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Recommend this vlog, wish it was longer:


Hit me right in the feels, was somebody cutting onions when he ran to the back after the match with Gunther
:yk3 And 100% I would be like Charlotte in that video lol

This vlog & that pod with Steph is kind of making me realise this is the end for him, I hope we can all get closure this Monday on RAW.

Truly the best of his era and decades from now he will be discussed in the same breath as Flair & Shawn when it comes to the greatest in-ring performers in history. The respect he commands in the dressing room just reinforces what a legend he is, there’s not a single person he hasn’t inspired.

I think a proper farewell tour would have been too much for AJ.

Just Punk & Joe left now :( Bryan is pretty much retired as well.
 
The gameplay will be the same but they’ve returned some of the match-types we loved and made it a bit more interactive, add in the Punk Showcase mode and 2k26 might actually be worth it this year when there is a sale. I wonder if they will include the Summer of Punk or leave it out due to Vince, would be a huge shame.

But man, can’t believe they have added ROH Punk & even got Miseria Cantare!!! @RedwoodOriginal


I was just rewatching his entrance at AEW Revolution in 2022 and man - with JR in the booth!!!! Those idiot fans did not know what they had man…..he have that audience everything….
 
Subtle things you don’t notice when you’re in the moment, MJF, such a god damn mark of the golden era of indie wrestling - As a nod to Punk’s feud with Raven & responding to the mind games, he sits in the corner, as did Raven, all those years ago for the dog collar match he had with Punk! This is what Punk feuds in AEW were before the bell even rang, the depth of psychology was unreal and even before he came back to the E, I said this is just like the rebirth of Shawn’s second run in the 2000’s, such was the quality of his work man!
 
Bring back Vinnie Mac!

Yes he's a weirdo with strange kinks but you have to understand he's American and its normal there to be weirdo.

Other than that, the man's freak genius and knows how to put on a crazy show brother.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Bring back Vinnie Mac!

Yes he's a weirdo with strange kinks but you have to understand he's American and its normal there to be weirdo.

Other than that, the man's freak genius and knows how to put on a crazy show brother.
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There’s a lot which he could get done for, but he’s innocent in this case, this gold digger created this storm after the cheques stopped being deposited into her account, when it comes elite whoring, this is something I’ve never seen before. She seems like a real mental case, I mean what kind of person is happy for another human to take a dump on their head and be cool with it, and she was, and didn’t complain about any of it lol Just look at them gifts.
 
shaz619 said:
Ramadan Mubarak brother and everyone else @Suleiman @Rana , I took my ball home but welcomed back thanks to the diplomacy of the Netflix CEO & Nick Khan
:ykBut there’s an NDA that had to be signed in regards to the legendary lower order T20I specialist
:bobs . Completely agree on Punk, the one reason I still tune in to this, even after 10+ years he is still the best in the world and easily the greatest WHC of all time with the current lineage of the belt and we’ve not even scratched the surface with his character.

I had a big laugh over this:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2023592085736091989

I’ve never seen WWE plug AJ as much as they have recently for the show in Atlanta, despite my strong opinions, I am glad he is being honoured properly regardless of whether or not in leads to something more.
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Welcome back brother, and Ramazan Mubarak to you aswell. Sorry for the late reply. I had been meaning to get back to you but been caught up with stuff and kept forgetting. :jimmy

Ngl I was worried Triple H sent some goons to your house but glad to see you back. This thread was not the same without you. Was definitely missing your presence when a certain riff raff jobber infiltrated this place :afridi1
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Welcome back brother, and Ramazan Mubarak to you aswell. Sorry for the late reply. I had been meaning to get back to you but been caught up with stuff and kept forgetting. :jimmy

Ngl I was worried Triple H sent some goons to your house but glad to see you back. This thread was not the same without you. Was definitely missing your presence when a certain riff raff jobber infiltrated this place :afridi1
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Nice one bro, missed you guys but I had been handcuffed like Austin (I did try reaching on the older platform but that’s censored in Pak now I believe), bah gawd the jobbers will feel the power of the Ultimate Warrior
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Are you excited for the show in Atlanta? I am going to check out the replay on Wednesday, it might be the day 4/10 finally figures out how to book AJ, but it may be too late :(

I feel like the E need AJ for WM, but lets see what happens.
 
https://twitter.com/x/status/2026217741707821548

This tore me up and I shed some tears, but my heart is full, the tribute for AJ was beautiful, I am ignoring the show as a whole, but they done him justice and especially what his legacy means to fans and his peers. I had flash backs to the early 2000’s, never would I dream off Undertaker coming down the ramp with the entire locker room behind him, just to pay respect to AJ Styles in the biggest way imaginable.
 
