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[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] - thanks a lot for taking over and taking care of the Royal Rumble prediction competition bro, as well as the prayers and well wishes. Sorry about kind of 'dumping' the RR comp on you at the last second. Alhumdullilah things have now somewhat settled back down down and InshAllah I should be around more often now :)

Also [MENTION=66397]Green[/MENTION]Roars & [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] - thank you for your kind wishes and remembering me in your duas :)
 
Adil_94 said:
Some people are suggesting that he got the excessive punishment because he's black. I know vinnys attitude to black wrestlers generally has been pathetic but do u think that's a legit reason for why he would get punished so harshly.

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An incident comes to mind where dave was fined a whooping 100K for blading in the early years during PG era, dave not only paid that fine but also the fines of those who were involved in him deciding to blade during an epic cage match with Jericho. That really hurt dave on all levels and he was already not happy with the direction of the company, it was the final nail in the coffin for his run in the WWE and things would never be the same again as far as his relationship with the company was concerned so he left. That was a lot more serious then what Titus did, him being suspended for shoving vince playfully only sends one message "it's okay to abuse drugs and take steriods but don't shove vinny mac" Dave, MVP and Titus are great friends, both said to him leave the WWE there is life beyond the E and he's a talented guy. Also, remember when Vince called John Cena a Niggger? then defended himself that it was fictional etc this was during PG era mind you :)) There has never been a pure black WWE Champion and in the past there have been various racial scandals which were wiped under the carpet, more recently Alberto got in trouble for responding to an employee who racially abused him while that employee was not punished at all. Discrimination still exists but am not sure if Vinces decision to punish Titus was purely motivated by racism but it's not something which is way out of order to contemplate given the companies history
 
TalhaSyed said:
[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] - thanks a lot for taking over and taking care of the Royal Rumble prediction competition bro, as well as the prayers and well wishes. Sorry about kind of 'dumping' the RR comp on you at the last second. Alhumdullilah things have now somewhat settled back down down and InshAllah I should be around more often now :)

Also [MENTION=66397]Green[/MENTION]Roars & [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] - thank you for your kind wishes and remembering me in your duas :)
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Glad you're well now hopefully it remains that way.
 
Not sure discrimination is the reason there has never been a Black WWE champion. The World Heavyweight Championship has been just as, if not more, prestigious than the WWE title and several Black wrestlers have held it. It is just down to coincidence since neither of Henry, Booker or Lashley had enough heat at the right moment to carry the title. Most of the time they weren't even on the right brand.
 
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Nice to have you back [MENTION=3474]TalhaSyed[/MENTION]

and congrats to my jobber [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] for getting his much awaited push, [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] he finally is getting his Mania moment :sree
 
Bilal7 said:
Not sure discrimination is the reason there has never been a Black WWE champion. The World Heavyweight Championship has been just as, if not more, prestigious than the WWE title and several Black wrestlers have held it. It is just down to coincidence since neither of Henry, Booker or Lashley had enough heat at the right moment to carry the title. Most of the time they weren't even on the right brand.
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Bilal you are 100% correct, World Heavyweight Championship is the most prestigious of all time; especially if you look at it's lineage and history. However, in recent times the WWE had been using it as no more then an upper-mid card championship and for a very lengthy period it has played 2nd fiddle to the WWE title barring the early 2000's when HHH won the belt and during Invasion angle. After prolonged criticism of how WWE were booking their wrestlers with the WHC and how it was being disregarded so much, the company were forced to unify the titles and I think it was the correct decision. There is no brand split between RAW and Smackdown anymore as well so that hurt the WHC as well.

Here are some names who deserved a run with the WWE title:

M.V.P. had the charisma that made fans easily hate him. With his mic skills and ability to tell a story in the ring, M.V.P. could have made a solid WWE Champion had the company given him a run with the belt.

When Ahmed Johnson entered the WWE in the mid ’90s, fans had never seen anything like him before. He was a powerhouse, who was also very agile. Johnson says he was told by Shawn Michaels to stop doing high-flying moves because it would not look as special when Michaels did it. Ron Simmons noted that Johnson did not really understand the give and take of the business. Nonetheless, take away those issues and Ahmed Johnson is easily a candidate for being a WWE Champion.

Prior to entering the world of professional wrestling, Tony Atlas was a multiple time champion in bodybuilding and powerlifting. When he entered the wrestling business, he teamed with Rocky Johnson (The Rock’s dad) and the two became the first African-American Tag Team Champions. Atlas made a name for himself as a single’s competitor when he became the first man to press slam and pin Hulk Hogan. Atlas had the look and with his championship pedigree in the world of bodybuilding and powerlifting the WWE Championship title would have solidified him as a true athlete.

When Bobby Lashley entered the WWE, he had champion written all over him. Fans believed he was the guy. Lashley would win the ECW Championship and engage in a few feuds with John Cena for the WWE Championship. He may not be someone fans would like to hear speak, but give him a manager to go along with his ring work and look and Bobby Lashley is a WWE Champion.

Kofi Kingston came in the WWE and captivated the WWE Universe with his high-flying moves. Recently, his Royal Rumble survival tactics have been stealing the show. But it was in 2009 when Kingston proved that he belonged at the top. Madison Square Garden (if you can make it there you can make it anywhere) was the place where Kingston owned the crowd as he hit Randy Orton with a leaping leg drop. His crowd connection proved that he could be at the top of the mountain and fans would buy in.

Ron Simmons was the first African-American World Champion when he was in WCW. He knew exactly what it took to be a World Champion and all of the responsibility that comes with it. When he joined the WWE as Faarooq, there was no reason he should not have been the guy. He was very easy to hate as leader of the Nation of Domination during the time of gang warfare in the company. Faarooq would have been a champion who would have drawn a lot of heat, even from those who were not wrestling fans.

Not much needs to be said about Booker T and Henry when it comes to specific, their A/R ability and versatility spoke for itself and there is no reason the E should not have gave them runs with the WWE title. Henry had immense heat after his fake retirement promo and should have gone over Cena but instead he was fed to him. However, you are right in that many a time it wasn't convenient for WWE to put the belt on Booker T given that he wasn't on the right brand; I think he feuded with JBL during his run as smackdowns longest reigning champ but Booker wasn't built as a contender who could beat him and JBL was carrying the brand as the top heel.
 
