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Since yall may be still watching it I don’t want to spoil, but had to say something still

Roman put this bozo in his place 💀
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Some of this s**t is almost too good to be true. It's like everything we have been saying here for the last how every many months is pretty much completely true. I closed Twitter just because I don't wanna spoil the show and want to see all of this with proper context. But these are some gems that need to be shared with y'all:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2013594472613912745

https://twitter.com/x/status/2013554320416088260
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Man that’s so hard to watch… knowing how hard he worked.. but that’s not it.

Many people work hard but still don’t end up being the right product that gets the right reaction from the crowd like he did. He got himself over and if this was Vince era he would’ve at least been in a way better position rn

Knowing you did everything right. Made a connection with the audience that 99% of pro wrestlers won’t at this level… but had the misfortune of your career peak colliding with the main pioneer of the business stepping aside so his doofus son in law can step in and bury you due to age or whatever.

Feel like those thoughts are what flashed before Knight’s eyes when kutta told him that fumbduck finish.
 
Suleiman said:
Since yall may be still watching it I don’t want to spoil, but had to say something still

Roman put this bozo in his place 💀
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Pretty sure if there was any other person who actually understood wrestling was in charge (Dwayne, Cena, Austin etc), they'd see the value in Knight.
Nose is a fraud.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Pretty sure if there was any other person who actually understood wrestling was in charge (Dwayne, Cena, Austin etc), they'd see the value in Knight.
Nose is a fraud.
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Report says Roman began to reach out to Rock and Nick more often than H.

Yeah Rock has become very corporate and at times shady in the last 2 decades, but he knows the business in a way that nose never could. You see him and you actually see 30+ years of wrestling knowledge. Same with Cena.

Heck, same with every other star who even debuted late 2000s and early 2010s lol. Drew, Cody and Roman all better understand pro wrestling and what’s a good storyline and how to book etc better that kutta.

Never seen someone so awful at something reach the helm at that very thing. Is this why his last name is Helmsley in kayfabe :wenger :asghar
 
This idiot really meant what he said when he said he’s never letting another superstar become bigger than the company ever again.

Which is such a pathetic mindset because if a star is just allowed to grow, and they do become bigger than the company, then they are taking the company WITH THEM on that journey and raising the bar for the rest of the roster even at a developmental level to up their game.

Cena getting big and going to Hollywood meant throughout that entire journey he was putting WWE on the map and bringing in younger fans in droves

Vince wasn’t this insecure about things like this. He understood business.

This is why triple k is so quick to pull the plug on organic baby face turns and when they start getting massive pops… case in point Roman and to a lesser extent LA, even then this ***** only cares about not getting overshadowed instead of being grateful of delivering an a grade product.
 
Suleiman said:
Report says Roman began to reach out to Rock and Nick more often than H.

Yeah Rock has become very corporate and at times shady in the last 2 decades, but he knows the business in a way that nose never could. You see him and you actually see 30+ years of wrestling knowledge. Same with Cena.

Heck, same with every other star who even debuted late 2000s and early 2010s lol. Drew, Cody and Roman all better understand pro wrestling and what’s a good storyline and how to book etc better that kutta.

Never seen someone so awful at something reach the helm at that very thing. Is this why his last name is Helmsley in kayfabe :wenger :asghar
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Any random wrestler can do a better job that Trips honestly at this point. He only hires his buddies like Road Dogg and others. He was shameless enough of taking all the credit for the work done by Ryan Ward and Regal in NXT. He didn't have any plans for Cody's second reign.
On the other hand, he's totally killed the momentum of Aleisteir Black with nonsensical feud with Rtruth and Priest.
Cena carried the whole 2025.
He'll probably have Sami lose out at Rumble to Drew to build their rematch for 2027 Mania
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Any random wrestler can do a better job that Trips honestly at this point. He only hires his buddies like Road Dogg and others. He was shameless enough of taking all the credit for the work done by Ryan Ward and Regal in NXT. He didn't have any plans for Cody's second reign.
On the other hand, he's totally killed the momentum of Aleisteir Black with nonsensical feud with Rtruth and Priest.
Cena carried the whole 2025.
He'll probably have Sami lose out at Rumble to Drew to build their rematch for 2027 Mania
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He really didn’t want to have Drew as champion either

Takes pics with every new champ, didn’t take one with Drew. Just gritted teeth good job on Twitter

If Roman does walk out at the end of the contact, or goes to aew hopefully curtains for this jobber who “married into it” like that guy Javier Bardem played in No Country for Old Men says in the movie. Someone needs to do an ai face swap of that attendant at the gas station with Trips. It would definitely fit. Just imagine the gas station is wwe gorilla. Except he loses the coin toss and gets the 💥
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
LA Knight: " God, I wish I was Eli Drake right now"
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He legitimately hates the guy just because he got over of his own accord & the fans love him, it must be pretty deflating because LA Knight has everything & he keeps taking his ring work to another level. It’s a tough one for him because H would love nothing more than for him to see out the end of his contract.
 