Suleiman said:
M Nawaz to entire England batting line up in his initial overs: I’m gonna put a rocket on ya :asghar

This meme won’t die until this stooge is in power
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Did you see how he came out for the final segment only when the camera’s were on, during the dark segment he did not enter the ring.

Hopefully Vince buys the WWE back with the help of the Saudi’s, Vince opened the doors for Riyad Season, so if he wants to get back into the business, they need to return the debt to him; Vince can then properly transition the ownership of the company to Shane McMahon.
 
WWE isn't global enough for 2026 audience.

They go to Saudi every year multiple times and yet tere's no Mohammad Hasaan or even Daivari. Might as well get a Indian, Pakistani star also at this point.
 
shaz619 said:
Did you see how he came out for the final segment only when the camera’s were on, during the dark segment he did not enter the ring.

Hopefully Vince buys the WWE back with the help of the Saudi’s, Vince opened the doors for Riyad Season, so if he wants to get back into the business, they need to return the debt to him; Vince can then properly transition the ownership of the company to Shane McMahon.
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If we can get a guy like Turki who made a name for himself in boxing promotion based in Middle East in the realm of pro wrestling, we’d be set. Ofc as someone to buy them out.

Am pretty certain the gears are already churning. Wwe is still a cash cow if done right, it’s like myth of Pak cricket that “we have talent but it isn’t being used” except in this case it’s actually true. Developmental and actual rosters are stacked but this idiot is like a passenger trying to fly a state of the art plane.

It’s only a matter of time. You saw how dead the crowd in Atlanta was. This goof better change his ways in this blessed month or it’s game over.
 
Bhaijaan said:
WWE isn't global enough for 2026 audience.
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Bhaijaan said:
They go to Saudi every year multiple times and yet tere's no Mohammad Hasaan or even Daivari. Might as well get a Indian, Pakistani star also at this point.
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They had Jinder Mahal at one point who I thought was a class act and great champion, but they did the whole deal not just for the India tour, but so they could feed him to Triple H during the India tour; that effectively ended Jinder’s main-event push.

Mustafa Ali was employed there at one point but he was of Pakistani origin and his character revolved around representing all ethnic minority backgrounds in the fight against Uncle Sam. There was immense potential with him and had he not been injured around 2018, he could have been pushed to the championship level; but among asian wrestlers he is the best I’ve ever seen and he’s so good that we underrate him a lot due to his background.

Believe it or not, currently employed by WWE is Ariana Grace who is half Pakistani, the daughter of Santino Marella; she just became the first Pakistani origin star to win a world championship by going over for the knockouts title in TNA.

For Saudi, we’re getting there, WWE just hired a Saudi born wrestler who is training in the PC, they did have another guy but he was more of a mid-carder, but in terms of being a draw, they’ve used Sami Zayn a lot as a feature attraction for the Saudi shows as he’s muslim.

But yeah, Americans in 2026 would be too sensitive to someone like a Hassan or Tiger Singh, heck Hassan was too much in 2005 for them, the product had evolved beyond the typical foreign heel but Hassan was a unique performer and destined to be world champion.
 
Suleiman said:
If we can get a guy like Turki who made a name for himself in boxing promotion based in Middle East in the realm of pro wrestling, we’d be set. Ofc as someone to buy them out.

Am pretty certain the gears are already churning. Wwe is still a cash cow if done right, it’s like myth of Pak cricket that “we have talent but it isn’t being used” except in this case it’s actually true. Developmental and actual rosters are stacked but this idiot is like a passenger trying to fly a state of the art plane.