Yeah, AJ isn't going to do much in the WWE.

Jobbing clean to the guy who loses to everyone :facepalm:

I would of had him at least unbeaten before taking on a mainevent but nah, he can't even beat Jericho who always comes back to job to midcarders and mainevent nobodies (Bray)...
 
shaz619 said:
[MENTION=95766]leatherface58[/MENTION] [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] [MENTION=115388]I Believe in the Teesra[/MENTION]

Here's a letter from the founder of ROH and currently promoter of Evolve whom NXT have a working relationship with (Gabe) to Bryan:

Bryan, the news of your retirement today has reverberated through me unleashing a flood of memories and gratefulness.

Thank you, Bryan, for being in the main event of the first show I ever booked and making the name "Ring Of Honor" mean something that very night. You set the standard for the promotion and made my reputation as a booker in the early years. You did that quietly, humbly, and with class.

Thank you, Bryan, for getting on a plane in France and flying to Dayton and Chicago, doing two tough matches, and then getting right back on a plane to Europe. I know you didn't want to, but you did it unselfishly because we needed you.

Thank you, Bryan, for being there for me when we lost James Gibson after months of planning for him to be World Champion. You made the commitment to us then, because we needed someone to put the company on their back. You stayed modest, but you did it with a new attitude, stronger emotion, and unrivaled work ethic.

Thank you, Bryan for being there for Full Impact Pro when Homicide had to lose the Title due to an injury. You traveled the backroads of Florida and made it fun. You did it the right way, making the match where you finally lost the title to Roderick Strong one of the most emotional bouts I've seen.

Thank you, Bryan, for being there for me during one of the most difficult times of my life. When I felt alone and deserted, you called me and said "I wish we could start over." You spent hours talking about ideas for a new promotion. You called it "EVOLVE." No one was happier for you when you signed with WWE before you could wrestle for EVOLVE. The ideas you talked about are now seen in wrestlers like Timothy Thatcher, Drew Gulak, TJ Perkins, Tracy Williams, and Matt Riddle. You did it creatively, always with an eye on the future while being progressive.

Thank you, Bryan, for texting me "Thank you for everything" just hours before you won the WWE World Heavyweight Title at WrestleMania XXX. That text made me realize that I had to call Paul Heyman to get me into the Superdome so I could witness it in person. I have the image of the fans going crazy while you held up the title forever in my memory. I had tears in my eyes. You did it while remaining humble and appreciative of your past.

Thank you, Bryan, for making my career, teaching me, being an example to everyone and for being the man. Thank you, sir.
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Is this Gabe Sapolsky? Lol I saw a video where punk imitated a wrestler on the phone with Gabe and pretended to no show an ROH main event. Gabe almost got a heart attack. :)))
 
Aman said:
Yeah, AJ isn't going to do much in the WWE.

Jobbing clean to the guy who loses to everyone :facepalm:

I would of had him at least unbeaten before taking on a mainevent but nah, he can't even beat Jericho who always comes back to job to midcarders and mainevent nobodies (Bray)...
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I don't know why one loss means he is a jobber. Ideally, he shouldn't have lost. But this adds momentum to their match at Fastlane where AJ will surely go over.

Look at it this way : AJ has lost more singles matches in WWE cleanly than Roman Reigns has. :yk
 
leatherface58 said:
I don't know why one loss means he is a jobber. Ideally, he shouldn't have lost. But this adds momentum to their match at Fastlane where AJ will surely go over.

Look at it this way : AJ has lost more singles matches in WWE cleanly than Roman Reigns has. :yk
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It makes him a jobber as it clearly puts him in the same bracket as Jericho (mid card). It's not just that, the fact he's struggling against the social outcasts (even ran away from them), subtly indicates that he's a midcarder at best, when reality the guy should be being booked as a geuine title contender who can beat mid carders and jobbers with ease. Just imagine what the likes of Cena, Reigns, Ambrose, Lesnar and even KO would have done to Jericho and the social outcasts..
 
[MENTION=95766]leatherface58[/MENTION] you don't get it, they've already set AJ's ceiling. He'll never be a genuine title contender, even when he does manage to make the main event scene, I doubt they'll book him seriously. At best he'll be a transitional champ who'll never mainevent as champ at the big PPVs.

They've already stuck him with the redneck rookie/pitbull crap (so obvious this is Vinces doing)

Instead of making a big deal out of him, they've pointed to his defiencies and have ran him down every chance they get (they're not trying to book him strong in it either, ran away from job squad and lost clean to a c lass part timer - one that doesn't even get close to a WM mainevent)
 
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I'm already having doubts about AJ in WWE, I get the feeling AJ's brand will be hurt by this WWE run.
 
How many years did AJ sign for?

Only a matter of time before he starts jobbing to the likes of Ryback or gets demoted to superstars or NXT.
 
Loved AJ vs Jericho match. Just reminded me of how actual fighting skills we've been missing in recent times. Just a lot of pumped up good looking lads throwing fake punches at each other aint pro wrestling.

Not too happy with championship belt changing ownership every other month, its become a joke ever since Seth got injured. Reigns' barely carried that belt for a month and it will already be his 3rd if he wins again. Non sense.

I dunno i was pretty happy with Sheamus carrying it.
 
Smackdown was really good imo

Dudleys turning heel, Jericho V AJ and Wyatts giving hints for their target at Mania. I'm guessing it will be Brock Lesnar at Fastlane. it makes sense since they were the one behind him getting eliminated in the Royal Rumble. I hope Dean wins then, no way I want to have Reigns V HHH at Mania.
 
shaz619 said:
Bilal you are 100% correct, World Heavyweight Championship is the most prestigious of all time; especially if you look at it's lineage and history. However, in recent times the WWE had been using it as no more then an upper-mid card championship and for a very lengthy period it has played 2nd fiddle to the WWE title barring the early 2000's when HHH won the belt and during Invasion angle. After prolonged criticism of how WWE were booking their wrestlers with the WHC and how it was being disregarded so much, the company were forced to unify the titles and I think it was the correct decision. There is no brand split between RAW and Smackdown anymore as well so that hurt the WHC as well.

