The Wrestling Discussion Thread

[shaz619]

So on my YouTube in suggestions there was a video and watching it I got to know an Indian is the WWE champion again.. [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] is this just to tap more into the Indian market or the guy is actually talented? I remember Khali being champion and that made news in our Hindi news channels.. I saw couple of Khali's fight and man he made giant Gonzales look like Ric flair..[/QUOTE]
[MENTION=141093]big_gamer007[/MENTION]

) You pretty much nailed it there with the Giant Gonzales comparison. Honestly, 4 years a go I'd have said that Jinder is someone who has talent and potential but is severely under utilized although he needs to make improvements without a doubt. However, he was always decent in the ring and could talk a bit; but now he has bought even more fire to his promos and the in-ring work is a lot more polished, he also has a tremendous work ethic which will help him big time. Jim Ross recently made a criticism that he tends to overly shout and in the coming weeks I saw him take that advice on board and change the tone of his voice in order to improve the delivery on the mic. He's the typical WWE wrestler for Vince, great look, not a ring general by any means but more then decent in the ring and can nail the heavily scripted WWE promos in this era to portray the character they want him to and with xenphobia rampant in the US and Smark/Mark wrestling fans heavily favouring wrestlers who have more of a high flying style it's all fantastic heat for Jinder but there is a portion as well who view him as a guilty pleasure because the guy bust his behind so hard and been through a great deal to get to where he is right now. Am not sure if you followed JBL's title reign in Smackdown during 2004 period but Jinder can be a decent heel champion in the same mould

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=141093]big_gamer007[/MENTION] There's another gifted Pakistani wrestler in the WWE by the name of Mustafa Ali, he's more in the mould of a Rey Mysterio/Eddie ; his style is more in line with modern times and he is very sound technically and a great high flyer. He and Jinder are very good friends. Great to see two pro-wrestlers in WWE with subcontinent origins! With WWE touring India, it is only natural that they may want to book Mustafa Ali v Jinder but will Mustafa be able to get a visa? he is born in the US so should be alright? although WWE may want to avoid any controversy so would go in a different direction but if they really want to make the big bucks when they tour India that would be a great match up given the clash of styles and Jinder would come out looking like a million bucks every time to after defeating the heel Pakistani. In India Jinder can be a face but in Ameica a heel, that's how Vince will book him

 

[big_gamer007]

[MENTION=141093]big_gamer007[/MENTION] There's another gifted Pakistani wrestler in the WWE by the name of Mustafa Ali, he's more in the mould of a Rey Mysterio/Eddie ; his style is more in line with modern times and he is very sound technically and a great high flyer. He and Jinder are very good friends. Great to see two pro-wrestlers in WWE with subcontinent origins! With WWE touring India, it is only natural that they may want to book Mustafa Ali v Jinder but will Mustafa be able to get a visa? he is born in the US so should be alright? although WWE may want to avoid any controversy so would go in a different direction but if they really want to make the big bucks when they tour India that would be a great match up given the clash of styles and Jinder would come out looking like a million bucks every time to after defeating the heel Pakistani. In India Jinder can be a face but in Ameica a heel, that's how Vince will book him

Nice I always liked watching Rey/Eddie/Jeff hardy type styles of wrestling they do the moves so fast and effortlessly it actually makes you believe that it's all real if you know what I mean.. Like if you watch some old guys from 90's now you will know they are faking it by stomping foot too hard while punching or pausing run before hitting an opponent but rey's style made it seemed all real..

I am sure he would get a visa, WWE is big in India and since he is American born there should not be any problem.. Unless WWE advertises the match between jinder and Ali as India vs Pakistan beforehand then political parties will know of his origin and certain news channels might start attacking the government in which case his visa might get rejected.. Otherwise it should be fine would be good to see these guys fight out in India, the heat ali would get should be pretty good hopefully crowd can be half as vocal as Shawn's return in Montreal..

 

[big_gamer007]

So on my YouTube in suggestions there was a video and watching it I got to know an Indian is the WWE champion again.. [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] is this just to tap more into the Indian market or the guy is actually talented? I remember Khali being champion and that made news in our Hindi news channels.. I saw couple of Khali's fight and man he made giant Gonzales look like Ric flair..[/QUOTE]
[MENTION=141093]big_gamer007[/MENTION]

) You pretty much nailed it there with the Giant Gonzales comparison. Honestly, 4 years a go I'd have said that Jinder is someone who has talent and potential but is severely under utilized although he needs to make improvements without a doubt. However, he was always decent in the ring and could talk a bit; but now he has bought even more fire to his promos and the in-ring work is a lot more polished, he also has a tremendous work ethic which will help him big time. Jim Ross recently made a criticism that he tends to overly shout and in the coming weeks I saw him take that advice on board and change the tone of his voice in order to improve the delivery on the mic. He's the typical WWE wrestler for Vince, great look, not a ring general by any means but more then decent in the ring and can nail the heavily scripted WWE promos in this era to portray the character they want him to and with xenphobia rampant in the US and Smark/Mark wrestling fans heavily favouring wrestlers who have more of a high flying style it's all fantastic heat for Jinder but there is a portion as well who view him as a guilty pleasure because the guy bust his behind so hard and been through a great deal to get to where he is right now. Am not sure if you followed JBL's title reign in Smackdown during 2004 period but Jinder can be a decent heel champion in the same mould

He's too nice to be a wrestler though if what you are saying is true.. Wrestlers of old were full of themselves arrogant and lived on another planet.. This guy is taking advice from everyone kudos to him I guess this is the new breed of wrestlers who are actually more professional and down to earth rather than over the top characters of old.. I remember JBLs run I actually pretty enjoyed it contrary to most people I liked him as a billionaire more than any of his other characters of past.. I watched wrestling till early 2005's properly then I stopped watching properly just watched some match here and there, then completely gave up around 2008-9 didn't like john cena/HHH so was nothing left to watch..

 

[shaz619]

Nice I always liked watching Rey/Eddie/Jeff hardy type styles of wrestling they do the moves so fast and effortlessly it actually makes you believe that it's all real if you know what I mean.. Like if you watch some old guys from 90's now you will know they are faking it by stomping foot too hard while punching or pausing run before hitting an opponent but rey's style made it seemed all real..

I am sure he would get a visa, WWE is big in India and since he is American born there should not be any problem.. Unless WWE advertises the match between jinder and Ali as India vs Pakistan beforehand then political parties will know of his origin and certain news channels might start attacking the government in which case his visa might get rejected.. Otherwise it should be fine would be good to see these guys fight out in India, the heat ali would get should be pretty good hopefully crowd can be half as vocal as Shawn's return in Montreal..

Here is Mustafa Ali in April this year:

This is the Jinder Mahald in a recent match:

Let me know what your first impressions are of both.

I see what you mean But I enjoy all styles generally, I only tend to get a bit annoyed when wrestles do not sell. You must have been a big fan of the golden era of cruswerweights in the 90's, WCW had a big thing going with Rey, Malenko, Eddie, Billy Kidman, Jericho, Ultimo Dragon and Justhin Thunder Liger; often these guys were the highlight of the show in terms of in-ring action while the NWO, Goldberg etc were the larger then life characters

 

[big_gamer007]

Here is Mustafa Ali in April this year:

This is the Jinder Mahald in a recent match:

Let me know what your first impressions are of both.

I see what you mean But I enjoy all styles generally, I only tend to get a bit annoyed when wrestles do not sell. You must have been a big fan of the golden era of cruswerweights in the 90's, WCW had a big thing going with Rey, Malenko, Eddie, Billy Kidman, Jericho, Ultimo Dragon and Justhin Thunder Liger; often these guys were the highlight of the show in terms of in-ring action while the NWO, Goldberg etc were the larger then life characters

Damn that Ali kid guy is really talented even the other guy in the match was brilliant, of that was Ali's WWE debut he did not look like a jobber at all and had a proper match in his first match in WWE I'm sure he will do well if booked properly.. Even if not he can go to Japan or Mexico and become a star there...

Jinder mahal looked alright TBH not that great but he has the look and seemed pretty athletic maybe he can refine a bit more and add a couple of more moves he can become a top heel.. And did the commies called those two guys Singh brothers? Can't WWE be more original atleast hardy boyz, Dudley boyz sounded cool Singh brothers sound pretty lame lol.. AJ styles is still great good to see him giving top performance..


Man I'll tel you growing up we didn't have TNT in India we had Cartoon Network after 9PM Cartoon Network used to be stopped and in its place TNT used to come where they used to show WCW.. 10PM was my curfew time to sleep as a kid but I used to stay up till WCW was over I loved it back then more than WWF for a while.. Everything was great the cruiserweight division made it so much special watching guys fly like that as a kid used to make me believe in super powers we use to discuss next day in school about it some kids used to say in America you have shoes which has springs which makes you jump 10 feet some crap like that lol..

Apart from Eddie, Rey and Jericho I think WWF wasted all the WCW talent they acquired apart from Austin and HHH.. It's a shame really at that time you had so much abundance of talented wrestlers and now you hardly got many.. What will vince pay to get back all the talent he wasted back in the day..

 

[Adil_94]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] because mustafa ali is going on what is technically a business trip he should be granted a Visa. Otherwise for someone who has any grandparents or parents born in Pakistan or with Pakistani passport or nationality card. GOI doesnt give them tourist visas since the Mumbai attacks in 2008.

 

[JaDed]

Jinder has got a lot of heat from the hardcore wrestling fanbase due to a perception of his lack of skill given that he's a big dude and among the casuals it's more to do with xenophobia. They're not students of the game. Jinder has been wrestling for 15 years now; spent 8 years on the independent circuit scrapping it out in high school gyms before crowds of 50 people and then he finally got the big breakthrough when WWE signed him in 2010.

