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Suleiman said:
Because now WWE as a whole feels bland than it was 1-2 years ago, now h’s missteps are magnified even more than they already were and he knows he’s walking a tight rope now.
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WWE has been bland since 2015 (with occasional entertaining moments).
 
sweep_shot said:
WWE has been bland since 2015 (with occasional entertaining moments).
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It definitely started peaking after COVID era, and guys like Randy, Roman and Drew had a big hand to play in that. So it’s sad to see them being mistreated now.
 
Suleiman said:
It definitely started peaking after COVID era, and guys like Randy, Roman and Drew had a big hand to play in that. So it’s sad to see them being mistreated now.
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I see.

I still think this period is not as enjoyable as Attitude Era, Ruthless Aggression Era, and Reality Era.

Something feels missing. Maybe social media has ruined the natural pro-wrestling experience.
 
Suleiman said:
It definitely started peaking after COVID era, and guys like Randy, Roman and Drew had a big hand to play in that. So it’s sad to see them being mistreated now.
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COVID era was creatively very good honestly with the likes of Drew, Randy, Roman, Bray, Edge, KO, AJ, Bryan, Hurt Business all doing pretty well and then there were cinematic matches like Cena Bray, Taker AJ, MITB although that Braun Bray match was atrocious.
 
@mominsaigol

yes WWE mainly HHH has destroyed Cena's last run, he shouldn't have been jobbing to Brock. Should have had last matches against Seth & Roman, I read somewhere his last match is against Dom Mysterio. WWE has damaged his farewell. Anyways glad he & Styles put out those finishers, especially remembering the late Bray Wyatt who was a creative genius.
 
harshjoshi87 said:
@mominsaigol

yes WWE mainly HHH has destroyed Cena's last run, he shouldn't have been jobbing to Brock. Should have had last matches against Seth & Roman, I read somewhere his last match is against Dom Mysterio. WWE has damaged his farewell. Anyways glad he & Styles put out those finishers, especially remembering the late Bray Wyatt who was a creative genius.
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Because no one wanted to See Heel Cena in 2025 on his retirement tour. They wanted to see Cena as a heel in 2012 but that never went through.

Other then the shock factor theirs no real rhyme or reason for it to happen.

This is his final year? So why aren't you

A) letting him win the 17th title cleanly.

B) Having him beat Randy Orton Cleanly

C) Wasting 2 months of his retirement tour on R truth and Logan Paul 🤣🤣. Like bruh have him face actual rivals like Miz and Roman Reigns. Miz would make far more sense then Logan Paul lol.

D) Having him get squashed by Brock. The 2014 summerslam makes sense, as Cena was becoming a part timer and Brock was obviously the biggest star. Why in 2025?

I don't even mind cena losing to Brock since wwe wants to establish brock as a monster heel, but don't squash him this badly?

The fact that Cena vs Aj Styles wasn't even on the cards and cena was told straight up that he aint facing Aj styles was stupid?

Cena finally put his foot down and demanded it. My guess he is probs refused to come to Perth if wwe didn't agree for an aj styles match.

I get that people were getting sick of super cena, but this is too much. Dude didnt win a single singles match for nearly 5 years and when he finally won, it was unclean.

Randy, Cm Punk, Cody all unclean matches.

Cena's only clean victories on his retirement run are Styles and Logan Paul 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. They didnt even give him a clean win over R truth 🤣🤣🤣.
 
mominsaigol said:
Because no one wanted to See Heel Cena in 2025 on his retirement tour. They wanted to see Cena as a heel in 2012 but that never went through.

Other then the shock factor theirs no real rhyme or reason for it to happen.

This is his final year? So why aren't you

A) letting him win the 17th title cleanly.

B) Having him beat Randy Orton Cleanly

C) Wasting 2 months of his retirement tour on R truth and Logan Paul 🤣🤣. Like bruh have him face actual rivals like Miz and Roman Reigns. Miz would make far more sense then Logan Paul lol.

D) Having him get squashed by Brock. The 2014 summerslam makes sense, as Cena was becoming a part timer and Brock was obviously the biggest star. Why in 2025?

I don't even mind cena losing to Brock since wwe wants to establish brock as a monster heel, but don't squash him this badly?

The fact that Cena vs Aj Styles wasn't even on the cards and cena was told straight up that he aint facing Aj styles was stupid?

Cena finally put his foot down and demanded it. My guess he is probs refused to come to Perth if wwe didn't agree for an aj styles match.

I get that people were getting sick of super cena, but this is too much. Dude didnt win a single singles match for nearly 5 years and when he finally won, it was unclean.

Randy, Cm Punk, Cody all unclean matches.