Here are some names who deserved a run with the WWE title:

M.V.P. had the charisma that made fans easily hate him. With his mic skills and ability to tell a story in the ring, M.V.P. could have made a solid WWE Champion had the company given him a run with the belt.

When Ahmed Johnson entered the WWE in the mid ’90s, fans had never seen anything like him before. He was a powerhouse, who was also very agile. Johnson says he was told by Shawn Michaels to stop doing high-flying moves because it would not look as special when Michaels did it. Ron Simmons noted that Johnson did not really understand the give and take of the business. Nonetheless, take away those issues and Ahmed Johnson is easily a candidate for being a WWE Champion.

Prior to entering the world of professional wrestling, Tony Atlas was a multiple time champion in bodybuilding and powerlifting. When he entered the wrestling business, he teamed with Rocky Johnson (The Rock’s dad) and the two became the first African-American Tag Team Champions. Atlas made a name for himself as a single’s competitor when he became the first man to press slam and pin Hulk Hogan. Atlas had the look and with his championship pedigree in the world of bodybuilding and powerlifting the WWE Championship title would have solidified him as a true athlete.

When Bobby Lashley entered the WWE, he had champion written all over him. Fans believed he was the guy. Lashley would win the ECW Championship and engage in a few feuds with John Cena for the WWE Championship. He may not be someone fans would like to hear speak, but give him a manager to go along with his ring work and look and Bobby Lashley is a WWE Champion.

Kofi Kingston came in the WWE and captivated the WWE Universe with his high-flying moves. Recently, his Royal Rumble survival tactics have been stealing the show. But it was in 2009 when Kingston proved that he belonged at the top. Madison Square Garden (if you can make it there you can make it anywhere) was the place where Kingston owned the crowd as he hit Randy Orton with a leaping leg drop. His crowd connection proved that he could be at the top of the mountain and fans would buy in.

Ron Simmons was the first African-American World Champion when he was in WCW. He knew exactly what it took to be a World Champion and all of the responsibility that comes with it. When he joined the WWE as Faarooq, there was no reason he should not have been the guy. He was very easy to hate as leader of the Nation of Domination during the time of gang warfare in the company. Faarooq would have been a champion who would have drawn a lot of heat, even from those who were not wrestling fans.

Not much needs to be said about Booker T and Henry when it comes to specific, their A/R ability and versatility spoke for itself and there is no reason the E should not have gave them runs with the WWE title. Henry had immense heat after his fake retirement promo and should have gone over Cena but instead he was fed to him. However, you are right in that many a time it wasn't convenient for WWE to put the belt on Booker T given that he wasn't on the right brand; I think he feuded with JBL during his run as smackdowns longest reigning champ but Booker wasn't built as a contender who could beat him and JBL was carrying the brand as the top heel.
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Great post, bro! A five-star post.
 
Someone please book a Brock Lesnar vs Dean Ambrose match for Wrestlemania. Make AJ keep feuding with Jericho and let Wyatt win the Battle Royal.

Lesnar and the Lunatic's engagements are the most entertaining thing going on in WWE today. Imagine what a superstar Ambrose will become if he takes the Beast to his limit.

Then 2017's Wrestlemania can be headlined by Ambrose vs Rollins vs Reigns.
 
Aman said:
[MENTION=95766]leatherface58[/MENTION] you don't get it, they've already set AJ's ceiling. He'll never be a genuine title contender, even when he does manage to make the main event scene, I doubt they'll book him seriously. At best he'll be a transitional champ who'll never mainevent as champ at the big PPVs.

They've already stuck him with the redneck rookie/pitbull crap (so obvious this is Vinces doing)

Instead of making a big deal out of him, they've pointed to his defiencies and have ran him down every chance they get (they're not trying to book him strong in it either, ran away from job squad and lost clean to a c lass part timer - one that doesn't even get close to a WM mainevent)
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Did you just call Jericho c class?

He is a 6 time world champion. AJ beat him in the first match he faced him. That's impressive considering the casuals or newbies don't know who AJ is. I'm guessing their match at Fastlane will be a stipulation match hopefully a street fight. Jericho is putting AJ over period. And AJ running from Jobbers was not cowardly, it was smart. Showed he didn't want to be the brave face rather a smarter one, perhaps sowing seeds for a heel turn.

Okay, I'm probably giving too much credit to WWE creative but i think it's too soon to speculate that AJ is getting to fandango status.
 
Aman said:
[MENTION=95766]leatherface58[/MENTION] you don't get it, they've already set AJ's ceiling. He'll never be a genuine title contender, even when he does manage to make the main event scene, I doubt they'll book him seriously. At best he'll be a transitional champ who'll never mainevent as champ at the big PPVs.

They've already stuck him with the redneck rookie/pitbull crap (so obvious this is Vinces doing)

Instead of making a big deal out of him, they've pointed to his defiencies and have ran him down every chance they get (they're not trying to book him strong in it either, ran away from job squad and lost clean to a c lass part timer - one that doesn't even get close to a WM mainevent)
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It makes him a jobber as it clearly puts him in the same bracket as Jericho (mid card). It's not just that, the fact he's struggling against the social outcasts (even ran away from them), subtly indicates that he's a midcarder at best, when reality the guy should be being booked as a geuine title contender who can beat mid carders and jobbers with ease. Just imagine what the likes of Cena, Reigns, Ambrose, Lesnar and even KO would have done to Jericho and the social outcasts..
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Aman said:
I'm already having doubts about AJ in WWE, I get the feeling AJ's brand will be hurt by this WWE run.
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Aman said:
How many years did AJ sign for?

Only a matter of time before he starts jobbing to the likes of Ryback or gets demoted to superstars or NXT.
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I share your concern and I would have preferred if AJ didn't lose so early but after much thought,

Here's the deal with the Styles-Jericho story:

With AJ, it's about showing he IS the man, that he does meet the hype, and beating a 6X World Champion and sure to be HOFer shows that.

For Y2J, it's about showing he's STILL the man, that all these years later he still is a threat, and beating the younger, faster stud like AJ shows that.

So now it's 1-1, and the rubber match will surely take place at Fastlane to prove once and for all who the better man is.