He'd not make his main roster debut immediately but would work in the Florida development territory where he'd craft out his character and adjust to the WWE style; then a year later he'd make his debut for WWE and between 2011-2014 he'd spend most his time in the lower to mid-card, the great thing is you're making some guaranteed money but career progression wise you don't really go anywhere. His run would culminate in a faction called 3MB who were basically "jobbers" it's a derogatory term for wrestlers who never quiet break the glass ceiling and are often fed to other stars to make them look invincible. Jinder despite being the victim of poor booking tried to make the best out of whatever was given to him and 3MB despite being a jobber faction were actually pretty entertaining but soon the group would fall apart and Jinder would be released.

Jinder would then return to the independent circuit and work even harder especially on his physique, the mic work is okay and the ring was okay to but he polished them both and returned to the WWE recently as a star who was a lot better when looked up as an all round package. While he has benefited from WWE wanting to expand in the India market and reach more people there; am not really sure how they will do in terms of long term financials besides the instances where they tour there but credit must be given to Jinder as well because he worked his behind off and paid his dues the old school way. I've also met him after a show in Brum, one of the nicest people in wrestling and extremely humble/classy. He's like say the polar opposite of an Umar Akmal, always looking to improve and work hard, no ego at all and we see many of them in wrestling but his work ethic has held him in good stead so fair play to Jinder.

The Great Khali is the worst wrestler of all time it was a bigger insult to put the WHC title on him, who was basically just big and nothing else; in Jinder India and Canada have a champion they can truly be proud off and I expect him to have a great run as WWE champion. He is the first sikh world champion in WWE history, Jinder is also a 2nd gen wrestler being a nephew of legendary Gama Singh. Truly happy for the guy, this is was wrestling is all about; moments like these, I could tell he was fighting hard to stay in character at the end of the match he wanted to desperately cry when the final 3rd count was made

Long time such posts from you, good read!

 

[JaDed]

Damn that Ali kid guy is really talented even the other guy in the match was brilliant, of that was Ali's WWE debut he did not look like a jobber at all and had a proper match in his first match in WWE I'm sure he will do well if booked properly.. Even if not he can go to Japan or Mexico and become a star there...

Jinder mahal looked alright TBH not that great but he has the look and seemed pretty athletic maybe he can refine a bit more and add a couple of more moves he can become a top heel.. And did the commies called those two guys Singh brothers? Can't WWE be more original atleast hardy boyz, Dudley boyz sounded cool Singh brothers sound pretty lame lol.. AJ styles is still great good to see him giving top performance..


Man I'll tel you growing up we didn't have TNT in India we had Cartoon Network after 9PM Cartoon Network used to be stopped and in its place TNT used to come where they used to show WCW.. 10PM was my curfew time to sleep as a kid but I used to stay up till WCW was over I loved it back then more than WWF for a while.. Everything was great the cruiserweight division made it so much special watching guys fly like that as a kid used to make me believe in super powers we use to discuss next day in school about it some kids used to say in America you have shoes which has springs which makes you jump 10 feet some crap like that lol..

Apart from Eddie, Rey and Jericho I think WWF wasted all the WCW talent they acquired apart from Austin and HHH.. It's a shame really at that time you had so much abundance of talented wrestlers and now you hardly got many.. What will vince pay to get back all the talent he wasted back in the day..

I remember those days,I had been watching WWF for a long time and missed all the wrestlers that had left,and suddenly one day i notice as soon as cartoon network got over in a rubbish classic channel(as a i kid) ,we suddenly got WCW and there was Hulk Hogan,Razor Ramon and all the wrestlers I loved in WWF over here ,also to me during those years i assumed it was real,and the "refree" crap they used to pull out in WWF was so fake I turned to WCW.

Hell I even bought a PC game called WCW Nitro ,which was amazing.

 

[leatherface58]

Orton was interesting in the Wyatt family and then went back to being his usual uninspiring, under performing robotic self although I credit him for putting over Jinder and going out with a bang because their title match had great heat. So this is a great move to put the belt on a new face at the top, SD truly is the land of opportunity; what do you think [MENTION=95766]leatherface58[/MENTION] ? this reminds me of all those yeas ago when they took a risk with JBL on Smackdown but it paid off and he ran with the ball

Jinder Mahal has won the WWE title and he actually looked like a star on Smackdown! Vince's grapefruits will swell further if he actually makes a star out of nothing.

The funny thing is the crowd popped for the celebration and was dancing and Jinder cuts an Iron Sheik-esque "You want to ruin my celebration" promo )

But this foreign heel character gets heat. Cannot argue. Jinder is drawing insane heat and unlike Roman, they do not need to spin it as "They are just being passionate Maggle!"

 

[shaz619]

Damn that Ali kid guy is really talented even the other guy in the match was brilliant, of that was Ali's WWE debut he did not look like a jobber at all and had a proper match in his first match in WWE I'm sure he will do well if booked properly.. Even if not he can go to Japan or Mexico and become a star there...

Jinder mahal looked alright TBH not that great but he has the look and seemed pretty athletic maybe he can refine a bit more and add a couple of more moves he can become a top heel.. And did the commies called those two guys Singh brothers? Can't WWE be more original atleast hardy boyz, Dudley boyz sounded cool Singh brothers sound pretty lame lol.. AJ styles is still great good to see him giving top performance..


Man I'll tel you growing up we didn't have TNT in India we had Cartoon Network after 9PM Cartoon Network used to be stopped and in its place TNT used to come where they used to show WCW.. 10PM was my curfew time to sleep as a kid but I used to stay up till WCW was over I loved it back then more than WWF for a while.. Everything was great the cruiserweight division made it so much special watching guys fly like that as a kid used to make me believe in super powers we use to discuss next day in school about it some kids used to say in America you have shoes which has springs which makes you jump 10 feet some crap like that lol..

Apart from Eddie, Rey and Jericho I think WWF wasted all the WCW talent they acquired apart from Austin and HHH.. It's a shame really at that time you had so much abundance of talented wrestlers and now you hardly got many.. What will vince pay to get back all the talent he wasted back in the day..

Both are very very good in the ring, prior to this Ali had worked the independent scene in America and has toured places like Mexico and Japan; it really helps a wrestler refine their skills. He has been at it for over 10 years and finally got a break with the WWE, great time for him to debut. Neville is one of the P4P talents to come out of England, they finally found his niche characterwise; he can do some amazing high flying moves but has toned it down because he's a heel now that's why you saw him go for the submission at the end after teasing his old finisher from the top rope

Yeah there's always room for improvement and now that he has been pushed he will hopefully improve more with big match experience, when Vince pushed John Cena to the moon he was so green in the ring but eventually improved immensely given his work ethic; Jinder aint even that bad to begin with but am sure he'll work harder and get better.

That team's original name was the Bollywood Boyz they had been using that on the independent circuit before coming to WWE, but it was changed to fit in line with Jinder's sikh background (they are sikh as well) but also so that WWE could copyright the gimmick and monetize it. I was like that too absolutely loved Cartoon Network ! we had Batman, X-Men and Samurai Jack ! they don't make animated shows like that anymore although the final season of Samurai Jack was released recently and it's even more edgy; am going to watch it after exams. And it was the boom period in wrestling, be it WWF, WCW o ECW there was something for everyone. I use to try and copy those moves you speak off but only managed the body splash from the top rope which would be the window edge in my case and then jump on me cousin and then at school we all use to free style wrestle during break times but I would cheat at times by putting my opponent in a sharp shooter or figure 4 leg lock ) they are actually not easy to do

True, Vince had a big ego lol he had to bury WCW and even when Sting finally came over they had HHH beat him lmao they did a decent job with Booker T but he could have been even bigger

 

[shaz619]

I remember those days,I had been watching WWF for a long time and missed all the wrestlers that had left,and suddenly one day i notice as soon as cartoon network got over in a rubbish classic channel(as a i kid) ,we suddenly got WCW and there was Hulk Hogan,Razor Ramon and all the wrestlers I loved in WWF over here ,also to me during those years i assumed it was real,and the "refree" crap they used to pull out in WWF was so fake I turned to WCW.

Hell I even bought a PC game called WCW Nitro ,which was amazing.

Is that the one developed by THQ? their physics engine was revolutionary and the games they made for the n64 were incredible! n64 is my all time favourite console

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] because mustafa ali is going on what is technically a business trip he should be granted a Visa. Otherwise for someone who has any grandparents or parents born in Pakistan or with Pakistani passport or nationality card. GOI doesnt give them tourist visas since the Mumbai attacks in 2008.

That;s good news then shouldn't be a problem for him to tour there

 

[shaz619]

Jinder Mahal has won the WWE title and he actually looked like a star on Smackdown! Vince's grapefruits will swell further if he actually makes a star out of nothing.

The funny thing is the crowd popped for the celebration and was dancing and Jinder cuts an Iron Sheik-esque "You want to ruin my celebration" promo )

But this foreign heel character gets heat. Cannot argue. Jinder is drawing insane heat and unlike Roman, they do not need to spin it as "They are just being passionate Maggle!"

I still rate Reigns a lot more then smarks although the heat can be attributed to a number of factors but either way it's great for him and the WWE. I've not watched Smackdown yet but look forward to it! I also heard AJ and Nakamura teamed together bah gawwd! do you think Jinder can match JBL's title reign from 04? the only minor quibble I have is that Jinder's stereotyped gimmick has been done to death would have liked a fresh spin, although Mustafa Ali is doing that gimmick with refreshing spin but it's also based on who he is as a person; his persona is that off someone who doesn't play into the xenophobia but someone who wants to change the way people think through his performances in the ring which should only matter and repeatedly advocates that on social media as well, excellent talent but WWE need to book their CW division better like they did on the network special which had the likes of Kota Ibushi in the tournament that was brilliant

 

[Bhaijaan]

Most comments i've been reading on youtube and other social media from foreigners have been massively pro Jinder. Apparently people are done with baby faces and fake heels and find Jinder's natural cockiness and mic rants rather refreshing and legit for a heel.