It’s only a matter of time. You saw how dead the crowd in Atlanta was. This goof better change his ways in this blessed month or it’s game over.
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It was a very hard crowd and it took so much for them to wake up, but the blame should solely be with H because it was a horrific episode of TV on the road to Wrestlemania, he is too cushioned behind the wall off Netflix that he can’t be scrutinised by segment. I don’t know what kind of promo that was from Heyman? And such a crap spot for Lesnar really, at the Rumble I am certain he forced his own elimination after H disrespected him with the entrance of Jey Uso, Lesnar’s on his way out to. Terrible people management due to H’s huge ego and development talent’s full potential wont be realised under him.
 
shaz619 said:
Did you see how he came out for the final segment only when the camera’s were on, during the dark segment he did not enter the ring.

Hopefully Vince buys the WWE back with the help of the Saudi’s, Vince opened the doors for Riyad Season, so if he wants to get back into the business, they need to return the debt to him; Vince can then properly transition the ownership of the company to Shane McMahon.
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Although I don't think Shane would be a good booker, they could have someone like HBK or another professional to be the main booker while Vince can do his thing in the mainevents or certain feuds. Like atleast have big matches feel big. Every thing in last 1 year just feels like a regular thing. Like they've forgotten to actually make the audience care about the stars.
TKO is just another business corporation which only understands money language. They'll boot Noseman as well if that keeps happening. This time Cena or Dwayne won't be there to drive audience back in after seeing how average the creative is under the current regime.
 
shaz619 said:
They had Jinder Mahal at one point who I thought was a class act and great champion, but they did the whole deal not just for the India tour, but so they could feed him to Triple H during the India tour; that effectively ended Jinder’s main-event push.

Mustafa Ali was employed there at one point but he was of Pakistani origin and his character revolved around representing all ethnic minority backgrounds in the fight against Uncle Sam. There was immense potential with him and had he not been injured around 2018, he could have been pushed to the championship level; but among asian wrestlers he is the best I’ve ever seen and he’s so good that we underrate him a lot due to his background.

Believe it or not, currently employed by WWE is Ariana Grace who is half Pakistani, the daughter of Santino Marella; she just became the first Pakistani origin star to win a world championship by going over for the knockouts title in TNA.

For Saudi, we’re getting there, WWE just hired a Saudi born wrestler who is training in the PC, they did have another guy but he was more of a mid-carder, but in terms of being a draw, they’ve used Sami Zayn a lot as a feature attraction for the Saudi shows as he’s muslim.

But yeah, Americans in 2026 would be too sensitive to someone like a Hassan or Tiger Singh, heck Hassan was too much in 2005 for them, the product had evolved beyond the typical foreign heel but Hassan was a unique performer and destined to be world champion.
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Tiger Jeet Singh had it in him for being a great heel.
But his name would have ensured Pakistanis would make fun of him by calling him Tiger Pajeet Singh.
 
Small criticism of the retirement angle, it just needed an appearance from Samoa Joe:

‘Oooohhhhhh Wendyyyyyyyy!’
 
shaz619 said:
AJ Styles managed to wrestle the golden trio in WWE of all places:

Daniel Bryan
CM Punk
Samoa Joe
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Should have had a proper feud with Punk over the title even if it was a just 3-4 week long. It just felt like a disservice to AJ.
 
Does anyone else also see how they are just randomly giving final matches of 3 legends to Gunther, without doing remotely anything with it or follow it up with any kind of storyline.
It was okay for Goldberg since he had just returned out of nowhere after 3 years. But they didn't do anything with retiring Cena or even AJ. Even after retiring AJ, gunther just randomly went to enter rumble. Afterwards, he didn't even address retiring AJ or Cena or even getting thrown out by Roman. Seems like he's just there as an autobot or something. No storyline, no direction, just randomly retiring legends without even a feud. This is making Gunther look like an idiot as well.
 
shaz619 said:
I wondered if one of you lot would see that tweet
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A great story this. The hindu squat was made world famous by The Great Gama. Born a Sanatani muslim in Mahabharat but died a Pakistani post the 1947 partition. A shared history for both cousin nations.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Should have had a proper feud with Punk over the title even if it was a just 3-4 week long. It just felt like a disservice to AJ.
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Not ideal, but I feel like they did what they could in the short window that they had. It was a great match, though it was more about the emotion around it and what it meant to both men, I think they were both moved by the whole thing.