Cena's only clean victories on his retirement run are Styles and Logan Paul 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. They didnt even give him a clean win over R truth 🤣🤣🤣.
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yeah Cena should have turned heel in 2011-12 if not for that old freak Vince. You are right a match against Miz should have taken place instead of Truth/Logan Paul. WWE even missed out on a program between Cena & Roman/ Cena & Rollins considering this was his last run.

Brock shouldn't have squashed Cena as Brock is nearly 48-49 & he won't be there for long. It should have been a newcomer like Bron or somebody like Gunther.

Bad decision by HHH & creatives, hope Cena doesn't ever come back to shi* company once his dates are over.
 

Take notes you greedy, talentless little goblin. Screwing people over just to make your mediocre ass relevant in the main event by sabotaging careers back then, just like you sabotage careers today at the helm.

There’s a reason Cena will always stand head and shoulders above you in pro wrestling. Can never imagine your boring ass doing a gesture like this. You will just seethe in the corner and run to your father in law and whisper your grievings to him instead.

One of the GOATs for a reason.
 
The more I think about the Rollins angle last week, the more I feel like this was something that was not in their plans. For me, everything was leading towards a WarGames match between Roman, Usos, Punk, LA vs. Seth, Bron & Bron, new fourth member (Austin Theory or Ethan Page) and Lesnar.

Lesnar being the fifth man would have been a good surprise and would have made sense considering the fact that Lesnar and Heyman were shown interacting backstage at WrestlePalooza and getting chummy. Heyman even did his ring introduction.

Not sure what they will do now. This is why it's stupid to name the PPV Survivor Series: WarGames. Unnecessarily booking yourself into a corner.

I just hope the WarGames match this year isn't Solo's jobber Bloodline vs. the Bray Wyatt tribute club.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
The more I think about the Rollins angle last week, the more I feel like this was something that was not in their plans. For me, everything was leading towards a WarGames match between Roman, Usos, Punk, LA vs. Seth, Bron & Bron, new fourth member (Austin Theory or Ethan Page) and Lesnar.

Lesnar being the fifth man would have been a good surprise and would have made sense considering the fact that Lesnar and Heyman were shown interacting backstage at WrestlePalooza and getting chummy. Heyman even did his ring introduction.

Not sure what they will do now. This is why it's stupid to name the PPV Survivor Series: WarGames. Unnecessarily booking yourself into a corner.

I just hope the WarGames match this year isn't Solo's jobber Bloodline vs. the Bray Wyatt tribute club.
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It's a good thing if they got thrown off their plans due to an injury cause their plans have been sucking the air out of every building they go to.

MFT vs Wyatt sicks is so weird considering both are heels. Reminding me of Trips vs Kurt at Rumble 2001 when the loudest pop was of Austin interference.
 
Triple GPT continues to embarrass himself, never was any good during his career and I always spoke against his fraud booking from the NXT days. This guy is always on auto-pilot when not politicking and I was thinking that the Mizz has genuinely given more to the Wrestling business then H.

Nice to see the locker room more comfortable to express their feelings for AJ Styles after John Cena led the way, I saw a tweet from Eric Bischoff about it but he can shut the hell up, as if he didn’t look to job AJ into next week when he bought his buddies to TNA and turned the company into the Hulk Hogan satellite. Anyway, that was a lovely gesture and it’s so soothing for my soul to see Punk & AJ together, I really hope they do get to work together again because they inspired my wrestling passion.

Some disturbing clips coming from the AEW event recently, I feel like it’s so horrific that I really need to watch it, if only to see my GOAT at the end return from his slumber.
 
What a match between Sami & Dragunov, Sami can adapt to anybody man is so bloody good and one hell of a showing after being injured, the match was such a breath of fresh air!

Dragunov’s booking has already peaked 🤡🤡🤡🤡
 
Wow so AJ vs Punk was right there and this buffoon gives AJ tag team title as consolation and shoves yeet into the heavyweight picture again. No la knight as well. Amazing, 🤡

Glad I only watch shorts now instead of the whole episode of this 🐴 💩
 
I'm not usually happy to see someone get injured, but in Rollins's case I think he needs some time to reflect on how much of a brainless in-ring worker he really is. WWE fans make him out to be this great wrestler who is supposedly one of the best in the business, but the reality is that is largely empty-headed when it comes to putting a logical match together and is always doing some stupid move that is needlessly risky for himself or his opponent. He definitely has talent; he can move well, he's athletic, has good size, but all that talent isn't worth a damn if you are doing stupid $hit in the ring like a coast to coast headbutt.

