The Wrestling Discussion Thread

[Raja Ishtiaq]

I returned to witness John Cena's final year. He debuted in WWE when I was 12. So, there was a nostalgia factor.

WWE need to make things more natural like how it was 15-20 years ago. Nothing feels natural currently (other than CM Punk maybe).

It's the production. It's way over the top.

Check this thread out it's a good read

https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/g4pyfp/theory_higher_production_values_have_actually

 

[shaz619]

That's all true but you we have to remember that Triple H is not Vince McMahon. At the end of the day, he's an employee of the company. And you never really know in wrestling. Sometimes companies to do listen to the fans if it gets to that point. This just feels like the beginning of the fans revolting against Triple H in a big way. Previously it was a pocket of fans who were unhappy about LA Knight's booking or the overpushing of Rollins but this feels like everyone kinda of revolting against him. And who knows? Who's to say a couple of more similar incidents in the future won't put his job in question?

Maybe Dwanta will be give us a big Xmas prezzy this time next year

 

[shaz619]

@shaz619 What's next? 'Take me back to 1999 WCW and the rise of Russo'?

It’s mostly the 2incher marks from a certain part of south asia who drool over that untalented body builder posing as a wrestler, I can see wanting to big up Paul personally based on his personality attracting all the cretin’s off the world, but how is it possible to be a fan of his heel work; that defeats the purpose of his primary objective, his best move was marrying Stephanie for easy cheap heat and being given a gimmick intended for Owen Hart.

In the ring 4/10
On the mic 4/10

Always had to be carried by his multiple fathers who turned him side ways each time: Austin, Rock, Shawn, Mankind & Taker.

With the kind of push he had you’d think he’d have made so many stars, he couldn’t do it then & his dated booking presently is evidence of his politics and low ring IQ.

 

[shaz619]

It’s week 2 & they’ve completely buried all the heat Gunther had.

He has come out each time & just smiled at everyone like a re!ard.

They’ve buried the heat faster then I anticipated so well done there H for recycling the garbage segments you use to book yourself in.

This just reinforces that Cena should have gone over because it was a much easier win, right now you got a monkey in a space suit named H, he is absolutely clueless, he could never get himself over, why does anybody expect him to create a new major star?

Gunther should be running through the roster like prime Kurt Angle in 2006, instead they book him to get cheat heat, these promos and segments are pure H 101 it’s not even a joke.

Calling Cena a B, we’re getting to school playground level cusses and even the bacheh have more creativity then that 4/10 garbage can.

 

[sweep_shot]

It’s week 2 & they’ve completely buried all the heat Gunther had.

He has come out each time & just smiled at everyone like a re!ard.

They’ve buried the heat faster then I anticipated so well done there H for recycling the garbage segments you use to book yourself in.

This just reinforces that Cena should have gone over because it was a much easier win, right now you got a monkey in a space suit named H, he is absolutely clueless, he could never get himself over, why does anybody expect him to create a new major star?

Gunther should be running through the roster like prime Kurt Angle in 2006, instead they book him to get cheat heat, these promos and segments are pure H 101 it’s not even a joke.

Calling Cena a B, we’re getting to school playground level cusses and even the bacheh have more creativity then that 4/10 garbage can.

Cena 100% should've won the final match.

That was a blunder.

They also failed to utilize Gunther's momentum. So, double blunder.

WWE has become a farce.

@shaz619, do you think AEW is better now?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

It’s mostly the 2incher marks from a certain part of south asia who drool over that untalented body builder posing as a wrestler, I can see wanting to big up Paul personally based on his personality attracting all the cretin’s off the world, but how is it possible to be a fan of his heel work; that defeats the purpose of his primary objective, his best move was marrying Stephanie for easy cheap heat and being given a gimmick intended for Owen Hart.

In the ring 4/10
On the mic 4/10

Always had to be carried by his multiple fathers who turned him side ways each time: Austin, Rock, Shawn, Mankind & Taker.

With the kind of push he had you’d think he’d have made so many stars, he couldn’t do it then & his dated booking presently is evidence of his politics and low ring IQ.

Forget about those guys. He was not even on par with Jericho, Edge and Angle.

During his "Reign of Terror" , he was nowhere near as good as even those guys as they were far superior wrestlers and even better as characters.

And they were far better at elevating young "faces" to main event status than this guy ever was.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Yo @RedwoodOriginal

I heard you were at this Walmart:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2001823217032262015

@RedwoodOriginal

Everyone got goodies but Redwood bhai got a portrait of The Rock

#NationOfDomination

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

It’s mostly the 2incher marks from a certain part of south asia who drool over that untalented body builder posing as a wrestler, I can see wanting to big up Paul personally based on his personality attracting all the cretin’s off the world, but how is it possible to be a fan of his heel work; that defeats the purpose of his primary objective, his best move was marrying Stephanie for easy cheap heat and being given a gimmick intended for Owen Hart.

In the ring 4/10
On the mic 4/10

Always had to be carried by his multiple fathers who turned him side ways each time: Austin, Rock, Shawn, Mankind & Taker.

