Umar Akmal - Sachin Tendulkar (A Statistical Comparison)

Sachin faced all the great bowlers you read about in your cricket history books. Back in the days even Zim had good attack.

UA faced likes of Tino, kumar, barbie, etc on flat wickets, fielding restrictions and shorter boundaries.

Just a hypothetical scenario, put UA in front of Wasim Waqar, McGrath or Akthar and you can imagine the new stats.
Did I say UA was better or even equal to Sachin ? Just an interesting stat comparison to soothe people who want to drop UA, he's a decent bat and still in the 'early' part of his career and can improve a lot as shown by Sachin's early stats. And actually I think Umar would do very well versus Wasim, Waqar, Akthar and McGrath, he's a good player of pace. Can't play spin though.
 
lold at comparing bradman with umar akmal... akmal averages 38 in odis, bradman averages 0. Checkmate.
 
Did I say UA was better or even equal to Sachin ? Just an interesting stat comparison to soothe people who want to drop UA, he's a decent bat and still in the 'early' part of his career and can improve a lot as shown by Sachin's early stats. And actually I think Umar would do very well versus Wasim, Waqar, Akthar and McGrath, he's a good player of pace. Can't play spin though.

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Statistically Yusuf Pathan has won a ODI World cup and T20 World cup.........So is he better than lets say Sangakarra or for that matter Afridi or Kallis???
 
Statistically Yusuf Pathan has won a ODI World cup and T20 World cup.........So is he better than lets say Sangakarra or for that matter Afridi or Kallis???

Ofcourse, He has a higher strike rate than all of them
 
Did I say UA was better or even equal to Sachin ? Just an interesting stat comparison to soothe people who want to drop UA, he's a decent bat and still in the 'early' part of his career and can improve a lot as shown by Sachin's early stats. And actually I think Umar would do very well versus Wasim, Waqar, Akthar and McGrath, he's a good player of pace. Can't play spin though.

hmm... Read my post again, i am just talking about stats too.

Second part, i dont agree with you and i am sure most wont too. BTW Sachin also played in the era of shane Warne,Saqlain, Abdul Qadeer, Mushtaq, Warne, Murli, Vettori etc
 
Tendulkar's ODI stats have always been overrated. Only 11 of his tons are outside of Asia. And stats like his famous 6 ODI World Cup tons sound impressive, until you realize half were versus minnows (Namibia, Kenya etc), and the others were losses.
 
Somebody give this man a medal.

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Umar Akmal having the ability to surpass Sachin.What were you thinking OP??
 
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Tendulkar's ODI stats have always been overrated. Only 11 of his tons are outside of Asia.

Well, his 11 centuries puts him in top 3 century makers among all Asian batsmen when playing outside of Asia.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=batting



He is also among the 4 batsmen from Asia , who averaged 40+ with 80+ SR outside Asia in ODIs.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=batting


The other 3 Asian batsmen, Kohli, Dhoni and Gambhir didn't play during 90s when average scores used to be much lower and SR was drastically lower for all good batsmen. As an Asian batsmen, how SRT's stats are over rated when it comes to playing outside Asia in ODIs? If you see it with context then it's a fantastic record by all angles.
 
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Well, his 11 centuries puts him in top 3 century makers among all Asian batsmen when playing outside of Asia.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=batting



He is also among the 4 batsmen from Asia , who averaged 40+ with 80+ SR outside Asia in ODIs.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=batting


The other 3 Asian batsmen, Kohli, Dhoni and Gambhir didn't play during 90s when average scores used to be much lower and SR was drastically lower for all good batsmen. As an Asian batsmen, how SRT stats are over rated when it comes to playing outside Asia in ODIs? If you see it with context then it's a fantastic record by all angles.

You are falling into his trap.
 
There's a massive difference between Kohli and Sachin's odi runs.... look at the pitches, the boundary sizes, bowling rules, fielding restrictions and also the quality of bowlers.. imo sachin is the 2nd best odi batsman ever, some way ahead of Kohli regardless of the average difference.
 
Well, one thing I realized while checking stats. Only 4 Asian batsmen in history have averaged 40+ with 80+ SR outside Asia. I thought there will be some more names.

Yeah saw the stats.

Incredible.

Only batsman from the bowling eras to average this much.
 
Tendulkar may have better stats but we all know who is more talented.
 