Also isn't it ironic that his dad Triple H came up with this weird fake injury angle to work the internet wrestling fans, and now that he is actually injured, some people still don't believe he is? Reminds me of that book I read as a kid, The Boy Who Cried Wolf.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I'm not usually happy to see someone get injured, but in Rollins's case I think he needs some time to reflect on how much of a brainless in-ring worker he really is. WWE fans make him out to be this great wrestler who is supposedly one of the best in the business, but the reality is that is largely empty-headed when it comes to putting a logical match together and is always doing some stupid move that is needlessly risky for himself or his opponent. He definitely has talent; he can move well, he's athletic, has good size, but all that talent isn't worth a damn if you are doing stupid $hit in the ring like a coast to coast headbutt.

Also isn't it ironic that his dad Triple H came up with this weird fake injury angle to work the internet wrestling fans, and now that he is actually injured, some people still don't believe he is? Reminds me of that book I read as a kid, The Boy Who Cried Wolf.
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Anyone who has injured others deserves to be shunned by all parts of the business, Rollins best career move was religiously worshipping H, heck, I don’t even think 4/10 ever hurt anybody besides his quads. Seth is capable of having good matches and is an alright modern wrestler, he would fit in well with all the other empty heads in AEW because they work a similar style, but when you injure others and make poor ring choices, there is no saving grace; he’s a charisma vacuum as well. Bill Goldberg was stiff as hell, but he had the IT factor, what is there going for someone like Seth? I really don’t know, his best run was with the Shield plus J & J security. It’s a travesty that someone like Drew wasn’t pushed the way he has.

If Cody came in when H/TKO were controlling the WWE, there is a slim chance he’d be in the position he’s in today.

H has a vendetta against anybody who’s actually good, they’ve buried both Reigns & Punk as well, not to mention how they’ve been humiliating AJ until Cena put him over, Cena himself hasn’t been treated well either.

Mr. Fragile ego can’t hack anybody who was a bigger star than he ever was.
 
I enjoyed the battle royal it was pretty good & I like the idea of doing it, but again, H strikes when the iron is cold & also money hungry TKO, Vince would have jumped right into it and made the Battle Royal for the WHC, that’s exciting isn’t it, RAW on Netflix on all, you got some real drama there and memorable episode, this was a fantastic crowd as well.

But I am absolutely seething, Jey? really? You didn’t need this angle to sow tension between Jimmy & Jey, I can’t wait for their Young Bucks tribute match for gods sake. But this Battle Royal through no consequence of H’s creativity, presented the perfect opportunity to book an AJ Styles vs CM Punk match, it solves so many booking conundrums which are not respected anymore but you have right there a special match for this weeks PLE. I know Jey is a draw but you need to respect the sentiment around wrestling enthusiasts getting their money’s worth and this match is not it, no matter how many T-Shirts Jey will no doubt sell.

I’d have taken Punk vs Sheamus, LA Knight, Bron or Dom for the title.

The only thing going for this Punk / Jey match is that H will really make us Punk fans sweat because we know there’s a strong possibility the YEET merchant can go over so from that angle, there’s serious jeopardy for Punk to overcome while he’d be a straight up favourite against everyone else.
 
shaz619 said:
Anyone who has injured others deserves to be shunned by all parts of the business, Rollins best career move was religiously worshipping H, heck, I don’t even think 4/10 ever hurt anybody besides his quads. Seth is capable of having good matches and is an alright modern wrestler, he would fit in well with all the other empty heads in AEW because they work a similar style, but when you injure others and make poor ring choices, there is no saving grace; he’s a charisma vacuum as well. Bill Goldberg was stiff as hell, but he had the IT factor, what is there going for someone like Seth? I really don’t know, his best run was with the Shield plus J & J security. It’s a travesty that someone like Drew wasn’t pushed the way he has.

If Cody came in when H/TKO were controlling the WWE, there is a slim chance he’d be in the position he’s in today.

H has a vendetta against anybody who’s actually good, they’ve buried both Reigns & Punk as well, not to mention how they’ve been humiliating AJ until Cena put him over, Cena himself hasn’t been treated well either.

Mr. Fragile ego can’t hack anybody who was a bigger star than he ever was.
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You hit the nail on the head. On top of that, how stupid do you have to be to jeopardize such a big storyline where you have been positioned as the top heel, have Paul Heyman as your manager and have been given this heel stable with some pretty credible guys. The rumor is that they were planning to add Austin Theory to the stable too, which would have been great for him. So not only has he jeopardized his own push but he has hurt the creative plans of other wrestlers too. Not to mention, they have made us fans invest in this storyline for 6 months, which wasn't even that great to begin with. Just remarkably stupid and irresponsible stuff from Rollins.