I love that this feud is a simple "these guys respect each other, but they just don't like each other."
And to the people who are going to complain about 50/50 booking, this is a feud where this method might actually greatly benefit them. Jericho is establishing himself again as a true player, while Styles is showing he can beat the top tier talent but not maybe not win the psychological warfare with a heel Y2J.
[MENTION=95766]leatherface58[/MENTION] Aman may have called an ATG like Jericho a C level part-timer and while it's not true given how big a star Jericho is and the great heights he reached during his glittering career....BUT the WWE/creative have treated jericho like a C level part-timer in recent times to the point where Y2J demanded that he will only work house shows. You see Y2J is incredibly competitive and he only enjoys taking part in story-lines which are enthralling and all parties involved in the feud come out looking even better. For the first time after a long time, this isn't another nostalgia/vanilla return for Y2J; there seems to be direction and that can only mean good things for AJ because when he does go over in the blow off match it would have been over a Y2J who isn't the guy who is booked by creative as a C-level part-timer but one of the greatest wrestlers of all time.

The way I would have approached it would be for AJ to have gone over again via small package or something and then after the match in a fit of rage Jericho brutally attacks him completing his heel turn. But after more thought, Jericho going over AJ wasn't entirely a bad idea because it makes the feud competitive. AJ repeatedly going over Jericho will derail the significance of each victory because he'd be defeating the C-Level part timer who WWE have used like a jobber when they ought to be doing his star power justice, e.g see CM Punk feud with the Part time GOAT Y2J enroute to wrestlemania 28 Bottles up Punk! :)))
[MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] hopefully that makes you feel better :))
 
leatherface58 said:
Did you just call Jericho c class?

He is a 6 time world champion. AJ beat him in the first match he faced him. That's impressive considering the casuals or newbies don't know who AJ is. I'm guessing their match at Fastlane will be a stipulation match hopefully a street fight. Jericho is putting AJ over period. And AJ running from Jobbers was not cowardly, it was smart. Showed he didn't want to be the brave face rather a smarter one, perhaps sowing seeds for a heel turn.

Okay, I'm probably giving too much credit to WWE creative but i think it's too soon to speculate that AJ is getting to fandango status.
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AJ's merch sold out within 2 hours of his WWE debut. He isn't treated like a "rookie" in the locker room and it has been said the boys in the back are full of respect for him. I didn't like him running away from those Jobbers but it made sense because he wasn't going to take them all out on his own, this week on smackdown it was justifiable with the help of Y2J.

They won't be giving him the fandango treatment because they are paying around 500-600K which is unheard off for a "rookie" the WWE finally realise the value AJ brings to the company and after his stellar run in the NJPW they made the smart decision to sign him even more so with the Network having released in Japan. AJ also has quite the fan-base in America having established himself as one of the most versatile in-ring workers on the indy scene for 15 years. I think AJ certainly has the potential to be a main-event level star and he can also cut a decent promo to; for him the challenge will be connecting with the casuals because he's already over with the hardcore smarks and you'll see just how much when he performs on PPV's or RAW after mania. On Smackdown the fans were quite receptive to him, I don't think he'll have a problem getting over because if you have gotton over at any point in your career irrespective of the promotion or country it just shows that you have that knack.
 
leatherface58 said:
Did you just call Jericho c class?

He is a 6 time world champion. AJ beat him in the first match he faced him. That's impressive considering the casuals or newbies don't know who AJ is. I'm guessing their match at Fastlane will be a stipulation match hopefully a street fight. Jericho is putting AJ over period. And AJ running from Jobbers was not cowardly, it was smart. Showed he didn't want to be the brave face rather a smarter one, perhaps sowing seeds for a heel turn.

Okay, I'm probably giving too much credit to WWE creative but i think it's too soon to speculate that AJ is getting to fandango status.
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leatherface58 said:
Did you just call Jericho c class?

He is a 6 time world champion. AJ beat him in the first match he faced him. That's impressive considering the casuals or newbies don't know who AJ is. I'm guessing their match at Fastlane will be a stipulation match hopefully a street fight. Jericho is putting AJ over period. And AJ running from Jobbers was not cowardly, it was smart. Showed he didn't want to be the brave face rather a smarter one, perhaps sowing seeds for a heel turn.

Okay, I'm probably giving too much credit to WWE creative but i think it's too soon to speculate that AJ is getting to fandango status.
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A match with Jericho means little in 2016, he puts everyone over. Why do you think most AJ fans want this feud to end at Fastlane? That don't see a Jericho match at WM as a big match..

A loss to him puts you in the midcard/lower mainevent level.

Genuine maineventers like Reigns, Rollins, Cena and Lesnar would NEVER lose a match to him.
 
Aman said:
A match with Jericho means little in 2016, he puts everyone over. Why do you think most AJ fans want this feud to end at Fastlane? That don't see a Jericho match at WM as a big match..

A loss to him puts you in the midcard/lower mainevent level.

Genuine maineventers like Reigns, Rollins, Cena and Lesnar would NEVER lose a match to him.
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Not necessarily Aman, read the above post where I quoted you. They are using AJ to elevate Jericho and regain his momentum and in doing so Styles will benefit. Not everyone is going to walk into the company and get a main-event push straight of the bat, heck Lesnar was buried by Cena in his comeback match after he had left the UFC. And AJ may have quite the rep which will see him fair a lot better then those before him and also because of how over Punk, Bryan got despite being "vanilla midgets". He is also signed to a lucrative contract so it would be silly for him to be limited to the mid card.

It would have been nice if they were building up Jericho in the background until AJ made his debut but since they didn't they are actually using 50/50 booking as a short cut to their advantage and it will work for the reasons I stated earlier. Am not a fan of him losing so early to but what else did you expect? if he was to defeat Jericho again then what would be the point in them having a blow off match? what other alternatives do you have in mind because you feel he should have beaten Jericho on smackdown and then moved on? the alternative would be this; AJ defeating jobbers in a series of squash matches. Everyone else pretty much is injured or has some kind of plan in the works for angles leading to mania
 
No offense Shaz but if AJ is losing matches to Jericho, what chance is there of him beating Reigns (zero), Rollins (zero), Cena (zero), Amrose (likely zero), Wyatt (needs a win, AJ isn't a WWE guy, no doubt a loss will only make AJ look weaker), Lesnar (no chance), Taker (no chance), Ziggler (idk lol, might have him AJ job to him), KO (needs a win, even though he's a heel I can see him beating AJ).