With the kind of push he had you’d think he’d have made so many stars, he couldn’t do it then & his dated booking presently is evidence of his politics and low ring IQ.

Anyone who thinks Triple H was a great heel has to have rocks for brains. All he did was beat every babyface on the roster. He never lost. Zero personality, mediocre in the ring, a charisma vacuum on the mic... a true 4/10 performer with a 10/10 aptitude for kissing @$$.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Guys like Gunther would have been a curtain jerkers during the great Attitude Era. Behave lol

Triple H was the top heel during the greatest era of wrestling but according to you he's not one of the top heels of all time #logic lol

Still have neckbeards like you furious two decades later.

What exactly is your logic? The fact that you used to drool over his roided up bodybuilder body? On second thought, I guess that explains alot

 

[shaz619]

Cena 100% should've won the final match.

That was a blunder.

They also failed to utilize Gunther's momentum. So, double blunder.

WWE has become a farce.

@shaz619, do you think AEW is better now?

The idea they had was fine, but you need to look at the bigger picture & as Cena likes to say, what’s the ‘why’, to make Gunther, ok, but then using the heat in this manner is such a waste and Trips took most of it as the booker & that’s never a good thing. Given their view on the long term was so limited, Cena going over in his final match was much easier to book, it would be a good conclusion for his character & the fans etc And we move into a new era on a more positive note.

I watched AEW religiously when CM Punk was there, he had more creative control and was responsible at one point for booking one of their TV Shows (Collision) which was the best wrestling programme on TV, and anything else he was involved with over there was better than anything else in wrestling during that time, save maybe for The Bloodline angle. But their booker has issues of his own & I stopped watching after how they handled Punk’s departure, @RedwoodOriginal may have more recent feedback.

There’s too much wrestling going on but I’ve been enjoying what Shawn’s been doing in NXT.

But overall the picture for the wrestling business looks bleak & TKO coming in have accelerated that, AEW ate all the great independent companies of all that gave us so many great stars like AJ, Punk, Joe etc and Japanese wrestling has suffered to through working with the likes of AEW & allowing them to poach their talent.

 

[shaz619]

Anyone who thinks Triple H was a great heel has to have rocks for brains. All he did was beat every babyface on the roster. He never lost. Zero personality, mediocre in the ring, a charisma vacuum on the mic... a true 4/10 performer with a 10/10 aptitude for kissing @$$.

I mean 4/10 is not terrible it’s ok, I’d give his puthar a 2 or 3 out of 10. If this sore loser wasn’t such an insecure human garbage can he could have been a true great. On his best day he’s just a poor mans Jeff Jarett & the latter gave this business something at least.

 

[shaz619]

Forget about those guys. He was not even on par with Jericho, Edge and Angle.

During his "Reign of Terror" , he was nowhere near as good as even those guys as they were far superior wrestlers and even better as characters.

And they were far better at elevating young "faces" to main event status than this guy ever was.

The way he sabotaged Jericho’s career so early was criminal, he did everything to try and prove he didn’t belong, because Jericho could easily have executed his role 10x better but Vince could never fully strap Jericho with a rocket while the son in law was about. That false finish when Jericho won the title with the lionsault was more designed for H to say, Hey dad, I told you he don’t belong, but it backfired massively:

 

[shaz619]

@RedwoodOriginal

Everyone got goodies but Redwood bhai got a portrait of The Rock

#NationOfDomination

I wont lie I had a poster of The Rock, alongside Shawn, Taker & Trish Stratus in my room
I was too afraid of Kane.


The Rock was why I fell in love with wrestling, he was just so cool in the late 90’s and early 2000’s.

When he’s cutting a promo now and while it’s good you know it’s scripted, am like man, what happened, having said that The Final Boss was maybe the best character WWE came up with in years.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Anyone who thinks Triple H was a great heel has to have rocks for brains. All he did was beat every babyface on the roster. He never lost. Zero personality, mediocre in the ring, a charisma vacuum on the mic... a true 4/10 performer with a 10/10 aptitude for kissing @$$.

The guy had go away heat rather than heel heat. People just wanted to turn off the tv when he was on.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Forget about those guys. He was not even on par with Jericho, Edge and Angle.

During his "Reign of Terror" , he was nowhere near as good as even those guys as they were far superior wrestlers and even better as characters.

And they were far better at elevating young "faces" to main event status than this guy ever was.

Jericho, Edge and Angle are easily a tier or two above Trips. They actually had you invested in their storylines and matches whether they were faces or heels. Trips just wanted everyone to switch off the tv.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I mean 4/10 is not terrible it’s ok, I’d give his puthar a 2 or 3 out of 10. If this sore loser wasn’t such an insecure human garbage can he could have been a true great. On his best day he’s just a poor mans Jeff Jarett & the latter gave this business something at least.