There's a massive difference between Kohli and Sachin's odi runs.... look at the pitches, the boundary sizes, bowling rules, fielding restrictions and also the quality of bowlers.. imo sachin is the 2nd best odi batsman ever, some way ahead of Kohli regardless of the average difference.

Kohli can only play under the present conditions. Though there were quality bowlers in the past, what percentage of balls faced by Sachin were bowled by these quality bowlers? I guess not exceeding 10%. In all eras, there were easy bowlers to make runs off, there were easy pitches, easier rules etc. Today fielding standards are higher than the 80s and 90s, it is not easy to make runs in every respect.

By applying similar logic it can be argued that Bradman never had to face the fearsome WI, South Africa or Pakistani pace bowlers, and mostly faced bowlers who would find it hard to make the club teams of today, so his average is highly bloated.
 
Kohli can only play under the present conditions. Though there were quality bowlers in the past, what percentage of balls faced by Sachin were bowled by these quality bowlers? I guess not exceeding 10%. In all eras, there were easy bowlers to make runs off, there were easy pitches, easier rules etc. Today fielding standards are higher than the 80s and 90s, it is not easy to make runs in every respect.

By applying similar logic it can be argued that Bradman never had to face the fearsome WI, South Africa or Pakistani pace bowlers, and mostly faced bowlers who would find it hard to make the club teams of today, so his average is highly bloated.

Good post.Its anoyying to see these type of posts.What people need to realize is its not Kohli's fault that he was born in this era.What should he do??Go back in time and play in the 90's??
 
Kohli can only play under the present conditions. Though there were quality bowlers in the past, what percentage of balls faced by Sachin were bowled by these quality bowlers? I guess not exceeding 10%. In all eras, there were easy bowlers to make runs off, there were easy pitches, easier rules etc. Today fielding standards are higher than the 80s and 90s, it is not easy to make runs in every respect.

By applying similar logic it can be argued that Bradman never had to face the fearsome WI, South Africa or Pakistani pace bowlers, and mostly faced bowlers who would find it hard to make the club teams of today, so his average is highly bloated.

Kohli can only face what is in front of him... but due to the fact that Sachin faced a lot tougher circumstances, I rate him better. Not sure where the misunderstanding is.... and if you think bradman's average is bloated then that is a valid claim.
 
Kohli can only face what is in front of him... but due to the fact that Sachin faced a lot tougher circumstances, I rate him better. Not sure where the misunderstanding is.... and if you think bradman's average is bloated then that is a valid claim.

So no modern day player can stake a claim for the best, isn't it?

In tests I agree Kohli has much to prove, but in ODIs he has done enough to compete with Sachin at the same age, and is probably even better.
 
:)) :))) :misbah:narine...where is the OP hiding...you need to be a special kind of stupid to even think of making such a thread
 
Sachin and Umar might have the same talent but not the same temperament, nor the same brain.
 
How does Umar compare to Sachin at this point of his career? Still ahead?
 
How does Umar compare to Sachin at this point of his career? Still ahead?

Hilarious thread but just for chuckles sake I will say that ... for starters Tendulkar was never dropped from the Test and ODI sides. Its been ages since Umar Akmal played a Test match.
 
One of the most fundamental qualities of a player that helps him improve his game is learning from his mistakes. Has Umar Akmal ever learned from his mistakes? All throughout his career he has made the same mistakes over and over again, and has consistently played same silly shots to throw away his wicket.

While he did keep wickets, he is also seen among the ranks of other specialist batsman in his team. He has never realized how much it hurts his team when he throws away his wicket time and again.
 
Oh my God :))) :)))

What a work of art this thread is. Mwaa. I wonder if there is a Bradman - Umar Akmal: Career Analysis thread as well.

Pure gold. Laughed at parts of this thread, but other parts made me cry, where this guy was the next best young batsman in the world, even getting a head start on Virat, who was a nobody in 2009. And now...

I'm getting a lot of such realizations today. How Pakistan as a team has been reduced to being evenly matched with Bangla.

Umar's downfall. Too much nostalgia today.

I just hope Umar justifies even 1/4th of the hype, hope, and hospitality shown by his true fans in this thread.
 
Yr bas krdo please please maafi

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But Umar is averaging same as Amla, Mathews and Kane Williamson nowadays.

So he will become as good as them.

Tendulkar might be a dream now, but let's revise our targets shall we?
 
But Umar is averaging same as Amla, Mathews and Kane Williamson nowadays.

So he will become as good as them.

Tendulkar might be a dream now, but let's revise our targets shall we?