AJ responded to people saying he got this much respect because they were worried about him going to AEW, I think that would be true only for 4/10, but when you look at AJ’s legacy and how much he means to the entire locker room, their hand was forced to; he was universally loved by everyone and nobody has a bad word to say about him. The most important locker room leader since Taker and it was fitting the latter announced his induction.
 
shaz619 said:
This is one of the main villains responsible for destroying the WWE:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2024958317567549556
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I dunno if I agree bro. Whatever you may think of her, fact is Vince was out of control. The type of stuff he was doing was twisted and depraved. If it wasn't her, it would have been someone else. You can't get away with this kind of stuff in today's day and age. Knowing how much Vince cared about his business and everything you heard about how much of a workaholic he was, I'm a bit surprised that he couldn't keep it in his pants.
 
shaz619 said:
The gameplay will be the same but they’ve returned some of the match-types we loved and made it a bit more interactive, add in the Punk Showcase mode and 2k26 might actually be worth it this year when there is a sale. I wonder if they will include the Summer of Punk or leave it out due to Vince, would be a huge shame.

But man, can’t believe they have added ROH Punk & even got Miseria Cantare!!! @RedwoodOriginal


I was just rewatching his entrance at AEW Revolution in 2022 and man - with JR in the booth!!!! Those idiot fans did not know what they had man…..he have that audience everything….
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Peak AEW... what a time to be a wrestling fan. As good as Punk has been in WWE, I just don't think this run comes anywhere close to what he did in AEW. Can't believe it's been 4 years man. Tony had everything he wanted in the palm of his hand. But I guess he was always too much of a mark to comprehend that, wasn't he?

I think so too. I don't really care for the WWE 2K games, but I am definitely tempted to spend money on this one just because of the Punk factor.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I dunno if I agree bro. Whatever you may think of her, fact is Vince was out of control. The type of stuff he was doing was twisted and depraved. If it wasn't her, it would have been someone else. You can't get away with this kind of stuff in today's day and age. Knowing how much Vince cared about his business and everything you heard about how much of a workaholic he was, I'm a bit surprised that he couldn't keep it in his pants.
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These things are always shocking given that in Western countries, pleasures can be had via perfectly legal and safe mediums. Despite that, if you go to such extremes then it just shows sometimes a man is never truly satisfied no matter what despite all the options available.
 
Mustafa Ali was our desi Rey Mysterio and never got the push he deserved. He had short height, high flying moves, feather lite and entertaining.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Bring back Vinnie Mac!

Yes he's a weirdo with strange kinks but you have to understand he's American and its normal there to be weirdo.

Other than that, the man's freak genius and knows how to put on a crazy show brother.
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Bringing back Vince would be a step sideways. Obviously it will be a million times better than Triple H, but I wasn't really a fan of Vince's sensibilities in his later years either. He made a number of questionable booking decisions too. Plus for a publicly traded company like TKO, the man is PR poison. I don't think they will ever bring him back.

My hope is that The Rock flexes his muscle and gets Triple H fired.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Mustafa Ali was our desi Rey Mysterio and never got the push he deserved. He had short height, high flying moves, feather lite and entertaining.
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Super talented wrestler. He showed up on NXT recently and had an outstanding match with Ethan Page. WWE were too stupid to let him go. He could have been a mentally competent version of Ricochet.
 
shaz619 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/2026217741707821548

This tore me up and I shed some tears, but my heart is full, the tribute for AJ was beautiful, I am ignoring the show as a whole, but they done him justice and especially what his legacy means to fans and his peers. I had flash backs to the early 2000’s, never would I dream off Undertaker coming down the ramp with the entire locker room behind him, just to pay respect to AJ Styles in the biggest way imaginable.
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I agree brother. Fantastic tribute and that Creed song just put it over the top to absolute perfection.
 
