The Wrestling Discussion Thread

[shaz619]

Can't wait for Goldberg return

He should come out like that but with the SWAT team and their shields or Army Soliders (who are there to protect the fans in the audience and Lesnar to, emphasises the intimidation factor) that would be quiet the sight They should aim their guns towards Goldberg as well

 

[Hasan123]

He should come out like that but with the SWAT team and their shields or Army Soliders (who are there to protect the fans in the audience and Lesnar to, emphasises the intimidation factor) that would be quiet the sight They should aim their guns towards Goldberg as well

He does need to do something to show that we can take him serious. I think he will suprise a few in this run he will have in wwe

 

[shaz619]

He does need to do something to show that we can take him serious. I think he will suprise a few in this run he will have in wwe

He'd only be surprising the narrow minded pessimists who crap all over 99% of anything the WWE does regardless

 

[Hasan123]

He'd only be surprising the narrow minded pessimists who crap all over 99% of anything the WWE does regardless

Also the ones who want there personal favourites to be pushed.

 

[shaz619]

Also the ones who want there personal favourites to be pushed.

Bit like some pakistan fans ai

 

[shaz619]

Epic return! the original "THE MAN" "THE MYTH" GOLDBERG!

Crowd went bezerk, fantastic promo by Goldberg who was visibly shook by the fan response. His last run in the WWE felt like he had to do it but he was enjoying himself here and the intensity was all there, he legit cut a worked shoot promo at the start and then the Goldberg character took over. I don't think Bill himself realises just how over he is, just an example his DVD WWE released in 2013 is amongst the best selling in history for the promotion.

He's been out 12 years so I don't expect much from him in the ring but he has kept himself in decent shape so that will be useful in the ring, either way I want to THE MAN wrestle again and so will a big portion of fans, old school fans, casuals and even those who've not watched wrestling in the 2000's! trust me I have friends who've been excited by his return despite rarely watching the product.

Anyhow, Lesnar matches are not booked beyond 15 minutes and he rarely bumps as much or does more then a couple of moves so am expecting an action packed match with a really fast pace which will include many signatures/finishers whilst the foundations will be built on strikes and submissions. Match could happen at Survivor Series or the Royal Rumble where the WWE needs to sell out the 60,000+ capacity stadium.

 

[shaz619]

The return of Goldberg led to RAW making big gains in the 18 – 49 demographic rating and viewership this week. Monday’s episode brought in a 1.19 demo rating with 3.13 million viewers. Those are up an impressive 26% and 13% from last week’s 0.94 demo rating and 2.759 million viewers. The metrics mark the best rating the show has had since the August 23rd episode brought in a 1.25 and the best viewership since the August 30th episode had 3.413 million. It’s also the first time the show has had over three million viewers since September 5th

 

[TalhaSyed]

Epic return! the original "THE MAN" "THE MYTH" GOLDBERG!

Crowd went bezerk, fantastic promo by Goldberg who was visibly shook by the fan response. His last run in the WWE felt like he had to do it but he was enjoying himself here and the intensity was all there, he legit cut a worked shoot promo at the start and then the Goldberg character took over. I don't think Bill himself realises just how over he is, just an example his DVD WWE released in 2013 is amongst the best selling in history for the promotion.

He's been out 12 years so I don't expect much from him in the ring but he has kept himself in decent shape so that will be useful in the ring, either way I want to THE MAN wrestle again and so will a big portion of fans, old school fans, casuals and even those who've not watched wrestling in the 2000's! trust me I have friends who've been excited by his return despite rarely watching the product.

Anyhow, Lesnar matches are not booked beyond 15 minutes and he rarely bumps as much or does more then a couple of moves so am expecting an action packed match with a really fast pace which will include many signatures/finishers whilst the foundations will be built on strikes and submissions. Match could happen at Survivor Series or the Royal Rumble where the WWE needs to sell out the 60,000+ capacity stadium.

Yup - Goldberg was visually over whelmed when coming down the ramp and when he got in the ring.

The reaction was immense and one of the biggest pops I can recall for a return, since The Rock came back to host Mania, or Brock's return & deservedly so. Was fantastic to see! Lets see how he gets on in the ring, however, he managed to pull off a pretty decent promo on the mic - something he isn't very well known for.

I think rumble will sell out, solely for the Royal Rumble match. I'm fairly certain this match will be at Survivor Series, to help boost sales there. Having said that - I wouldn't be surprised to see Goldberg have a match at Mania next year & have a type of contract that Sting had.

Goldberg can put over THE REAL MAN - Roman Reigns - at Mania!!

 

[Rana]

MAYBE

Goldberg should have his final match with Lesnar at WM instead of Survivor Series.

Please Goldberg, you look to good for a 49 year old and if Taker can Wrestle every year with his physical state then GB can do more

 

[Rana]

I want Lesnar to cut a serious, below the belt promo next week on Raw. Go all out! the way he told Heath Slater. No Paul Heyman promo please, its getting boring now. Its time Lesnar speaks because its the biggest scar on his illustrious career, the loss to Goldberg, genuinely the best and most powerfully booked character to dominate against a physically superior specimen as Lesnar.

Then I want GB to come out in a rage....the rest will be history!

 

[Rana]

Oh how badly have i waited for one more devestating Jack Hammer!

 

[shaz619]

Yup - Goldberg was visually over whelmed when coming down the ramp and when he got in the ring.

The reaction was immense and one of the biggest pops I can recall for a return, since The Rock came back to host Mania, or Brock's return & deservedly so. Was fantastic to see! Lets see how he gets on in the ring, however, he managed to pull off a pretty decent promo on the mic - something he isn't very well known for.

I think rumble will sell out, solely for the Royal Rumble match. I'm fairly certain this match will be at Survivor Series, to help boost sales there. Having said that - I wouldn't be surprised to see Goldberg have a match at Mania next year & have a type of contract that Sting had.

Goldberg can put over THE REAL MAN - Roman Reigns - at Mania!!

It was a fantastic comeback, I think Bill himself doesn't realise how huge he is; a corner stone of the attitude era and Monday Night Wars. It's a myth that he's not known for his mic skills it's just that he didn't talk much when he first came to WCW to add mystique to his character but once his streak ended he use to cut promos often and they were all pretty good, here's one of them:

He's also quiet busy as an actor and frequently features in DVD releases and has done some movies to so directors appreciate his ability. Yeah you're right, I think Survivor Series is likely to but with 60,000+ stadium you never really know in this era but the Royal Rumble match is a big draw no doubt.