But he needs to be more creative and convincing as a wrestler too. Needs another finisher too.

 

[leatherface58]

I still rate Reigns a lot more then smarks although the heat can be attributed to a number of factors but either way it's great for him and the WWE. I've not watched Smackdown yet but look forward to it! I also heard AJ and Nakamura teamed together bah gawwd! do you think Jinder can match JBL's title reign from 04? the only minor quibble I have is that Jinder's stereotyped gimmick has been done to death would have liked a fresh spin, although Mustafa Ali is doing that gimmick with refreshing spin but it's also based on who he is as a person; his persona is that off someone who doesn't play into the xenophobia but someone who wants to change the way people think through his performances in the ring which should only matter and repeatedly advocates that on social media as well, excellent talent but WWE need to book their CW division better like they did on the network special which had the likes of Kota Ibushi in the tournament that was brilliant

Jinder is less JBL and more Muhammad Hassan who started in a similar shade of grey and then devolved into a racist character. That being said, this is PG so they will not go too far with Jinder and he actually is cutting babyface promos for Indians much like Bret Hart was a heel in US and a babyface in Canada.

Jinder is so far doing a great job and I am interested what happens. His match with RKO was not bad at all. He is just 30 and can still improve as a wrestler.

The thing is Roman is repeatedly booked like a babyface going over heels when he cannot ever get over as a babyface now. Two years of bad booking have killed it. Kids and women still love him but not enough for him to be a huge draw. On Smackdown, Sami got beaten up like crazy and Corbin got booed. Becky gets beaten up and the attackers get a lot of heel heat. Roman gets beaten up and the heels become babyfaces by association.

Then there is also the arrogant Roman who beat THE UNDERTAKER at Wrestlemania now being made to look like a babyface in peril which is just sad.

 

[JaDed]

Is that the one developed by THQ? their physics engine was revolutionary and the games they made for the n64 were incredible! n64 is my all time favourite console

Yup that one! It was a real deal,great matches and what not,it remained pretty unbeaten,till Smackdown 2 showed up,which completely changed the game.

Although in terms of 2d the best was wrestlemania aracade,in this everyone would have a weapon so amazing.It was classic arcade but surprisingly available for PC.

I wish I owned nintendo but all i got for consoles during those years were Atari

 

[big_gamer007]

I remember those days,I had been watching WWF for a long time and missed all the wrestlers that had left,and suddenly one day i notice as soon as cartoon network got over in a rubbish classic channel(as a i kid) ,we suddenly got WCW and there was Hulk Hogan,Razor Ramon and all the wrestlers I loved in WWF over here ,also to me during those years i assumed it was real,and the "refree" crap they used to pull out in WWF was so fake I turned to WCW.

Hell I even bought a PC game called WCW Nitro ,which was amazing.

Haha yea WCW was great back then mate they had the larger than life wrestlers as well as those faster edgier wrestlers who can wrestle.. TNT was great I watched my first English movie on TNT, wizard of oz..

Lol even I had nitro I borrowed the CD from a friend of mine and never returned, then another friend of mine borrowed it from me and he never returned to me lol..

 

[Rana]

Jinder still needs one or two huge wins to establish him asa monster heel.

If WWE think they can create the finished article by lining Jinder against Cena, then I think Jinder will just go down the road like Rusev, Bray and a few others. Cena isnt the guy anymore who makes someone go over. I dont even think its Lesnar either. It might sound far fetched, but maybe Jinder needs a rivalry against Triple H to truly bring him into the limelight. Triple H is the king of making epic rivalries, his Promos on Jinder are more likely to get Jinder over as compared to all the others.

I was of the opinion that Randy Orton did no favours to Jinder by not truly acknowledging him as a threat, it was quite disrespectful when Jinder awas in the ring and Orton was cutting promos to Bray Wyatt.

 

[shaz619]

Jinder still needs one or two huge wins to establish him asa monster heel.

If WWE think they can create the finished article by lining Jinder against Cena, then I think Jinder will just go down the road like Rusev, Bray and a few others. Cena isnt the guy anymore who makes someone go over. I dont even think its Lesnar either. It might sound far fetched, but maybe Jinder needs a rivalry against Triple H to truly bring him into the limelight. Triple H is the king of making epic rivalries, his Promos on Jinder are more likely to get Jinder over as compared to all the others.

I was of the opinion that Randy Orton did no favours to Jinder by not truly acknowledging him as a threat, it was quite disrespectful when Jinder awas in the ring and Orton was cutting promos to Bray Wyatt.

Yeah they rushed him to the main-event after finding themselves in an awkward position but he is half decent and they need to milk the applause from gullible Indians when there are far more rounded performers like Russev who is superior in the ring and the mic, Jinder is just a roided up meat head who screams and shouts to conceal his poor mic skills before humiliating himself in the ring; this is a guy who is the WWE Champion, I expected better [MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION] and LOL at those who have the audacity to even criticise Reigns in comparison while dong a Bhangra over Jinder, Reigns is like Superstar Billy Graham and Buddy Rogers compared to Jinder

 

[Adil_94]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] wwe just want indians money. Jinders promos have been average just regurgitating a lot of the same stuff. Talking about his people and his language when mans Punjabi is worse than mine. Jinder should have been built over months. This is clear just vince having an idea and bulldozing ahead with it.

Reigns is a million miles ahead of Jinder.

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] wwe just want indians money. Jinders promos have been average just regurgitating a lot of the same stuff. Talking about his people and his language when mans Punjabi is worse than mine. Jinder should have been built over months. This is clear just vince having an idea and bulldozing ahead with it.

Reigns is a million miles ahead of Jinder.

Am not even sure there is money to be made, it could be a short term thing for when they tour India but beyond that am not sure. These are Ryback's views regarding the India Market:

http://411mania.com/wrestling/rybac...g-to-appeal-to-india-talks-mahals-title-shot/

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Ryback Doesn’t Get Why WWE Is Trying to Appeal to India, Talks Mahal’s Title Shot

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] wwe just want indians money. Jinders promos have been average just regurgitating a lot of the same stuff. Talking about his people and his language when mans Punjabi is worse than mine. Jinder should have been built over months. This is clear just vince having an idea and bulldozing ahead with it.

Reigns is a million miles ahead of Jinder.

All Jinder did was roid up, he's just big like the great khali. How did he pay his dues when he wasn't even wrestling for the WWE? he just comes back, zero build and some jobber is suddenly a guy we should take seriously just because he screams on the mic and has big muscles. And besides being ashamed of what they are seeing in the ring only reason people boo him is because of the stereotypical gimmick which has been done to death how can anyone find that even remotely entertaining

 

[Specialisttailender]

Never thought an Indian would become a WWE champion

 

[shaz619]

Never thought an Indian would become a WWE champion

The Great Khali was the first and only Indian born world champion although it did not have the lineage going back to Buddy Rogers. Jinder on the other hand was born in Canada and is Calgary's first WWE Champion since Bret The Hitman Hart

 

[shaz619]

RAW has been excellent in recent times loving the build to Extreme Rules, next week they've booked Balor v Wyatt v Samoa Joe and Reigns v Rollins; SD on the other hand has been average, they will have a tough job selling Jinder as champion given his work at present and his gimmick doesn't have a big life span; The US title picture is great with the likes of Owens and Styles; plus always great to catch the progress of Nakamura. In essence the likes of Owens/Styles should be in the WWE title picture [MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION] and WWE could have build up Jinder and sold him as the United States champion and taken things from there, it would allow him to develop organically, improve as a performer and get some big match experience under his belt; someone like Russev was a lot more ready for the main-event push.

Plus the mid-card run would also give WWE indication if Jinder is capable as a performer at the top level in the long run, I fear this could be a short term project; they will have Jinder go back to jobbing after the India tour is over. The rule book is simple you work your way from the bottom to the top, guys like Austin and Rock were not thrust into the main-event level and being in the mid-card improved them immensely and helped them carve out a niche before Vince pulled the trigger on their main-event run

 

[big_gamer007]

Am not even sure there is money to be made, it could be a short term thing for when they tour India but beyond that am not sure. These are Ryback's views regarding the India Market:

http://411mania.com/wrestling/rybac...g-to-appeal-to-india-talks-mahals-title-shot/

"

Ryback Doesn’t Get Why WWE Is Trying to Appeal to India, Talks Mahal’s Title Shot

Looks like we gotta teach WWE a lesson like we taught snapdeal and snapchat and literally everything with the word Snap in it ������

 

[shaz619]

Sunny Dinsa aka Akham who is one half of the Authors of Pain tag team is another Canadian of Punjabi Sikh origin [MENTION=141093]big_gamer007[/MENTION] he has a lot more natural ability then Jinder and in a short amount of time despite his level of inexperience has been brilliant, I think what has helped his fast progress is his background in free style wrestling having won medals and national championships for Canada, had just missed out on QF for the 2012 Olympic Games in London and while he was a big prospect for Rio he decided to enter the world of WWE whey offered him a contract.

The other half, his partner is an albanian fella with a background in MMA. The two for their size are incredibly sound technically and very agile; they are a modern monster tag team, can do all the stuff you're familiar with but more given their endurance and have the potential to get even better when they only been training for a year or two and have not worked more then 80 matches. I'd be hyped for these guys more then Jinder tbh:

Just showing you that video of how talented they are especially for folk who are so inexperienced, I couldn;t find another link but if you can from somewhere try to watch The Authors of Pain vs DIY Ladder Match at WWE NXT Takeover Chicago.

