[VIDEOS] Pakistan to host Champions Trophy 2025

[blahfriend]

Then we need to Stop playing all the sports with Pakistan .why only cricket team is not playing while other sports teams has no problem going to Pakistan. to some extent even I don't understand GOI policy .

Either stop playing every sports with them or allowed to play all sports .

That is GOIs prerogative. I guess decisions in cricket are more visible.

 

[Vikram1989]

If i am not wrong, no national team of India has visited Pakistan.

I think kabaddi,tennis teams went there .But mens cricket is the most profitable and official seal for accepting .

 

[Red-Indian]

If i am not wrong, no national team of India has visited Pakistan. Players may have visited in individual capacity.

The Indian national Davis Cup team visited Pakistan this year (and thrashed them mercilessly).

 

[Red-Indian]

Moving CT out of Pakistan isn't easy, have there been any statement from Jay Shah just like Asia cup?

No he's avoided making any statements this time unlike his confident statements on the Asia Cup. Also notice the lack of bombastic statements from the Pakistan Cricket Board. It's all been pretty low key.

Probably an indicator of frenetic backchannel negotiations ongoing. Can't predict the result. Maybe India will travel. More likely, we won't.

 

[Thanos]

All matches contribute something. Bit there is no separate revenue model for individual matches.

But there is separate revenue from different territories and that indicate 85 per cent revenues are from India.

I have no problems if India doesn't play Pakistan in any ICC matches.

India is sharing hosting rights with SL for the next T20 WC. Pakistan can play there.

Btw remember one thing India makes nearly 7bn from the sale of broadcast rights of IPL and BCCI's home series. And not a single pakistani is involved in them. Tells you how Pakistan isn't a big factor in getting money from India.

No point explaining to someone who thinks bringing the team of 11 players to a match is equal to bringing the revenue. Lol.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I think kabaddi,tennis teams went there .But mens cricket is the most profitable and official seal for accepting .

Kabbadi team didn't go. It was some unofficial team.

Davis cup team did go. But whether it can be considered a national team is different.

 

[BouncerGuy]

If the tennis team for the Davis Cup games, that they won as well, why not other teams can come? Does GOI only has a policy for cricket team??

 

[cricketjoshila]

If the tennis team for the Davis Cup games, that they won as well, why not other teams can come? Does GOI only has a policy for cricket team??

Don't think they consider Davis cup team as a proper national team.

Anyways chances remain that since this is a ICC event, Indian team may visit.

 

[Vikram1989]

Davis cup team did go. But whether it can be considered a national team is different.

It's official representation in tennis as Davis cup is played between countries unlike open tournaments

 

[cricketjoshila]

It's official representation in tennis as Davis cup is played between countries unlike open tournaments

Its not like a football or hockey or cricket national team.

 

[zn426]

All matches contribute something. Bit there is no separate revenue model for individual matches.

But there is separate revenue from different territories and that indicate 85 per cent revenues are from India.

I have no problems if India doesn't play Pakistan in any ICC matches.

India is sharing hosting rights with SL for the next T20 WC. Pakistan can play there.

Btw remember one thing India makes nearly 7bn from the sale of broadcast rights of IPL and BCCI's home series. And not a single pakistani is involved in them. Tells you how Pakistan isn't a big factor in getting money from India.

I'm fairly sure the ICC disagrees with you-or they would just tell India they don't have to play Pakistan in ICC tournaments anymore and we'd simply stop holding the Asia Cup as well.
As far as IPL rights, it's purely economic. Your $7 billion for five years shrinks in comparison to the NFL's $12.8 billion total-for one year alone (and it went up from $7.968 billion the prior year).
I suspect Pakistan will figure out its economy soon enough and with the world's fifth largest population, Pakistan will do quite well.

 

[zn426]

alag level ke jugaad!!
Bhai, International cricket hai, gully ki cricket team nahi!

Have you ever been part of an organization of a school event even?

Yes actually.

And the fact remains that the wagah border is available. Or they can fly from Lahore.

 

[stani_pak]

Its not like a football or hockey or cricket national team.

West Asia Cup Baseball is being hosted in Pakistan In october 9 nations will be coming and India is one of them, not a popular sport in south Asia but a team sport regardless

 

[boomboomcheema]

Its not like a football or hockey or cricket national team.

Lol what a dishonest blabbering individual you are. Just arguring for the sake of it. Davis Cup is specifically between country v/s country and Indian tennis federation is also under Sports authority of India , which again would need permission for the government .

