather watch Parks and Rec then reply to this garbaaaagggg
Eugene why is it u are always banned for pathetic childish posts. U cant argue logically or intellectually at all. U argue like a 10 year old fanboy would. Do me and [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] get banned all the time for making garbage posts. And have to make multiple accounts to get on PP. Bit weird isnt it after your account came back those two taker accounts disappeared from PP. those jobbers did like 5 posts and left after u came back.

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Eugene tu maray naal phir muqabla karna piya. Firstly reigns is an average in ring performer guy has improved in last 6 months. But is nowhere near the likes of Cesaro Owens Neville Ziggler Rollins Ambrose etc. His mic work still sucks. And yeah he is a way less version of Old Cena 2005-2013 version the ultimate superhero who has 5 moves who beats better wrestlers than him. Difference is when he isnt being a cheesy goofball Cena can cut a damn fine promo and as shown the last couple of years he can wrestle great matches. Reigns cant do that u see Cesaro using all these innovative moves and roman just doing the superman punch like 10 times in a match. Reigns has a great look size and athleticism but his in ring work is average unless he is with a great worker like Cesaro who elevates him. Romans in ring defincies have been covered by having matches that include weapons. Can u imagine Roman cutting promos the start of evrery RAW. ratings would drop even more. In this era where there are so many great in ring workers thanks to NXT roman needs to do more than just a superman punch and some screams ooooo ahhhh. And a spear. Reigns needs a manager or to become a silent badass like Batista was. Giving reigns the mic equals bad for business. and reigns need to carve out his own identity guy is still living of the shield gimmick.

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If there ever was a Mirpuri wrestler that would be it :)))

and Eugene Buried again, [MENTION=137419]dashing_man[/MENTION] taken out by a double chair shot :)))

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Eugene why is it u are always banned for pathetic childish posts. U cant argue logically or intellectually at all. U argue like a 10 year old fanboy would. Do me and [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] get banned all the time for making garbage posts. And have to make multiple accounts to get on PP. Bit weird isnt it after your account came back those two taker accounts disappeared from PP. those jobbers did like 5 posts and left after u came back.

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They gonna become active now after reading this post magically :))) [MENTION=137419]dashing_man[/MENTION] is the undisputed Eugene and thing is he has to make us look strong so always displays jobber behaviour so we can bury him :)))
 
Eugene tu maray naal phir muqabla karna piya. Firstly reigns is an average in ring performer guy has improved in last 6 months. But is nowhere near the likes of Cesaro Owens Neville Ziggler Rollins Ambrose etc. His mic work still sucks. And yeah he is a way less version of Old Cena 2005-2013 version the ultimate superhero who has 5 moves who beats better wrestlers than him. Difference is when he isnt being a cheesy goofball Cena can cut a damn fine promo and as shown the last couple of years he can wrestle great matches. Reigns cant do that u see Cesaro using all these innovative moves and roman just doing the superman punch like 10 times in a match. Reigns has a great look size and athleticism but his in ring work is average unless he is with a great worker like Cesaro who elevates him. Romans in ring defincies have been covered by having matches that include weapons. Can u imagine Roman cutting promos the start of evrery RAW. ratings would drop even more. In this era where there are so many great in ring workers thanks to NXT roman needs to do more than just a superman punch and some screams ooooo ahhhh. And a spear. Reigns needs a manager or to become a silent badass like Batista was. Giving reigns the mic equals bad for business. and reigns need to carve out his own identity guy is still living of the shield gimmick.

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i disagree, Cena had shoulder, shoulder, back drop, you can shee me and FU

Reigns have punches, turnbuckle closelines, suplex, samoan drop, leg drop, running leg drop, spear, superman punch and a lot more. No way he's the same moveset as Cena. and most importantly he sell his moves and sell the opponents as well

Cena is only good as selling his moves, he's a Khali when selling opponents move.