They call Seth Rollins The Real Man now I think but it all originated from when Goldberg first had his run in pro-wrestling it was his thing similar to the Rock's " the great one" Goldberg was "the man" and "myth". Out of all the top stars I only see Cena putting over Reigns and the Rock as well who wants to help his cousin out, Cena is on SD now though.

If Goldberg were to have another match at mania who'd you want him to face besides your bae

 

[shaz619]

I want Lesnar to cut a serious, below the belt promo next week on Raw. Go all out! the way he told Heath Slater. No Paul Heyman promo please, its getting boring now. Its time Lesnar speaks because its the biggest scar on his illustrious career, the loss to Goldberg, genuinely the best and most powerfully booked character to dominate against a physically superior specimen as Lesnar.

Then I want GB to come out in a rage....the rest will be history!

Oh how badly have i waited for one more devestating Jack Hammer!

You know how Goldberg makes his entrance with police officers who are there to protect the audience? I think when Goldberg confronts Lesnar the authority should use the SWAT team who point guns at Goldberg to stop him from getting to Lesnar, that would just magnify the intimidation factor. They have plenty of material for a below the belt promo you'll see Heyman shoot on Goldberg about going sawwft etc with the kiddies and not really wanting to fight, you're right Lesnar should also talk and tbh his mic skills are no where near as bad as people make out, just listen to the guy during his UFC interviews and early 2000's smackdown promos they were all good, if Lesnar speaks it will make it more personal.

I got to see ONE MORE SPEAK!!!!!!! no one can do a spear like Goldberg, he got that move over

 

[shaz619]

MAYBE

Goldberg should have his final match with Lesnar at WM instead of Survivor Series.

Please Goldberg, you look to good for a 49 year old and if Taker can Wrestle every year with his physical state then GB can do more

Naw they had a match at mania already and Survivor Series is a prestigious PPV anyway, at least Taker has been a lot more active then Goldberg so it's not as easy as you think it will be for Goldberg who has been out for 12 years but the guy is an athlete and I expect a decent match between Lesnar/Goldberg, nothing special but decent. Also, Taker has been struggling big time himself the guy is using crutches now....

What I've always wanted to see was Goldberg vs Undertaker but with the two being ring rusty not sure WWE will put them in the ring together, AJ Styles vs Goldberg or Samoa Joe vs Goldberg or Nakamura vs Goldberg could all be brilliant matches

 

[The King of Kings]

Naw they had a match at mania already and Survivor Series is a prestigious PPV anyway, at least Taker has been a lot more active then Goldberg so it's not as easy as you think it will be for Goldberg who has been out for 12 years but the guy is an athlete and I expect a decent match between Lesnar/Goldberg, nothing special but decent. Also, Taker has been struggling big time himself the guy is using crutches now....

What I've always wanted to see was Goldberg vs Undertaker but with the two being ring rusty not sure WWE will put them in the ring together, AJ Styles vs Goldberg or Samoa Joe vs Goldberg or Nakamura vs Goldberg could all be brilliant matches

this is what will happen at SS, Brock hitting 5th F-5 on berg, then rolls him over to pin

*DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNGG*

Taker comes out with ref shirt, Chokeslams the Robinson, kicks Brock in the nuts, kicks Goldberg in the nuts, puts berg over Brock, pins 1-2.......breaks the pin, declares as official that this now is a triple threat match...puts his hand over both berg and Brock who are still rolling in pain...pins 1-2-3 and

Taker now has defeated Brock brutal run and berg

 

[Hasan123]

Hearing rumours that AJ wants to and could face Shawn at the Royal Rumble.

 

[shaz619]

Hearing rumours that AJ wants to and could face Shawn at the Royal Rumble.

I wish! They're just teasing us AJ's idol and hero is Shawn someone he aspires to be. I think you can't top leaving wrestling in the main event of mania, that too vs Taker plus it was retirement match and shawn has too much respect for Taker which is why he"ll remain Shawns final opponent

Still expect HBK to appear at the Rumble though he has to with 60K+ needed in Shawns hometown and in an arena he helped sell out in the past

 

[Hasan123]

I wish! They're just teasing us AJ's idol and hero is Shawn someone he aspires to be. I think you can't top leaving wrestling in the main event of mania, that too vs Taker plus it was retirement match and shawn has too much respect for Taker which is why he"ll remain Shawns final opponent

Still expect HBK to appear at the Rumble though he has to with 60K+ needed in Shawns hometown and in an arena he helped sell out in the past

Look at AJ's twitter loooool.

I don't mind the match if Shawn is upto it but I don't think Shawn will return to loss one match because let's be honest no way is he gonna beat aj. Shawn mentioned on the chris jericho or steve austin podcast that he doesn't miss wrestling that much and he got out at the right time.

If it's in his home town there is no reason why wwe wouldn't try to include him in the even. In what role I'm not sure as it certainly won't be a wrestling one.

 

[leatherface58]

AJ would do well to beat James Ellsworth first. What a jobber

 

[TalhaSyed]

It was a fantastic comeback, I think Bill himself doesn't realise how huge he is; a corner stone of the attitude era and Monday Night Wars. It's a myth that he's not known for his mic skills it's just that he didn't talk much when he first came to WCW to add mystique to his character but once his streak ended he use to cut promos often and they were all pretty good, here's one of them:

He's also quiet busy as an actor and frequently features in DVD releases and has done some movies to so directors appreciate his ability. Yeah you're right, I think Survivor Series is likely to but with 60,000+ stadium you never really know in this era but the Royal Rumble match is a big draw no doubt.

They call Seth Rollins The Real Man now I think but it all originated from when Goldberg first had his run in pro-wrestling it was his thing similar to the Rock's " the great one" Goldberg was "the man" and "myth". Out of all the top stars I only see Cena putting over Reigns and the Rock as well who wants to help his cousin out, Cena is on SD now though.

If Goldberg were to have another match at mania who'd you want him to face besides your bae

Goldberg: The Man
Seth: The Real Man
Reigns: The Realist of Men!!




That's a god question!

In all seriousness - Im not sure. Reigns is a contender. Taker is another one. Super Cena maybe?

In my eyes Goldberg is like Brock. If you put someone like AJ in front of Goldberg it will be like putting someone like D Bry in front of Brock. AJ & D Bry are brilliant wrestlers, however, Brock & Goldberg are just beasts, and them competing with one of the 'smaller guys' could be considerably tricky and hard to sell.

