But it’s a spot where she also embarrassed Flair because she was involved in it. I hate it when they gather around like that for a splash and this looked terrible when she couldn’t even hit the target, Tiffy’s radar has been off lately, under huge pressure at the minute with the championship, Charlotte got her work cut out for her to make Tiffy a star at WM.
This seems like a good show. I'll definitely check out these matches if I get the time.
I still think Charlotte burned her real bad there, am surprised she exposed her like that
Lmao, this was an embarrassing miss.
Hahahh, and if there is anyone better at expressing righteous indignation its JR.
Yes but Tiffany does have an extra sheen about her that a lot of "potential new stars" have lacked in women's wrestling.I still think Charlotte burned her real bad there, am surprised she exposed her like that
Trips was actually a great heel till he got that quad injury. He used to be more agile as well.
They are all green. The best thing they can do is rip off great promos and add their own touch to it. And he did fine with that. His delivery though, definitely isn't half as good as MJF and rightfully so. There are natural talkers you can find who can cut great promos but they will probably suck in the ring. To be a good pro wrestler you need to be well rounded to make it. Guys like Usos, they are just natural talkers. It's a weird thing that WWE didn't have them be their natural selves till they were well established at the top back in 2017 or so. Jacob and LA Knight, they too, are natural talkers.@shaz619 Are they really going to act like this guy didn't just rip-off MJF's promo from 3 years ago?
My opinion lies somewhere in the middle between you and @shaz619. Triple H's heel gimmick during (2002-06) was a good to a point. It helped get Batista over and I felt like he was kind of the key to Evolution. Without him being at the center, that stable wouldn't work for me.
I was talking about 1999-2001. His feud with Foley, Rock and Austin were pretty good. They really made you hate him. I did not enjoy his reign of terror one bit apart from his fall at the hands of Batista. There were too many PPV matches where the decision was just DQ due to interference. 1999-2001 probably because it was AE and he never held on to the titles for as long back then. Him getting dropped from crane alongwith his car by Austin was such an awesome angle. And he was so loathsome that I was actually cheering for Angle at Royal Rumble 2001 (even though both were heels). He played politics and that's a big factor to where he is today. But I don't think he was below average. He is way better than the indie midgets like Janela, Perry, Sammy Guevara etc.
Triple H was agile - I’m still laughing
Not even his biggest marks would say that lol
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@RedwoodOriginal I got this email, why are they selling this merch in Brussels
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What if they keep him as a bad guy but retain everything else, Dwayne seemed to tease it during the presser after EC as well.
So Cena in a meta heel move doesn’t change any of his get up… not sure how I feel about it. Said it in his promo too lol.
But I understand where he’s coming from as this version is what people already hate back during the super Cena days.
Making Austin Theory job for Jey Uso is insane. Austin is a proper talent that they’ve reduced to a jobber, and then making Gunther look like a wimp with Jey just taking the title off him and shoving him out of the ring… wth is this
These Samoans have H by the throat.. going overboard to put them over lol. Don’t even think Jey thinks he deserves this much pandering
But Trips and Steph got married in 2003, AE had been over for a good year or so. Even Invasion had passed by then.
Man.. Gunther made to look like a wimp in Brussels of all places
he's showing why he’s a legend for sure. One of the best heel turn promos. None of the hundreds of 25 mins - 1 hours promos by H could equal this one 25 mins masterclass by Cena.Man I feel so terrible after that Cena promo I want to cry like that kid in the front row
Also surreal to be able to watch this in the UK during normal non-zero dark thirty hours.
It was all a bit of a shock for me, this is what we always envisioned, but Cena made sure he cut us deep.
I suspected they were retaining the character template and I get it now, each word hurts even more, seeing him in our uniform and talking utter filth, it’s like twisting the blade in our backs. He’s flipping his gimmick on us!
Not even Hogan was brave enough to go down this route, the NWO was cool, if we’re being honest. If John repackaged himself, we’d be cheering for him like a baby face, that doesn’t do Cody any good because the goal is to get maximum heat on him as a baby face, if John is someone who fans cheer as a anti-hero, that’s not possible.
In the kayfabe world they’re thinking outside the box for once and unfortunately for us fans, we are being punished, I’ve not had anyone shout at me like that in some time!
They all had a role to play but H was the key to it because he was the World Champion. Regardless of what you may think of him, he was a top guy booked in that position for a number of years and the World Champion at the time. They needed someone of that stature in that position as the leader.
As Cornette said. H was always working with the guy drawing the money. He wasn't the one drawing the money. I think this is the most accurate description of him. He could work reasonably well with those guys but he was never the star that people wanted to pay money to see. I'm not gonna lie, I do love some of those matches particularly the matches with Foley (Street Fight + HIAC) and the 3 Stages of Hell with Austin before Mania, but to me, H was the least interesting thing about any of these matches/feuds. He roided up, changed his look and became Triple HGH between this period which definitely elevated him but if you wanna analyze his time at the top namely; the McMahon-Helmsley stuff and then the feud with ̶S̶t̶e̶p̶h̶a̶n̶i̶e̶ Jericho, was it really that good? I also feel like he owes a massive debt of gratitude to Foley. The way Foley put him over in those two matches was nothing short of incredible. Has to go down as one of the most epic carry jobs ever.
Hahah, can't say I agree with this assertion. I always saw Triple H as someone trying to imitate his idol Harley Race. Only it wasn't the 1970s anymore.Triple H was agile - I’m still laughing
Not even his biggest marks would say that lol
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Remember when people online started calling him Triple HGH? Triple Human Growth Harmone
Remember when people online started calling him Triple HGH? Triple Human Growth Harmone
That has to be one of the most epic burns directed at a wrestler.