Reigns isn't good on the mic, Cena is miles ahead of him. Cena was always better on the mic. So you can't call Reigns as Cena 2.0

and tbh, you people have been hating Reigns since he won the rumble. Get over it. Last year or even before that everyone was invested into Reigns and wanted him to be the first in line out of the Shield to become the Champion
 
Eugene why is it u are always banned for pathetic childish posts. U cant argue logically or intellectually at all. U argue like a 10 year old fanboy would. Do me and @<a href="http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/member.php?u=46929" target="_blank">shaz619</a> get banned all the time for making garbage posts. And have to make multiple accounts to get on PP. Bit weird isnt it after your account came back those two taker accounts disappeared from PP. those jobbers did like 5 posts and left after u came back.

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Tu sai eugene ay. Pathetic non sensical posts. Everytime me and @<a href="http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/member.php?u=46929" target="_blank">shaz619</a> have to bury you. You wannabe smark who cant argue logically at all. How many times do we have to bury you.

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They gonna become active now after reading this post magically :))) @<a href="http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/member.php?u=137419" target="_blank">dashing_man</a> is the undisputed Eugene and thing is he has to make us look strong so always displays jobber behaviour so we can bury him :)))

no matter how many times you jokers assume in your fantasy that I'm buried. Well I will keep coming back.


SSShhhh.....
 
i disagree, Cena had shoulder, shoulder, back drop, you can shee me and FU

Reigns have punches, turnbuckle closelines, suplex, samoan drop, leg drop, running leg drop, spear, superman punch and a lot more. No way he's the same moveset as Cena. and most importantly he sell his moves and sell the opponents as well

Cena is only good as selling his moves, he's a Khali when selling opponents move.

Reigns isn't good on the mic, Cena is miles ahead of him. Cena was always better on the mic. So you can't call Reigns as Cena 2.0

and tbh, you people have been hating Reigns since he won the rumble. Get over it. Last year or even before that everyone was invested into Reigns and wanted him to be the first in line out of the Shield to become the Champion

:))) [MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION] look at this jobber posts, he claims Cena is good at selling and then says his selling is like Khali :))) you are right, this wannabe smark is legit FanTard

Also :))) at the Cena 5 moves of doom, that is so 2005/6 :))) this retard man.

Who is hating on reigns :))) this jobber can't differentiate between fanboyism and objective discussion, what an absolute joke you are Eugene no wonder they banned a retard like you so many times
 
i disagree, Cena had shoulder, shoulder, back drop, you can shee me and FU

Reigns have punches, turnbuckle closelines, suplex, samoan drop, leg drop, running leg drop, spear, superman punch and a lot more. No way he's the same moveset as Cena. and most importantly he sell his moves and sell the opponents as well

Cena is only good as selling his moves, he's a Khali when selling opponents move.

Reigns isn't good on the mic, Cena is miles ahead of him. Cena was always better on the mic. So you can't call Reigns as Cena 2.0

and tbh, you people have been hating Reigns since he won the rumble. Get over it. Last year or even before that everyone was invested into Reigns and wanted him to be the first in line out of the Shield to become the Champion
Bro have u seen cena this year he has added the springboard stunner, hurricanrana powerbomb. And innovates in matches now too. And lmao when is a punch a move these moves u have listed are all basic moves. Clotheslines etc they are bog standard moves. Cena has adapted his style with this batch of great wrestlers cesaro k.o rollins etc. Cena and Rollins matches are a work of art that flow seamlessly. Romans ring work next to theirs is just average. N reigns was booed because he was pushed to the moon while so many other great workers were languishing in the midcard. Reigns just wasnt ready for the title and he still isnt for me. Needs to refine his game more improve the mic skills and the in ring performance. U have all these great in ring performers but a guy who just uses a superman punch like 10 times a match can beat them with such simplistic moves.

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:))) [MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION] look at this jobber posts, he claims Cena is good at selling and then says his selling is like Khali :))) you are right, this wannabe smark is legit FanTard

Also :))) at the Cena 5 moves of doom, that is so 2005/6 :))) this retard man.

Who is hating on reigns :))) this jobber can't differentiate between fanboyism and objective discussion, what an absolute joke you are Eugene no wonder they banned a retard like you so many times
Hahaha omds man eugene is losing his marbles again. Like hunter made austin n rock. [emoji4] [emoji4] [emoji4]. And the Punk discussions we had.