People used to make fun of Cena for his limited move-set but fact is, he understood what it meant to be a top guy. Rollins is too empty-headed to.
 
shaz619 said:
This is the kind of stuff I’ve been waiting to see so I can start watching AEW again:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1979925811311284521
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I would compare it to a car crash where you just can't look away. Most people would say that it's not wrestling, and it's not, but I find it morbidly fascinating to me how unhinged they can get from time to time. There was that Adam Page v Swerve Light's Out match a couple of years ago where they were hitting each other with vertebreakers on cinder blocks and the finish of the match was Page stabbing Swerve in the mouth with a hypodermic needle. Last month, MJF and Mark Briscoe had a 'Tables N' Tacks' match where the whole match was basically about doing spots involving thumbtacks and the entire ring was littered with tacks. Haven't seen this one so far but I am already looking forward to lol.

I do worry about Darby Allin though. As talented as he is it feels like he is a Dark Side of the Ring episode just waiting to happen.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I would compare it to a car crash where you just can't look away. Most people would say that it's not wrestling, and it's not, but I find it morbidly fascinating to me how unhinged they can get from time to time. There was that Adam Page v Swerve Light's Out match a couple of years ago where they were hitting each other with vertebreakers on cinder blocks and the finish of the match was Page stabbing Swerve in the mouth with a hypodermic needle. Last month, MJF and Mark Briscoe had a 'Tables N' Tacks' match where the whole match was basically about doing spots involving thumbtacks and the entire ring was littered with tacks. Haven't seen this one so far but I am already looking forward to lol.

I do worry about Darby Allin though. As talented as he is it feels like he is a Dark Side of the Ring episode just waiting to happen.
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Darby seems too inspired by JJ Allin. He secretly probably wants to die in the ring pulling off some stunt.
AEW from time to time tries to go a few steps ahead of ECW despite being a bigger budget promotion, it most of the time makes them look desperate.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
You hit the nail on the head. On top of that, how stupid do you have to be to jeopardize such a big storyline where you have been positioned as the top heel, have Paul Heyman as your manager and have been given this heel stable with some pretty credible guys. The rumor is that they were planning to add Austin Theory to the stable too, which would have been great for him. So not only has he jeopardized his own push but he has hurt the creative plans of other wrestlers too. Not to mention, they have made us fans invest in this storyline for 6 months, which wasn't even that great to begin with. Just remarkably stupid and irresponsible stuff from Rollins.

People used to make fun of Cena for his limited move-set but fact is, he understood what it meant to be a top guy. Rollins is too empty-headed to.
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Vince might have barred Seth from another main event push for another 5 years after this buffoonery. But Triple GPT would liken Seth getting injured to a Shakespearian stuff.
 
shaz619 said:
I enjoyed the battle royal it was pretty good & I like the idea of doing it, but again, H strikes when the iron is cold & also money hungry TKO, Vince would have jumped right into it and made the Battle Royal for the WHC, that’s exciting isn’t it, RAW on Netflix on all, you got some real drama there and memorable episode, this was a fantastic crowd as well.

But I am absolutely seething, Jey? really? You didn’t need this angle to sow tension between Jimmy & Jey, I can’t wait for their Young Bucks tribute match for gods sake. But this Battle Royal through no consequence of H’s creativity, presented the perfect opportunity to book an AJ Styles vs CM Punk match, it solves so many booking conundrums which are not respected anymore but you have right there a special match for this weeks PLE. I know Jey is a draw but you need to respect the sentiment around wrestling enthusiasts getting their money’s worth and this match is not it, no matter how many T-Shirts Jey will no doubt sell.

I’d have taken Punk vs Sheamus, LA Knight, Bron or Dom for the title.

The only thing going for this Punk / Jey match is that H will really make us Punk fans sweat because we know there’s a strong possibility the YEET merchant can go over so from that angle, there’s serious jeopardy for Punk to overcome while he’d be a straight up favourite against everyone else.
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Knight, AJ, Balor, Gunther, Randy could have even coaxed Cena in and all would have made for some interesting matches/feuds.
 
CM Punk vs Jey Uso for the world heavyweight title. Really?

I don't see Jey Uso as a main event talent. Surely, we could have got Punk vs AJ, Punk vs LA Knight or Punk vs Orton for the title.

Regardless, CM Punk needs to win the title and have a lengthy title reign. But knowing how stupid Triple H is, I won't be surprised if Jey wins the title.
 
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CM Punk vs Jey Uso for the world heavyweight title. Really?