NXT was supposed to be a WWE development territory but they have turned it into a global independent promotion which also helps wrestles coming through their system to work and train with experiences veterans from the US, Japan and Europe; it's a very popular brand amongst the hardcore fans and stylistically is different compared to RAW and Smackdown when it come to in-ring work

 

[big_gamer007]

Sunny Dinsa aka Akham who is one half of the Authors of Pain tag team is another Canadian of Punjabi Sikh origin [MENTION=141093]big_gamer007[/MENTION] he has a lot more natural ability then Jinder and in a short amount of time despite his level of inexperience has been brilliant, I think what has helped his fast progress is his background in free style wrestling having won medals and national championships for Canada, had just missed out on QF for the 2012 Olympic Games in London and while he was a big prospect for Rio he decided to enter the world of WWE whey offered him a contract.

The other half, his partner is an albanian fella with a background in MMA. The two for their size are incredibly sound technically and very agile; they are a modern monster tag team, can do all the stuff you're familiar with but more given their endurance and have the potential to get even better when they only been training for a year or two and have not worked more then 80 matches. I'd be hyped for these guys more then Jinder tbh:

Just showing you that video of how talented they are especially for folk who are so inexperienced, I couldn;t find another link but if you can from somewhere try to watch The Authors of Pain vs DIY Ladder Match at WWE NXT Takeover Chicago.

NXT was supposed to be a WWE development territory but they have turned it into a global independent promotion which also helps wrestles coming through their system to work and train with experiences veterans from the US, Japan and Europe; it's a very popular brand amongst the hardcore fans and stylistically is different compared to RAW and Smackdown when it come to in-ring work

Damn nice these guys are pretty athletic for big guys.. Is there any good big guy tag teams in WWE these days? If these guys can be refined a bit more they can become a strong Heel big guy tag team and with a decent push they can easily revive the tag team division.. The problem with WWE I feel is the lack of decent mid cards, earlier we used to have Eddie, Benoit, Kane, edge n Christian, Dudley, hardy, Trisha, lita etc who had fan following like top carders and were pretty good.. but I'm sure since he se guys have experience of amateur wrestling and MMA these guys can be groomed into very good mid carders of WWE bookers care about it..

Now I feel WWE does not know how to make strong mid carders I really liked the brock lesnar vs bearded stable in royal rumble and thought that could be a killer money maker match but it never happened.. And whatever little I watched of the bearded stable they always lose so it's a pity they never build strong characters in mid card.. Also 3 hour raw is way too long without enough talent and storylines to keep audience engaged..

I will give NXT a try will see when it's shown and watch a couple of shows, Indy wrestling is fun to watch but I personally enjoy more of a storyline wrestling of old days.. Rather than watching Indy wrestling I prefer watching UFC which is actually real.. For me wrestling is about stories and over the top characters with some great wrestlers thrown in the mix like AJ and that Japanese dude you showed the videos of..

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=95766]leatherface58[/MENTION] [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] [MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION] [MENTION=141093]big_gamer007[/MENTION]

Samoa Joe won an excellent/entertaining main-event at extreme rules to earn a title shot against one of the biggest stars ever in the WWE, BROCK LESNAR!

I just can't help but feel so happy for Joe, am tearing up! have been a big fan of his ever since his beastly run in ROH during the early 2000's he was one of my favourites along with AJ Styles, Bryan Danielson and CM Punk. For guys like us who've followed him on this journey know how far he has come and all the obstacles he had to jump over, the man has paid his dues and completely deserves his current position.

I know it would have been nice to have a prime Joe from 10 years ago in the WWE but trust me he can still go in the ring ! credit to WWE for pulling the trigger on this now because neither Brock or Joe are getting any younger so great move. It's a dream match I've wanted to see for a long time and I suspect that Joe got his chance after Braun Strowman got injured who I believe was slated to face Lesnar for the world title.

Anyhow I hope Joe goes over and we finally get the pay off to a wonderful career which began in 1999! Samoa Joe has the legitimacy in terms of his Judo Background, character and skillset to be believably go over Lesnar and it would not be a bad move at all but am guessing the E are saving Lesnar for Reigns. Anyhow it will still be great to see Joe in the top spot even if he does not win but hopefully they book the match on a level playing field where Joe is more then competitive so the defeat is not damaging.

 

[shaz619]

Damn nice these guys are pretty athletic for big guys.. Is there any good big guy tag teams in WWE these days? If these guys can be refined a bit more they can become a strong Heel big guy tag team and with a decent push they can easily revive the tag team division.. The problem with WWE I feel is the lack of decent mid cards, earlier we used to have Eddie, Benoit, Kane, edge n Christian, Dudley, hardy, Trisha, lita etc who had fan following like top carders and were pretty good.. but I'm sure since he se guys have experience of amateur wrestling and MMA these guys can be groomed into very good mid carders of WWE bookers care about it..

Now I feel WWE does not know how to make strong mid carders I really liked the brock lesnar vs bearded stable in royal rumble and thought that could be a killer money maker match but it never happened.. And whatever little I watched of the bearded stable they always lose so it's a pity they never build strong characters in mid card.. Also 3 hour raw is way too long without enough talent and storylines to keep audience engaged..

I will give NXT a try will see when it's shown and watch a couple of shows, Indy wrestling is fun to watch but I personally enjoy more of a storyline wrestling of old days.. Rather than watching Indy wrestling I prefer watching UFC which is actually real.. For me wrestling is about stories and over the top characters with some great wrestlers thrown in the mix like AJ and that Japanese dude you showed the videos of..

The talent is excellent at the moment, individually they are very gifted and have immense potential as characters such as the bearded stable (Wyatt Family) but talents like them are booked like absolute trash and that's what ultimately limits them in terms of their main-event potential. Back then everyone got to shine and thrived in a roster with great depth where everyone was able to showcase their best in terms of mic ability and in-ring skills; they also benefited from a lack of script, things now are heavily scripted and there's a lot more scrutiny given the nature of the product environment but that is still no excuse for a lack of creative expression on the writers part and their relationship with the wrestlers which is supposed to ensure compelling TV.

 

[leatherface58]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]

Did you see Joe's insane promo against Heyman? Joe came off as an absolute killer and if he is built as an equal to Brock and not just someone to get squashed, it will be a very good feud.

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]

Did you see Joe's insane promo against Heyman? Joe came off as an absolute killer and if he is built as an equal to Brock and not just someone to get squashed, it will be a very good feud.

I just watched it now my friend! OMG it was 2005 all over again! that is the Joe we've all wanted for a long time, I loved the bit where he dropped the mic and was speaking to Heyman describing what he was going to do and even the smarks began to boo him! great heat that! I pray somehow Joe goes over if not comes out looking like Austin in his match against Bret Hart at mania 13, what do you think are his chances! am so hyped! #ThankYouVinnyMac this is like a mania main-event being given to us, HUGE!

 

[shaz619]

 

[big_gamer007]

[MENTION=95766]leatherface58[/MENTION] [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] [MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION] [MENTION=141093]big_gamer007[/MENTION]

Samoa Joe won an excellent/entertaining main-event at extreme rules to earn a title shot against one of the biggest stars ever in the WWE, BROCK LESNAR!

I just can't help but feel so happy for Joe, am tearing up! have been a big fan of his ever since his beastly run in ROH during the early 2000's he was one of my favourites along with AJ Styles, Bryan Danielson and CM Punk. For guys like us who've followed him on this journey know how far he has come and all the obstacles he had to jump over, the man has paid his dues and completely deserves his current position.

I know it would have been nice to have a prime Joe from 10 years ago in the WWE but trust me he can still go in the ring ! credit to WWE for pulling the trigger on this now because neither Brock or Joe are getting any younger so great move. It's a dream match I've wanted to see for a long time and I suspect that Joe got his chance after Braun Strowman got injured who I believe was slated to face Lesnar for the world title.

Anyhow I hope Joe goes over and we finally get the pay off to a wonderful career which began in 1999! Samoa Joe has the legitimacy in terms of his Judo Background, character and skillset to be believably go over Lesnar and it would not be a bad move at all but am guessing the E are saving Lesnar for Reigns. Anyhow it will still be great to see Joe in the top spot even if he does not win but hopefully they book the match on a level playing field where Joe is more then competitive so the defeat is not damaging.

I am very happy for samoa joe I followed him when I used to watch TNA when it was actually good and he impressed me a lot.. He is a legit fighter and wrestles excellently.. He and AJ styles along with Christopher Daniels and americas most wanted (tag team) were the ones I knew would make big if they ever come to WWE.. Where did the other two go [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]? Hope WWE signs up Daniels and AMW as well..

A match against Brock lesnar will be really good if only lesnar goes away from his stupid suplex city gimmick I am a huge fan of lesnar but he needs to start wrestling now against opponent like Samoa joe and not just squash him with 20 supplexes..

How has WWE built up Samoa? Back in TNA he was built up like an unbeatable heel who was on a run of never being defeated ever similar to like Goldberg in WCW.. I hope he is built up like a strong heel who fans believe can have a legit chance against lesnar...

 

[big_gamer007]

The talent is excellent at the moment, individually they are very gifted and have immense potential as characters such as the bearded stable (Wyatt Family) but talents like them are booked like absolute trash and that's what ultimately limits them in terms of their main-event potential. Back then everyone got to shine and thrived in a roster with great depth where everyone was able to showcase their best in terms of mic ability and in-ring skills; they also benefited from a lack of script, things now are heavily scripted and there's a lot more scrutiny given the nature of the product environment but that is still no excuse for a lack of creative expression on the writers part and their relationship with the wrestlers which is supposed to ensure compelling TV.

You know what WWE needs to do? They should go away from scripts and bring back the greatest unscripted promo master of all times and my favourite "big poppa pump" Scott Steiner... All his freaks will rally up behind him and WWE will be great again

 

[ToeCrusher2]

You know what WWE needs to do? They should go away from scripts and bring back the greatest unscripted promo master of all times and my favourite "big poppa pump" Scott Steiner... All his freaks will rally up behind him and WWE will be great again

Yeah, nah, he came back on impact wrestling recently and it was the most cringeworthy comebacks ever

 

[Bilal7]

I just want my Shield reunion followed by a triple threat at Wrestlemania for the Universal Title.