IMO at Mania if Goldberg is to have a Mania match I can see it going 1 of 2 ways:

1) Roman VS Goldberg - if WWE wants Goldberg to put Roman over
2) Cena VS Goldber - if WWE wants to do something like a 'dream match you never thought you'd see'

A curve ball which WWE could throw is Bray VS Goldberg I guess, if they wanna give Bray a push. I can see it now - the Wyatt family ambushing Goldberg and Wyatt cutting a promo along the lines of "You think you are unbeatable Bill? You went 173 matches without being defeated but that's because you never had to compete with the eater of worlds!"

 

[shaz619]

Goldberg: The Man
Seth: The Real Man
Reigns: The Realist of Men!!




That's a god question!

In all seriousness - Im not sure. Reigns is a contender. Taker is another one. Super Cena maybe?

In my eyes Goldberg is like Brock. If you put someone like AJ in front of Goldberg it will be like putting someone like D Bry in front of Brock. AJ & D Bry are brilliant wrestlers, however, Brock & Goldberg are just beasts, and them competing with one of the 'smaller guys' could be considerably tricky and hard to sell.

IMO at Mania if Goldberg is to have a Mania match I can see it going 1 of 2 ways:

1) Roman VS Goldberg - if WWE wants Goldberg to put Roman over
2) Cena VS Goldber - if WWE wants to do something like a 'dream match you never thought you'd see'

A curve ball which WWE could throw is Bray VS Goldberg I guess, if they wanna give Bray a push. I can see it now - the Wyatt family ambushing Goldberg and Wyatt cutting a promo along the lines of "You think you are unbeatable Bill? You went 173 matches without being defeated but that's because you never had to compete with the eater of worlds!"

We're in an era now where no one holds those stereotypical views on the size/look of wrestlers or else guys like AJ, Bryan, Seth and KO wouldn't get a main-event push, there's a big emphasis on the quality of in-ring work and big demand for it, if look was all it took life would be a lot more easier for Reigns but WWE have been forced to press the pause button on their investment in him due to him not connecting with the fans.

Goldberg v Styles would sell itself, Styles has the most momentum in the E right now and widely regarded as the best on the planet; the other thing, Styles is probably the best equipped to get a decent match out of Goldberg. Styles make matches (pun intended) and pitting Goldberg/Reigns could be a big dud like HHH/Reigns which was arguably the worst WM main-event in history, that's not a huge knock on Reigns but HHH as the senior man failed to utilize his years of experience and the general booking of the match was poor, in that scenario with so many hostile views towards Reigns you want to make him look strong and hide his weaknesses but the opposite happened and the move back-fired, HHH putting over Reigns did nothing for him in the end and I think Reigns going over Goldberg would be a really bad booking move unless they plan to turn him heel, besides I would be shocked if Goldberg would want to put Reigns over.

The other thing, having Goldberg on the PPV is a big sell in itself and the Mania PPV is a big draw in itself, otherwise last year Lesnar wouldn't have faced someone like Ambrose who's star power doesn't match his, I don't think it's necessary to put two stars that are really popular in the ring together or those with similar in-ring styles.

Something about Goldberg v Cena just doesn't tick for me, Goldberg v Taker is a genuine dream match though but the problem is that maybe they won't stick two ring rusty guys in the ring, in the past they may have but the quality of in-ring work is important in this era. Goldberg v Bray is not a bad idea but Bray would have to lose and his stock is already damaged severely.

My top three Goldberg matches are these though after Lesnar:

Goldberg v Taker
Goldberg v Styles
Goldberg v Reigns

Anyhow I don't think Reigns or Styles would be damaged much in a gracious defeat to Goldberg, the only issue with Reigns is that they'd have to make sure they book the match expertly so his weaknesses are concealed. They'd have to keep the match at max 15 minute maybe even less and full of action and a fast pace which may be a little difficult to orchestrate with two big dudes and one of them being quiet old/rusty, there'd have to be a real flow to it with a great finishing stretch.

 

[TalhaSyed]

We're in an era now where no one holds those stereotypical views on the size/look of wrestlers or else guys like AJ, Bryan, Seth and KO wouldn't get a main-event push, there's a big emphasis on the quality of in-ring work and big demand for it, if look was all it took life would be a lot more easier for Reigns but WWE have been forced to press the pause button on their investment in him due to him not connecting with the fans.

Goldberg v Styles would sell itself, Styles has the most momentum in the E right now and widely regarded as the best on the planet; the other thing, Styles is probably the best equipped to get a decent match out of Goldberg. Styles make matches (pun intended) and pitting Goldberg/Reigns could be a big dud like HHH/Reigns which was arguably the worst WM main-event in history, that's not a huge knock on Reigns but HHH as the senior man failed to utilize his years of experience and the general booking of the match was poor, in that scenario with so many hostile views towards Reigns you want to make him look strong and hide his weaknesses but the opposite happened and the move back-fired, HHH putting over Reigns did nothing for him in the end and I think Reigns going over Goldberg would be a really bad booking move unless they plan to turn him heel, besides I would be shocked if Goldberg would want to put Reigns over.

The other thing, having Goldberg on the PPV is a big sell in itself and the Mania PPV is a big draw in itself, otherwise last year Lesnar wouldn't have faced someone like Ambrose who's star power doesn't match his, I don't think it's necessary to put two stars that are really popular in the ring together or those with similar in-ring styles.

Something about Goldberg v Cena just doesn't tick for me, Goldberg v Taker is a genuine dream match though but the problem is that maybe they won't stick two ring rusty guys in the ring, in the past they may have but the quality of in-ring work is important in this era. Goldberg v Bray is not a bad idea but Bray would have to lose and his stock is already damaged severely.

My top three Goldberg matches are these though after Lesnar:

Goldberg v Taker
Goldberg v Styles
Goldberg v Reigns

Anyhow I don't think Reigns or Styles would be damaged much in a gracious defeat to Goldberg, the only issue with Reigns is that they'd have to make sure they book the match expertly so his weaknesses are concealed. They'd have to keep the match at max 15 minute maybe even less and full of action and a fast pace which may be a little difficult to orchestrate with two big dudes and one of them being quiet old/rusty, there'd have to be a real flow to it with a great finishing stretch.

Yea I think for me my first pick would be Taker v Goldberg.

I wouldn't mind Goldberg v Cena and ofcours Roman beating Goldberg will be a dream match

 

[shaz619]

Yea I think for me my first pick would be Taker v Goldberg.