Suleiman said:
Man that’s so hard to watch… knowing how hard he worked.. but that’s not it.

Many people work hard but still don’t end up being the right product that gets the right reaction from the crowd like he did. He got himself over and if this was Vince era he would’ve at least been in a way better position rn

Knowing you did everything right. Made a connection with the audience that 99% of pro wrestlers won’t at this level… but had the misfortune of your career peak colliding with the main pioneer of the business stepping aside so his doofus son in law can step in and bury you due to age or whatever.

Feel like those thoughts are what flashed before Knight’s eyes when kutta told him that fumbduck finish.
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The look in LA Knight's face just sums it up. It's a look of resignation. Feel bad for him. This guy deserves so much better.
 
shaz619 said:
He legitimately hates the guy just because he got over of his own accord & the fans love him, it must be pretty deflating because LA Knight has everything & he keeps taking his ring work to another level. It’s a tough one for him because H would love nothing more than for him to see out the end of his contract.
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Suleiman said:
Man that’s so hard to watch… knowing how hard he worked.. but that’s not it.

Many people work hard but still don’t end up being the right product that gets the right reaction from the crowd like he did. He got himself over and if this was Vince era he would’ve at least been in a way better position rn

Knowing you did everything right. Made a connection with the audience that 99% of pro wrestlers won’t at this level… but had the misfortune of your career peak colliding with the main pioneer of the business stepping aside so his doofus son in law can step in and bury you due to age or whatever.

Feel like those thoughts are what flashed before Knight’s eyes when kutta told him that fumbduck finish.
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Apparently the video is from after the MITB match and this is the full story:

tjrwrestling.net

LA Knight's Embarrassing Botch Left Triple H & Top WWE Star Angry – TJR Wrestling

LA Knight vs. Seth Rollins at Money in the Bank 2025 was supposed to be the highlight of the men's ladder match.
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It's too bad Triple H didn't have the same reaction when Seth Rollins nearly killed Sting, broke Finn Balor's shoulder or injured himself because of a completely brainless move while he was the World Champion!
 
shaz619 said:
That’s funny because I stopped around the 16 min mark, need a full day to recover before continuing this garbage & we get to the bits I can really fume over.

You are completely right, first 15 min is H’s version of my ‘Sonah Sonah Puthar’ on loop,

But don’t forget, vanity project number 2 is there to in Lyra, she took up 90% of H’s brain power for a good 4 months.

The most interesting part of his life was being tackled by a wrestling fan, I mean, it’s kinda poetic, that ‘fan’ could have been any of us really.

Defo watch the Punk match though
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This was such a fantastic match, and such a great reminder of what an asset Finn Balor is. I mean granted, he was among his peeps, but not only was he over like gangbusters, he was also the stand-out performer in this match, which is not something you usually get to say after a CM Punk match.

Btw remember when there were rumors swirling that Finn Balor was going to get a big push in 2025? I think that might have also been one of those 'I'll strap a rocket to ya' type of deals. :kp
 
Suleiman said:
He really didn’t want to have Drew as champion either

Takes pics with every new champ, didn’t take one with Drew. Just gritted teeth good job on Twitter

If Roman does walk out at the end of the contact, or goes to aew hopefully curtains for this jobber who “married into it” like that guy Javier Bardem played in No Country for Old Men says in the movie. Someone needs to do an ai face swap of that attendant at the gas station with Trips. It would definitely fit. Just imagine the gas station is wwe gorilla. Except he loses the coin toss and gets the 💥
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Think Roman can get things his way if he wants (he doesn't have ego problems). Don't see him leaving him WWE still.
Think Vince getting replaced by Nose was one reason why Cena decided to retire as well.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
This was such a fantastic match, and such a great reminder of what an asset Finn Balor is. I mean granted, he was among his peeps, but not only was he over like gangbusters, he was also the stand-out performer in this match, which is not something you usually get to say after a CM Punk match.

Btw remember when there were rumors swirling that Finn Balor was going to get a big push in 2025? I think that might have also been one of those 'I'll strap a rocket to ya' type of deals. :kp
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Have always been a Balor fan. Has showed time and again how good he is. Is also Mr NXT.
 
shaz619 said:
That’s funny because I stopped around the 16 min mark, need a full day to recover before continuing this garbage & we get to the bits I can really fume over.

You are completely right, first 15 min is H’s version of my ‘Sonah Sonah Puthar’ on loop,

But don’t forget, vanity project number 2 is there to in Lyra, she took up 90% of H’s brain power for a good 4 months.