 

[shaz619]

I am very happy for samoa joe I followed him when I used to watch TNA when it was actually good and he impressed me a lot.. He is a legit fighter and wrestles excellently.. He and AJ styles along with Christopher Daniels and americas most wanted (tag team) were the ones I knew would make big if they ever come to WWE.. Where did the other two go [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]? Hope WWE signs up Daniels and AMW as well..

A match against Brock lesnar will be really good if only lesnar goes away from his stupid suplex city gimmick I am a huge fan of lesnar but he needs to start wrestling now against opponent like Samoa joe and not just squash him with 20 supplexes..

How has WWE built up Samoa? Back in TNA he was built up like an unbeatable heel who was on a run of never being defeated ever similar to like Goldberg in WCW.. I hope he is built up like a strong heel who fans believe can have a legit chance against lesnar...

Daniels finally became world champion recently! in ROH, couldn't happen to a nicer guy and he deserves it, loved his fallen angel character. Bobby Roode is signed to NXT's WWE brand and is doing quiet well, the others are working the independent scene. I agree I hope they book the match competitively because Joe is an elite talent, see the video in post 5154 to see how WWE have been booking Joe

 

[shaz619]

I just want my Shield reunion followed by a triple threat at Wrestlemania for the Universal Title.

They had their triple threat at payback last year did you watch that? Also, JOE v LESNAR!!!! HYPE!

 

[shaz619]

You know what WWE needs to do? They should go away from scripts and bring back the greatest unscripted promo master of all times and my favourite "big poppa pump" Scott Steiner... All his freaks will rally up behind him and WWE will be great again

Big poppa pump! do you remember when Stacy Keibler was his manager? dayum!

 

[aloo paratha]

Ah, why have I only seen this thread now??

 

[Bilal7]

They had their triple threat at payback last year did you watch that? Also, JOE v LESNAR!!!! HYPE!

I did but FEED ME MOAR!

That fight was so awesome. Some wrestlers look and act like total badass fighters and Samoa Joe is one of them. That scowl on his face when he was walking down that ring and then the little nod of acknowledgment and respect he gave to Brock before bashing him in the chest was 100% testosterone.

 

[shaz619]

I did but FEED ME MOAR!

That fight was so awesome. Some wrestlers look and act like total badass fighters and Samoa Joe is one of them. That scowl on his face when he was walking down that ring and then the little nod of acknowledgment and respect he gave to Brock before bashing him in the chest was 100% testosterone.

That was awesome, I hope Lesnar does not take the mick and displays laziness; he usually stands up when he respects his opponent and Joe deserves his respect, hope the match lives up to the phenomenal build so far! loved Joe choking Heyman and then superkicking Lesnar loved that brawl

 

[big_gamer007]

Daniels finally became world champion recently! in ROH, couldn't happen to a nicer guy and he deserves it, loved his fallen angel character. Bobby Roode is signed to NXT's WWE brand and is doing quiet well, the others are working the independent scene. I agree I hope they book the match competitively because Joe is an elite talent, see the video in post 5154 to see how WWE have been booking Joe

Good for them they were talented guys and made TNA a better product than WWE during their peak..

I saw lesnar vs joe this week on raw and they have booked joe like a legit challenger, loved it.. All the wrestlers coming out to stop them from beating the hell out of each other.. Security being beaten up by both guys just like old times..

I only hope they don't disappoint in the actual match where lesnar crushes joe, hope they have a competitive match and Joe can legit come close to winning..

 

[big_gamer007]

Big poppa pump! do you remember when Stacy Keibler was his manager? dayum!

Haha yea man but WWE wasted Steiner after WCW died.. Watch his promos on YouTube during his WCW days he used to talk so unscripted crap was funny.. All the steroids made him crazy I think..

In WWE iirc hhh buried him so wasn't a good run..

 

[Suleiman]

Started watching a bit again since a self enforced hiatus after Punk quit, since they decided to give a title shot to a fresh face in Jinder. Randy is very boring glad he lost, and who is this jobber Roman Rain, I only know of CT semi final winner Rumman Raees.

 

[Aman]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] AJ Styles is incredible, just when you think you've seen it all this guy flips the script.

Seriously feels like he can stop time at times...

Showed his phenomenal upper body strength to hold on and climb the rope for the case as well

 

[shaz619]

2K doing a better job booking Seth then WWE creative

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[shaz619]

Smackdown ratings have declined since the strap was put on Jinder Mahal and now Battleground has been struggling to sell out, I wanted to give the guy a chance but unfortunately he lacks creativity, his promos are one dimensional / repetitive and there is zero character development [MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION]

Anyhow they only put the strap on him due to the tour of India later this year so chances are Jinder won't be walking into Wrestlemania as world champion.

On the plus side Smackdown tag division, women division and upper mid card have all been excellent and entertaining, the main-event scene needs sorting but we'll have to wait until Jinder's run comes to an end. SummerSlam is shaping up to be an excellent card, the main-event most likely will be Braun v Lesnar v Joe v Reigns, I predicted it after GBOF PPV! Sasha / Bliss 2 will also feature and the two have great chemistry.

As far as Smackdown matches for SummerSlam are concerned Jinder will get to work with Cena most likely, it would do his run a world of good because Cena has that ability to have good matches with everyone. There have been whispers that Styles could face Nakamura but am not so sure personally.

 

[shaz619]

Your typical Jinder promo every week:

"

You hate me because I am brown

There are 1 billion people in India

You hate diversity, America is in decay

Now let me address my people in my awful punjabi

afhafkhakhafihfelhfasfnaklfa akfha'fhiafakfhasf askfhaslfsa

*Snarls* *Growls* *Walks away*

#Repeat

"
[MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION] [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] [MENTION=95766]leatherface58[/MENTION] I never thought I'd say this but I rather have Kenny Omega hold our richest prize in professional wrestling !

The guy is a damn insult to all the people who have held on to that title, even The Mizz did quiet well for himself and was convincing as a heel

 

[Adil_94]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] totally agree Jinder is a one dimensional cartoony heel that has no place in this era.

he is average in the ring average on the mic. The only outstanding thing about him is his physical condition which is obvious why Vince n HHH have fallen in love with him.

Its a joke to see Rusev who is a million miles better than Jinder treated like an after thought while Jinder is elevated to the top.

I was willing to give him a chance but he cuts the same promo every week and has made the main event scene on SD awful. Hes made the wwe title the most irrelevant its been since its inception.

He needs to lose the title ASAP and drop down to the midcard to work on his promos his character and his in ring work.

Not good enough to be the face of SD when u have AJ Nakamura Cena K.O on the same brand.

And also the Queen Charlotte.

But this love for Indian money will drive SD into the dumps.

 

[Adil_94]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] Miz is such an untouchable performer right now nearly every segment hes in is entertaining. Hes at his peak and id love for him to be the wwe champ on SD. Hes killing it on RAW but with their stacked main event scene he will never be able to go for the Universal Title. Done a fine job of elevating the I.C title though and made it relevant again.

 

[Hasan123]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] Miz is such an untouchable performer right now nearly every segment hes in is entertaining. Hes at his peak and id love for him to be the wwe champ on SD. Hes killing it on RAW but with their stacked main event scene he will never be able to go for the Universal Title. Done a fine job of elevating the I.C title though and made it relevant again.

Jinder should have been pushed as a mid carder before being given the strap. Miz should have stayed on smackdown and been given tittle run.

 

[Hasan123]

Kurt Angles announcement was a bit of a let down. These type of storylines are weird but hopefully Jordan gets a push. Enjoying the battle between Seth,Dean,and The Miz for the IC belt. Also will be glad to see a fatal 4 way match for the Universal Tittle.

KO vs AJ has been an enjoyable feud. Will be interesting to see who AJ feuds with for the US championship, don't think it will be Nakamura.

Not enjoying Jinder as champion. Hopefully he loses it soon. Think he will be Orton in the punjabi prison match. Seems as though Cena will be his next feud. Cena will put on some good matches with him but it won't be enough to get Jinder over. WWE creative are a joke for promoting Jinder over Wyatt and Miz. Wyatt seems lost in the shuffle on raw and The Miz won't get a UC run with the stacked card.

 

[leatherface58]

Your typical Jinder promo every week:

"

You hate me because I am brown

There are 1 billion people in India

You hate diversity, America is in decay

Now let me address my people in my awful punjabi

afhafkhakhafihfelhfasfnaklfa akfha'fhiafakfhasf askfhaslfsa

*Snarls* *Growls* *Walks away*

#Repeat

"
[MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION] [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] [MENTION=95766]leatherface58[/MENTION] I never thought I'd say this but I rather have Kenny Omega hold our richest prize in professional wrestling !

The guy is a damn insult to all the people who have held on to that title, even The Mizz did quiet well for himself and was convincing as a heel

Miz was a terrible WWE Champion. He was the 3rd most important person in the 1-on-1 Wrestlemania main event he was in. He had boring matches all around except for his match with Lawler and the cage match with Cena and Morrison.

Jinder is not a great champion but that is mainly because of the complete lack of build before he won the title. His promos are extremely stale but the crowd boos him and cheers Orton. I am tired of this anti-American heel shtick but it surprisingly works. I still think AJ, Nakamura, Owens should be in the WWE Title picture but if they are being used to elevate the US Title, I don't mind.

 

[Aman]

Tickets for Battleground are half price, IIRC it's in Philly too )

It's that bad [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] )

 

[shaz619]

Miz was a terrible WWE Champion. He was the 3rd most important person in the 1-on-1 Wrestlemania main event he was in. He had boring matches all around except for his match with Lawler and the cage match with Cena and Morrison.

Jinder is not a great champion but that is mainly because of the complete lack of build before he won the title. His promos are extremely stale but the crowd boos him and cheers Orton. I am tired of this anti-American heel shtick but it surprisingly works. I still think AJ, Nakamura, Owens should be in the WWE Title picture but if they are being used to elevate the US Title, I don't mind.