So this is the time of the month where we all go on an spiraling Umar Akmal Fetish...........

ok

:facepalm: :facepalm:
 
So this is the time of the month where we all go on an spiraling Umar Akmal Fetish...........

ok

:facepalm: :facepalm:

There's a month for every cricketer on Pakpassion.

Last month it was Amir.

This month seems like Umar's fantasy world.
 
But Umar is averaging same as Amla, Mathews and Kane Williamson nowadays.

So he will become as good as them.

Tendulkar might be a dream now, but let's revise our targets shall we?
There was a time when Jamshed's avg were about 40+ dont know exactly....we have to accept that we have kinda medicore players...instead of comparing with high level International players... seriously Williamson ? :/

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Omg! Such a thread exists? I can bet diehard fans like bilal and junaid also will laugh at this thread
 
lmao at the 'seriousness' of the discussion in early parts. :)))
 
:O...
OMG!! This thread existed :)))...
I literally have tears in my eyes !! :)))
 
:))) cant get enough of this thread. Pure comedy. Tendulkar will have a great time if he goes through it.
 
Still a better thread than 'Shehzad is more talented than Sachin ever was...'
 
Still a better thread than 'Shehzad is more talented than Sachin ever was...'

And guess what.

That thread was not an opinion of a fan, it was the opinion of our mighty "Abdul Razzaq".
 
It was great fun reading the posts (some of them are extremely delusional as it comes) in this old thread :P

Thanks @Sulieman for the bump :19:
 
Went through this whole thread.... Pure masterclass

Thanks for bumping this up guys..
For [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION].. this thread is gold :)))
 
I have a better question.

Why do OP's of such million dollar threads, always disappear?

It's no fun if the original poster isn't even around.
 
Still a better thread than 'Shehzad is more talented than Sachin ever was...'

Couldn't disagree at all. That was a thread of epic proportion and will easily surpass any (unintentionally) funny thread herein PP.
 
Couldn't disagree at all. That was a thread of epic proportion and will easily surpass any (unintentionally) funny thread herein PP.

i might be wrong, and look a bit delusional, but i think at a point of his career Umar looked good enough (around 2010-11) potential wise to go and become one of the top batsmen in the world. The Sachin comparison is just a standard and doesnt necessarily mean that he will literally beat Sachin statistically. It just means that he has some of the tools to go on and become a top batsman.

But with Shehzad, you really needed to have faulty eyes and little understanding of batting to genuinely believe that he could go on to match some of the top batsmen. He has had many technical issues and a limited shot range since the very start and which has only gotten worse. So the hyping and overrating since the early days always seemed mind boggling to me because even at start he didnt have any crazy good innings like Akmal did in his test and ODI debuts. His first big innings of note came THREE years after his debut.
 
i might be wrong, and look a bit delusional, but i think at a point of his career Umar looked good enough (around 2010-11) potential wise to go and become one of the top batsmen in the world. The Sachin comparison is just a standard and doesnt necessarily mean that he will literally beat Sachin statistically. It just means that he has some of the tools to go on and become a top batsman.

But with Shehzad, you really needed to have faulty eyes and little understanding of batting to genuinely believe that he could go on to match some of the top batsmen. He has had many technical issues and a limited shot range since the very start and which has only gotten worse. So the hyping and overrating since the early days always seemed mind boggling to me because even at start he didnt have any crazy good innings like Akmal did in his test and ODI debuts. His first big innings of note came THREE years after his debut.

Very well said. I am no Shehzad hater but the kind of hype he was getting in forums/social media (by hardcore fans of his?) till recently was unprecedented. I get an impression that ever since his break up with Afridi, even Afridi's fans have joined the critics of Shehzad. This boy has serious narcissistic traits which when uncontrolled could lead to a clinical problem (NPD).

IMHO, before he corrects his attitude/technique/temperament, he needs to hire a proper social media manger to mange his twitter account (or better stop using twitter for good).
 
i might be wrong, and look a bit delusional, but i think at a point of his career Umar looked good enough (around 2010-11) potential wise to go and become one of the top batsmen in the world. The Sachin comparison is just a standard and doesnt necessarily mean that he will literally beat Sachin statistically. It just means that he has some of the tools to go on and become a top batsman.

But with Shehzad, you really needed to have faulty eyes and little understanding of batting to genuinely believe that he could go on to match some of the top batsmen. He has had many technical issues and a limited shot range since the very start and which has only gotten worse. So the hyping and overrating since the early days always seemed mind boggling to me because even at start he didnt have any crazy good innings like Akmal did in his test and ODI debuts. His first big innings of note came THREE years after his debut.