The most interesting part of his life was being tackled by a wrestling fan, I mean, it’s kinda poetic, that ‘fan’ could have been any of us really.
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Finally managed to finish episode 1,

Becky is a great wrestler but she seems like an insufferable person to be around in real-life. I mean she is married to cringe lord so should we really be surprised? But I'm not sure if I needed to see a 50 min ep/ of a worked reality TV-style documentary to find that out.

Lyra came off as a giant nerd in this. Maybe Cornette had a point when he said all the marks were getting into the wrestling business. The funniest part was when they showed the crowd chanting 'one more time' after heel Becky knocked the daylights out of babyface Lyra with her finisher.
 
Man this line was dropped so well but it was done at the worst possible time.
At any other Mania, this feud would have been amazing for the promos.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Finally managed to finish episode 1,

Becky is a great wrestler but she seems like an insufferable person to be around in real-life. I mean she is married to cringe lord so should we really be surprised? But I'm not sure if I needed to see a 50 min ep/ of a worked reality TV-style documentary to find that out.

Lyra came off as a giant nerd in this. Maybe Cornette had a point when he said all the marks were getting into the wrestling business. The funniest part was when they showed the crowd chanting 'one more time' after heel Becky knocked the daylights out of babyface Lyra with her finisher.
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I’m on episode 2 now, and man, he has such an easy tell when he’s lying through his teeth, and it’s funny that he thinks he comes across well for how he handled the R-Truth situation, he basically admitted he wanted to let him go due to his huge ego and saw no value in him. I didn’t realise how close Road Dog & Truth remained, Road Dog came across ok even if he did have a bias here, at least he has never been a racist scumbag.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Finally managed to finish episode 1,

Becky is a great wrestler but she seems like an insufferable person to be around in real-life. I mean she is married to cringe lord so should we really be surprised? But I'm not sure if I needed to see a 50 min ep/ of a worked reality TV-style documentary to find that out.

Lyra came off as a giant nerd in this. Maybe Cornette had a point when he said all the marks were getting into the wrestling business. The funniest part was when they showed the crowd chanting 'one more time' after heel Becky knocked the daylights out of babyface Lyra with her finisher.
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That shot where they are the beach, man what the hell? I just listened to Austin’s interview with CCV which was hilarious for other reasons I wont go into just yet but he mentioned how wrestling now lacks killers, guys you would legit think twice about tackling, someone like a Lesnar still has that edge but nobody else, you’re right too many marks and you got that dork walking the beach man, what? If he just kept walking towards the Ocean and never stopped - I’d pop for Seth Rollins for the first time in his career.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
This was such a fantastic match, and such a great reminder of what an asset Finn Balor is. I mean granted, he was among his peeps, but not only was he over like gangbusters, he was also the stand-out performer in this match, which is not something you usually get to say after a CM Punk match.

Btw remember when there were rumors swirling that Finn Balor was going to get a big push in 2025? I think that might have also been one of those 'I'll strap a rocket to ya' type of deals. :kp
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The Rocket is waiting to launch in 2035
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I felt that match was all Punk mostly due to his creativity again & while Balor was a great dance partner, Punk’s overall ring generalship was the standout thing for me. I know Balor is capable of better though, but for TV, he adjusted nicely; I do feel he really brings it with the demon paint, and unfortunately we wont ever see that under H, that was a main-event calibre gimmick they never fully exploited, and even worse when he got a push from 4/10 during the black & gold days, you just question what kind of booker he really was, just a delegator who couldn’t wait to open the shows like he was Heyman in the 90’s.

Ciampa is leaving too sadly, that street fight with Gargano - one of the best modern gimmick matches ever.
 
shaz619 said:
The Rocket is waiting to launch in 2035
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I felt that match was all Punk mostly due to his creativity again & while Balor was a great dance partner, Punk’s overall ring generalship was the standout thing for me. I know Balor is capable of better though, but for TV, he adjusted nicely; I do feel he really brings it with the demon paint, and unfortunately we wont ever see that under H, that was a main-event calibre gimmick they never fully exploited, and even worse when he got a push from 4/10 during the black & gold days, you just question what kind of booker he really was, just a delegator who couldn’t wait to open the shows like he was Heyman in the 90’s.