I wouldn't mind Goldberg v Cena and ofcours Roman beating Goldberg will be a dream match

They could probably sell either match so long the feud is good, that would be another career suicide for your bae. If he were to turn heel It would be a good move as Goldberg is so popular but they are probably saving The Rock to job to his cousin

Still surreal that Goldberg is back was watching his promo again, will you be paying your 9.99 for Survivor Series

 

[TalhaSyed]

They could probably sell either match so long the feud is good, that would be another career suicide for your bae. If he were to turn heel It would be a good move as Goldberg is so popular but they are probably saving The Rock to job to his cousin

Still surreal that Goldberg is back was watching his promo again, will you be paying your 9.99 for Survivor Series

See I have an issue with The Rock putting Roman over. The reason for this is that the only reason I am a Roman fan is because I always was and still am a MASSIVE Rock fan. He's always been my favourite - ever since baby Tallu was 8 years old and walking around in his Rock T-Shirt, baseball cap and sunglasses telling jabronis to "Just Bring It!!"

Yea man Im a full time subscribed member of the Network!! 9.99 well spent for JBL with Legends, Table for Three, Ride Along, Monday Night Wars & many many more brilliant shows!

 

[Rana]

As expeted, the brand split has just made wrestling so poor and un-entertaining. Absolutely nothing to look forward to even though its Hell In a Cell tonight. Tired of this WWE!

If they really want both shows to sell then they must take a leaf out of what they were doing in 1999 to 2004. they must give Smackdown the same importance as RAW by not splitting stars, rather they must build on the story lines the way the Rock was continuing feuds with DX and McMahon on Smackdown. No point of making Smackdown a dark show!

enough of this rubbish. Wrestling has died in the lasr 5 years!

 

[shaz619]

As expeted, the brand split has just made wrestling so poor and un-entertaining. Absolutely nothing to look forward to even though its Hell In a Cell tonight. Tired of this WWE!

If they really want both shows to sell then they must take a leaf out of what they were doing in 1999 to 2004. they must give Smackdown the same importance as RAW by not splitting stars, rather they must build on the story lines the way the Rock was continuing feuds with DX and McMahon on Smackdown. No point of making Smackdown a dark show!

enough of this rubbish. Wrestling has died in the lasr 5 years!

RAW has been awful, Smackdown has been absolutely superb! and has actually benefited from the brand split

RAW got all the talent and resources but is let down by bad booking and poor creative control.

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=136729]Suleiman[/MENTION] thanks for the advice before, you reminded me of the main-eventer I am and needed that steel chair shot to the head. Generated a positive result for the first time in a long long time, not waiting for 2 months advice was key in addition to combining the rock+mankind methods. iA I remain committed and things work out

 

[Suleiman]

[MENTION=136729]Suleiman[/MENTION] thanks for the advice before, you reminded me of the main-eventer I am and needed that steel chair shot to the head. Generated a positive result for the first time in a long long time, not waiting for 2 months advice was key in addition to combining the rock+mankind methods. iA I remain committed and things work out

BAH GAWWD

mA, that's bloody awesome. See this is what I was trying to say. It's totally worth getting pinned match after match, thrown off the steel cage, put through the table, because eventually as you learn and gain experience, it will be you doing the pin and the rock bottom through the table and winning the title which is all that matters anyway.

 

[shaz619]

BAH GAWWD

mA, that's bloody awesome. See this is what I was trying to say. It's totally worth getting pinned match after match, thrown off the steel cage, put through the table, because eventually as you learn and gain experience, it will be you doing the pin and the rock bottom through the table and winning the title which is all that matters anyway.

Over a period of time I came to develop this idea that the more effort you put in the less reaction you'll get especially when little attention is being paid to you so I'd take breaks after damaging me ego then going for a super kick but I think effort is certainly proportional to results even when the odds are against you so key is to pay your dues, never give up and go all out! hard work pays off as it did for Mankind:

 

[Suleiman]

Over a period of time I came to develop this idea that the more effort you put in the less reaction you'll get especially when little attention is being paid to you so I'd take breaks after damaging me ego then going for a super kick but I think effort is certainly proportional to results even when the odds are against you so key is to pay your dues, never give up and go all out! hard work pays off as it did for Mankind:

Yeah took me way too long to realize that your ego is your biggest enemy in all of this. Not the championship belt you oh so badly want, not the spectators, but your own ego that holds you back out of fear of failure if you "lose" the match. Leaving your ego at the door, or the locker room hehe, is the best thing you can do as then you just want to go and enjoy the moment regardless of the outcome.

Results will come regardless as long as you keep at it. You will be the punching bag or the henchman for only so long before becoming the main event Doesn't matter which gimmick you use as Mankind, Mick Foley or Cactus Jack, in the big picture, they're all one.

 

[shaz619]

Yeah took me way too long to realize that your ego is your biggest enemy in all of this. Not the championship belt you oh so badly want, not the spectators, but your own ego that holds you back out of fear of failure if you "lose" the match. Leaving your ego at the door, or the locker room hehe, is the best thing you can do as then you just want to go and enjoy the moment regardless of the outcome.

Results will come regardless as long as you keep at it. You will be the punching bag or the henchman for only so long before becoming the main event Doesn't matter which gimmick you use as Mankind, Mick Foley or Cactus Jack, in the big picture, they're all one.

You know even though I've wanted that championship so bad! I would hold back for months before going for a rock bottom, I think when you don't go for the rock bottom often enough the WWE Champion would probably develop this idea "Does he really care about my championship as much as he says he does" I think the mankind method and effort consistently would indicate that.

How have your championship prospects been like

 

[Suleiman]

You know even though I've wanted that championship so bad! I would hold back for months before going for a rock bottom, I think when you don't go for the rock bottom often enough the WWE Champion would probably develop this idea "Does he really care about my championship as much as he says he does" I think the mankind method and effort consistently would indicate that.

How have your championship prospects been like

Yeah there's pretty much 2 ways to go about it, one is the way you are opting, playing it safer and going for 1 championship belt, saving your energy for one big rock bottom and pin. The other way is going for multiple championship belts, failing to win a few and actually winning others. I use the latter but there's no right or wrong way. I guess I prefer it because I'm busier irl, so don't really have the time to fully invest myself in just 1 championship belt, have to keep my options open.

I guess I try not to get too attached to one championship, otherwise it makes me needy and much more likely to lose. But recently I failed to win this particular championship 2 months back, but now am getting signals that it might be worth another shot, may try in next few days let's see how it goes.