Just admit, the problem is only with Cricket and for other sports that gain no attention India has no problems in sending a team

 

[boomboomcheema]

This is how Indian media celebrates the Davis Cup victory of Indian tennis team in Pakistan and some dishonest folks are just refusing to accept that it was an official Indian team.. all because the same standards are not followed while sending tennis teams in Pakistan. Guess deaths of jawaans don't matter when the sport is not popular , then athletes can be send to Pakistan.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Guys no more Davis Cup discussion here

 

[U$ofA]

Yes actually.

And the fact remains that the wagah border is available. Or they can fly from Lahore.

What I still don't understand with the posts in this thread is, why does India have to play CT? So what if they don't play? SL are a perfectly legitimate team that can replace India. I am sure they will gladly do that.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

If i am not wrong, no national team of India has visited Pakistan. Players may have visited in individual capacity.

wrong, plenty of Indian teams have visited Pakistan. Tennis went for Davis Cup .
We went fo SAFF games too. its only cricket that GoI plays the games.

 

[uppercut]

Justdmit, the problem is only with Cricket and for other sports that gain no attention India has no problems in sending a team

Yes I agree with you as a Indian fan it is very apparant that Cricket team has different rules ... what do you think is the main reason for this duplicity according to you?

 

[uppercut]

What I still don't understand with the posts in this thread is, why does India have to play CT? So what if they don't play? SL are a perfectly legitimate team that can replace India. I am sure they will gladly do that.

CA$H = King
No ind = No Cash =

 

[boomboomcheema]

So, this is how it transpired. Indian Tennis association also tried to force the Davis Cup tie to be played at a neutral venue but since India is a nobody in Tennis World with no leverage , their appeal was rejected and they had no option but to go to Pakistan.

AITA loses appeal in ITF tribunal, Indian Davis Cup team will have to travel to Pakistan

AITA loses appeal in ITF tribunal, Indian Davis Cup team will have to travel to Pakistan | Tennis News - Times of India

Tennis News: The ITF tribunal has rejected AITA's contention that its Davis Cup team could face security concerns during the World Group I Play-off tie in Islamaba

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Then the Indian Tennis association approached the Government for their permission, and heres what happened.

Unlike in 2019, when India were slated to play in Pakistan but geopolitical tensions between the countries meant the tie was shifted to a neutral venue in Nur Sultan, Kazakhstan, this time around, the International Tennis Federation (ITF) rejected AITA’s appeals for the same. The national federation first saw its appeal rejected by the Davis Cup Committee, and then by an independent ITF tribunal. Once no more options were left at their disposal, AITA approached the Sports Ministry seeking permission for the team to go to Pakistan, which was approved without much resistance.

‘We are well looked after’, says Indian Davis Cup manager on landing in Pakistan

It’s the first Indian tennis team to travel to Pakistan in 60 years after the All India Tennis Association failed to get the tie moved to a neutral venue

indianexpress.com

Lol so the same Chest Thumping Battle Hardened Indian government who act Macho during Cricket tournaments, who want to think about sending Cricket team to Pakistan till the last moment , where everything else is subject to Governemnt's approval, turned meek and subservient and quietly gave permission to the Tennis team to visit Pakistan, of course everything was done without much fuss and media attention so that no controversy happens.

Now blabbering fools are twisting this as how the Tennis Team was not Indian, same rules do not apply blah blah, The truth is the Jawaano ki aatma and Soldiers widows crying drama is not application to other sports the Souls of jawans rest is peace as long as only Cricket Tournaments are concerned.

 

[blahfriend]

I'm fairly sure the ICC disagrees with you-or they would just tell India they don't have to play Pakistan in ICC tournaments anymore and we'd simply stop holding the Asia Cup as well.
As far as IPL rights, it's purely economic. Your $7 billion for five years shrinks in comparison to the NFL's $12.8 billion total-for one year alone (and it went up from $7.968 billion the prior year).
I suspect Pakistan will figure out its economy soon enough and with the world's fifth largest population, Pakistan will do quite well.

Hahahaha… and PSL rights will be worth $25 bn a year. India will be twiddling its thumbs.

 

[deltexas]

If India is not touring then why the delay in announcement. A hybrid model also takes time to set up for logistics, planning , scheduling and fans to travel.

My guess is internally pcb knows this and planning accordingly. They can be bombastic for the pak public consumption. The delayed announcement probably helps both pcb and bcci. Both boards can say they tried their best but bcci didn't get permission from gov of Ind - and so belatedly in the interest of cricket and not wanting to hurt other Associate nations , for the greater benefit of humanity!! - they have agreed to a hybrid model for the cricket lovers... probably in uae or Bangladesh. And personally I would prefer Bangladesh over uae- more lively atmosphere

 

[blahfriend]

So, this is how it transpired. Indian Tennis association also tried to force the Davis Cup tie to be played at a neutral venue but since India is a nobody in Tennis World with no leverage , their appeal was rejected and they had no option but to go to Pakistan.