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Bro have u seen cena this year he has added the springboard stunner, hurricanrana powerbomb. And innovates in matches now too. And lmao when is a punch a move these moves u have listed are all basic moves. Clotheslines etc they are bog standard moves. Cena has adapted his style with this batch of great wrestlers cesaro k.o rollins etc. Cena and Rollins matches are a work of art that flow seamlessly. Romans ring work next to theirs is just average. N reigns was booed because he was pushed to the moon while so many other great workers were languishing in the midcard. Reigns just wasnt ready for the title and he still isnt for me. Needs to refine his game more improve the mic skills and the in ring performance. U have all these great in ring performers but a guy who just uses a superman punch like 10 times a match can beat them with such simplistic moves.

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those moves he's been trying looks like he's in a circus planning everything and then performing. Cena is still the worst wrestler to become the WWE Champion.

Reigns moves shows aggression and intensity. They remind a lot about AE brawls. All three members of the SHield are very good wrestlers, there's a reason why they were brought in together.

Reigns only flaw is his mic skills. But he has considerably improved and Vince won't let anyone decent with the mic go over
 
those moves he's been trying looks like he's in a circus planning everything and then performing. Cena is still the worst wrestler to become the WWE Champion.

Reigns moves shows aggression and intensity. They remind a lot about AE brawls. All three members of the SHield are very good wrestlers, there's a reason why they were brought in together.

Reigns only flaw is his mic skills. But he has considerably improved and Vince won't let anyone decent with the mic go over
2015 Cena has been praised for putting on many great matches. When Reigns wins the WWE World heavyweight title he will become the new worst wrestler to hold the gold. Firstly reigns has always been a WWE guy. Reigns was picked A) due to his great look physique and athleticism. B) His heritage and great lineage in this business. Rollins and Ambrose were indy stars who refined their craft on the road over a number of years. As a trio yeah they were awesome u had the great in ring skills of Rollins the great in ring psychology of Ambrose and his mic skills. While u had reigns silent charisma and size. But when u try to mould Roman into a stereotype babyface doing lame promos and also as a singles competitor his in ring work was exposed.

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2015 Cena has been praised for putting on many great matches. When Reigns wins the WWE World heavyweight title he will become the new worst wrestler to hold the gold. Firstly reigns has always been a WWE guy. Reigns was picked A) due to his great look physique and athleticism. B) His heritage and great lineage in this business. Rollins and Ambrose were indy stars who refined their craft on the road over a number of years. As a trio yeah they were awesome u had the great in ring skills of Rollins the great in ring psychology of Ambrose and his mic skills. While u had reigns silent charisma and size. But when u try to mould Roman into a stereotype babyface doing lame promos and also as a singles competitor his in ring work was exposed.

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of course it looks dumb but still its better than Cena. If I wanted someone to become Champion right now, I would pick Kevin Owens over anybody, he can be the perfect Authority baby
But, having Reigns as a Champion won't be bad as I reckon he will live up to it just like he did at Mania this year.
I've always said this that Reigns better off with a silent serious gimmick which worked best for him in the Shield. But WWE wants thier atheletes these days to speak.
 
Lana getting buried by Paige :))

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This looks 100% real to me. It's pretty hypocritical of Paige to say "Don't talk crap and delete it" when she's berated fans for chanting JBL and "WE WANT SASHA!" during one of her matches a few months ago and deleted the tweet.
 
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Ric Flair breaks silence on Paige/Charlotte angle

On Ric Flair's latest podcast, he talked about the controversial Paige/Charlotte angle from RAW. Flair says he was not informed on Monday in advance about what was going to be said. Thanks to The LAW for the quotes:

"Obviously I have an opinion, but I'm afraid to voice it because I don't want anything to affect Ashley's career."

"I know that Hunter and Stephanie and Michael Hayes have her (Ashley) back."

"I don't think she feels she's comfortable enough to say 'no' to anything yet, she's only been up there three-months.