 

[shaz619]

Yeah there's pretty much 2 ways to go about it, one is the way you are opting, playing it safer and going for 1 championship belt, saving your energy for one big rock bottom and pin. The other way is going for multiple championship belts, failing to win a few and actually winning others. I use the latter but there's no right or wrong way. I guess I prefer it because I'm busier irl, so don't really have the time to fully invest myself in just 1 championship belt, have to keep my options open.

I guess I try not to get too attached to one championship, otherwise it makes me needy and much more likely to lose. But recently I failed to win this particular championship 2 months back, but now am getting signals that it might be worth another shot, may try in next few days let's see how it goes.

It's probably better going for multiple championships tbh you're also more likely to succeed and as you say won't be so invested in a particular title and that can work in your favor from a tactical point of view and it cancels out potential errors you can make. It's probably best I make use of a similar strategy but this title in particular is quiet prestigious so the other strategy is on hold currently.

There's no such thing as failure when it comes to Suli bhai! you will give it one shot, two shot and maybe 10 shots if required but you'll get there

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=95766]leatherface58[/MENTION] Sasha/Charlotte was an excellent match, incredibly brutal and very physical when you look at some of the spots and bumps. Was surprised Sasha was on the receiving end given that it has been said her body is quiet banged up from her body of work. It was a great match, only criticism the finish and no one bought Charlotte winning with the natural selection. They could have done a basic move to snap that table at the end and have Charlotte hit a third natural selection on some chairs to put Sasha away who finally is unable to kick out after surviving a couple of very near falls, it would her toughness over and come out looking good in the loss.

No issues with Charlotte winning, there is more money/fire in the face chasing the title and she'll get her big moment at mania and it will hopefully result in a lengthy reign to.

 

[shaz619]

My worst fear has come true, KO has turned into a Seth Rollins 2.2; the booking team have destroyed his character and made him under chicken sh!t heel who is an authority stooge; HHH has done more damage then good by making it all about him constantly. In NXT and KO's early main roster career he was this unique/refreshing prize-fighter, now he's a shadow with little credibility as champion.

 

[Muhammad10]

Tim Wiese: Bundesliga 'bad guy' set for WWE wrestling debut

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/37824058
Who's looking forward to this new heel?

 

[leatherface58]

[MENTION=95766]leatherface58[/MENTION] Sasha/Charlotte was an excellent match, incredibly brutal and very physical when you look at some of the spots and bumps. Was surprised Sasha was on the receiving end given that it has been said her body is quiet banged up from her body of work. It was a great match, only criticism the finish and no one bought Charlotte winning with the natural selection. They could have done a basic move to snap that table at the end and have Charlotte hit a third natural selection on some chairs to put Sasha away who finally is unable to kick out after surviving a couple of very near falls, it would her toughness over and come out looking good in the loss.

No issues with Charlotte winning, there is more money/fire in the face chasing the title and she'll get her big moment at mania and it will hopefully result in a lengthy reign to.

Sasha's issues are that she keeps taking bumps on her head. The neck injuries are gonna pile up and she is gonna be gone by the age of 30 if this continues.

 

[shaz619]

Sasha's issues are that she keeps taking bumps on her head. The neck injuries are gonna pile up and she is gonna be gone by the age of 30 if this continues.

Those bumps were taken safely and I quiet enjoyed them so am not going to complain about the spots but I was surprised the booking team allowed her to take those bumps given that she has accumulated this reputation for working a very physical/fragile style. Also, I recall you worshipping HHH the moment KO became champ; but have been conviniently silent ever since the mans character/gimmick has been completely destroyed. The only reason I was remotely interested in the Seth/Sethv2.2 angle was due to one man CHRIS JERICHO

 

[leatherface58]

Those bumps were taken safely and I quiet enjoyed them so am not going to complain about the spots but I was surprised the booking team allowed her to take those bumps given that she has accumulated this reputation for working a very physical/fragile style. Also, I recall you worshipping HHH the moment KO became champ; but have been conviniently silent ever since the mans character/gimmick has been completely destroyed. The only reason I was remotely interested in the Seth/Sethv2.2 angle was due to one man CHRIS JERICHO

HHH is the man, the king of kings bro. First ballot hall of famer and bane of existence of marks like you. But Raw booking has been utter tripe and can kill any storyline. They still have not revealed why Sethy poo got betrayed by The Game.

Meanwhile, in HIAC, much of Jericho's interference failed and KO ultimately had to finish Rollins off so in that way, I liked the match. That said, although I like Charlotte a lot, her beating Sasha was a mistake and devalues the title.

 

[shaz619]

HHH is the man, the king of kings bro. First ballot hall of famer and bane of existence of marks like you. But Raw booking has been utter tripe and can kill any storyline. They still have not revealed why Sethy poo got betrayed by The Game.

Meanwhile, in HIAC, much of Jericho's interference failed and KO ultimately had to finish Rollins off so in that way, I liked the match. That said, although I like Charlotte a lot, her beating Sasha was a mistake and devalues the title.

HHH is an absolute disgrace and an insult to the industry, quiet frankly the WWE would be better off once he's dead. You give him all the credit in the world but refuse to criticise him for the very thing he orchestrated in your words which was KO winning the title, literally handing him the belt making him another authority stooge, destroying his prize fighter gimmick, making him a Seth V 2.2 and another stale chicken sh!t heel. 99% of the bad booking on RAW is all of HHH's fault, the other 1% being Vince.

I rather just have Jericho as the champion given that they're hell bent on ruining Kevin Owens. Title changes happened frequently in the Attitude era but you smarks never cried then. In the long run it doesn't matter, there is more fire in the baby face chasing the title; Sasha will get her moment and big title run soon enough; it will begin at mania. The womens title is more prestigious then it has ever been in the 2000's.

 

[leatherface58]

HHH is an absolute disgrace and an insult to the industry, quiet frankly the WWE would be better off once he's dead. You give him all the credit in the world but refuse to criticise him for the very thing he orchestrated in your words which was KO winning the title, literally handing him the belt making him another authority stooge, destroying his prize fighter gimmick, making him a Seth V 2.2 and another stale chicken sh!t heel. 99% of the bad booking on RAW is all of HHH's fault, the other 1% being Vince.

I rather just have Jericho as the champion given that they're hell bent on ruining Kevin Owens. Title changes happened frequently in the Attitude era but you smarks never cried then. In the long run it doesn't matter, there is more fire in the baby face chasing the title; Sasha will get her moment and big title run soon enough; it will begin at mania. The womens title is more prestigious then it has ever been in the 2000's.