There is no mainevent wrestler or midcard/mainevent wrestler I can see Aj beating. He's a not a WWE guy, and for that he'll never be given a proper push. He's destined to dwell in the midcard.

The best he can hope for is if they split the rosters for Raw and Smackdown, and let AJ somewhat dominate the smaller pond on Smackdown.
 
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I agree with Dashingman, this weeks smackdown was great. Much better than Raw imo.

The commentary and the buildup to a proper feud between AJ and Jericho was great, it had a big match feel for it even though Jericho has been jobbing to everyone lately.

Ideally, Y2J should have won with a roll up. Even if AJ does end up winning at Fastlane, it wouldn't be convincing. He won the first with a roll up (flukey) and Jericho pinned him clean after hitting him with a codebreaker, a win at Fastlane will only give AJ a marginal victory (1-1 and the other being the flukey win).

I'm really hoping AJ hasn't made a big mistake, hopefully he has a get out clause.
 
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Aman said:
No offense Shaz but if AJ is losing matches to Jericho, what chance is there of him beating Reigns (zero), Rollins (zero), Cena (zero), Amrose (likely zero), Wyatt (needs a win, AJ isn't a WWE guy, no doubt a loss will only make AJ look weaker), Lesnar (no chance), Taker (no chance), Ziggler (idk lol, might have him AJ job to him), KO (needs a win, even though he's a heel I can see him beating AJ).

There is no mainevent wrestler or midcard/mainevent wrestler I can see Aj beating. He's a not a WWE guy, and for that he'll never be given a proper push. He's destined to dwell in the midcard.

The best he can hope for is if they split the rosters for Raw and Smackdown, and let AJ somewhat dominate the smaller pond on Smackdown.
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All those guys are busy at the moment or lying in a hospital bed and look how Bryans career started. AJ is already in a better position then him, don't forget what they are paying him as well. AJ is a smart guy, he isn't a mark for the WWE he's a business man first and having negotiated a contract which was better then what NJPW were paying him he simultaneously negotiated a push. He won't let them damage his brand and if you listened to his appearance on Jericho's podcast you'll know how involved the WWE have been in ensuring how he is best presented on TV and AJ has been happy with how things have gone thus far.

They are not going to give him a monster push right of the bat, have patience. But look, AJ has been the centre piece of smackdown for the last two weeks! what does that suggest?
 
Rather see him in promotions where he's a part of their big plans rather than their to make up numbers and job to the WWE guys.
 
shaz619 said:
All those guys are busy at the moment or lying in a hospital bed and look how Bryans career started. AJ is already in a better position then him, don't forget what they are paying him as well. AJ is a smart guy, he isn't a mark for the WWE he's a business man first and having negotiated a contract which was better then what NJPW were paying him he simultaneously negotiated a push. He won't let them damage his brand and if you listened to his appearance on Jericho's podcast you'll know how involved the WWE have been in ensuring how he is best presented on TV and AJ has been happy with how things have gone thus far.

They are not going to give him a monster push right of the bat, have patience. But look, AJ has been the centre piece of smackdown for the last two weeks! what does that suggest?
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Redneck and pitbull, that's the words they're labelling him with.

Like I said, I hope he has a get out clause. I think he'll need it in 8 months time after he's jobbed to every WWE guy.

They're only using him to promote their own talent, there is nothing for AJ to gain from a run in WWE as they'll never give him a fair shake.

Marks dreaming about him mainevning WM next year at Orlanda are dreaming, AJ will never mainevent a PPV in the WWE. Not as long as Vince and HHH are running the show, the pettiest douches in the wrestling business.
 
Aman said:
I agree with Dashingman, this weeks smackdown was great. Much better than Raw imo.

The commentary and the buildup to a proper feud between AJ and Jericho was great, it had a big match feel for it even though Jericho has been jobbing to everyone lately.

Ideally, Y2J should have won with a roll up. Even if AJ does end up winning at Fastlane, it wouldn't be convincing. He won the first with a roll up (flukey) and Jericho pinned him clean after hitting him with a codebreaker, a win at Fastlane will only give AJ a marginal victory (1-1 and the other being the flukey win).

I'm really hoping AJ hasn't made a big mistake, hopefully he has a get out clause.
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Now that's something which could have been done and all you say is justifiable. But they used AJ to restore Jericho's legitimacy and thus making the feud a lot more compelling. When AJ goes over in the blow off match it will be a lot more significant and meaningful
 
Aman said:
Redneck and pitbull, that's the words they're labelling him with.

Like I said, I hope he has a get out clause. I think he'll need it in 8 months time after he's jobbed to every WWE guy.

They're only using him to promote their own talent, there is nothing for AJ to gain from a run in WWE as they'll never give him a fair shake.

Marks dreaming about him mainevning WM next year at Orlanda are dreaming, AJ will never mainevent a PPV in the WWE. Not as long as Vince and HHH are running the show, the pettiest douches in the wrestling business.
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Stone Cold was a redneck to and it's not something to be ashamed off at all in fact it's something which you can use to put the AJ brand over to, pitbull gives him that ruthless edge I don't know what's wrong with that I actually like how that term is being used to put over this character who's going to beat the hell out of you. AJ himself endorsed the vision which was presented to him and he said it is a reflection of who he is.

:)) You're crazy. Trust me, patience. Cream rises to the top. Within a year is just too optimistic, how many years did it take Bryan? How many years did it take Punk before he really got over?
 
AJ doesn't have that time, he's 38. At best he has 2 years before he starts putting everyone over. I reckon it will get to the point where he's working superstars or not even working at all.
 
Shaz give me one main event wrestler you realistically see AJ going over? He won't beat anyone and will hence be irrelevant to the casuals.
 
shaz619 said:
Stone Cold was a redneck to and it's not something to be ashamed off at all in fact it's something which you can use to put the AJ brand over to, pitbull gives him that ruthless edge I don't know what's wrong with that I actually like how that term is being used to put over this character who's going to beat the hell out of you. AJ himself endorsed the vision which was presented to him and he said it is a reflection of who he is.