I really liked the AJ tribute. It was tastefully done and the HOF induction at the end was a nice touch. Ofcourse I would have liked nothing more than to see AJ go to AEW and have some dream matches but you have to respect his choice to end his career on his own terms because he wants to spend more time with his family. For me he is without a doubt one of the greatest wrestlers of the modern era. Also like that he didn't want to do a typical retirement. It came out of nowhere and that's what made it so shocking. Nothing but love and gratitude to the phenomenal one for all the memories...truly the end of an era.🤘
 
shaz619 said:
Small criticism of the retirement angle, it just needed an appearance from Samoa Joe:

‘Oooohhhhhh Wendyyyyyyyy!’
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Bro that was such an underrated feud. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

Unhinged Samoa Joe was so freaking good. Only issue with that feud for me was Joe not winning the belt, before AJ won it back. He needed some credibility. But still Joe's character-work was just crazy good lmao.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Bringing back Vince would be a step sideways. Obviously it will be a million times better than Triple H, but I wasn't really a fan of Vince's sensibilities in his later years either. He made a number of questionable booking decisions too. Plus for a publicly traded company like TKO, the man is PR poison. I don't think they will ever bring him back.

My hope is that The Rock flexes his muscle and gets Triple H fired.
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I just got carried away in nostalgic emotions.
 
shaz619 said:
Not ideal, but I feel like they did what they could in the short window that they had. It was a great match, though it was more about the emotion around it and what it meant to both men, I think they were both moved by the whole thing.

AJ responded to people saying he got this much respect because they were worried about him going to AEW, I think that would be true only for 4/10, but when you look at AJ’s legacy and how much he means to the entire locker room, their hand was forced to; he was universally loved by everyone and nobody has a bad word to say about him. The most important locker room leader since Taker and it was fitting the latter announced his induction.
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The way he was treated and booked in last 1 year or so was disrespectful. He had no real feuds in last 1 year apart from one nonsensical one with Logan Paul. The only saving grace was his match against Cena that too happened once fans took over the IWC. Otherwise the plan was Cena vs Drew for Crown Jewel. He was treated like the biggest star in the world in France and they didn't even bother booking him there in his last year. That was just bitter on Nose's part.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Bro that was such an underrated feud. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

Unhinged Samoa Joe was so freaking good. Only issue with that feud for me was Joe not winning the belt, before AJ won it back. He needed some credibility. But still Joe's character-work was just crazy good lmao.
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AJ’s title reigns were a lot of fun and that might have been my favourite feud while he was champion, Joe was booked like a beast and even bullied Lesnar for a bit, a shame he never won a championship
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I really liked the AJ tribute. It was tastefully done and the HOF induction at the end was a nice touch. Ofcourse I would have liked nothing more than to see AJ go to AEW and have some dream matches but you have to respect his choice to end his career on his own terms because he wants to spend more time with his family. For me he is without a doubt one of the greatest wrestlers of the modern era. Also like that he didn't want to do a typical retirement. It came out of nowhere and that's what made it so shocking. Nothing but love and gratitude to the phenomenal one for all the memories...truly the end of an era.🤘
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He originally would have retired a year earlier, and it seems as though H would have preferred that so booked him against Logan, but AJ felt what’s the point to come back just for a few months and that led to them using him in weak fashion. In an interview Karl Anderson mentioned AJ’s neck is hurting and who knows how long he has been working that way, tough ol red neck. Going to AEW would have hurt his legacy, he’d regret it like Angle did all those years later for jumping ship to TNA, and that was Angle in his prime booked super strong having some of the most insane matches ever, and ignoring that, the profile of those who have left WWE and gone to AEW hasn’t been that great really, it’s kind of beneath him to go there now honestly, and I doubt they would book him like Dixie did Angle as much as they say they admire him, he’d eventually get lured into doing something really silly
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Peak AEW... what a time to be a wrestling fan. As good as Punk has been in WWE, I just don't think this run comes anywhere close to what he did in AEW. Can't believe it's been 4 years man. Tony had everything he wanted in the palm of his hand. But I guess he was always too much of a mark to comprehend that, wasn't he?