Spoken like a true mark. Based Haitch is the GOAT and there is nothing you can do about it. Was he the biggest draw? No. Was he the best wrestler? No. But through his smarts, he has cemented his legacy. I hate him for his reign of terror but by God, your marky hatred for him almost makes me enjoy the reign of terror (No. Actually No).

WWE does not know how to book strong heel champions. They either book them too weak or too strong like Charlotte. And my problem is not the frequent title changes, you mark. My problem is the hot potato played between Charlotte and Sasha. This feud should have been OVAH and Sasha the champ should have feuded with someone else maybe Nia/Bayley. Instead, they are gonna keep pushing these two and then cry that Nia and Bayley aren't ready when they are not building them up at all.

 

[shaz619]

Me and the SQUAD burying [MENTION=95766]leatherface58[/MENTION]

 

[shaz619]

Taker is scheduled to appear on the 900th episode of Smackdown on the SurvivorSeries go home show. It may be a one off where he chokeslams someone and gives them a piledriver BUT I think it is also very possible he begins his Wrestlemania angle.

These are the matches which remain a possibility:

Undertaker vs John Cena (probably the favourite)
Undertaker vs AJ Styles (my dream match)
Undertaker vs Kane (God please know ) [MENTION=95766]leatherface58[/MENTION] )

Anyhow reading the dirt sheets many indicate that Undertaker will not be retiring anytime soon, it could also be the case where he walks off into the sunset silently but he deserves a bigger send off; in the end it all depends on what Taker wants. I think personally Mark is done but he's just too loyal to Vince who also has a sentimental attachment to the Undertaker and can't seem to let him go.

 

[shaz619]

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/37824058
Who's looking forward to this new heel?

He looked seriously good in his debut when you look at the number of years he had been training, his work was very fluid and had a snap to it; you couldn't tell he was starting out, has potential; hopefully he gets the correct character and doesn't become another stereotypical foreign heel

 

[Muhammad10]

He looked seriously good in his debut when you look at the number of years he had been training, his work was very fluid and had a snap to it; you couldn't tell he was starting out, has potential; hopefully he gets the correct character and doesn't become another stereotypical foreign heel

Agreed. Would be lame if they stereotyped him as some sort of Nazi character.

 

[shaz619]

Agreed. Would be lame if they stereotyped him as some sort of Nazi character.

Back in the day it wouldn't be far off the product is family friendly now.

The european guys have so much potential but have been utilized poorly, guys like Russev, Cesaro and Sheamus should have been main-eventers

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION]

 

[shaz619]

Was that you [MENTION=3474]TalhaSyed[/MENTION] waving the Pak flag during the Bayley segment on RAW in Glasgow

 

[Rana]

Absolutely pointless Raw v Smackdown Survivor series match.

The 5 on 5 is usually eipc and makes you look forward to it. Not getting my hopes up for a top quality surprise return either!

 

[shaz619]

Absolutely pointless Raw v Smackdown Survivor series match.

The 5 on 5 is usually eipc and makes you look forward to it. Not getting my hopes up for a top quality surprise return either!

You're just a casual follower who's not up to date with WWE nor do you watch the show regularly to determine whether or not the storylines/feuds/booking has been good or bad so your opinion and tears mean very little.

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION]

 

[Markhor]

[MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION]

That's such a meme-worthy picture too.

 

[Rana]

You're just a casual follower who's not up to date with WWE nor do you watch the show regularly to determine whether or not the storylines/feuds/booking has been good or bad so your opinion and tears mean very little.

Excuse me I watch it every week. Ive been following the story lines. WWE is at an all time low right now. They are so poor that they have to announce the return or appearence of major starts to gaurentee better ratings

Everyone watching Raw tonight is only doing so because of the Lesnar and Goldberg face off.

No wonder Vince is cashing in on the brand before it becomes worthless!

 

[shaz619]

Excuse me I watch it every week. Ive been following the story lines. WWE is at an all time low right now. They are so poor that they have to announce the return or appearence of major starts to gaurentee better ratings

Everyone watching Raw tonight is only doing so because of the Lesnar and Goldberg face off.

No wonder Vince is cashing in on the brand before it becomes worthless!

Okay since you watch it every week and follow the storylines can you break down for me all the storylines, characters and feuds you're not pleased with on RAW and Smackdown? I want an intricate analysis or else you're just one of those casual marks from the facebook comments section on the WWE page who spews nonsense for the sake of it irrespective of the products quality.

Why on earth wouldn't they advertise top stars in advance, they've done that throughout history even during AE era. What brand is he cashing on and what on earth does that even mean you make no sense at all sorry mate

 

[shaz619]

Great RAW and SD go home shows, can't wait for survivor series; best build for the PPV in years! Undertaker has also teased returning as a full timer for one final run, I hope we get to see him face AJ Styles

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=134473]Haroon786[/MENTION] look at Batista's physique in this video, it's incredible; you aiming for that yeah?

 

[Haroon786]

[MENTION=134473]Haroon786[/MENTION] look at Batista's physique in this video, it's incredible; you aiming for that yeah?

Don't have the time or the need to want to get that 'big' - obviously he was using steroids there.

 

[shaz619]

Don't have the time or the need to want to get that 'big' - obviously he was using steroids there.

Majority of them take roids or some form of PED's, it was still an impressive body and I admire the effort these guys put in and it was a great look for him; 49 year old Goldberg is in impressive shape (although the power/strength/explosiveness may not be there):

 

[Haroon786]

Majority of them take roids or some form of PED's, it was still an impressive body and I admire the effort these guys put in and it was a great look for him; 49 year old Goldberg is in impressive shape (although the power/strength/explosiveness may not be there):

Wow - someone who is in their physical peak period wouldn't mind having that body, guess may be want the lats a bit wider to get a perfect upper body.

 

[shaz619]

Wow - someone who is in their physical peak period wouldn't mind having that body, guess may be want the lats a bit wider to get a perfect upper body.