I don't see Jey Uso as a main event talent. Surely, we could have got Punk vs AJ, Punk vs LA Knight or Punk vs Orton for the title.

Regardless, CM Punk needs to win the title and have a lengthy title reign. But knowing how stupid Triple H is, I won't be surprised if Jey wins the title.
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I mean even if CM Punk was hypothetically going over, H is rubbing it in by having him go over Jey deliberately; but iA Punk gets the belt because he will make the WHC feel special and expose Mr. Clueless’s booking
 
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CM Punk vs Jey Uso for the world heavyweight title. Really?

I don't see Jey Uso as a main event talent. Surely, we could have got Punk vs AJ, Punk vs LA Knight or Punk vs Orton for the title.

Regardless, CM Punk needs to win the title and have a lengthy title reign. But knowing how stupid Triple H is, I won't be surprised if Jey wins the title.
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Knowing H he will probably screw Punk and turn Jey heel. That's the kind of brainless booking that makes sense in his mind.

They've been trying to shove Jey Uso down our throats for well over a year now, but despite this concentrated push, his in-ring work is just as bad as it was a year ago and his promos are just as one-dimensional and predicated on the crowd chanting Yeet. He is the most overpushed wrestler in the business by a country mile. A glorified mid-carder who they are trying to make into a main-eventer.
 
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You hit the nail on the head. On top of that, how stupid do you have to be to jeopardize such a big storyline where you have been positioned as the top heel, have Paul Heyman as your manager and have been given this heel stable with some pretty credible guys. The rumor is that they were planning to add Austin Theory to the stable too, which would have been great for him. So not only has he jeopardized his own push but he has hurt the creative plans of other wrestlers too. Not to mention, they have made us fans invest in this storyline for 6 months, which wasn't even that great to begin with. Just remarkably stupid and irresponsible stuff from Rollins.

People used to make fun of Cena for his limited move-set but fact is, he understood what it meant to be a top guy. Rollins is too empty-headed to.
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That’s a shame but I doubt H has gotten over his Austin Theory burials yet, if that’s the plan then there should be no stopping Theory joining the group and even more reason after Seth is out, they seem to be teasing a new member but I will believe it when I see it after how badly AT has been treated.

What I thoroughly enjoyed during the opening segment was Heyman’s promo on H’s illegitimate son, that was straight up shoot brother, Heyman knows talent and deep down is well aware the cringe lord just doesn’t have it.

What was really odd though, they had the Bron Bron’s advertised for the battle royal based on a graphic during the show, then later in the night the Bron Bron’s were trying to get into the match ? Which didn’t make any sense.

But what Heyman said was interesting, he spoke of how Lesnar got a rocket strapped to his back and was champ within 5 months, maybe Heyman was trying to get the higher ups to back Bron more enthusiastically and laid his cards on the table and those all show that Bron needs something big within a 5 month time frame, if it’s not a title, then a long term story leading up to a match with a big name.

I think that at WM if Bron isn’t working with the champion, he needs to face a big star.
 
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Knowing H he will probably screw Punk and turn Jey heel. That's the kind of brainless booking that makes sense in his mind.

They've been trying to shove Jey Uso down our throats for well over a year now, but despite this concentrated push, his in-ring work is just as bad as it was a year ago and his promos are just as one-dimensional and predicated on the crowd chanting Yeet. He is the most overpushed wrestler in the business by a country mile. A glorified mid-carder who they are trying to make into a main-eventer.
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The biggest issue with this re!arded booking is that the idiot casuals support Jey & unfortunately they will keep pushing him in the name of business and sadly he is over with this diabolical gimmick, there are some work-arounds with his ring work but why can I take this pathetic mid-card act so seriously aa WHC?

If the heel turn is planned that’s brilliant news! H’s high level ring IQ will cut another solid revenue stream as he did with the New Day and with Jey, it should take him out of the main event picture down the line because a heel can’t YEET surely, of can he
:yk3 If he can, then god help us all.
 
Imagine if LA Knight got a push like Jey Uso? Only problem is that LA Knight was never supposed to be 'that' guy. Triple H always saw him as a midcard heel, but what he didn't count on was LA getting over because of his natural charisma, even when he had the deck stacked against him like that feud with Bray Wyatt where he was basically presented as a jobber and had to work that weird Mountain Dew glow in the dark match that was more of a puppet show than a match. And yet LA kept defying the odds and kept getting more and more popular with the crowd, even when HHH tried everything in his power with his dog$hit booking to bury him.