:)) You're crazy. Trust me, patience. Cream rises to the top. Within a year is just too optimistic, how many years did it take Bryan? How many years did it take Punk before he really got over?
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Was Austin ever called a redneck rookie? Were any weaknesses or flaws pointed out that detracted from him? (AJs height?
 
Getting seriously bad vibes from this... Hopefully NJPW will be still willing to spend big bucks on him a years time. Rather see him putting on classics at WK than putting on short nothing matches at WM.
 
Lmao can you see AJ even going over a heel Orton? Can't even see him going over Wyatt, he's doomed man... He made the biggest mistake of his life. Should have kept wrestling with NJPW and worked the indies, he would have made much more from his merch sales. Although, he could have signed for 3 with the intent of only working 1 and getting out with a bigger following, getting a bigger contract from NJPW and raking it in from merch sales (you get nothing out of WWE merch sales).
 
shaz619 said:
Didn't say Austin is going to wrestle, he's just going to drink beer and stun the hell out of everyone; that would send the crowd home happy then bloody reigns going over hunter :facepalm:

And lmao Bryan steal the belt and run to NJPW :))) I don't think WWE are going to let Bryan wrestle again musa. But Bryan can't do anything because he's under contract with the WWE. Bryan is not ready to retire or accept any backstage role either in the WWE. I think once Bryans contract expires he's going to NJPW and become the new leader of the Bullet Club.
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Ok How about this idea they have Ambrose win at fastlane due to starts interference & then later roman reigns invoke his rematch clause making it a triple threat but Brock Lesnar gets angry & says he wants to fight for the wwe championship title at wrestlemania then Stephanie says you will fight bray wyatt at wrestlmania & the winner of that match will mainevent wrestlemania making it a fatal four way match for the wwe title & then when either bray wyatt or Brock lesnar wins but after the match the winner gets destroyed by the loser badly so that everyone thinks they will not be able to wrestle again & when Ambrose, reigns & HHH are fighting we hear Brock's or bray's music hits (whoever was the winner earlier) & as all four are fighting, more chaos ensues when either wyatt family or Brock interrupts the match & in the end there is no winner & HHH retains by default. I know it's not ideal & there should be a clear winner at wrestlemania mainevent with the fans going home happy but who do you think should win in case a fatal four way does happen?

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[MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] AJ isn't greater than WWE

AJ isn't greater than NJWP

AJ isn't greater than TNA

AJ isn't greater than Lucha Underground

AJ isn't greater than ROH
 
Just finished SMACKDOWN and its so obvious The Wyatts are going to interfere in the main event at FASTLANE and make sure Brock lose again

I thought Brock was going to do something about it after Royal Rumble but then WWE made it look like Brock wasn't bothered by it.

The Storyline is simple, Wyatts screw Brock at Rumble, then they screw Brock at FASTLANE. That means Brock is going to face the Wyatts at Mania 32. Probably 1 against ALL where the Wyatts will get buried obviously.

Dean Ambrose will be pinned by Reigns which will make Reigns the one to face HHH at Mania. Dean will come out in the main event and screw Reigns, making Reigns V Dean at Extreme Rules till Summer Slam.

Meanwhile it will be AJ Styles or Seth Rollins who will challenge HHH for the title after Mania. This also means HHH will be going over at Mania and bury Reigns. Happy Days
 
Aman said:
Was Austin ever called a redneck rookie? Were any weaknesses or flaws pointed out that detracted from him? (AJs height?
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Aman said:
Getting seriously bad vibes from this... Hopefully NJPW will be still willing to spend big bucks on him a years time. Rather see him putting on classics at WK than putting on short nothing matches at WM.
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Aman said:
Lmao can you see AJ even going over a heel Orton? Can't even see him going over Wyatt, he's doomed man... He made the biggest mistake of his life. Should have kept wrestling with NJPW and worked the indies, he would have made much more from his merch sales. Although, he could have signed for 3 with the intent of only working 1 and getting out with a bigger following, getting a bigger contract from NJPW and raking it in from merch sales (you get nothing out of WWE merch sales).
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It's kayfabe! :facepalm: Lawler is playing the role of a heel commentator and as much as he calls AJ a rookie, M.R puts him that much over! he reminds us all of his NJPW prowess being a former IWGP champion the same title which Lesnar one and also a former NWA champion (the most prestigious belt in the history of pro-wrestling).

Very few walk into the WWE with a main-event level push, when you look at what they are paying him and the $$$ his brand will bring in would be incredibly foolish on WWE's part to bury him. Shawn, Flair etc could well into their 40's so don't worry about time although it will be important that they manage his work load but he won't be wrestling the Japanese style which is a lot more risky when it comes to injuries and concussions.
 
shaz619 said:
It's kayfabe! :facepalm: Lawler is playing the role of a heel commentator and as much as he calls AJ a rookie, M.R puts him that much over! he reminds us all of his NJPW prowess being a former IWGP champion the same title which Lesnar one and also a former NWA champion (the most prestigious belt in the history of pro-wrestling).

Very few walk into the WWE with a main-event level push, when you look at what they are paying him and the $$$ his brand will bring in would be incredibly foolish on WWE's part to bury him. Shawn, Flair etc could well into their 40's so don't worry about time although it will be important that they manage his work load but he won't be wrestling the Japanese style which is a lot more risky when it comes to injuries and concussions.
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This is the WWE, they don't care what you've done in the past. They spent big bucks on AJ to build him up then feed him to their creations.

Yes, it's kayfabe but it does little to establish him in the minds of casuals.
 
You don't just make your WWE debut and expect everything to be serve dto you on a silver plate. That would make WWE look stupid and second grade which they aren't. They don't need outsiders, they just happen to do it for the happiness of ******* and to bring some freshness. They never needed Sting, neither do they need AJ Stylez, non eof them have done any favour by joining WWE.

Why would Y2J lose twice in a row to AJ Stylez? Is he a lulloo?

Pro wrestling is 50% fighting 50% selling and Y2J sells just as well as he fights, something you can't claim for AJ as much as you like his high flying moves.
 
When did fan boy got censored? You Pakistanis will censor half the dictionary one day. :facepalm:
 
Aman said:
This is the WWE, they don't care what you've done in the past. They spent big bucks on AJ to build him up then feed him to their creations.