In the last 12 years he has also been doing a lot of MMA and kick boxing, the training for those is pretty gruelling. But coupled that with the weight lifting and he's always managed to keep himself in decent shape but probably put in a lot more effort for this comeback because he felt that there's a standard he set in the past which he needs to live up to, will be very hard but we'll see. But man, that's inspiring; am going to work harder in the gym

 

[Haroon786]

In the last 12 years he has also been doing a lot of MMA and kick boxing, the training for those is pretty gruelling. But coupled that with the weight lifting and he's always managed to keep himself in decent shape but probably put in a lot more effort for this comeback because he felt that there's a standard he set in the past which he needs to live up to, will be very hard but we'll see. But man, that's inspiring; am going to work harder in the gym

Definitely, even if you don't necessarily get visible improvements in physique, just the act of training is what you need to keep fit.

 

[Hasan123]

Pumped for survivor series. WWE have done a good job of building up the 5 vs 5 raw vs smackdown match.also looking forward to Goldberg vs Brock. Goldberg looks in good shape, think he'll put on a decent match

 

[shaz619]

Pumped for survivor series. WWE have done a good job of building up the 5 vs 5 raw vs smackdown match.also looking forward to Goldberg vs Brock. Goldberg looks in good shape, think he'll put on a decent match

Same here, great deal form WWE to you get Takeover, SS, TLC, Road block and the Royal Rumble all for 9.99; deal ends on the 20th I might go for it. It should be an entertaining encounter and this is the first time since 2005 that am excited for a traditional 5 v 5 SS match. Also mate, Taker is back for a final run as a regular performer!!! My dream match AJ Styles v Taker is one step closer, heck we may even get Taker v Goldberg down the line.

 

[Hasan123]

Same here, great deal form WWE to you get Takeover, SS, TLC, Road block and the Royal Rumble all for 9.99; deal ends on the 20th I might go for it. It should be an entertaining encounter and this is the first time since 2005 that am excited for a traditional 5 v 5 SS match. Also mate, Taker is back for a final run as a regular performer!!! My dream match AJ Styles v Taker is one step closer, heck we may even get Taker v Goldberg down the line.

The 5 on 5 build up has been brilliant, only thing is they should have hyped Ortons record in these type of matches more.

Apparently Taker is going to face the person who costs Smackdown the victory. Not sure if he'll face Styles or Goldberg

 

[shaz619]

The 5 on 5 build up has been brilliant, only thing is they should have hyped Ortons record in these type of matches more.

Apparently Taker is going to face the person who costs Smackdown the victory. Not sure if he'll face Styles or Goldberg

Styles will cost SD the match and KO will be the one to pin him. Taker will then challenge him for the title at Royal Rumble before 60,000+ and in a match of the year candidate Taker will beat Styles for the world title; the same night Cena will win the Royal Rumble. WM main-event, Title v Career; Cena beats Taker for his 16th world title at Wrestlemania.

 

[Aman]

Styles will cost SD the match and KO will be the one to pin him. Taker will then challenge him for the title at Royal Rumble before 60,000+ and in a match of the year candidate Taker will beat Styles for the world title; the same night Cena will win the Royal Rumble. WM main-event, Title v Career; Cena beats Taker for his 16th world title at Wrestlemania.

THis is like Punk-Rock-Cena all over again... AJ deserves that WM main event more than anyone on the roster.... If he doesn't ME this year, I don't think he ever will...

 

[shaz619]

THis is like Punk-Rock-Cena all over again... AJ deserves that WM main event more than anyone on the roster.... If he doesn't ME this year, I don't think he ever will...

You thought he'd be cleaning the toilets in the locker room so you should be grateful by how he has taken to WWE by storm and became their most valuable star. Very few got the chance to main-event in a short space of time, if he's able to then great! if not I won't lose sleep over it because I don't have a superficial attitude towards AJ Styles achievements given that his legacy has been cemented as an all time great.

A WM main-event will not reinforce that but more of a personal acomplishment, in fact I doubt AJ even gives a damn! the reason why he is on another level to your Seth Rollins, Kevin Owens and all the other performers is the simple fact that he's not a MARK for championship belts and main-events.

AJ Styles yearns to get to a level where he is beyond that by doing what only he can in the ring and not losing sight of that, this man doesn't care about your Austins, Rock or Hitmans, his intention is to carve out his own legacy and leave a permanent mark on the business much like one of the few people he looks up to in HBK, He's his own man and his own champion, AJ Styles is the main-event of Wrestlemania regardless of what number his match comes.

 

[Aman]

You thought he'd be cleaning the toilets in the locker room so you should be grateful by how he has taken to WWE by storm and became their most valuable star. Very few got the chance to main-event in a short space of time, if he's able to then great! if not I won't lose sleep over it because I don't have a superficial attitude towards AJ Styles achievements given that his legacy has been cemented as an all time great.

A WM main-event will not reinforce that but more of a personal acomplishment, in fact I doubt AJ even gives a damn! the reason why he is on another level to your Seth Rollins, Kevin Owens and all the other performers is the simple fact that he's not a MARK for championship belts and main-events.

AJ Styles yearns to get to a level where he is beyond that by doing what only he can in the ring and not losing sight of that, this man doesn't care about your Austins, Rock or Hitmans, his intention is to carve out his own legacy and leave a permanent mark on the business much like one of the few people he looks up to in HBK, He's his own man and his own champion, AJ Styles is the main-event of Wrestlemania regardless of what number his match comes.

100% spot on.

While guys like KO, Rollins etc. try to be the second coming of HBK, Austin etc. AJ wants to pave his own way and be his own man. He tries to put his twist on everything.

That promo where HBK buried Rollins was spot on. He didn't want to be the second anything, he wanted to be Shawn Michaels. AJ is the same.

 

[shaz619]

100% spot on.[/B]

While guys like KO, Rollins etc. try to be the second coming of HBK, Austin etc. AJ wants to pave his own way and be his own man. He tries to put his twist on everything.

That promo where HBK buried Rollins was spot on. He didn't want to be the second anything, he wanted to be Shawn Michaels. AJ is the same.

Shawn was spot on, I still can't believe AJ is in the WWE. He is their top guy right now, also captain on the SD team just shows how much they value him. Did you listen to his promo where KO got owned ) so excited for SS, first time in over a decade. AJ Styles vs Undertaker is going to be an MOTY candidate in the future, it would be shades of Sid v HBK in the same arena I know Taker is a level above Sid but is past his prime. Shawn at that rumble got a decent match out of Sid who wasn't the best wrestler before 60K people, AJ will carry Taker to a 4-4.5 star classic

 

[Hasan123]

Styles will cost SD the match and KO will be the one to pin him. Taker will then challenge him for the title at Royal Rumble before 60,000+ and in a match of the year candidate Taker will beat Styles for the world title; the same night Cena will win the Royal Rumble. WM main-event, Title v Career; Cena beats Taker for his 16th world title at Wrestlemania.