Ciampa is leaving too sadly, that street fight with Gargano - one of the best modern gimmick matches ever.
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Ciampa wasn't even given a proper chance on the main roster. He has the mic skills and character work to get over with the casuals. In addition he is already a pretty good worker. Nose has booked so much good talent to fail just so that his favorites keep getting unwarranted pushes.
 
https://twitter.com/x/status/2014935071229440373
A 1 month build up to their legendary Mania 17 mainevent didn't do justice to the significance of these two for WWE.
It was such a brilliant segment. No corny roasting, no hated animosity. Two guys at the top of the food chain talking like adults for the top title. A fantastic segment. No overproduction.
Man this takes me back to the times pro wrestling was really UNREAL.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/2014935071229440373
A 1 month build up to their legendary Mania 17 mainevent didn't do justice to the significance of these two for WWE.
It was such a brilliant segment. No corny roasting, no hated animosity. Two guys at the top of the food chain talking like adults for the top title. A fantastic segment. No overproduction.
Man this takes me back to the times pro wrestling was really UNREAL.
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if doofus was in charge then he would’ve shown behind the scene footage of this and killed this segment entirely

That clown thinks he’s Steven Spielberg showing behind the scenes like he’s a movie director
 
Suleiman said:
if doofus was in charge then he would’ve shown behind the scene footage of this and killed this segment entirely

That clown thinks he’s Steven Spielberg showing behind the scenes like he’s a movie director
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And most of the times, he ends up making himself and his stooges like idiots which they are.
Prichard is such a ball-less yes man. He remained one under Vince for decades and as soon as Nose got in power, he started to suck him off as well.
 
After more than a month away, I was finally able to watch a full WWE show yesterday without dozing off.
Drew getting the title from Cody has sort of freshened up the scene.
It's actually good that they didn't turn Jacob Fatu back into a heel and his segment with Cody was actually good. And he was able to stand toe to toe with WWE's top guy and Cody (the top guy) was refreshing in this segment as well. This was not his usual promo. He actually felt like an angry challenger at the same level now where Fatu is.


Drew isn't being treated like a true champion that he is. His promo was booked with nothing of substance of say or direction. That's just Nose being a despicable booker. Forcing Drew to look like a chump when he should be booked like a big tough top heel.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
After more than a month away, I was finally able to watch a full WWE show yesterday without dozing off.
Drew getting the title from Cody has sort of freshened up the scene.
It's actually good that they didn't turn Jacob Fatu back into a heel and his segment with Cody was actually good. And he was able to stand toe to toe with WWE's top guy and Cody (the top guy) was refreshing in this segment as well. This was not his usual promo. He actually felt like an angry challenger at the same level now where Fatu is.


Drew isn't being treated like a true champion that he is. His promo was booked with nothing of substance of say or direction. That's just Nose being a despicable booker. Forcing Drew to look like a chump when he should be booked like a big tough top heel.
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Because Kutta is not happy with him becoming champion.

He was happy with his steroid ridden ass being treated as a top dog burying stars bigger than him left and right to make himself look like a super heel which to this day no one buys.

But to an actual super heel he’s trying to convey him as a sniveling coward. Funnily enough, no one is buying that either.

It looks like a lion crawling away the way he was booked to crawl out the entrance ramp with title in hand after the cage match.

In Sha Allah this greedy jobber meets his demise soon so we can finally see the full star potential of the current and future roster take form without the whole wwe being tailored to making kutta seem like our generation’s Stephen Spielberg and all pro wrestlers he doesn’t like as extras on set.

If I see this guy irl I am spitting in his direction and if he asks why I’ll tell him I’m honoring his entrance by spitting water at him.
 
shaz619 said:
I’m on episode 2 now, and man, he has such an easy tell when he’s lying through his teeth, and it’s funny that he thinks he comes across well for how he handled the R-Truth situation, he basically admitted he wanted to let him go due to his huge ego and saw no value in him. I didn’t realise how close Road Dog & Truth remained, Road Dog came across ok even if he did have a bias here, at least he has never been a racist scumbag.
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I'm not sure if this episode had the intended effect he wanted it to, because it basically just exposed him as a bald-faced liar trying to save his own a$$ after he overplayed his hand and fired someone who was truly beloved by the fans and the locker-room.

Road Dogg came off pretty poorly IMO. Not as a person, but as someone involved in the creative process of this show. Most of the time he seems completely dumb-founded and lost for ideas. I think there was a moment when he pretty much just gave up because he didn't have any ideas for Chelsea Green.

Which kinda begs the question, what exactly is the point of this show anyway if Triple H and his friends are coming off so poorly?

Has anyone come off well in this show besides that writer who said that Gunther shouldn't lose to Pat MacAfee because it would be kinda outrageous and would bury Gunther completely.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Excluding Sting, Flair, Y2J and Foley from the poster is so stupid while they've included Bischoff and Chyna. Even DDP should have been there.
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Bischoff was a major player during the Attitude Era so his face should be there. Not sure if Y2J or Flair were as big a part of it as the others. Chyna is definitely an excuse to just get a woman on the poster.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Bischoff was a major player during the Attitude Era so his face should be there. Not sure if Y2J or Flair were as big a part of it as the others. Chyna is definitely an excuse to just get a woman on the poster.
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Vince should have been there instead of Chyna if Bischoff gets in. Sting was a bigger reason for WCW's ascent than Hall I'd say.
Y2J was very active in keeping the mid card alive in AE. I loved his feud with Kane and Angle.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Vince should have been there instead of Chyna if Bischoff gets in. Sting was a bigger reason for WCW's ascent than Hall I'd say.
Y2J was very active in keeping the mid card alive in AE. I loved his feud with Kane and Angle.
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Can't say I agree. Sting was in WCW for years before Scott Hall and Kevin Nash got there. But that moment when those two showed up in WCW is widely regarded as the moment when WCW's ascent began. Infact Sting didn't wrestle a match for a year from 1996 to 1997. That storyline centered around him paid off much later when WCW was the established No. 1 brand.