"I never heard a word about it. I started crying when I was watching it. Nope, nobody called me."

Click Here for the audio. Flair's comments starts at 6:39.
 
[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] [MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION] [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] did you watch the RAW main event

Charlotte did a really good job giving Paige a makeover :))
 
[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] [MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION] [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] did you watch the RAW main event

Charlotte did a really good job giving Paige a makeover :))

Charlottes mic skills suck. Paige carried the segment but that last comment damn that was cold. Charlotte is pretty bland atm she is just flairs daughter maybe her best work would be as a heel. Like her daddy.


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Charlottes mic skills suck. Paige carried the segment but that last comment damn that was cold. Charlotte is pretty bland atm she is just flairs daughter maybe her best work would be as a heel. Like her daddy.


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Her mic skills are not the greatest but she's very similar to Seth Rollins in that she makes up for it in the ring through her babyface mannerisms; absolutely brilliant at selling just like her daddy and I don't think it's such a bad thing that she's embracing the Flair name because Charlotte has carved out her own identity through brilliant performances in the ring. Going back to her mic skills, she's still relatively new on the roster and I remember when Paige first started everyone was crapping all over her mic skills but she got better. Charlotte was actually decent on the mic during her stint on NXT and that was mainly because her mic time was limited but even then her delivery was fine. The final segment of RAW was great but it just dragged on and went too long; in such situations if you're not very very good on the mic you get exposed a bit but in that instance I blame the booking. Paige was brilliant though and has really come of age; her growth reminds me a little of Kurt Angle when he first showed up, he just got better and better. Anyhow Charlotte did display genuine emotion and apparently it wasn't her idea the whole Reid thing, anyway even though the segment went too long the women main-evented RAW, Paige was able to get mega heat, Charlotte's emotion did well in making the feud personal and the brawl at the end was excellent. In the end creative had the right idea but the execution wasn't as well as it could have been but in the grand scheme of things they achieved their goal and it's a pivotal moment when the women main-event a RAW, whether people agree with the use of Reid or not is subjective but one thing is for sure; it exposed creative because Paige and Charlotte are capable of getting fans to be invested in their feud without cheap heat tactics and with the correct creative backing they'd have the platform to achieve that but alas creative took the easy way out given their lack of depth.

Adil watch Charlotte v Natalya at NXT, it's probably the greatest womens technical matches I've seen in recent times. Charlotte v Sasha the whole series and feud was pretty good to and the fatal 4 way starring the likes of Becky
 
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Her mic skills are not the greatest but she's very similar to Seth Rollins in that she makes up for it in the ring through her babyface mannerisms; absolutely brilliant at selling just like her daddy and I don't think it's such a bad thing that she's embracing the Flair name because Charlotte has carved out her own identity through brilliant performances in the ring. Going back to her mic skills, she's still relatively new on the roster and I remember when Paige first started everyone was crapping all over her mic skills but she got better. Charlotte was actually decent on the mic during her stint on NXT and that was mainly because her mic time was limited but even then her delivery was fine. The final segment of RAW was great but it just dragged on and went too long; in such situations if you're not very very good on the mic you get exposed a bit but in that instance I blame the booking. Paige was brilliant though and has really come of age; her growth reminds me a little of Kurt Angle when he first showed up, he just got better and better. Anyhow Charlotte did display genuine emotion and apparently it wasn't her idea the whole Reid thing, anyway even though the segment went too long the women main-evented RAW, Paige was able to get mega heat, Charlotte's emotion did well in making the feud personal and the brawl at the end was excellent. In the end creative had the right idea but the execution wasn't as well as it could have been but in the grand scheme of things they achieved their goal and it's a pivotal moment when the women main-event a RAW, whether people agree with the use of Reid or not is subjective but one thing is for sure; it exposed creative because Paige and Charlotte are capable of getting fans to be invested in their feud without cheap heat tactics and with the correct creative backing they'd have the platform to achieve that but alas creative took the easy way out given their lack of depth.