Lol I have heard that, don't think Taker deserves to lose his last match. Would prefer him to lose his last match to a younger star.

Shows how much of vinces golden boy cena is.

 

[shaz619]

Lol I have heard that, don't think Taker deserves to lose his last match. Would prefer him to lose his last match to a younger star.

Shows how much of vinces golden boy cena is.

Why should Taker have to put some jobber over who probably won't even be booked properly? if someone reputable gives Taker a send off why not? Taker did the same for Shawn when he retired. It's tradition in the business that you go out on your back and Taker wouldn't want it any other way; in fact I can see him personally requesting that Cena be the one to end his career. Taker has immense respect for John and all he has done for the WWE and the industry

 

[Hasan123]

Why should Taker have to put some jobber over who probably won't even be booked properly? if someone reputable gives Taker a send off why not? Taker did the same for Shawn when he retired. It's tradition in the business that you go out on your back and Taker wouldn't want it any other way; in fact I can see him personally requesting that Cena be the one to end his career. Taker has immense respect for John and all he has done for the WWE and the industry

Lol a jobber. It could be a young talent but maybe vince and co don't have anyone in mind.

Taker had wanted many people to end the streak so I wouldn't be suprised if he came up with such idea for cena to end his career. Only thing is I don't want AJ to lose the belt, I want him to have a long regin and eventually turn face as he could be a top face and bring in serious cash for wwe.

 

[shaz619]

Lol a jobber. It could be a young talent but maybe vince and co don't have anyone in mind.

Taker had wanted many people to end the streak so I wouldn't be suprised if he came up with such idea for cena to end his career. Only thing is I don't want AJ to lose the belt, I want him to have a long regin and eventually turn face as he could be a top face and bring in serious cash for wwe.

Put it this way, imagine Bray Wyatt had beaten taker at mania 21; would it have been justified when you look at how he has been booked since that point up until now? Wyatt is a main-event talent which has been booked like absolute garbage. The other thing, the young talent which would have beaten taker at a mania would have to live up to the expectations of having beaten a goat at mania and not just any ordinary goat, the goat, the undertaker, they'd also have to rise above the bad booking. People complained about Lesnar ending the streak but it was justified when you look at how he has been booked and he;s someone with the legitimacy and talent to live up to the hype.

Am not saying it's a bad idea! in the ideal world it makes perfect sense! providing the wwe book them strong consistently and the talent in question thrives under the spotlight

but at the same time when we look at taker and all he has done for the business it would be a selfish send off from WWE, if he's going to do the job at least have that someone be a name so he can go off on a little bit of a high in the same way Ric Flair and HBK got to retire.

Yeah, AJ could be one hell of a face but right now am enjoying him big time as a heel. I fear that his title reign is under threat, at the very least he will lose the belt at mania if not before that; I don't mind that because he has established himself as a main-eventer in the WWE and Vince highly values him as a talent. If it happens at mania, fair enough; it's the place where baby faces are supposed to triumph.

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION] You going to watch Survivor Series live? what are your predictions

 

[Hasan123]

[MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION] You going to watch Survivor Series live? what are your predictions

Not watching live, will watch some before work and some of it after work

Lesnar to beat Goldberg
Raw team to beat smackdown
Miz to beat Zayn
Smackdown women beat raw women
Brand kendrick to beat Kalisto
Raw tag teams to beat smackdown tag teams.

 

[shaz619]

Not watching live, will watch some before work and some of it after work

Lesnar to beat Goldberg
Raw team to beat smackdown
Miz to beat Zayn
Smackdown women beat raw women
Brand kendrick to beat Kalisto
Raw tag teams to beat smackdown tag teams.

All of them are bang on but there will be a couple of curve balls in there which WWE tends do either because they like to troll smarks or have genuine reasons when it comes to long term plans

 

[Hasan123]

All of them are bang on but there will be a couple of curve balls in there which WWE tends do either because they like to troll smarks or have genuine reasons when it comes to long term plans

There will be a curve in the raw vs smackdown match but I don't what it will be. Also there has been talk of a dodgy finish between Goldberg and Lesnar which wouldn't be a bad idea as a loss for either isn't needed.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Terrible booking to have Goldberg squash lesnar. That too an old, past it Goldberg. Even in their primes , that's not the way to book a legit guy like lesnar.

 

[Hasan123]

Delighted for Goldberg but honestly all that hype for that match and for it to end like that is a joke. Hopefully it means Goldberg is around for a bit longer and won't feud with Lesnar now.

 

[shaz619]

Terrible booking to have Goldberg squash lesnar. That too an old, past it Goldberg. Even in their primes , that's not the way to book a legit guy like lesnar.

Delighted for Goldberg but honestly all that hype for that match and for it to end like that is a joke. Hopefully it means Goldberg is around for a bit longer and won't feud with Lesnar now.

It wasn't terrible booking actually, people have been complaining about how Lesnar has been booked as this invincible beast for over 4 years now and how his matches have been incredibly stale; if he's to lose the aura of his invincibility then that can only mean a good thing because first, there is more depth to his one dimensional character and no.2 his matches will be better. You can't be immortal forever, Taker, Cena etc all grew out of it, Brock remains a draw despite this squash.

Also, Goldberg is back not as a one off but for a series off matches; what better way to get him over by having him squash the beast? when he was huge back in the day, it's how his WCW matches were booked. Also, hats of to canada; the real wrestling fans. Am sorry, but on this night at Survivor Series it may be an oxymoron to say this but wrestling go real! how many stars can get fans to suspend their disbelief in the kayfabe world in this era? that's the power of Goldberg and also credit to the fans in Toronto. Wrestling doesn't always have to be about high spots and spot monkey's.

The buzz to come out of the match has been unbelievable and the publicity has been great, the rematch will be huge and they will draw huge numbers at the gate, network subscriptions and PPV buys. This is your Mike Tyson ending fights in under a minute, Ronda winning fights within seconds and Mcgregor beating Aldo in seconds; it was a brilliant booking move and it doesn't hurt Brock on any level.

The only criticism from me is that perhaps someone like a Russev should have beaten Brock first before Goldberg squashed him, WWE need to realise that they won;t create huge stars if they don't make investments long term by taking a couple of risks. But the booking decision itself of Goldberg squashing Lesnar was brilliant and the idea behind it was great, the road to the royal rumble and mania just got incredibly interesting.