Sting should be on the cover but in-place of Booker T, who was pretty much a mid-carder/tag team wrestler until just before the very end.

Yeah but he wasn't one of the main players. He wasn't a bigger player than Austin, Rock, Taker, Angle, HHH, Foley, Kane. Vince is not there for obvious reasons. No company would want to damage their reputation or PR by putting his face on the cover of their video-game. Wrestling fans may have complex opinions about him but average consumers don't.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Can't say I agree. Sting was in WCW for years before Scott Hall and Kevin Nash got there. But that moment when those two showed up in WCW is widely regarded as the moment when WCW's ascent began. Infact Sting didn't wrestle a match for a year from 1996 to 1997. That storyline centered around him paid off much later when WCW was the established No. 1 brand.

Sting should be on the cover but in-place of Booker T, who was pretty much a mid-carder/tag team wrestler until just before the very end.

Yeah but he wasn't one of the main players. He wasn't a bigger player than Austin, Rock, Taker, Angle, HHH, Foley, Kane. Vince is not there for obvious reasons. No company would want to damage their reputation or PR by putting his face on the cover of their video-game. Wrestling fans may have complex opinions about him but average consumers don't.
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Yes it is but I doubt Hall was as active as Hogan and Nash in WCW as part of NWO. Hogan and Nash were the more involved guys in the top card. Although I liked Hall as a wrestler more than Nash and Hogan but I don't think he alone played as big of a role in WCW. Yes I do agree Booker wasn't a main staple of WCW. In fact even in the near end, Steiner was getting a bigger push than Booker till WWE bought WCW.

Regarding Vince, I agree but it would have been better to put someone else's face like Foley or Kane ahead of Chyna/
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Yes it is but I doubt Hall was as active as Hogan and Nash in WCW as part of NWO. Hogan and Nash were the more involved guys in the top card. Although I liked Hall as a wrestler more than Nash and Hogan but I don't think he alone played as big of a role in WCW. Yes I do agree Booker wasn't a main staple of WCW. In fact even in the near end, Steiner was getting a bigger push than Booker till WWE bought WCW.

Regarding Vince, I agree but it would have been better to put someone else's face like Foley or Kane ahead of Chyna/
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He was the first guy who walked out from the crowd and kicked off that whole storyline, so yeah, he did have a pretty big impact. Without him in there the whole thing doesn't work. Him and Nash being friends in real life and the smart fans knowing about it added to the realism of the storyline. Hogan was the center-piece, but Nash and Hall were the glue that held that group together. His career may have gone downhill later on because of substance abuse issues but Scott Hall during that first year of the nWo was one of the biggest stars on that roster.
 
I would love to see Finn Balor treated more seriously and booked like a credible wrestler but I have zero faith in 4/10's booking. But I definitely like the idea of Balor being the babyface in his potential future feud with Dom. Dom is one of those guys who should remain a heel for the foreseeable future, or atleast until he establishes himself as a main-eventer.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I would love to see Finn Balor treated more seriously and booked like a credible wrestler but I have zero faith in 4/10's booking. But I definitely like the idea of Balor being the babyface in his potential future feud with Dom. Dom is one of those guys who should remain a heel for the foreseeable future, or atleast until he establishes himself as a main-eventer.
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What was the point of turning him face for 2 weeks? That's so stupid about Nose. He doesn't know what he is doing with the booking apart from his favorite 4-5 guys.
 
Ciampa debuts in AEW to a monster pop.
Not an AEW fan, but happy for Ciampa, hopefully he'll be given more chances there and will be able to do some good character work like he did in NXT.
 
Who do you guys think will win the royal rumble?
Think the most obvious answer is Roman.
An out of the box answer = LA Knight
Worst case scenario = Seth
 
BunnyRabbit said:
He says this about every Raw or SD. It will be a start of a new era blah blah.
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Let's see what they do. The bar has been set so low because of the last few Rumbles (even some of the ones where Vince was in-charge) that at this point fans will just lose their minds if Jericho and Powerhouse Hobbs show up and we get Brock face-to-face with the likes of Gunther and/or Oba Femi.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
What was the point of turning him face for 2 weeks? That's so stupid about Nose. He doesn't know what he is doing with the booking apart from his favorite 4-5 guys.
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Well they were in Northern Ireland so it made sense to have him be a babyface there but in general he has lacked direction ever since Judgement Day imploded, which is a shame because he seems like one of the most hard-working guys on the roster. Always delivers in the ring and is probably the most in-shape/physically fit guy on the entire roster.