Yes, it's kayfabe but it does little to establish him in the minds of casuals.
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Evidently they did or else they'd not have signed AJ! They realised his value after his career defining performances in NJPW for 2 years there. AJ is just starting out so this theory "build him up and feed him to their creations" lacks substance. Kayfabe is the bread and butter of the business, it's called a storyline arc; AJ himself has acknowledged he has a lot to prove through his performances in the WWE. The WWE know what he is capable of and so does AJ, the heel commies will repeatedly try and put him down but M.R will continuously put him over; the end goal will be AJ getting his kayfabe critics to think "you know what, this guy is special" and the heel commentator criticising him serves a specific purpose "generate sympathy from the casuals who will rally behind him even more". He only just got here and you're expecting them to put him in the main-event of Wrestlemania and have him go over for the WWE title? :)) Be grateful he actually is in the WWE and I guarantee you his brand will be protected, Styles is not stupid and WWE are not either given the value he brings to the company when it comes to his legion of fans in the US and popularity in Japan. Bryan was legitimately buried at the start of his career and even let go at one point; look how that turned out. AJ is no spring chicken but trust me he'll go well into his 40's just like Shawn and Ric he's that damn good and after the injuries which have been taking place they'll be a bit more cautious in managing him
 
freelance_cricketer said:
You don't just make your WWE debut and expect everything to be serve dto you on a silver plate. That would make WWE look stupid and second grade which they aren't. They don't need outsiders, they just happen to do it for the happiness of ******* and to bring some freshness. They never needed Sting, neither do they need AJ Stylez, non eof them have done any favour by joining WWE.

Why would Y2J lose twice in a row to AJ Stylez? Is he a lulloo?

Pro wrestling is 50% fighting 50% selling and Y2J sells just as well as he fights, something you can't claim for AJ as much as you like his high flying moves.
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AJ is a decorated performer on the independent scene, he came through the same system as the likes of CM Punk and Daniel Bryan; throughout his career he has been rated amongst the best in the world and his unique offence established him as one of the greatest in-ring performers of all time (you know you're good when PWI rate you as the best in the world during 2010, the most prestigious award in the industry which the likes of Hogan, Austin, Sting, Benoit, Punk, HHH and Lesnar have won) also watch some of his matches, he is beyond just an innovative high flyer he is incredibly talented at selling and technical wrestling. After he left TNA, the WWE gave him a low ball NXT offer despite his prowess. AJ is a very intelligent man who isn't a mark for the WWE or the industry, he puts his family before everything else. NJPW one of the worlds biggest wrestling promotions would give him an offer which bettered what he was making in TNA, around 450K and in his second year over there it would increase to around 550K.

After his contract ended NJPW offered him an even better deal but....WWE came calling, the same WWE who had offered AJ a low ball NXT rookies deal. Now this time round, AJ had finally won over the respect of the higher ups at WWE and it also helped that AJ got rid of the "TNA guy" label after the stellar performances in NJPW (. In todays WWE system every wrestler has to go through NXT and it is very rare you get to go straight to the roster but they made an exception for AJ. When WWE would come calling again, AJ would never have signed with the WWE if they didn't offer him a better deal then what the NJPW were offering. To get AJ Styles, the WWE would sign him to a contract around 600K and having him go straight to the main-roster. This is unheard of and a first on many levels.

At this stage in AJ's career he had done it all, he didn't need the WWE at all; he was making a more then compatible living in Japan but WWE went out of their way to sign him (AJ would never have signed with the WWE if they didn't beat what NJPW were offering). So why would they do this? They finally put their ego's aside and realised the value AJ's brand brings to the company, in the US he has quite the fanbase and in Japan he is incredibly over with the fans over there; with the WWE Network being released in Japan AJ was an intelligent signing from their end.

I understand what they're doing in terms of the booking when it comes to the feud between AJ and Jericho so I have accepted that. But Aman does have a point, Jericho has been booked like a lullooo for a long time and tends to job nine times out of ten when he returns. WWE don't even build him up any more, they use him as an enhancement talent on the level of Kane and Big Show so [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] point is AJ losing to a guy who is not booked as a serious threat any more hurts his pedigree. And he is correct, ideally it would have been better if Jericho had returned a little earlier and was running through some of the top names in the company to restore his credibility; then if AJ was to lose to a performer who is built up on such a serious level it wouldn't really hurt him.

However, creative have taken a short cut and in recent times have done their best to put Jericho over as the 9 time IC champ and the 6 time world champion; they are using AJ to elevate him and restore his credibility/momentum given how they had been booking all his returns as if he were a nostalgic act or some jobber to the point where Y2J demanded that he will only work house shows. Given how inept creative are and how they didn't build Jericho up before AJ made his debut, I'd still have Jericho go over AJ on smackdown but it would have been via a roll up or heel tactics. Still for the first time in a few years there seems to be direction when it comes to Jericho's return so that can only mean good things for AJ in the long run, I don't think this feud will end at Fast-Lane. Since Jericho has decided to agree to working an angle on the main-roster there has to be something creatively engrossing planned otherwise he'd still be working house shows, I remember when he returned to face Punk at mania that feud was brilliant; hopefully this feud can reach the same level if creative let Jericho do his thing.
 
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[MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] [MENTION=1853]D[/MENTION]azhing_man or anyone else who has been watching - can you please give me a run down as to what's been happening in the build up for Mania?

I watched Rumble last month but haven't really seen anything for the last few weeks. I saw on FaceBook that DB retired and it is Roman V Ambrose V Lesnar at Fastlane with the winner facing H at Mania - right?

Anything else of interest happened since Rumble?


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TalhaSyed said:
[MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] [MENTION=1853]D[/MENTION]azhing_man or anyone else who has been watching - can you please give me a run down as to what's been happening in the build up for Mania?

I watched Rumble last month but haven't really seen anything for the last few weeks. I saw on FaceBook that DB retired and it is Roman V Ambrose V Lesnar at Fastlane with the winner facing H at Mania - right?

Anything else of interest happened since Rumble?


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Charlotte will defend divas title against Mrs Bryan.

AJ Styles will fight Chris Jericho with a loser jobs to cena and winner makes Reigns look strong stipulation.
 