Adil watch Charlotte v Natalya at NXT, it's probably the greatest womens technical matches I've seen in recent times. Charlotte v Sasha the whole series and feud was pretty good to and the fatal 4 way starring the likes of Becky
Bro i am impressed with Charlottes ring work. But idk man so far she hasnt really wowed me in her main roster stint. but i know thats wwe uncreatives fault largely. but hopefully that brawl at the end of the segment will lead to better things and more intensity from charlotte. Charlotte looked so lame when paige berated her publicly on RAW then she just forgave her and then got mugged off and attacked by Paige. but i will check out them matches for sure. I love Paige though I wanna take her to Space Mountain.

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Heard there's been a big controversy over what happened on Monday night Raw.

I'm torn on this. I love the personal rivalries where the storylines are more than just about title shots or 'you cost my match blah blah' and when its done right its magic as we've seen over the years.

However a heel trying to provoke a babyface by using the death of a family member ? It feels uncomfortable and you could see Charlotte was a wreck in the segment. Obviously she wasn't gonna say no to doing the segment as she's still a young up-and-comer and doesn't want to appear as a 'bad team player'.

However to not even run the angle by Ric or Elizabeth Flair who's Charlotte's mother and ask if they're OK with it, that's low. Infact Ric didn't even know about it until they did it live. Elizabeth spoke out against it on Twitter. Come on WWE, you don't need to exploit the death of a relative whose died two years ago from a drug overdose to sell PPVs. Its not the first time its happened either, it brought back memories of those uncomfortable segments with Rey Mysterio and Randy Orton where they kept invoking Eddie Guerrero's death.
 
Heard there's been a big controversy over what happened on Monday night Raw.

I'm torn on this. I love the personal rivalries where the storylines are more than just about title shots or 'you cost my match blah blah' and when its done right its magic as we've seen over the years.

However a heel trying to provoke a babyface by using the death of a family member ? It feels uncomfortable and you could see Charlotte was a wreck in the segment. Obviously she wasn't gonna say no to doing the segment as she's still a young up-and-comer and doesn't want to appear as a 'bad team player'.

However to not even run the angle by Ric or Elizabeth Flair who's Charlotte's mother and ask if they're OK with it, that's low. Infact Ric didn't even know about it until they did it live. Elizabeth spoke out against it on Twitter. Come on WWE, you don't need to exploit the death of a relative whose died two years ago from a drug overdose to sell PPVs. Its not the first time its happened either, it brought back memories of those uncomfortable segments with Rey Mysterio and Randy Orton where they kept invoking Eddie Guerrero's death.

While I agree that if the Flair Family were cool with the idea of using Reid to elevate a segment to generate heat and interest in the feud am not torn in terms of whether or not Reid's death should have been exploited. In these times WWE should never have allowed it and here are the reasons:

1. It shows how big of a hypocrite WWE can be.

Blood is not permitted in matches.

Daniel Bryan gets released for a mix of a questionably overzealous tie choke on Justin Roberts in the Nexus invasion and then spitting in John Cena’s face.

CM Punk gets admonished for a tweet where he jokingly reflects upon shitting his pants during a match with curse words.

Whether it’s for the sake of sponsor acquisition, a “getting with the times” attitude or some other reason, WWE is well within the PC bubble that’s entrenched itself in Western culture. This is the WWE that brings in Susan G. Komen, created B A Star and is attached to Connor’s Cure.

Yet, somehow, it’s ok to mention Reid Flair, as Paige uses his death via accidental overdose to get into Charlotte’s head. A man legitimately parishes as he deals with his demons and the company that considers “****” tweets, tie chokes and juicing too much for their shows… is apparently OK with it.

No possible justification for the inclusion of his mention is good:

While the blood, the tie choke and the “****” tweet were not WWE’s idea, this mostly likely was. It’s OK to be shocking and (supposedly) cutting-edge as long as it’s not a wrestler taking the initiative to up his cred.
WWE’s PC and PG value system frowns upon blood, choking people, funny tweets with profanity… but “hey, go ahead and mention someone who’s passed away to fabricate personal animosity in a make-believe feud.”