Triple H thinks he's very smart. He thinks he's this great booking mastermind who can work the fans, but the reality is that everyone sees through his B.S. What he has basically been doing for the last two years now is putting LA Knight in positions where you think he is going to win the big one, only for the rug to be pulled from under him. This is a fairly tried and tested formula of burying someone who is over, but you don't want to push. Vince himself has done this numerous times to wrestlers he didn't like. To LA, we have seen this happen twice in MITB matches and numerous other times in World title matches. Only problem is that LA Knight is still over, and I'm sure that just burns HHH up inside. 'Why are these people not liking what I am telling them to like?' Because we think you're a brainless moron who is creatively running this company into the ground with his atrocious booking.
 
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Knowing H he will probably screw Punk and turn Jey heel. That's the kind of brainless booking that makes sense in his mind.

They've been trying to shove Jey Uso down our throats for well over a year now, but despite this concentrated push, his in-ring work is just as bad as it was a year ago and his promos are just as one-dimensional and predicated on the crowd chanting Yeet. He is the most overpushed wrestler in the business by a country mile. A glorified mid-carder who they are trying to make into a main-eventer.
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Clown booking for sure, but I think punk will win and that will make Jey finally snap.

Maybe he’ll join vision or vision make a surprise appearance and help him some way to win the title. Maybe that is the twist now that he’s turning heel

Would be a waste of this whole vision nonsense if after kicking out cross dresser they just let the whole thing die.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Imagine if LA Knight got a push like Jey Uso? Only problem is that LA Knight was never supposed to be 'that' guy. Triple H always saw him as a midcard heel, but what he didn't count on was LA getting over because of his natural charisma, even when he had the deck stacked against him like that feud with Bray Wyatt where he was basically presented as a jobber and had to work that weird Mountain Dew glow in the dark match that was more of a puppet show than a match. And yet LA kept defying the odds and kept getting more and more popular with the crowd even when HHH tried everything in his power with his dog$hit booking to bury him.

Triple H thinks he's very smart. He thinks he's this great booking mastermind who can work the fans, but the reality is that everyone sees through his B.S. What he has basically been doing for the last two years now is putting LA Knight in positions where you think he is going to win the big one, only for the rug to be pulled from under him. This is a fairly tried and tested formula of burying someone who is over, but you don't want to push. Vince himself has done this numerous times to wrestlers he didn't like. To LA, we have seen this happen twice in MITB matches and numerous other times in World title matches. Only problem is that LA Knight is still over, and I'm sure that just burns HHH up inside. 'Why are these people not liking what I am telling them to like?' Because we think you're a brainless moron who is creatively running this company into the ground with his atrocious booking.
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Knight said himself a while ago that they told him because of his age they won’t do too much which is bs.

*** age has to do with it when he’s consistently outshining everyone on screen and going toe to toe with punk as an onscreen personality. The only one who seem out of place is whoever h chooses.
 
Suleiman said:
Clown booking for sure, but I think punk will win and that will make Jey finally snap.

Maybe he’ll join vision or vision make a surprise appearance and help him some way to win the title. Maybe that is the twist now that he’s turning heel

Would be a waste of this whole vision nonsense if after kicking out cross dresser they just let the whole thing die.
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Yeah they should definitely try to salvage this mess by building the faction around Breakker and giving him a big push. It probably would have been better if he turned face on Rollins months from now, but the Cringelord has ensured that ain't happening. So might as well push him as a top heel because he is very much ready. And I'm sure that with Heyman by his side he will only get better. For now they should put the belt on Punk and then down the line he can put over Breakker.
 
Suleiman said:
Knight said himself a while ago that they told him because of his age they won’t do too much which is bs.

*** age has to do with it when he’s consistently outshining everyone on screen and going toe to toe with punk as an onscreen personality. The only one who seem out of place is whoever h chooses.
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Which is funny because Damien Priest is a year older than him. And yet they had no problem pushing him or putting the belt on him, eventhough I regard that title run as a failure. Two years on, Priest is languishing in the midcard on SmackDown as 'just another guy' on the roster. And sure alot of it has to do with HHH's booking but Priest himself has failed to really get over in the ring or on promos either.
 
Suleiman said:
Knight said himself a while ago that they told him because of his age they won’t do too much which is bs.

*** age has to do with it when he’s consistently outshining everyone on screen and going toe to toe with punk as an onscreen personality. The only one who seem out of place is whoever h chooses.
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Which is funny because Damien Priest is a year older than him. And yet they had no problem pushing him or putting the belt on him, eventhough I regard that title run as a failure. Two years on, Priest is languishing in the midcard on SmackDown as 'just another guy' on the roster. And sure alot of it has to do with HHH's booking but Priest himself has failed to really get over in the ring or on promos either...but apparently that's different because HHH chose him.
 