TalhaSyed said:
[MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] [MENTION=1853]D[/MENTION]azhing_man or anyone else who has been watching - can you please give me a run down as to what's been happening in the build up for Mania?

I watched Rumble last month but haven't really seen anything for the last few weeks. I saw on FaceBook that DB retired and it is Roman V Ambrose V Lesnar at Fastlane with the winner facing H at Mania - right?

Anything else of interest happened since Rumble?


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dazing_man :inti

bro, just watch the Rumble, don't come here until you do cuz you might get spoilers. Get outa here
 
dashing_man said:
dazing_man :inti

bro, just watch the Rumble, don't come here until you do cuz you might get spoilers. Get outa here
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Honestly, either you blatantly ignore posts or you're too thick to understand them....but from experience I'd say that you're just too thick. He clearly said that he has watched the Rumble :facepalm: what is wrong with you? what an absolute nimrod
 
TalhaSyed said:
[MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] [MENTION=1853]D[/MENTION]azhing_man or anyone else who has been watching - can you please give me a run down as to what's been happening in the build up for Mania?

I watched Rumble last month but haven't really seen anything for the last few weeks. I saw on FaceBook that DB retired and it is Roman V Ambrose V Lesnar at Fastlane with the winner facing H at Mania - right?

Anything else of interest happened since Rumble?


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Yeah you're right, that has been pretty much the main angle leading into Fast Lane; the winner of that triple threat gets to face HHH.

AJ/Y2J is another top level feud which has been given a decent build, I expect them to have a match at Fast Lane although it hasn't been booked yet. The feud itself has been great and both the matches they had on RAW and Smackdown were superb!

Becky/Sasha v Naomi/Tamina is another match which has been given quite the build, you saw what happened at the Rumble with Sasha attacking Becky but since then; Sasha broke up with Team Bad and then her team mates began to attack her. Becky would help her out and they'd sought of form an alliance but there is still tension between them.

The rest of the card I don't really care about and it seems WWE don't either.

Also, the dudley boys turned heel! which was great because it hurt seeing them used and abused as a nostalgia act when they are capable of so much more. The dudleys buried the table and said that the fans will never get to see another one again :))
 
shaz619 said:
Honestly, either you blatantly ignore posts or you're too thick to understand them....but from experience I'd say that you're just too thick. He clearly said that he has watched the Rumble :facepalm: what is wrong with you? what an absolute nimrod
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can't you tell. I'm dazing man now, obviously there is something wrong with me you fool. Can't you read thick headed nimrod :facepalm:
 
dashing_man said:
can't you tell. I'm dazing man now, obviously there is something wrong with me you fool. Can't you read thick headed nimrod :facepalm:
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You mentally retardeed nimrod, go and see a psychiatrist or get admitted to the mental hospital although there is not much we can do about your lack of intelligence
 
shaz619 said:
You mentally retardeed nimrod, go and see a psychiatrist or get admitted to the mental hospital although there is not much we can do about your lack of intelligence
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I think you need some medical attention asap. You jumping on me when I only misread a post. Are you ok, did you have a bad dream. did someone kicked you in the Little jimmy :irfan
 
dashing_man said:
I think you need some medical attention asap. You jumping on me when I only misread a post. Are you ok, did you have a bad dream. did someone kicked you in the Little jimmy :irfan
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You need to be a bit more serious with yourself, it wasn't that you "misread a post" because this happens to you all the time. You need to acknowledge that you have a serious mental problem and lack of intelligence; seek help brother, you will always bee mentally inept but I don't want you to completely lose it. Am only looking out for you, am concerned about your mental health
 
dashing_man said:
concern for Haroon Gul bro, Umer Gul's cousin needs special attention right now
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I have no clue what on earth you're talking about or what's going on in that weak mind of yours.

Wow, I didn't know your condition was this serious. This guy is a total nut-case :)))
 
Am going to watch Beauty and The Beast now, will check up on you later [MENTION=137419]dashing_man[/MENTION] :))) sssssssh everyone (the guy doesn't know he's in the mental hospital right now)
 
leatherface58 said:
Charlotte will defend divas title against Mrs Bryan.

AJ Styles will fight Chris Jericho with a loser jobs to cena and winner makes Reigns look strong stipulation.[/QUOTE] The sad thing is this is probably true....

In the end, this is what it's all about for the WWE, making their top guys look good.
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Aman said:
leatherface58 said:
Charlotte will defend divas title against Mrs Bryan.

AJ Styles will fight Chris Jericho with a loser jobs to cena and winner makes Reigns look strong stipulation.[/QUOTE] The sad thing is this is probably true....

In the end, this is what it's all about for the WWE, making their top guys look good.
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That's why there's a lower card, a mid-card, upper mid card and main-event. The upper mid card guys have to make the main-event guys look strong.
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TalhaSyed said:
[MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] [MENTION=1853]D[/MENTION]azhing_man or anyone else who has been watching - can you please give me a run down as to what's been happening in the build up for Mania?

I watched Rumble last month but haven't really seen anything for the last few weeks. I saw on FaceBook that DB retired and it is Roman V Ambrose V Lesnar at Fastlane with the winner facing H at Mania - right?

Anything else of interest happened since Rumble?


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Welcome back bro, great to see you back! :D



Seems you haven't missed too much, there hasn't been much too interesting happening apart from maybe what LF mentioned.
 
shaz619 said:
It's too long man, cba watching these video's. Just describe what happens
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Stardust intervenes Stephen Amell at the Dallas Comic Con, sits down with him. Out comes heel wife Brandi :)))

Brandi also brings Amell Slammy Award. Star Dust issues a one on one match at Mania, Amell accepts. Star Dust makes jokes on Fan questions and Amell. Signs the award, Amell signs too. Just as Stardust is about to leave he throws a cup of water at Amell's face. Then Brandi stands up and throws another cup on Amell's face :))) :))) #heelWife
 
[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] even then they booked to be below Reigns and Cena, with Punk not maineventing a number of PPVs when he was champion and both Punk and Bryan losing to Reigns.
 
Aman said:
[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] even then they booked to be below Reigns and Cena, with Punk not maineventing a number of PPVs when he was champion and both Punk and Bryan losing to Reigns.
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Punk never lost to Reigns he beat the shield in a handicap match and Bryan's career was kind of done when he put Reigns over
 
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