He could do business when he wanted to, but the reality is that he rarely ever wanted to. He was all about himself, and the simple fact was that Triple H, as a character, personality and in-ring performer was simply not that interesting. The best moments in his career were when he was working with the guys drawing money (Austin, Rock) but he was never the one drawing the money. Only thing I will give him full credit for is Batista. He definitely had a big hand in that and it culminated perfectly at WrestleMania. But on the whole I would say that he has done far more damage to the business than he has been a benefit to it. Just imagine if it was someone like Jericho in that position, getting that push and being sold as a top heel.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

He could do business when he wanted to, but the reality is that he rarely ever wanted to. He was all about himself, and the simple fact was that Triple H, as a character, personality and in-ring performer was simply not that interesting. The best moments in his career were when he was working with the guys drawing money (Austin, Rock) but he was never the one drawing the money. Only thing I will give him full credit for is Batista. He definitely had a big hand in that and it culminated perfectly at WrestleMania. But on the whole I would say that he has done far more damage to the business than he has been a benefit to it. Just imagine if it was someone like Jericho in that position, getting that push and being sold as a top heel.

Honestly, Batista's booking starting from around Survivor Series was pure Vince genius. The tweener arc, the slow burn leading to the Rumble victory and then Mania. Batista's acting chops were perfect during that time. The only thing Trips should get credit for is losing clean to Batista thrice in a space of 6 months.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

The way he sabotaged Jericho’s career so early was criminal, he did everything to try and prove he didn’t belong, because Jericho could easily have executed his role 10x better but Vince could never fully strap Jericho with a rocket while the son in law was about. That false finish when Jericho won the title with the lionsault was more designed for H to say, Hey dad, I told you he don’t belong, but it backfired massively:

The pop when Jericho won was insane. A real 'egg on the face' moment for Trips. He tried everything in his power to bury Jericho, but as they say, you can't keep a good man down. Jericho had the last laugh in kayfabe and real life though. He and Benoit captured the tag belts in that incredible match on SD where HHH tore his quad, and Jericho went on to become the first-ever Undisputed Champion while HHH was sidelined - something that was widely believed to be HHH's spot.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Honestly, Batista's booking starting from around Survivor Series was pure Vince genius. The tweener arc, the slow burn leading to the Rumble victory and then Mania. Batista's acting chops were perfect during that time. The only thing Trips should get credit for is losing clean to Batista thrice in a space of 6 months.

HHH back then had alot of creative control that other wrestlers did not. Most people even say that he was essentially on the RAW creative team at the time. Plus if you hear Batista talk about it, he also seems to indicate that HHH had alot to do with that storyline.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

The way he sabotaged Jericho’s career so early was criminal, he did everything to try and prove he didn’t belong, because Jericho could easily have executed his role 10x better but Vince could never fully strap Jericho with a rocket while the son in law was about. That false finish when Jericho won the title with the lionsault was more designed for H to say, Hey dad, I told you he don’t belong, but it backfired massively:

This was still OK. They buried him really bad in WrestleMania X8. Jericho was red hot in 2001 when son in law was injured.

He was going toe to toe with the Rock and Austin in 2001 and then when SIL came back, he became a proxy for Stephanie for what was essentially a feud between Triple H and Stephanie Mcmahon.

His career as a main eventer never recovered for years after that.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

This was still OK. They buried him really bad in WrestleMania X8. Jericho was red hot in 2001 when son in law was injured.

He was going toe to toe with the Rock and Austin in 2001 and then when SIL came back, he became a proxy for Stephanie for what was essentially a feud between Triple H and Stephanie Mcmahon.

His career as a main eventer never recovered for years after that.

I think that has to go down as one of the worst WrestleMania main-events of all-time. And that's exactly how that feud was booked in a deliberate attempt to minimize Jericho. It should have been Jericho's moment in the sun - main-eventing WrestleMania in his home country, instead, the only reason people remember that match is because it main-evented over Hogan v Rock.

 

[Bhaijaan]

I wont lie I had a poster of The Rock, alongside Shawn, Taker & Trish Stratus in my room
I was too afraid of Kane.


The Rock was why I fell in love with wrestling, he was just so cool in the late 90’s and early 2000’s.

When he’s cutting a promo now and while it’s good you know it’s scripted, am like man, what happened, having said that The Final Boss was maybe the best character WWE came up with in years.

1999-2000 impact of masked Kane on pro wrestling is underrated. He was as big as anyone for a lot of worldwide fans if WWF.

No doubt the Rock and Austin were the main guys from story telling pov.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

HHH back then had alot of creative control that other wrestlers did not. Most people even say that he was essentially on the RAW creative team at the time. Plus if you hear Batista talk about it, he also seems to indicate that HHH had alot to do with that storyline.

He had a lot of creative but I think it was Vince making all the calls. Trips never was that good with booking and giving crowd what they want as we can see now. Batista simply speaks so highly of him because he got the job after Trips had Jindrak replaced and properly put him over in the 3 matches without any dusty finish or 50 50 booking. And the two are close friends which also explains. Same way HBK has never said bad about Trips.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I think that has to go down as one of the worst WrestleMania main-events of all-time. And that's exactly how that feud was booked in a deliberate attempt to minimize Jericho. It should have been Jericho's moment in the sun - main-eventing WrestleMania in his home country, instead, the only reason people remember that match is because it main-evented over Hogan v Rock.

The best thing to come out of that was having Noseley lose the title to Hogan on the very next PPV.