I will never forget the crowd reaction at SummerSlam when he hit his finisher on Rollins and the fans were just ready to pop for the title-change. But ofc 4/10 had other plans
 
Raja Ishtiaq said:
Yeah the number one heel wrestler maineventing every other PPV in 2000 was not important during the AE

Think this might interest you though

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I guess your memory is just as good as your understanding of wrestling. Austin was out for close to a year between 1999 and late-2000, which is when Harley Race 2.0 stepped into the picture. Not to mention, Foley had retired by WrestleMania 2000 too.

Your point? Bret is entitled to his opinion, doesn't make it gospel.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Let's see what they do. The bar has been set so low because of the last few Rumbles (even some of the ones where Vince was in-charge) that at this point fans will just lose their minds if Jericho and Powerhouse Hobbs show up and we get Brock face-to-face with the likes of Gunther and/or Oba Femi.
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Gunther's character has lost so much heat after beating Cena paradoxically that I am inclined to think Oba Femi should debut as a monster and face off with Brock maybe.
I don't know but Jericho has a tour planned in Feb in Europe with Fozzy. So the more i think about it, his appearance may seem unlikely. Or maybe he could just show up at Rumble and then follow up in March.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I guess your memory is just as good as your understanding of wrestling. Austin was out for close to a year between 1999 and late-2000, which is when Harley Race 2.0 stepped into the picture. Not to mention, Foley had retired by WrestleMania 2000 too.

Your point? Bret is entitled to his opinion, doesn't make it gospel.
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Austin? How does Austin aka the biggest babyface in the company being out has any relevance to H³ aka a heel? Again with Foley, another babyface. How is his retiremant relevant to HHH? If anyone benefited from Austin being out in 2000, it was Rock who became the top babyface as a result.

You gunther fanboy kids need to stop pretending you were watching wrestling back then or were old enough to know what was actually going on because your exposing your lack of knowledge big time
 
Raja Ishtiaq said:
Austin? How does Austin aka the biggest babyface in the company being out has any relevance to H³ aka a heel? Again with Foley, another babyface. How is his retiremant relevant to HHH? If anyone benefited from Austin being out in 2000, it was Rock who became the top babyface as a result.

You gunther fanboy kids need to stop pretending you were watching wrestling back then or were old enough to know what was actually going on because your exposing your lack of knowledge big time
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I'd rather be a Gunther fanboy than someone w*cking off to pictures of roid-belly H thinking that constitutes as 'being in shape'. Hope you see the inside of a gym someday and get out of whatever fungus-ridden basement you are dwelling in.

Austin being out matters because when the biggest draw disappears, the whole main-event picture changes. Rock became the top babyface, and HHH got handed the top heel role because WWE needed someone to fill that spot and surprise, surprise it's the guy who is sleeping with the boss’s daughter. What a coincidence.

You also seem to confuse someone being pushed hard with someone actually being the draw, or having any talent. Rock and Austin moved numbers, ratings, PPV buys, only thing HHH moved was himself into Stephanie's bed. If he was such a massive draw then why is it that as soon as Austin came back the focus started shifting towards Austin v Rock again? I could literally be born yesterday and I would still understand wrestling better than you ever will.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I'd rather be a Gunther fanboy than someone w*cking off to pictures of roid-belly H thinking that constitutes as 'being in shape'. Hope you see the inside of a gym someday and get out of whatever fungus-ridden basement you are dwelling in.

Austin being out matters because when the biggest draw disappears, the whole main-event picture changes. Rock became the top babyface, and HHH got handed the top heel role because WWE needed someone to fill that spot and surprise, surprise it's the guy who is sleeping with the boss’s daughter. What a coincidence.

You also seem to confuse someone being pushed hard with someone actually being the draw, or having any talent. Rock and Austin moved numbers, ratings, PPV buys, only thing HHH moved was himself into Stephanie's bed. If he was such a massive draw then why is it that as soon as Austin came back the focus started shifting towards Austin v Rock again? I could literally be born yesterday and I would still understand wrestling better than you ever will.
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Yeah because if Austin stayed he would have been the top heel instead of H³ hahahaha. Best to read what you write a few times before posting it.

And who said Triple H was a bigger draw than austin and rock? He was the top heel at the company.