2. It shows how little they have to offer creatively.

Save for a stellar Wrestlemania, Summerslam and NXT Takeovers, WWE’s creativity is, arguably, at its lowest since 1995-1996’s “all our wrestlers have a profession” approach.

In 2015, the weekly shows blend into each other. Storylines, when existing, are mostly lazy. Matches are repeated ad nauseam. Very few wrestlers clearly have well-defined characters in a world that, again, professes to be entertainment which, in most of its greatest forms, tends to be character-driven.

Instead of Austin vs. McMahon, Angle vs. Eddie, Bryan vs. Punk, WWE is bringing us a steady diet of Ziggler/Lana/Rusev/Summer, while strongly believing putting 9 women in 3 groups of 3 that fight every week a Divas Revolution makes.

Not to mention that while WWE has the theoretical monopoly of the business, its ego remains at the “Monday Night War” level, and Sting has to pay admission upon entry, by putting over the authority figure of the show in his debut match, while said authority figure uses the momentum he gained from the win for… nothing.

This is arguably the best roster WWE has had in years. It includes Dean Ambrose, Cesaro, The New Day, Finn Balor, Kevin Owens, Brock Lesnar, John Cena, so many others and a swarm of female talent the WWE has never seen before.

Awaiting said roster is – again – arguably, the least creative WWE management in decades. The ones who booked Sheamus vs. Orton 500 times, thought Taker should lose the Streak without properly setting it up in the story, and let Ziggler/Lana/Rusev/Summer continue forever, only to shut it down out of nowhere because TMZ reported on Lana and Rusev’s getting hitched.

WWE has shown an increasing difficulty in making its fans care consistently about the product they’re putting out (save for NXT), which is partly due to its exceedingly diverse crowd (in terms of age groups), but mainly because of years of storytelling that just weren’t, for the most part, engaging.

So, when you mention Reid Flair in a storyline, it’s only the latest in a series of innefective “creative” attempts to “shake things up”. Here’s why:

We can argue about the percentage of the live and televised audience who understood the reference, but it was probably quite minute. Which means you’re banking on a personal escalation of a feud through a reference about 5 to 10% of your audience will understand.

It was made to escalate a feud where Paige is the backstabbing ex-BFF who needs to get her ass kicked. If the story had been well told, that’s all you’d really need (see “Seth Rollins & The Shield”). These two angles should have either been used to ignite different feuds, or re-ignite the feud once its original approach (backstabbing stable member) runs its course.

Finally, just being blunt: if you need to bring in legit dead relatives to get momentum on a feud, I have no idea what you’re doing in the storytelling business.

It’s a hit-and-miss business, and right now I’m hard-pressed to find a mark on the dartboard.

3. Oh and about that unwritten rule of “if the family approved, it’s fine”… :misbah:inti:uakmal:irfan

Elizabeth and Flair have expressed their dislike for the use of Reid's death to elevate an angle.
 
[MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] However, in the grand scheme of things the women main-evented RAW and the segment itself was great despite the fact it shouldn't have lasted as long as it did in terms of the time. They have also managed to generate interest for the match at Survivor Series.
 
[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] [MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION] [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] did you watch the RAW main event

Charlotte did a really good job giving Paige a makeover :))

What happened? I just watched the first segment and skimmed through the rest of the show. :))
 
What happened? I just watched the first segment and skimmed through the rest of the show. :))

Watch the main event contract signing, something wrong happened there

also KO V Neville indy memories

Dean V Ziggler, awesome

Reigns V Cesaro regardless of the outcome best match of the night
 
[MENTION=138379]#GreenRoars[/MENTION] [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] [MENTION=3474]TalhaSyed[/MENTION] you two said will organize the next competition, so get on with it
 
[MENTION=138379]#GreenRoars[/MENTION] [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] [MENTION=3474]TalhaSyed[/MENTION] you two said will organize the next competition, so get on with it
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Eugene gonna Eugene :yk2 and he's coming up with his own theories to cause confusion surrounding the prediction competition when he has no proof of what greenRoars 1 , Talha 2 or me 3 said or didn't say :)))
 