I think so too. I don't really care for the WWE 2K games, but I am definitely tempted to spend money on this one just because of the Punk factor.
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He was a mark and a sensitive little vageena, when you consider the footage he released. Punk’s match quality, pacing, flow etc were all insane when you consider the gap he was still their best and on the mic completely unhinged & raw - the only issue was he could have been monetised even further and Collision was going to help with that by bringing out his longer more permanent character arc.

Defo don’t buy new bro unless there are other ways after Roozeh
:amir But in a sale I may have a look if it’s compatible with my deck, plus will be the last game where AJ Styles modelling and animations are not completely ruined; look how terrible Shawn Michaels has become in all their games since he retired.

This is the best thing that could have happened with the elite snakes being forced to bow before Punk’s feet, even better when their sonah puthar Rollins botched his push and such was mediocrity that even without him, he still manages to somehow hurt The Vision on a weekly basis.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I dunno if I agree bro. Whatever you may think of her, fact is Vince was out of control. The type of stuff he was doing was twisted and depraved. If it wasn't her, it would have been someone else. You can't get away with this kind of stuff in today's day and age. Knowing how much Vince cared about his business and everything you heard about how much of a workaholic he was, I'm a bit surprised that he couldn't keep it in his pants.
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I get that and he has way too many skeletons in the closet but I just hate people like Janet Garcia, she forced this situation by just agreeing to everything and is playing victim now after the cheque bounced. What individual would allow themselves to get dumped on? There was something deeply wrong with her and that presser backfired, she got caught out lying between her teeth.
 
Was fan of WWE from early 2000s to 2015

But afterwards since this Saudi involvement and then lack of good wrestlers interest went down

Used to watch every show back then

Now don't even know when is the ppv

It was good while it lasted
 
shaz619 said:
The lore of that match just keeps getting better:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2027839130722607312

@Suleiman @RedwoodOriginal @BunnyRabbit

I think after reconsideration, I am going to have to upgrade H from a 4/10 to a 5/10 - I was ignorant to his great resume in Japan
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That running knee, that one knee codebreaker sort of move and pedigree were the only 3 good moves he had in his arsenal. Apart from that he was an average wrestler with no intensity or mind to get the crowd invested.
The only thing I will give him credit for is he didn't injure anyone and was actually able to finish a match when he got legit injured inside the match.
Austin, Rock, Taker, Kurt, Y2J were better than him in AE
Lesnar, HBK, Kurt, Taker, Eddie, Benoit were better than him RA era
Cena, Batista, Randy, Edge, Punk, Jeff, Bryan were all better than him in PG era. And I am only talking about 1998-2014.
Despite being a full timer in 3 distinct eras, he could never be among the top 5 in any.
 
shah9425 said:
Was fan of WWE from early 2000s to 2015

But afterwards since this Saudi involvement and then lack of good wrestlers interest went down

Used to watch every show back then

Now don't even know when is the ppv

It was good while it lasted
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I don't know what Saudi involvement has to do with wrestling quality suffering but WWE had a pretty amazing stretch from 2020-early 2025. It all fell apart after last year's Mania. Cena kept it watchable till December but since then it's been nosediving at an extreme pace.
The only 3 stars (larger than life and who the crowd actually pays to see regardless of awful booking) currently are Roman, Randy and Punk, all 3 of them are part timers now. Drew and Cody are good as well but are suffering due to pathetic creative.
 
shaz619 said:
Subtle things you don’t notice when you’re in the moment, MJF, such a god damn mark of the golden era of indie wrestling - As a nod to Punk’s feud with Raven & responding to the mind games, he sits in the corner, as did Raven, all those years ago for the dog collar match he had with Punk! This is what Punk feuds in AEW were before the bell even rang, the depth of psychology was unreal and even before he came back to the E, I said this is just like the rebirth of Shawn’s second run in the 2000’s, such was the quality of his work man!
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Punk's body can't take punishment on a 50-60 matches per year especially with the style AEW sells to its audience.
It's actually good that he is now doing just 25-40 matches a year.
Only AJ and HBK's bodies could survive such prolonged torture without suffering in performance
 