When you consider the amount of times he main-evented and the output he delivered I think this is a fair assertion. Roman had some stinkers but not nearly as much as H who has WrestleMania 2000, X8, 25 and 32 on his head. Luckily, we dodged a bullet at WrestleMania 19. Lesnar was mega over and SD was blowing RAW out of the water as a wrestlinh show.
Haven't caught up with RAW yet. Will get back with my thoughts once I do.I don’t know if you watched it yet but after that botch, it looked like Jey wanted to do another dive, but he couldn’t redeem himself because Gunther The GOAT jumped back in the ring and choked him out
I don’t think anyone picked this up but am 100% sure that was case
I nearly forgot about that one, thanks @RedwoodOriginal
Nah, X is banned here in Pak. You gotta fire up the VPN just to see a post.
I actually think the WrestleMania 34 main-event is the worst WrestleMania main-event in modern history. In history, off the top of my head, maybe only Hogan v Yokozuna and Taker v Sid eclipses it?
He didn't call him a SOB, he called him something much worse, Called him a monster and a hypocrite lol.
I didn’t even want to critique his promo and have fun doing that, I just despise the guy, that was my immediate feeling when I responded to @Suleiman who also was watching it live
Tbf, Cena irl would never call a kid a SOB, that's too far for wwe standards and too far for even him.I felt terrible after that promo, this is real heat and not trying to be cool, I wanted to swear at Cena after that and all them poor kids
Lmao. Out of millions of kids who got a fist bump or a motivational quote, this kid is the first one to be dissed by Cena. He will be proud of that when he grows up.
Lmao. Out of millions of kids who got a fist bump or a motivational quote, this kid is the first one to be dissed by Cena. He will be proud of that when he grows up.
Merch sales amongst kids crashed. Now adults will buy merch.
I had phased out of prowrestling by Mania 25 and didn't watch it and had just started to come back to WWE by Mania 32, his match with Roman was legit the most heatless match ever. Roman ran circles around him. But Jericho vs AJ was a banger.
I never said I liked him or he was the guy who drew money. I just said he managed to do some good work at the top(hated reign of terror era though). I think he had a much better feud with HBK initially but it would just keep stretching out after EC when it didn't need to. That Jericho, Steph feud was a stinker. For me, he was just the perfect guy the face could beat to get rid of his run at the top like Batista did or to an extent Benoit did, although Benoit slipped back to midcard after losing the title. He didn't put anyone other than him over.
That is an undisputed fact.
Nooooo Roman vs Taker is the worst Mania mainevent ever because it was sad how everyone was rooting for Taker just for him to suffer a 20 min squash and Roman got it back the next year from Brock by getting whooped the same way by Brock. I actually enjoyed Brock beating Roman at Mania 34, i don't think it was as bad as some of the others on the list.
tbh Swagger and Ryder never really deserved the rub from Cena. Both were average. Ryder was a bit better but Swagger, neverrrr. I hated the Big Dog Roman push more than Cena rather I'd say I liked Cena at the top. He kinda pushed over Hogan from being the second biggest face of all time.
I didn't follow wwe from 2007-15. Only got back for a brief period in 2011 with Edge Alberto and Christian feud. I mainly followed for The Rock and to an extent Edge and it became a bit less enjoyable when he ventured out of WWE. I followed it for a few more years but with that Edge Lita stuff going on, i was banned from watching WWE by family and I complied
I am just going to watch last night's Raw now.Lmao. Out of millions of kids who got a fist bump or a motivational quote, this kid is the first one to be dissed by Cena. He will be proud of that when he grows up.
Merch sales amongst kids crashed. Now adults will buy merch.
I didn't follow wwe from 2007-15. Only got back for a brief period in 2011 with Edge Alberto and Christian feud. I mainly followed for The Rock and to an extent Edge and it became a bit less enjoyable when he ventured out of WWE. I followed it for a few more years but with that Edge Lita stuff going on, i was banned from watching WWE by family and I complied
I only got back when Jericho (another AE star) returned for a full run in 2016-17 and by 2016 i was much older to actually watch it from the technical and storylines point of view rather than rooting for the faces and heels like the younger version of me would.
Yeah my bad, it was a rematch of the WrestleMania match. Triple H v Benoit took place at Vengeance later that year.
Brock v Roman was a far bigger squash and probably only slightly shorter in length. Atleast Taker v Roman had some little back and forth. Brock v Roman was like Brock Lesnar beating a jobber to the pulp for 16 minutes. I absolutely despised this match and even more so, the booking behind it. I'm not sure how this was supposed to get Roman over.
He explained it in a really logical way.
He definitely had some bright spots, even in the reign of terror. One of his more underrated matches is with Kevin Nash from Bad Blood 2003. It was a HIAC match. And for that I fully give him credit because it was damn near impossible to get a good match out of Kevin Nash during that period. Shawn feud was great at the start as were the programs with Benoit and Batista. But the amount of stuff that is mediocre or not good just outweighs it imo. I wasn't crazy about McMahon-Helmsley era either though it was certainly better than him acting like a juvenile 13 year old when he was the leader of DX.
It wasn't supposed to end like that. Roman was supposed to win but Vince changed it at the last moment apparently.
Mcmahon Helmsley was fine. It had definited AE vibes to it with so many crazy swerves.
Cena is the goat. Saw the promo. Although I am not a big fan of meta-ing the promos (makes audience look stupid), it worked here as the audience has been a big factor throughout Cena's whole run and the whole deal with Cena has been about motivating the fans and stuff.
I didn't have a problem with him targeting the audience since their reactions were so interconnected to his run at the top. The only thing I had an issue with was him saying "I am not a babyface or a heel."
That kid deserved it
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