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Eugene gonna Eugene :yk2 and he's coming up with his own theories to cause confusion surrounding the prediction competition when he has no proof of what greenRoars 1 , Talha 2 or me 3 said or didn't say :)))

I tagged GR so he should know about you two :moyo

now get to work
 
I was under the impression that Taker & Kane will fine two more partners and have a 4 on 4 traditional Survivor Series match against the Wyatts. Who wants to see a freaking tag match? :))
 
I was under the impression that Taker & Kane will fine two more partners and have a 4 on 4 traditional Survivor Series match against the Wyatts. Who wants to see a freaking tag match? :))

shut aap! :acp you are getting Taker in PPV, no complain :moyo
 
PakPassion Survivor Series Prediction Competition

Match 1: Charlotte VS Paige (2 Points)

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Match 2: Undertaker & Kane VS The Wyatt Family (2 Points)

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Match 3: Dean Ambrose vs Kevin Ambrose (2 Points)

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Match 4: Roman Reigns VS Alberto Del Rio (2 Points)

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Match 5: Dolph Ziggler VS Tyler Breeze (2 Points)

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Match 6: WWE World Heavyweight Championship Finals (3 Points)

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Money In The Bank Cash In (+3 Points; -3 Points)


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Rules:

  • 2 Points for every match predicted correctly
  • 3 Points if you predict the over all winner of the WWE World Heavyweight Championship tournament correctly
  • +3 points if you predict there will be a MITB Cash in & there is. -3 points if predict there will be a cash in and there isn't. 0 points if you predict there will not be a MITB cash in.

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[MENTION=138379]#GreenRoars[/MENTION] - Please update the thread title :) with info about SS prediction comp.
 
Idiotic stuff not to turn the brothers of destruction match into a 4 on 4 elimination match.

I hope bray isn't forced to job to the undertaker and Kane.
 
I was under the impression that Taker & Kane will fine two more partners and have a 4 on 4 traditional Survivor Series match against the Wyatts. Who wants to see a freaking tag match? :))

Survivor Series was defined by the Classic elimination tag match. Guess WWE have give up on that completely
 
Divas championship is the only thing worth watching in WWE these days. Great stuff going on. Never has the Divas division been filled with so much talent and so many potential champion contenders.
 
– during a recent edition of his wooooo! Nation podcast, ric flair addressed a number of topics in a fan q&a session. Here are some highlights…

on seth rollins relocating for rehab: “actually, seth is doing the right thing. He’s going to transfer the flag from waterloo to birmingham and stay there for at least two months of rehab, which is the best thing to do. That’s what hunter did. Hunter just moved right down there when he tore his quad the last time.”

on getting cesaro ready for a brock lesnar feud: I feel like cesaro, given the opportunity and with a vehicle to convey his thoughts, whether it be through himself or through a manager, which would be me, you could get him ready for brock lesnar in two months and the people would believe it. He’s that strong and he’s good [of] a performer. And he’s that big. You’re not going to bounce cesaro around like a dart.” flair continued, “i think he could be a great opponent for brock lesnar. I mean, you’d need to stay on him because his work is phenomenal, he looks like a million bucks, and he’s stronger than a horse in real life. He’s really strong, strongest guy in the company, and that came right from john cena.”

on the wwe title tournament: “i don’t think they’re going to put ambrose and reigns [in the finals] because i don’t know how the crowd would react to that. They’re both kind of like fan favorites and it would be hard for them. I think they’d rather have a definitive good guy/bad guy [match]. I would say kevin owens [will face reigns in the finals] because kevin’s getting a huge reaction over here [in europe].” flair added, “we only have a couple [of] heels that are actually heels all the time. Kevin is one of them, stephanie [mcmahon] being the other.”

wooooooooo
 
Literally joined this site to speak about professional wrestling with fellow fanatics.

Dont you know you cannot destroy that which does not wish to perish.
 
1) Charlotte
2) Taker-Kane
3) Ambrose
4) Reigns
5) Breeze
6) Ambrose
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