BunnyRabbit said:
I don't know what Saudi involvement has to do with wrestling quality suffering but WWE had a pretty amazing stretch from 2020-early 2025. It all fell apart after last year's Mania. Cena kept it watchable till December but since then it's been nosediving at an extreme pace.
The only 3 stars (larger than life and who the crowd actually pays to see regardless of awful booking) currently are Roman, Randy and Punk, all 3 of them are part timers now. Drew and Cody are good as well but are suffering due to pathetic creative.
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Cena had a horrible last year

Only good thing was his heel turn

Otherwise it was a mess

And on top of that to make him loss to Gunther in his last match should have signed off with a win

WWE is horrible now

It was good in 2000s and early 2010s
 
shah9425 said:
Cena had a horrible last year

Only good thing was his heel turn

Otherwise it was a mess

And on top of that to make him loss to Gunther in his last match should have signed off with a win

WWE is horrible now

It was good in 2000s and early 2010s
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It was not Cena's fault. It was the fault of the bookers.

WWE didn't use Cena correctly.

For me, Cena is the greatest pro-wrestler of all time. Even better than Hogan, Rock etc. 17-time world champion.
 
sweep_shot said:
It was not Cena's fault. It was the fault of the bookers.

WWE didn't use Cena correctly.

For me, Cena is the greatest pro-wrestler of all time. Even better than Hogan, Rock etc. 17-time world champion.
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That's my point Cena will always be my one of favourite wrestler

He was amazing during his prime years and had one of the best mic skills

But the way he was booked in his last year it was painful to watch

Triple H has been very poor so far in his booking

He was better as a wrestler but as administrator hell no
 
shah9425 said:
That's my point Cena will always be my one of favourite wrestler

He was amazing during his prime years and had one of the best mic skills

But the way he was booked in his last year it was painful to watch

Triple H has been very poor so far in his booking

He was better as a wrestler but as administrator hell no
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Agree.

Cena was very good with both his marine persona and thugonomics persona.

I haven't followed any wrestling after Cena retired. Lost interest in wrestling completely.
 
shah9425 said:
Cena had a horrible last year

Only good thing was his heel turn

Otherwise it was a mess

And on top of that to make him loss to Gunther in his last match should have signed off with a win

WWE is horrible now

It was good in 2000s and early 2010s
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The way his final match was booked was done horribly. There was literally no interaction or history between the two, and they just simply added Gunther in there so he could recover from the bad booking decision of tapping out to Jey earlier.
Apart from that Cena from Summerslam-retirment was top notch. All his appearances, promos. I don't want to get into the Lesnar squash but it had enough history in there and Lesnar had to be booked like a monster again to be taken seriously again (which he was not during his feud with Lashley or Cody), generated enough heat so now Lesnar can massively put over someone like Oba Femi later in the year.
The thing about his heel turn was, the character sucking was top notch work by Cena (crowd literally hated the crybaby Cena) which is basically the job of a heel. It's just that we thought it would be a cool heel like Randy or Hogan and that would have worked as well if Cena was only going to work with Randy, Punk, R Truth and Cody during his heel stretch but wouldn't have done any favors towards Cody and crowd would have massively cheered for Cena (the heel) which they did to a degree. But even among all that, there were brilliant segments in between, like the Cena pipebomb (possibly the best part of his heel turn alonside the heel turn moment), cheating to win against Randy and Punk.

And the heel turn moment in itself is easily one of the biggest moments in history of WWE. The way it was executed was perfect (cause Cena and Rock were involved in there), but it sucked from the point of view that the genius booker Noseley knew beforehand that Rock wasn't going to be making any more appearances for the remainder of that year and still decided to go with that plan and actually ruined the Mania mainevent as well.

Cena did the best with what he had. And I genuinely marked out when I saw him live in his hometown winning his first IC title. The atmosphere and noise in the TD garden was out of the world that night.
 
shah9425 said:
That's my point Cena will always be my one of favourite wrestler

He was amazing during his prime years and had one of the best mic skills

But the way he was booked in his last year it was painful to watch

Triple H has been very poor so far in his booking

He was better as a wrestler but as administrator hell no
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The only thing Nose was good at was as talent relation guy where he had to suck up to the newer wrestlers to get them to sign to WWE.
As a booker, he gets authority, and with power, he has always been an abuser.
As a wrestler, he wasn't extraordinary either. Was just elevated by the guys he was working with.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Punk's body can't take punishment on a 50-60 matches per year especially with the style AEW sells to its audience.
It's actually good that he is now doing just 25-40 matches a year.
Only AJ and HBK's bodies could survive such prolonged torture without suffering in performance
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Punk is working more now under WWE & for his age the schedule is brutal, Punk has insisted on it though so fair play to him, he is reaping the rewards from the audience, his peers & backstage personnel.