You kids are probably fantasising about gunter or whatever he's called chopping your chest with eyes rolled back 🤣

Leave the talk about attitude era/Monday night wars to those who were watching the product on a weekly basis like yours truly. The one and only Raja Ishtiaq.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Well they were in Northern Ireland so it made sense to have him be a babyface there but in general he has lacked direction ever since Judgement Day imploded, which is a shame because he seems like one of the most hard-working guys on the roster. Always delivers in the ring and is probably the most in-shape/physically fit guy on the entire roster.

I will never forget the crowd reaction at SummerSlam when he hit his finisher on Rollins and the fans were just ready to pop for the title-change. But ofc 4/10 had other plans
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They should have built on that face turn in Ireland. He received a great pop in the backstage segment with Punk on Raw as well. But clueless booking from 1/10 again.
 
Raja Ishtiaq said:
Yeah because if Austin stayed he would have been the top heel instead of H³ hahahaha. Best to read what you write a few times before posting it.

And who said Triple H was a bigger draw than austin and rock? He was the top heel at the company.

You kids are probably fantasising about gunter or whatever he's called chopping your chest with eyes rolled back 🤣

Leave the talk about attitude era/Monday night wars to those who were watching the product on a weekly basis like yours truly. The one and only Raja Ishtiaq.
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I watched AE and Nitro live during that time.
Triple H was never the main focus of the product till Austin and Dwayne left and AE ended.
I remember they tried to book a heel vs heel match in Kurt vs Triple H on Rumble 2001 and literally no one cared about Nose. The crowd was dead in that match. They only popped once Austin intefered.
Even during the six man HIAC match, Nose was just there scheming with Rikishi and turned on him during the match just so they could give him some storyline for being in the match. Even in the 6 man HIAC match, the main focus were Rock and Austin and Kurt sneaked in with a win there.
You don't have to brag about that as I may be older than you and actually followed WWE from 1998 onwards.
 
Raja Ishtiaq said:
Austin? How does Austin aka the biggest babyface in the company being out has any relevance to H³ aka a heel? Again with Foley, another babyface. How is his retiremant relevant to HHH? If anyone benefited from Austin being out in 2000, it was Rock who became the top babyface as a result.

You gunther fanboy kids need to stop pretending you were watching wrestling back then or were old enough to know what was actually going on because your exposing your lack of knowledge big time
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The top heel in 1998-99 was Vince, Taker and later Dwayne. When Austin got injured, they turned Dwayne face again and Dwayne needed a heel to face, which is where was brought in. He was never the main focus of AE. It was always Austin, Rock and Taker in that order.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Let's see what they do. The bar has been set so low because of the last few Rumbles (even some of the ones where Vince was in-charge) that at this point fans will just lose their minds if Jericho and Powerhouse Hobbs show up and we get Brock face-to-face with the likes of Gunther and/or Oba Femi.
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I do however think Jeff Hardy might enter the Rumble as a surprise and whether its 2000 or 2026, the crowd loves him.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Well they were in Northern Ireland so it made sense to have him be a babyface there but in general he has lacked direction ever since Judgement Day imploded, which is a shame because he seems like one of the most hard-working guys on the roster. Always delivers in the ring and is probably the most in-shape/physically fit guy on the entire roster.

I will never forget the crowd reaction at SummerSlam when he hit his finisher on Rollins and the fans were just ready to pop for the title-change. But ofc 4/10 had other plans
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I have always maintained Balor was the better wrestler than Seth. His matches flow much better than Seth and rarely ever stumbles in the sequences. And his matches actually have good in ring psychology (eg his match with Brock where he targeted his gut considering his past problems with divertulitis) and good entertaining matches like the one against Roman (that had a bogus finish with ropes breaking).
Hoping he gets his flowers. The guy started Bullet Club and will always be Mr NXT.
He got 2 great matches out of freaking Karrion Kross in NXT.
 
Raja Ishtiaq said:
Yeah because if Austin stayed he would have been the top heel instead of H³ hahahaha. Best to read what you write a few times before posting it.

And who said Triple H was a bigger draw than austin and rock? He was the top heel at the company.

You kids are probably fantasising about gunter or whatever he's called chopping your chest with eyes rolled back 🤣

Leave the talk about attitude era/Monday night wars to those who were watching the product on a weekly basis like yours truly. The one and only Raja Ishtiaq.
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You do know that Austin literally turned heel a few months after returning? The entire storyline of him making his comeback, winning the Rumble and beating Rock for the belt at WrestleMania culminated with him turning heel and aligning with Vince.

A 4/10 fanboy like you needs to stop pretending you were watching wrestling back then or were old enough to know what was actually going on because your exposing your lack of knowledge big time
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
You do know that Austin literally turned heel a few months after returning? The entire storyline of him making his comeback, winning the Rumble and beating Rock for the belt at WrestleMania culminated with him turning heel and aligning with Vince.