Suleiman said:
Wwe verse did a full 180 on doofus triple the way he booked Gunther to lose to Jey.

He can try as many marketing and theatrical techniques to cover his cracks and lack of talent in all facets of wrestling

But sooner or later his glaring lack of any ability always shows. And did. And does.
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A clown in a suit is still a clown
 
shaz619 said:
Has to be a personal matter surely?

Or H getting bored of the Chat GPT responses
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I heard he’s was getting surgery done on his nose,which is ironic, because you’d think his boss would’ve wanted that fixed first.

Anyway, I’m hearing rumors that Gunther will be Cena’s final opponent, and that’s why they’re delaying his return. Which of course, wouldn’t be the first idea Triple H has stolen from me.
 
shaz619 said:
But we don’t care about the internet but we will still plug some random social media stat every week
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“Ladies and gentlemen, while Dragon Lee gets choked out, I’m being told that our viral clip of YouTuber Donny Dip$hit being run over by a semi-truck and then speared into the seventh dimension by Bron Breakker has generated 90,000 impressions across all WWE social platforms."
 
@RedwoodOriginal bro got John Cena's 4th last appearance on November ticket for 60$.
WWE had initially advertised the tickets for 200$ but no one had been buying them apart from rich idiots. So in last few days the prices dropped massively, first to 140$, then 100$ and today for 60$. I got one just in time. Hopefully will be a much better experience than last time around.
 
Andrew Tate tweeted: “The Rock’s not alpha. Real men don’t cry on camera or make Disney movies.”
The Rock replied:
“Real men don’t hide behind Bugattis and Wi-Fi. You lift weights — I lift box office numbers. And I do it without getting banned.”
@RedwoodOriginal need your view on this :ROFLMAO:
 
BunnyRabbit said:
@RedwoodOriginal bro got John Cena's 4th last appearance on November ticket for 60$.
WWE had initially advertised the tickets for 200$ but no one had been buying them apart from rich idiots. So in last few days the prices dropped massively, first to 140$, then 100$ and today for 60$. I got one just in time. Hopefully will be a much better experience than last time around.
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That's not bad bro. Getting to see Cena live on one of his last few appearances for $60 is pretty good. Hopefully you're not in the nosebleed section.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Andrew Tate tweeted: “The Rock’s not alpha. Real men don’t cry on camera or make Disney movies.”
The Rock replied:
“Real men don’t hide behind Bugattis and Wi-Fi. You lift weights — I lift box office numbers. And I do it without getting banned.”
@RedwoodOriginal need your view on this :ROFLMAO:
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Andrew Tate is the scum of the earth. He's a human trafficker and rapist, so I welcome anyone and everyone putting this sub-human piece of trash in his place. The only disappointing thing about Rock's tweet is how weak it is. It might actually have been written by ChatGPT, and on top of that it feels like a first time prompt.

I guess Rocky is scared of Tate's army of incels turning on him which is why he kept it soft. Otherwise there is a whole lot of material out there about Tate that Rock could have used to eviscerate him.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Andrew Tate is the scum of the earth. He's a human trafficker and rapist, so I welcome anyone and everyone putting this sub-human piece of trash in his place. The only disappointing thing about Rock's tweet is how weak it is. It might actually have been written by ChatGPT, and on top of that it feels like a first time prompt.

I guess Rocky is scared of Tate's army of incels turning on him which is why he kept it soft. Otherwise there is a whole lot of material out there about Tate that Rock could have used to eviscerate him.
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Tate even admitted to being one.

Literally stated that his first business was forcing girls to do webcam related stuff(trying to keep it PG13 but you know what is mean), and profiting off ove it.

On his now shut down hustlers university program he had an entire course on manipulating anf forcing women weaker then you to do stuff against their own will 💀.

It got so bad that Larry Page, Sergey Brin, Jack Doherty and Mark Zuckerberg collectively got involved and personally banned him from YouTube, Twitter, Insta, FB etc etc.

Sadly Elon Musk after acquiring twitter unbanned him.

But very very rarely do you get to see the founders of the companies personally omvolve themsleves in the banning of such individuals.

Usually it's the admin employee staff and even then their extremely lienant.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Andrew Tate is the scum of the earth. He's a human trafficker and rapist, so I welcome anyone and everyone putting this sub-human piece of trash in his place. The only disappointing thing about Rock's tweet is how weak it is. It might actually have been written by ChatGPT, and on top of that it feels like a first time prompt.