Absolutely false, Mizz was booked as a terrible champion; there's a difference, even John Cena was extremely green during the initial phase of his championship reign but that can be forgiven so long your character is not one dimensional and you're able to cut decent promos and The Mizz did an excellent job as a heel which is why he was trusted to main-event wrestlemania even though it was annoying his entire reign was booked as him being the third wheel. But as [MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION] and [MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION] point out he'd actually make a decent world champion if he was still on Smackdown, unfortunately there isn't as much of a lack of depth on RAW on the upper card and they need The Mizz to elevate the IC title once again

Jinder is the worst WWE Champion in history and it's nothing to do with a lack of build before he won the title but it is to do with a lack of ability, people don't boo him because he's excellent at getting cheap sterotypical heat but because he's god awful and they're ashamed to be in the arena during his segments; he has a very small shelf life with the repetitive shtick he is limited to and such a stale performer can't really be monetised in the long run, and it is not working because Smackdown ratings went from competing with RAW to declining before PPV's like battleground this sunday are struggling to sell out! [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] just pointed out they are not selling them at half price! believe you me they will be handing out free tickets hours before the event.

 

[shaz619]

Kurt Angles announcement was a bit of a let down. These type of storylines are weird but hopefully Jordan gets a push. Enjoying the battle between Seth,Dean,and The Miz for the IC belt. Also will be glad to see a fatal 4 way match for the Universal Tittle.

KO vs AJ has been an enjoyable feud. Will be interesting to see who AJ feuds with for the US championship, don't think it will be Nakamura.

Not enjoying Jinder as champion. Hopefully he loses it soon. Think he will be Orton in the punjabi prison match. Seems as though Cena will be his next feud. Cena will put on some good matches with him but it won't be enough to get Jinder over. WWE creative are a joke for promoting Jinder over Wyatt and Miz. Wyatt seems lost in the shuffle on raw and The Miz won't get a UC run with the stacked card.

I suppose they could have dragged it out a bit for a big reveal but such angles have been done before, this time they just cut to the chase and am cool with that because I now want to see where they go with this, Jason Jordon and Chad Gable are both extremely talented with amateur wrestling backgrounds; they transitioned to pro wrestling really well and had a great run in NXT although things could have been a bit better for American Alpha on SD, both have the potential to be very successful singles stars and we've only just scratched the surface with them, not only are they great in the ring they also have personality.

Watch American Alpha vs The Revival at NXT Takeover Dallas to see how good they are and more recently Chad Gable had an excellent match with AJ Styles, it was an incredible performance when you look at how inexperienced he is!

Did you watch the opening segment on RAW, Seth and Dean have not been so interesting in months!

What I'd like to see now is, Ambrose turn on Seth and FINALLY turn Heel, he's had his ups and downs as a face but generally has done quiet well for himself but boy oh boy you just have no idea what this man is capable of as a Heel it just comes so naturally to him, check out his stuff from CZW.

Or They could reunite the Shield but I don't think it's required at the moment, another possibility is having Seth turn on Ambrose again but we've been there and done that so no point. Ambrose turning heel will not only be a good move for him but it would finally allow Seth's baby face run to catch fire, am still annoyed that he hasn't really carved out a unique persona; Seth frikkin Rollins does not count, even WWE 2K did a better job booking him in a segment they aired featuring Seth to hype their game, he needs an identity; we got that in the Shield but am not quiet sure now, Ambrose is the lunatic fringe, Reigns is the big dawg / THE GUY; what is Seth ?

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] totally agree Jinder is a one dimensional cartoony heel that has no place in this era.

he is average in the ring average on the mic. The only outstanding thing about him is his physical condition which is obvious why Vince n HHH have fallen in love with him.

Its a joke to see Rusev who is a million miles better than Jinder treated like an after thought while Jinder is elevated to the top.

I was willing to give him a chance but he cuts the same promo every week and has made the main event scene on SD awful. Hes made the wwe title the most irrelevant its been since its inception.

He needs to lose the title ASAP and drop down to the midcard to work on his promos his character and his in ring work.

Not good enough to be the face of SD when u have AJ Nakamura Cena K.O on the same brand.

And also the Queen Charlotte.

But this love for Indian money will drive SD into the dumps.

I really feel sorry for Russev, I've read reports he has some heat backstage as well but Vince was willing to have him go over for the title on SD; the man has a lot of personality and for his size is terrific in the ring. But plans changed when TNA decided to tour India and Vince couldn't allow them to maximise their profits there given how competitive he is even when there is no real competition! so he decided to Tour India and Jinder happened to be roided up and big, just how he loves his main-eventer's! Jinder at first was fine but I don't watch his segments anymore because I literally see the same shtick every week it's so awful and business is starting to suffer but once the India tour is over, Jinder's reign will be on thin ice. But as The Ryback pointed out recently that he finds it bizzare where this cash cow is in India from the WWE's perspective

 

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Tickets for Battleground are half price, IIRC it's in Philly too )

It's that bad [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] )

Terrible, have no words

 

[Hasan123]

I suppose they could have dragged it out a bit for a big reveal but such angles have been done before, this time they just cut to the chase and am cool with that because I now want to see where they go with this, Jason Jordon and Chad Gable are both extremely talented with amateur wrestling backgrounds; they transitioned to pro wrestling really well and had a great run in NXT although things could have been a bit better for American Alpha on SD, both have the potential to be very successful singles stars and we've only just scratched the surface with them, not only are they great in the ring they also have personality.

Watch American Alpha vs The Revival at NXT Takeover Dallas to see how good they are and more recently Chad Gable had an excellent match with AJ Styles, it was an incredible performance when you look at how inexperienced he is!

Did you watch the opening segment on RAW, Seth and Dean have not been so interesting in months!

What I'd like to see now is, Ambrose turn on Seth and FINALLY turn Heel, he's had his ups and downs as a face but generally has done quiet well for himself but boy oh boy you just have no idea what this man is capable of as a Heel it just comes so naturally to him, check out his stuff from CZW.

Or They could reunite the Shield but I don't think it's required at the moment, another possibility is having Seth turn on Ambrose again but we've been there and done that so no point. Ambrose turning heel will not only be a good move for him but it would finally allow Seth's baby face run to catch fire, am still annoyed that he hasn't really carved out a unique persona; Seth frikkin Rollins does not count, even WWE 2K did a better job booking him in a segment they aired featuring Seth to hype their game, he needs an identity; we got that in the Shield but am not quiet sure now, Ambrose is the lunatic fringe, Reigns is the big dawg / THE GUY; what is Seth ?

Yes both are talanted wrestlers I don't have a problem with them getting a push. Just not a fan of this storyline. I would have preferred for Kurt to manage them both for a while and take them under his wing like he did with the worlds greatest tag team. If Jordan is going to be pushed it shouldn't be rushed like Jinder was. Slowly work his way up.

Yes that segment was brilliant, I am really looking forward to the triple threat at SummerSlam.


Yes Dean should turn heel, he has become really stale as a face. He's not booked as a lunatic and as a face he cracks way to many jokes. As a heel I think he should be booked as a lunatic. Heel Dean vs face Seth would be really interesting . I think a potential feud between the 2 could elevate them as they have both become stale. Since Seth has become face he hasn't really faced a heel who is really hated. Wyatt and Joe are booked as heels but they are still cheered for. I think facing the miz will help get Seth over with the crowd. Then Dean eventually turning on him during this feud will be enough to get him over. Dean could say he's over what happened than out of nowhere just turn on Seth.

Don't want to see a shield reunion yet.

 

[shaz619]

Yes both are talanted wrestlers I don't have a problem with them getting a push. Just not a fan of this storyline. I would have preferred for Kurt to manage them both for a while and take them under his wing like he did with the worlds greatest tag team. If Jordan is going to be pushed it shouldn't be rushed like Jinder was. Slowly work his way up.

Yes that segment was brilliant, I am really looking forward to the triple threat at SummerSlam.


Yes Dean should turn heel, he has become really stale as a face. He's not booked as a lunatic and as a face he cracks way to many jokes. As a heel I think he should be booked as a lunatic. Heel Dean vs face Seth would be really interesting . I think a potential feud between the 2 could elevate them as they have both become stale. Since Seth has become face he hasn't really faced a heel who is really hated. Wyatt and Joe are booked as heels but they are still cheered for. I think facing the miz will help get Seth over with the crowd. Then Dean eventually turning on him during this feud will be enough to get him over. Dean could say he's over what happened than out of nowhere just turn on Seth.

Don't want to see a shield reunion yet.