This is the best version from Punk stylistically as it’s a cross between what worked in AEW and what the WWE need, the intensity is lower, but the psychology is deeper & the muscle bound shape is more suited to it as well.

In AEW he had to dig deeper on PPV and it wasn’t that the audience demanded it, I think Punk was showing those neck beards what they really wanted to see and what the promotion should have been about. But he didn’t need to work house shows though, he was actually quiet active there weekly, bigger problem was how bad they managed talent that was banged up or hurt, WWE are quiet advanced now because they wont take too many risks if something is up, you didn’t have that think-tank over there.
 
shaz619 said:
@Suleiman People criticising LA Knight on the internet, maybe Triple Doofus will finally push him 🤡
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It’s mainly dorito crumb donning incels whose only exercise is tripping on their way to the fridge dogging on LA. Real ones know he could be given the shittiest gimmick and still receive a pop much like Chad gable. Bury immune.

Also they debuted that weird vampire face mask guy but still no TV debut for Hobbs, bravo 🤡
 
BunnyRabbit said:
The only thing Nose was good at was as talent relation guy where he had to suck up to the newer wrestlers to get them to sign to WWE.
As a booker, he gets authority, and with power, he has always been an abuser.
As a wrestler, he wasn't extraordinary either. Was just elevated by the guys he was working with.
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All thanks to son in law of Mr McMahon

He got elevated much quicker than as compared to other

As administrator he has been horrible
 
Triple H's booking might be mid now but his bookings were spot on earlier whether it was NXT or the Cody Rhodes story.

Right now , he's facing creative burnout where there are too many stars and too less time.

The John Cena retirement arc was done horribly.

Punk , Reigns - probably is the only saving feud for WrestleMania.

Depends on what they do with Rollins and his feud with Vision.

And hopefully McIntyre and Orton get to do something.

The rest of the card looks very random as of now. They'll have to give Cody a match , Sami a match, The uso's too.

Too many stars , not enough long term storytelling.
 
sithb said:
Triple H's booking might be mid now but his bookings were spot on earlier whether it was NXT or the Cody Rhodes story.

Right now , he's facing creative burnout where there are too many stars and too less time.

The John Cena retirement arc was done horribly.

Punk , Reigns - probably is the only saving feud for WrestleMania.

Depends on what they do with Rollins and his feud with Vision.

And hopefully McIntyre and Orton get to do something.

The rest of the card looks very random as of now. They'll have to give Cody a match , Sami a match, The uso's too.

Too many stars , not enough long term storytelling.
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The more I see WWE under his booking, the more I am convinced NXT was booked by Ryan Ward and Regal rather than him.
When Cody returned from Rumble, Vince was still there, and reportedly ordered Nose to rewrite the whole post Mania 39 Raw and told him to book him into a feud with Brock straightaway.
So nah, I am not going to give him any credit as he has spent 30 years stealing other guys' hardwork.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
The more I see WWE under his booking, the more I am convinced NXT was booked by Ryan Ward and Regal rather than him.
When Cody returned from Rumble, Vince was still there, and reportedly ordered Nose to rewrite the whole post Mania 39 Raw and told him to book him into a feud with Brock straightaway.
So nah, I am not going to give him any credit as he has spent 30 years stealing other guys' hardwork.
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I said it for years, his best contribution was delegation, there’s a reason why he bought Ward with him on the main-roster and recalled Regal back to the WWE. Ryan Ward doesn’t enough credit for the Black & Gold era, that was his vision for NXT
 
People saw what was going on back in the 2015 and around the time when awards were not as rigged as they are now with the WON, but Ryan Ward was acknowledged as a joint winner for the booker of the year.
 
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