Akmal has been a mindless slogger since inception.

He has never shown the temperament and consistency required for a World Class stature. Not then, not now.
Sachin always made bowlers earn his wicket, while Sehwag, Afridi and Akmals gift them at any time.
Hence, they dont qualify for comparison.
 
Very well said. I am no Shehzad hater but the kind of hype he was getting in forums/social media (by hardcore fans of his?) till recently was unprecedented. I get an impression that ever since his break up with Afridi, even Afridi's fans have joined the critics of Shehzad. This boy has serious narcissistic traits which when uncontrolled could lead to a clinical problem (NPD).

IMHO, before he corrects his attitude/technique/temperament, he needs to hire a proper social media manger to mange his twitter account (or better stop using twitter for good).

well said.

as for bolded part my question has always been. Why though?

Umar Akmal hype was understandable. Kid could play all the shots in the world. Played aggressively and was exciting to watch. Scored a fifty and a century (at 90+ SR) in his first 2 ODI innings. Scored a century against Bond away in NZ in his first ever test match and generally looked great. So the hype was natural and understandable.

Shehzad had nothing of this sort. Huge technical deficiencies in his game. Limited stroke range. Plays at snail pace (and always had a sub 75 SR in ODIs from his first days.) So how come he got this much hype is what i never understood
 
Akmal has been a mindless slogger since inception.

He has never shown the temperament and consistency required for a World Class stature. Not then, not now.
Sachin always made bowlers earn his wicket, while Sehwag, Afridi and Akmals gift them at any time.
Hence, they dont qualify for comparison.

in his first years you cannot classify him as a slogger. He was playing proper cricketing shots. He has no temperament though. Also i was talking in terms of rationalizing the hype. Im saying the hype he had initiallly is understandable. (dont think he was ever gonna go to that level)
 
well said.

as for bolded part my question has always been. Why though?

Umar Akmal hype was understandable. Kid could play all the shots in the world. Played aggressively and was exciting to watch. Scored a fifty and a century (at 90+ SR) in his first 2 ODI innings. Scored a century against Bond away in NZ in his first ever test match and generally looked great. So the hype was natural and understandable.

Shehzad had nothing of this sort. Huge technical deficiencies in his game. Limited stroke range. Plays at snail pace (and always had a sub 75 SR in ODIs from his first days.) So how come he got this much hype is what i never understood

Apparently Shehzad was a free flowing batsman in his U19 according to people here, where this myth of his "aggression" stems from.

Not to mention PCB invested in him heavily since he was 15, exposing him to their facilities and coaches from a young age, so naturally, people expected big things from him. Yet he ended up a complete bust. Same case with Nasir Jamshed.

On the other hand you have Rohit Sharma who BCCI invested in since his mid teens. And when he didn't deliver for a good 2 or so years at intl level, they gave him even more time because of their belief in him and he came good.
 
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Embarrassing comparison, Umar was never going to reach Sachins level.
 
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I'm surprised that Umar Akmal is only 27. TIL what a beauty youngsta he is :afridi
 
Firstly, I'd like to wish a very happy birthday to Umar Akmal, who turned 23 today.

Now, on to the business; there's a very pronounced divide amongst the posters here at PakPassion when it comes to Umar Akmal. There are countless blind supporters who acknowledge the undeniable talent that is Umar Akmal, and then there is the other party that sees the faults, namely a lack of temperament.

I belong somewhere in the middle. & here comes the statement which our whole Indian community will rebut with their lives.

Umar Akmal, has the tools to easily surpass Tendulkar as an ODI batsman; he lacks the temperament to achieve similar feats in tests, and most likely won't ever reach him in that respect.

Now, to those who disagree with me and claim that Akmal isn't a very capable batsman, or is a tried and tested bust. I'd like you to keep in mind that cricket is a sport that isn't played in very large volumes, and sample sizes are usually quite small; thus we've fabricated the term 'form', which basically consists of an aspect of luck and confidence, which are both dependant on each other, somewhat defeating the purpose entirely. Myself, I believe that a talented batsman will produce, and should never be dropped on the basis of one or two bad series'.

Here is a more statistical comparison of Sachin & Umar using 'cumulative averages'.