On the surface it might seem a bit weird but Kurt is a legend at making such angles work he sold it like a champ in the post raw interview you wouldn't be able to tell Jordan is not his son lmao It's an interesting dynamic and one which is not done unless you have a legit relation, outside Kane/Taker/Paul-Bearer creative have not really pushed such an angle but that's just one of the examples where it worked. Both Jordan and Angle are former free-style wrestlers and with Kurt being involved in various explicit angles in the past the storyline is jutified in the confines of kayfabe because Kurt likes to get frisky

That would have been an option, Kurt once formed Team Angle with Benjamin / Hass and it worked then; I think they may not have wanted to recycle that storyline but this presents them an oppourtunity to establish both as singles stars. Going by Gable's match with AJ and mic work we can see that he'll do fine on his own and with Kurt by Jordan's side; it ought to give him a boost. I doubt they will rush Jordan tbh the main-event on RAW is stacked at the moment, he will work from the mid-card hopefully and feud with The Mizz eventually who is great at elevating new guys

Dean overall had a successful face run, remained one of the top merch sellers in the company and I enjoyed his run every time he wasn't too goofy but at times it did work but for someone that a face persona doesn't come naturally to him I though he did a terrific job but a heel turn right now would be perfect timing, I can see him turning on Seth at SummerSlam. Seth has disappointed me, I expected him to thrive as a face but things just haven't clicked and while I agree that working with the right opponent can help he needs an identity; Steve Austin pointed it out on his podcast a while back, you had HHH come out on his bike at mania looking absolutely bad@ss then you have Seth come out with a torch looking like the b word lol he needs a proper gimmick, in the Shield I digged him as face; anyhow what I have noticed in recent months though is his in-ring work is incredibly improved! especially his selling, needs a stronger finisher though; wish he could still use the curb stomp

Have no words about how poor they are booking Wyatt I give up on him now, his promos, in-ring work everything were on fire in the lead up to elimination chamber PPV and that smackdown night after when he cut a brilliant promo; he had momentum, the right script and amazing delivery but 50/50 booking has ruined him sadly

 

[Hasan123]

On the surface it might seem a bit weird but Kurt is a legend at making such angles work he sold it like a champ in the post raw interview you wouldn't be able to tell Jordan is not his son lmao It's an interesting dynamic and one which is not done unless you have a legit relation, outside Kane/Taker/Paul-Bearer creative have not really pushed such an angle but that's just one of the examples where it worked. Both Jordan and Angle are former free-style wrestlers and with Kurt being involved in various explicit angles in the past the storyline is jutified in the confines of kayfabe because Kurt likes to get frisky

That would have been an option, Kurt once formed Team Angle with Benjamin / Hass and it worked then; I think they may not have wanted to recycle that storyline but this presents them an oppourtunity to establish both as singles stars. Going by Gable's match with AJ and mic work we can see that he'll do fine on his own and with Kurt by Jordan's side; it ought to give him a boost. I doubt they will rush Jordan tbh the main-event on RAW is stacked at the moment, he will work from the mid-card hopefully and feud with The Mizz eventually who is great at elevating new guys

Dean overall had a successful face run, remained one of the top merch sellers in the company and I enjoyed his run every time he wasn't too goofy but at times it did work but for someone that a face persona doesn't come naturally to him I though he did a terrific job but a heel turn right now would be perfect timing, I can see him turning on Seth at SummerSlam. Seth has disappointed me, I expected him to thrive as a face but things just haven't clicked and while I agree that working with the right opponent can help he needs an identity; Steve Austin pointed it out on his podcast a while back, you had HHH come out on his bike at mania looking absolutely bad@ss then you have Seth come out with a torch looking like the b word lol he needs a proper gimmick, in the Shield I digged him as face; anyhow what I have noticed in recent months though is his in-ring work is incredibly improved! especially his selling, needs a stronger finisher though; wish he could still use the curb stomp

Have no words about how poor they are booking Wyatt I give up on him now, his promos, in-ring work everything were on fire in the lead up to elimination chamber PPV and that smackdown night after when he cut a brilliant promo; he had momentum, the right script and amazing delivery but 50/50 booking has ruined him sadly

Its a weird storyline. It will be interesting to see who Jordan feuds with first. I think he will start of as a face due to Kurts popularity and also because of his days in NXT.

You talk about not wanting to recycle old storylines but this is something which WWE do anyway. So I don't see why they didn't do it here. Also there aren't many great factions in wwe. Having Angle with AA could have changed that. Weirdly enough this storyline with Angle and Jordan has given some limelight to Chad. He looked good vs AJ. Want to see him get more of a chance on smackdown. AA were used poorly on smackdown after an initial good start.

When Dean was hot creative missed the chance to put the strap on him . They delayed it and by then Dean's momentum had gone down. He had a decent run as a face but he's gone stale and as you have mentioned he is better as a heel. There are more options with him as a heel. He could feud with Rollins, Finn, and one of the hardys once he is a heel.

Seth has been a let down as a face but I think the superstars he has faced since he became face haven't helped. "The man" gimmick really worked when he was a heel, need something similar than his face run will prosper. I'll back Seth to come good. He's one of my favourites in WWE today. He has the backing of the creative and Vince as well. Maybe putting the IC belt on him and having him feud with a heel Dean will help.

Not sure if WWE will turn Dean heel. They have had him as a face for a while.

Wyatt didn't even get 50/50 booking. Again he had the momentum then WWE booking killed it off by having him lose to Orton . His work before that was brilliant. He would have been a much better champion than Jinder.

If he was to leave WWE , he will probably be utilised better.

 

[shaz619]

Its a weird storyline. It will be interesting to see who Jordan feuds with first. I think he will start of as a face due to Kurts popularity and also because of his days in NXT.

You talk about not wanting to recycle old storylines but this is something which WWE do anyway. So I don't see why they didn't do it here. Also there aren't many great factions in wwe. Having Angle with AA could have changed that. Weirdly enough this storyline with Angle and Jordan has given some limelight to Chad. He looked good vs AJ. Want to see him get more of a chance on smackdown. AA were used poorly on smackdown after an initial good start.

When Dean was hot creative missed the chance to put the strap on him . They delayed it and by then Dean's momentum had gone down. He had a decent run as a face but he's gone stale and as you have mentioned he is better as a heel. There are more options with him as a heel. He could feud with Rollins, Finn, and one of the hardys once he is a heel.

Seth has been a let down as a face but I think the superstars he has faced since he became face haven't helped. "The man" gimmick really worked when he was a heel, need something similar than his face run will prosper. I'll back Seth to come good. He's one of my favourites in WWE today. He has the backing of the creative and Vince as well. Maybe putting the IC belt on him and having him feud with a heel Dean will help.

Not sure if WWE will turn Dean heel. They have had him as a face for a while.

Wyatt didn't even get 50/50 booking. Again he had the momentum then WWE booking killed it off by having him lose to Orton . His work before that was brilliant. He would have been a much better champion than Jinder.

If he was to leave WWE , he will probably be utilised better.

Every promotion recycle stories but here it would have been too predictable as well, it has been speculated since Kurt returned and with Kurt being on RAW it wouldn't have been possible especially with them taking the authority and Mick off TV for various reasons so they needed a GM.

This is the first time in a long while where after a tag team breakup both stars futures look promising, Chad had a great outing with AJ then followed it this week with a solid pre taped interview with Rene as did Jordan; both are so compatible when the mic is given to them or when the camera is on. I always saw Jordan in the mould of early 2000's Lesnar and Gable in the mould of Angle; dont mind this break up at all.

Yeah I liked Seth as a heel especially when he was champ, but then grew stale; The Architect heel persona was great. Needs a better face persona now and his promo this week was good, I think Dean will he has to in order to freshen things up, Vince may be concerned about the merch but Ambrose can be in a great draw in other ways to.

You follow the pakistani mustafa ali? Exceptional in ring ability, surely he will take the strap off Neville; he is a level above the others in the CW division which could be booked better

 

[Hasan123]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]


I want to know who Kurt will face when he returns to the ring. He can face Triple H but don't want them to have too many matches. Hope he faces AJ or Seth.

It would have been nice for them to have been used more as a tag team before the split.

He will be good as face as his move set also suits being a face as well. WWE has enough superstars to make merchandise profit , I wouldn't worry about that.

I don't follow the cruiseweight division tbh. But have seen bits of Neville and he is very impressive. Heel run has changed his career. Always been a fan of his, glad to see him doing well.

Also have you hear about Shelton possibly returning? Would love to see AJ vs Shelton.

 

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@<a href="http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/member.php?u=46929" target="_blank">shaz619</a>


I want to know who Kurt will face when he returns to the ring. He can face Triple H but don't want them to have too many matches. Hope he faces AJ or Seth.

It would have been nice for them to have been used more as a tag team before the split.

He will be good as face as his move set also suits being a face as well. WWE has enough superstars to make merchandise profit , I wouldn't worry about that.

I don't follow the cruiseweight division tbh. But have seen bits of Neville and he is very impressive. Heel run has changed his career. Always been a fan of his, glad to see him doing well.

Also have you hear about Shelton possibly returning? Would love to see AJ vs Shelton.

Triple H has been the long rumoured opponent with tiny whispers that it could be Seth as well, but given HHH's history initiating part-timers upon they return I think he is the most likely opponent. If am honest it doesn't excite me because I've seen the match dozens of times but it would be special to see Kurt back in the ring regardless. As it stands Kurt probably is likely to face someone on RAW so AJ is unlikely sadly. But I wouldn't mind these matches:

Kurt Angle vs Roman Reigns, Styles make fights !
Kurt Angle vs Cesaro
Kurt Angle vs Seth Rollins
Kurt Angle vs Samoa Joe
Kurt Angle vs Brock Lesnar

WWE are really big on merchandise sales, it's one of their biggest $$$$ generators and gives an indication of your place on the card; there are stars who sell merch quiet well but not on the level of upper card stars and with Ambrose being one of the best sellers in the company they'd need something big to justify the switch. Samoa Joe's WWE contract was prolonged because his merch would sell out within days, initially he was expected to remain in NXT to help elevate the development talent; AJ would make a similar impact with his T-Shirts selling incredibly well the moment he made his WWE debut.

Match of the year candidate for me:

And this was 2 weeks ago when Ali was working with Neville:

Man this guy is incredibly special in the ring, there are moments where I look at him and am like wow he reminds me of a young AJ Styles. Am also convinced that he will work a program with Jinder during the India tour to play of the India v Pak rivalry. The way Ali has been going in recent times I think it's only a matter of time before he wins the CW championship from Neville, HHH is high on Ali although am not sure what his relation is like with Vince; HHH scouted Ali for the Cruserweight Classic Tournament last year that was outstanding, I hoped they would book 205 live in similar fashion but it hasn't been the case.

Current outstanding WWE contracted wrestlers who are underated:

Birmingham's own Pete Dunne
Tyler Bate
Bobby Roode
Mustafa Ali
Asuka
Alceister Black
Almas
Drew Mcyntyre
Kasius Ohno

Watch out for these guys, the talent of Dunn and Bate is out of this world when you look at how young they are; that match they had at the NXT takeover in Chicago I think was incredible.