A 4/10 fanboy like you needs to stop pretending you were watching wrestling back then or were old enough to know what was actually going on because your exposing your lack of knowledge big time
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That wasn't the plan in 1999 when Austin first took time out. HHH was fully established as the top heel in the company at the time
:facepalm

Austin turning heel in 2001 was Austins idea as he felt his character needed a change. Look it up
:facepalm


Gen Z kids getting information about the attitude era from tweets online, and trying to argue with someone who was watching the shows religiously back then
:facepalm
 
Let's switch it up as I feel like it's now my duty to educate you youngins.

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Gen Z kids won't know how big of a deal this man was during Monday night wars era.
 
Raja Ishtiaq said:
That wasn't the plan in 1999 when Austin first took time out. HHH was fully established as the top heel in the company at the time
:facepalm

Austin turning heel in 2001 was Austins idea as he felt his character needed a change. Look it up
:facepalm


Gen Z kids getting information about the attitude era from tweets online, and trying to argue with someone who was watching the shows religiously back then
:facepalm
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Yeah I already know this dum dum. Look what you wrote in your last post before opening your mouth. I'm convinced you don't read what you write, which is pretty ironic to say the least. Austin always wanted to turn heel so it would have happened sooner rather than later had he not needed to get neck surgery. It's hilarious to see a Eugene like you turn up on this forum acting like he has any idea what he's talking about, trying to educate people who know more about wrestling than your basement dwelling @$$ ever will
 
Raja Ishtiaq said:
That wasn't the plan in 1999 when Austin first took time out. HHH was fully established as the top heel in the company at the time
:facepalm

Austin turning heel in 2001 was Austins idea as he felt his character needed a change. Look it up
:facepalm


Gen Z kids getting information about the attitude era from tweets online, and trying to argue with someone who was watching the shows religiously back then
:facepalm
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Not to mention Austin was the top heel for the entireity of 2001 after Mania 17 and didn't turn back till '02. 4/10 literally had to turn face because Austin took his spot. So 4/10 🤡came back after tearing his quad to do a lame feud with Stephanie while completely burying/minimizing Jericho in one if the all-time worst Mania main-events
 
Raja Ishtiaq said:
Let's switch it up as I feel like it's now my duty to educate you youngins.

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Gen Z kids won't know how big of a deal this man was during Monday night wars era.
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Yeah we already know Eugene. Look up the posts on the last page. Me and @BunnyRabbit were literally talking about Hall and Nash a couple of days ago.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Yeah I already know this dum dum.
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You definitely don't. Your absolutely clueless about that era of wrestling.


RedwoodOriginal said:
Austin always wanted to turn heel so it would have happened sooner rather than later had he not needed to get neck surgery
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Wrong (Yet again lol). Austin had reservations about initially turning face but was swayed by JR when he reminded him about his merch sales. Austin only decided to turn heel after seeing Rock's meteoric rise as the top babyface and needing to do something different.


RedwoodOriginal said:
It's hilarious to see a Eugene like you turn up on this forum acting like he has any idea what he's talking about, trying to educate people who know more about wrestling than your basement dwelling @$$ ever will
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You should stick to talking about the worst era of wrestling today. Spamming of finishers, thigh slap kicks, choreographed wrestling. That is YOUR level. When I have a question about this era of wrestling then you will be allowed to speak. Leave the Attitude era/Monday Night era talk to those who weren't going number 2 in their pampers at the time.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Not to mention Austin was the top heel for the entireity of 2001 after Mania 17 and didn't turn back till '02. 4/10 literally had to turn face because Austin took his spot. So 4/10 🤡came back after tearing his quad to do a lame feud with Stephanie while completely burying/minimizing Jericho in one if the all-time worst Mania main-events
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Think my work here is done.

I will let you gen z kids go back to talking about gunther shunter 🤣

Yall ain't on my level so I shouldn't be wasting my time debating with such goofs.
 
Raja Ishtiaq said:
You definitely don't. Your absolutely clueless about that era of wrestling.




Wrong (Yet again lol). Austin had reservations about initially turning face but was swayed by JR when he reminded him about his merch sales. Austin only decided to turn heel after seeing Rock's meteoric rise as the top babyface and needing to do something different.




You should stick to talking about the worst era of wrestling today. Spamming of finishers, thigh slap kicks, choreographed wrestling. That is YOUR level. When I have a question about this era of wrestling then you will be allowed to speak. Leave the Attitude era/Monday Night era talk to those who weren't going number 2 in their pampers at the time.
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Bark bark bark. All you've done is bark incessantly, uttered a bunch of bulls*it that was immediately disproven and then resorted back to barking about how you were alive during the Attitude era. There is nothing you've said here that makes anyone think you done anything more than watching vides on WWE's YouTube channel. Now go back to wh*cking off to oiled up pics of 4/10 and leave the wrestling talk to those who actually understand it.
 
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