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Sachin:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...emplate=results;type=allround;view=cumulative

Umar:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...emplate=results;type=allround;view=cumulative

Sachin played his 71st ODI about to turn 22, Akmal played his 71st ODI at age 22. Akmal had a much, much higher average to boot at that time; furthermore, Tendulkar didn't score his first ODI century until his 79th match.

His average remained below Akmal's until his 103rd match, however, he did not maintain that average, there were several oscillations in his form until 1998, having played his 191st ODI, after which, he consistently maintained an average in the 40s. He was 25 at this time, he continued on to post 49 ODI centuries.

If Akmal was to go on a slump (Sachin went on several, during his first 71 matched), and his average were to drop below 32, he would probably be dropped from the squad for a very prolonged period of time, making a comeback when he was finally in his 30's.

This is how Pakistan operates, whether its captaincies, switching opening pairs, bowling coaches, batting coaches. This is how we continue to waste our talent, making illogical decisions short-sightedly, while giving ample time to tried and tested failures. One of the glaring reasons why our batting has been a failure, thankfully, Allah has blessed us with such an expansive crop of fast bowlers that, that department rarely suffers. We have undeniable talent stuck in our system, but when will we ever use it properly?

-Insert: Fawad Alam, Khalid Latif, Anwar Ali, Mohammad Rizwan and the list can continue for an eternity.

So the moral of the story is, if they show that they have star talent, stick with it, develop them. They will produce. What's to lose? If they don't produce after a good volume of matches, replace them. Our alternative is to give tried and tested failures such as Imran Farhat a go instead anyway; atleast this way we'll be developing our future.

Heck, even Babar Azam should be given some exposure here an there from an early age, the kid has an average of 57 in list a, consistently topping tournaments, our batting line-up stumbles to 19/4 against teams like Ireland anyway.

[MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] - This is exactly the kind of ridiculous post which I was trying to counter with my Imran v Ashwin response (http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...t-all-rounder-from-Asia&p=9249628#post9249628) but was ridiculed by many so called reputed posters in PP.

Guys like Bullet Drive even vouched for this post as POTW. Lol. Rest my case.
 
To say that Tendulkar was not performing in his early days is completely erroneous and shows the lack of cricket knowledge beyond the 2000s that the OP possesses. Can i confirm your age group? I think this might be a reason for you confusing post.

An average of 32-35 was actually good for a batsman in the early 90s specifically because of the tougher pitches, stronger fast bowlers and smaller bats. If Tendulkar played as a youngster in ODIs around the same time as Akmal he would be in Virat Koli league off the bat and would be averaging a minimum of 45.

Amir Sohail was considered a very handly opener for Pakistan and remained in the side for over 10 years on this basis. Guess what he averaged in over 150 ODIs? 31.

Sanath Jayasuria is considered an ODI great and averaged 32.

So no you cannot use the argument that Umar had a better average then Tendulkar early on because that is not taking into account a huge amount of other significant factors besides overall average.

Akmal's performances have not been up to the mark IMO, but we do not have better players in the country so we should look to give him an extended run. But please dont make these silly arguments about averages from batsmen 30 years apart in eras
 
[MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] - This is exactly the kind of ridiculous post which I was trying to counter with my Imran v Ashwin response (http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...t-all-rounder-from-Asia&p=9249628#post9249628) but was ridiculed by many so called reputed posters in PP.

Guys like Bullet Drive even vouched for this post as POTW. Lol. Rest my case.

The amount of inconsistency in that data analysis is glaring and the basic mistake the poster did was to take numbers in isolation without attributing to other variables which might dictate those numbers in the first place.....

A horrible horrible post.......
 
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Wow lol excellent thread I honestly believe Pakistan missed the chance with Akmal, If PCB was any competent Akmal would be averaging around 45+ now with 20+ centuries.. Shame what could have been Sachin must sleep peacefully at night due to PCB's ineptness
 
And I thought comparing him with Kohli was bad...

There must be limit to these immature comparison threads. I have seen so many since i joined PP last year.

Some were comparing sharjeel to sehwag. Some were comparing babar to kohli and what not. Some with ATGS like lara dravid and now this!!!. Grow up for gods sake
 
With a bit of luck and some better treatment from the selectors, Umar could have been even better than Sachin :P
 
With a bit of luck and some better treatment from the selectors, Umar could have been even better than Sachin :P

I know you are joking but you don't reach that level with Umar temperament and ethics. No one has done that in history
 
Sachin's batting in this road safety series reminded me of UA's batting in his heydays.
 
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