Shelton has been expected to return for a long time but injury has delayed that unfortunately, I still expect him to return when we least expect it; also, Rey Mysterio's Lucha contract expires in September and then he would be free to compete after 90 days for any other promotion. Providing Lucha do not extend his contract, he could end up in TNA, GFW or maybe even the WWE !! I hope and pray that HHH goes all out to get him back but am not sure because Rey never left WWE on the best of terms. Carlito has also expressed interest providing the money is right and he's another world class talent, WWE should look to scout MVP as well.

With AJ Styles as the US champion, I'd have the likes of Shelton Benjamin, MVP, Carlito and Rey Mysterio return by answering his US open challenge. AJ v Rey has been my dream match for decades, they fought in an indie promotion in England in 2015 but it was not televised or recorded

 

[Hasan123]

Triple H has been the long rumoured opponent with tiny whispers that it could be Seth as well, but given HHH's history initiating part-timers upon they return I think he is the most likely opponent. If am honest it doesn't excite me because I've seen the match dozens of times but it would be special to see Kurt back in the ring regardless. As it stands Kurt probably is likely to face someone on RAW so AJ is unlikely sadly. But I wouldn't mind these matches:

Kurt Angle vs Roman Reigns, Styles make fights !
Kurt Angle vs Cesaro
Kurt Angle vs Seth Rollins
Kurt Angle vs Samoa Joe
Kurt Angle vs Brock Lesnar

WWE are really big on merchandise sales, it's one of their biggest $$$$ generators and gives an indication of your place on the card; there are stars who sell merch quiet well but not on the level of upper card stars and with Ambrose being one of the best sellers in the company they'd need something big to justify the switch. Samoa Joe's WWE contract was prolonged because his merch would sell out within days, initially he was expected to remain in NXT to help elevate the development talent; AJ would make a similar impact with his T-Shirts selling incredibly well the moment he made his WWE debut.

Match of the year candidate for me:

And this was 2 weeks ago when Ali was working with Neville:

Man this guy is incredibly special in the ring, there are moments where I look at him and am like wow he reminds me of a young AJ Styles. Am also convinced that he will work a program with Jinder during the India tour to play of the India v Pak rivalry. The way Ali has been going in recent times I think it's only a matter of time before he wins the CW championship from Neville, HHH is high on Ali although am not sure what his relation is like with Vince; HHH scouted Ali for the Cruserweight Classic Tournament last year that was outstanding, I hoped they would book 205 live in similar fashion but it hasn't been the case.

Current outstanding WWE contracted wrestlers who are underated:

Birmingham's own Pete Dunne
Tyler Bate
Bobby Roode
Mustafa Ali
Asuka
Alceister Black
Almas
Drew Mcyntyre
Kasius Ohno

Watch out for these guys, the talent of Dunn and Bate is out of this world when you look at how young they are; that match they had at the NXT takeover in Chicago I think was incredible.

Shelton has been expected to return for a long time but injury has delayed that unfortunately, I still expect him to return when we least expect it; also, Rey Mysterio's Lucha contract expires in September and then he would be free to compete after 90 days for any other promotion. Providing Lucha do not extend his contract, he could end up in TNA, GFW or maybe even the WWE !! I hope and pray that HHH goes all out to get him back but am not sure because Rey never left WWE on the best of terms. Carlito has also expressed interest providing the money is right and he's another world class talent, WWE should look to scout MVP as well.

With AJ Styles as the US champion, I'd have the likes of Shelton Benjamin, MVP, Carlito and Rey Mysterio return by answering his US open challenge. AJ v Rey has been my dream match for decades, they fought in an indie promotion in England in 2015 but it was not televised or recorded

Another reason for him to face HHH is that he is a safe worker. It's unlikely that Angle will sustain any injury versus HHH and vice versa. But as you have said this match has happened before and it doesn't really excite me. Angle vs aj could easily happen as a cross brand promotional match. The list you have compiled there is interesting , would much prefer to see Kurt fight those superstars then fight HHH again.

Appollo cruise is also underrated and under-utilised .


Can Rey sustain working modern day WWE program? Him and Vince can work things out but I worry weather his body can last. More then likely he'll end up at TNA. Hopefully Shelton returns and is on smackdown. Although he could put on good matches with Seth, The Miz, Roman, so would really like to see him back.

 

[shaz619]

Another reason for him to face HHH is that he is a safe worker. It's unlikely that Angle will sustain any injury versus HHH and vice versa. But as you have said this match has happened before and it doesn't really excite me. Angle vs aj could easily happen as a cross brand promotional match. The list you have compiled there is interesting , would much prefer to see Kurt fight those superstars then fight HHH again.

Appollo cruise is also underrated and under-utilised .


Can Rey sustain working modern day WWE program? Him and Vince can work things out but I worry weather his body can last. More then likely he'll end up at TNA. Hopefully Shelton returns and is on smackdown. Although he could put on good matches with Seth, The Miz, Roman, so would really like to see him back.

Kurt is a safe worker who will be alright with anyone, his biggest enemy is Kurt himself; he can find it hard to tone down his intensity in the ring, being an Olympian it has been a challenge throughout his career anyhow he's not going to be wrestling frequently so I think he'll be fine and now the focus will be on him passing the WWE medical later in the year, that will be a huge challenge for him given how battle wounded his body is. The guy has broken his neck like 6 times and other injuries have taken it's toll, he's always in pain but has made great strides in taking care of himself better, you seriously need to watch the WWE24 Documentary on Kurt Angle which came out a few weeks ago, it's the greatest original production WWE have ever produced imo and deserves an Emmy nomination, let me know what you think after you watched it

Problem with Apollo is personality but I felt they were onto something with Titus as his manager but then they proceeded to book him like a jobber, he's excellent in the ring though

If Rey came back no way would I have him on a full time schedule, he'd have to be treated as a part-timer to ensure his longevity; Rey is a big merch puller and the possibilities to utilize him beyond the ring are endless, I'd still have him wrestle but infrequently during big events.

 

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What a lousy PPV damn!

I skipped 6-7 because of Game of Thrones and apparently made the right call. The Tag title match was awesome. Jinder vs Orton was boring except for the insane bump one of the Singh minions took and the return of THE GREAT KHALI!!! Nak vs Corbin was dull. Probably Nak's worst match in WWE.

I would like to know from Indians - how is the reaction back in India to Jinder Mahal. Is he over? Cause seeing him in the main event and KO, AJ and Nak in the mid card is ridiculous.

 

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I hated the main event last night. You could've had Jinder win clean at least once

 

[QalandarFan]

Battleground didn't even bother watching there was NOTHING I was looking forward to. It was either stay home and watch Battleground or go and play some cricket, and heck I will always pick cricket over WWE.

Raw - 9/10

WWE has been delivering some amazing episodes of Raw and much of it's success is because of the three big guns Roman, Braun, and Samoa. Great episode of Raw sat back eating some pizza watched the show it was great. The kickoff especially. Three monsters just going at it. My favorite moment of the whole show was -

Braun - I don't care if it's a fatal four way. (chuckles) All I care about is piling bodies!
Roman - Man Shut Up! (Punches him in the face)

What an intense way to start the show, then the intense Finn Balor match, not to forget the classic the Women put on. Raw has been amazing to watch these past few weeks.

SmackDown - Can't say don't watch it, not much excitement in the show so I don't feel the need to watch it. Man I remember the days SmackDown use to be amazing, when Paul Heyman was the writer right now it's so bland. At least Raw is worth watching.

 

[leatherface58]

RIP Bobby the Brain Heenan. [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] There was Cornette, Mr. Fuji, Teddy Long but Heenan is the greatest manager/heel commentator of them all. Hilarious but never buried the faces. Gorilla and Brain will get to call matches in heaven finally.

 

[Markhor]

Sad news, Heenan was the greatest manager of them all. He was so talented and witty he could've easily have done Saturday Night Line or anything else in entertainment.

Thrre's so many great quotes and interviews that you could spend all day watching them and not get tired. A one off.

 

[shaz619]

RIP Bobby the Brain Heenan. [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] There was Cornette, Mr. Fuji, Teddy Long but Heenan is the greatest manager/heel commentator of them all. Hilarious but never buried the faces. Gorilla and Brain will get to call matches in heaven finally.

I read J.R's tweet and ever since have been very upset today, there will never be another quiet like him and he could make a dead person laugh. A big part of wrestling's life and soul has passed on this day undisputed greatest manager ever and up there with J.R if not better when it came to his commentary as well for me.

 

[QalandarFan]

Looking forward to Raw Tonight the build toward No Mercy has been great. It feels like WWE is booking one of the big four PPV's I mean there are not one but TWO Wrestlmania worthy matches. Strowman vs Lesnar and Cena vs Reigns

 

[shaz619]

Looking forward to Raw Tonight the build toward No Mercy has been great. It feels like WWE is booking one of the big four PPV's I mean there are not one but TWO Wrestlmania worthy matches. Strowman vs Lesnar and Cena vs Reigns

I quit watching this during Jinder Mahal's reign it has turned me off from wrestling completely I just couldn't fathom one of the greatest championships in history being derailed any further. Am a big fight fan as it is but focus all me attention to the UFC and Boxing world now

 

[shaz619]

I've also read that Smackdown ratings have been slipping to the point where an 80 year old man had to come on TV to give the show a boost by taking a shoot head butt and other bumps which would have been a big risk to his health [MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION]

 

[Adil_94]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] vince gave SD 200k boost in ratings.

 

[QalandarFan]

I quit watching this during Jinder Mahal's reign it has turned me off from wrestling completely I just couldn't fathom one of the greatest championships in history being derailed any further. Am a big fight fan as it is but focus all me attention to the UFC and Boxing world now

Lol I am talking about Raw but it seems Nakamura is soon going to become WWE Champion (Don't know why he didn't win at SummerSlam) and that's going to be electrifying!