I guess Rocky is scared of Tate's army of incels turning on him which is why he kept it soft. Otherwise there is a whole lot of material out there about Tate that Rock could have used to eviscerate him.
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The unscripted version of Rock from his prime was something else, that Rock would have tore him a new one. I was watching some old footage of his evolution from the Nation to Corporate champion, man so much aura. Only pretty Ricky comes close to that kind of slick IT factor, did you listen to his promo this week? enjoy him in NXT while you can……
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
That's not bad bro. Getting to see Cena live on one of his last few appearances for $60 is pretty good. Hopefully you're not in the nosebleed section.
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I hope so. Plus with declining viewership of WWE recently and Survivor Series being held in November as well, think they will put on a lot of stars for that episode. Since it's going to be one of the two Cena's appearances before SS, I am thinking they'll set up Dom's feud with him there. Apart from that, SD is just 2 hours and Raw 3 hours so hopefully won't have to deal with Tiffany and other jobbers this time around for 2 hours straight.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Andrew Tate is the scum of the earth. He's a human trafficker and rapist, so I welcome anyone and everyone putting this sub-human piece of trash in his place. The only disappointing thing about Rock's tweet is how weak it is. It might actually have been written by ChatGPT, and on top of that it feels like a first time prompt.

I guess Rocky is scared of Tate's army of incels turning on him which is why he kept it soft. Otherwise there is a whole lot of material out there about Tate that Rock could have used to eviscerate him.
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Prime Rock would eviscerate Tate but over the years he's just become a subordinate of the corporate and optics and trying to be in their good books so his movie career doesn't go back to tooth fairy days.
 
Thinking about Cody as a champion, the guy hasn't had a single good feud apart from the one with Kevin Owens (credit to KO for that). All of his other feuds have been bland. The Cena feud was wasted. He is a good worker but doesn't have the creative factor of Roman to make his feuds memorable. Even during Nose's reign, Roman's feuds were consistently top notch. Roman was the one who wanted to bring Sami to Bloodline.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Thinking about Cody as a champion, the guy hasn't had a single good feud apart from the one with Kevin Owens (credit to KO for that). All of his other feuds have been bland. The Cena feud was wasted. He is a good worker but doesn't have the creative factor of Roman to make his feuds memorable. Even during Nose's reign, Roman's feuds were consistently top notch. Roman was the one who wanted to bring Sami to Bloodline.
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I think they’ve been ok, AJ Styles, KO, Reigns, Cena & now Drew; they’ve been clever to pair him with guys we want to see as champion to mask their own booking ineptness.

In the fickle wrestling world where it was demanded he become champion, a turn doesn’t look too far away, but he’s still fairly popular with the audience and doing a very good job as a touring champion.

My issue is the obsession with title reign stats etc And even giving short term reigns to a few guys could really get them over massively and keep the title picture fresh, Drew should go over but there’s minimal chance it could happen.

As a dominant baby face, creating all these compelling narratives isn’t straight forward and that’s why I suggest the above, Cena had the same problem during his lengthy reign in 06/07 which felt like 600 days. Like for how long can you sell the all conquering hero story when you keep winning every single time. On the flip side it’s an exercise to establish Cody as the new top guy as well, but then he’s jobbing to the worst person possible in the cringe lord, that was monumental waste.
 
shaz619 said:
I think they’ve been ok, AJ Styles, KO, Reigns, Cena & now Drew; they’ve been clever to pair him with guys we want to see as champion to mask their own booking ineptness.

In the fickle wrestling world where it was demanded he become champion, a turn doesn’t look too far away, but he’s still fairly popular with the audience and doing a very good job as a touring champion.

My issue is the obsession with title reign stats etc And even giving short term reigns to a few guys could really get them over massively and keep the title picture fresh, Drew should go over but there’s minimal chance it could happen.

As a dominant baby face, creating all these compelling narratives isn’t straight forward and that’s why I suggest the above, Cena had the same problem during his lengthy reign in 06/07 which felt like 600 days. Like for how long can you sell the all conquering hero story when you keep winning every single time. On the flip side it’s an exercise to establish Cody as the new top guy as well, but then he’s jobbing to the worst person possible in the cringe lord, that was monumental waste.
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Him losing to Seth didn't make any sense at all.
As the face, he should only be losing matches that have consequences (like Austin or Roman)
Drew vs Cody could be a Mania mainevent if booked right.
Cody is a good and reliable worker who can work good matches without any real storyline, cut decent promos without having much to say, can wrestle over 100 matches a year without getting injured but the creativity to progress his character or tell compelling stories through feuds is definitely lacking. 90% of the blame is on the writers and booker though. There is no viable challenger being made who can beat Cody clean either. It's just all one dimensional

With AJ, he had a series of great matches, but the storyline was nonexistential there tbh.
 
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