AITA loses appeal in ITF tribunal, Indian Davis Cup team will have to travel to Pakistan | Tennis News - Times of India

Tennis News: The ITF tribunal has rejected AITA's contention that its Davis Cup team could face security concerns during the World Group I Play-off tie in Islamaba

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Then the Indian Tennis association approached the Government for their permission, and heres what happened.

‘We are well looked after’, says Indian Davis Cup manager on landing in Pakistan

It’s the first Indian tennis team to travel to Pakistan in 60 years after the All India Tennis Association failed to get the tie moved to a neutral venue

indianexpress.com

Lol so the same Chest Thumping Battle Hardened Indian government who act Macho during Cricket tournaments, who want to think about sending Cricket team to Pakistan till the last moment , where everything else is subject to Governemnt's approval, turned meek and subservient and quietly gave permission to the Tennis team to visit Pakistan, of course everything was done without much fuss and media attention so that no controversy happens.

Now blabbering fools are twisting this as how the Tennis Team was not Indian, same rules do not apply blah blah, The truth is the Jawaano ki aatma and Soldiers widows crying drama is not application to other sports the Souls of jawans rest is peace as long as only Cricket Tournaments are concerned.

It appears to me GOI was reluctant to send Tennis team as well. It is consistent policy decision then.

 

[U$ofA]

CA$H = King
No ind = No Cash =

Ah! Yes. Of course. I guess no one on this thread wanted to say that out loud.

It is the $$$$$ that India brings that is the focus of the ICC and host. Explains the absolute radio silence at the ICC and PCB end.

I guess that is why the real world is so much different than the forum/fantasy world!

 

[Devadwal]

India will tour according to my prediction.

 

[blahfriend]

Ah! Yes. Of course. I guess no one on this thread wanted to say that out loud.

It is the $$$$$ that India brings that is the focus of the ICC and host. Explains the absolute radio silence at the ICC and PCB end.

I guess that is why the real world is so much different than the forum/fantasy world!

Of course and that is why PCB is inviting BCCI to visit. I thought it was an open secret, which is why PCB is posting videos of Pak cricketers interacting with Indian cricketers. Need for $ > self esteem

 

[U$ofA]

India will tour according to my prediction.

Agree. I think India will go to Pakistan this time around. Hopefully, will be the start of resumption of regular cricket between the two.

 

[blahfriend]

Agree. I think India will go to Pakistan this time around. Hopefully, will be the start of resumption of regular cricket between the two.

And pigs will fly….

 

[uppercut]

Now blabbering fools are twisting this as how the Tennis Team was not Indian, same rules do not apply blah blah, The truth is the Jawaano ki aatma and Soldiers widows crying drama is not application to other sports the Souls of jawans rest is peace as long as only Cricket Tournaments are concerned.

So what is your reasoning on why the Indian Govt and BCCI do this over and over again ?

 

[blahfriend]

i am genuinely curious why are PCT fans waiting with baited breathe for ICT. Such low self esteem

So what is your reasoning on why the Indian Govt and BCCI do this over and over again ?

GOI tried for tennis, could not force their way. Might succeed with ICC. Next generation of leaders in GOI will not think twice before snapping all ties. Modi’s supporters are mad at him for being soft. (Vajpayee/Advani lost support because they were perceived as soft when in power)

 

[rpant_gabba]

So the assumption that India is trying to hold the cricket world hostage ( including fans) is correct .....

not very different from PCB drama over WC23, first with participation then about the venue etc etc. what goes around, comes around. PCB and Pak fans don't seem to get this.

 

[offstump]

not very different from PCB drama over WC23, first with participation then about the venue etc etc. what goes around, comes around. PCB and Pak fans don't seem to get this.

Pakistan ended up touring India for the ICC World Cup. What goes around comes around indeed, India should act like the leaders in cricket you and others claim they are and tour Pakistan for this ICC event.

 

[blahfriend]

Pakistan ended up touring India for the ICC World Cup. What goes around comes around indeed, India should act like the leaders in cricket you and others claim they are and tour Pakistan for this ICC event.

If this is not the biggest cope I don’t know what is. Leaders don’t follow rules. They make rules and followers follow rules. Too cynical ? Welcome to the real world. Now if BCCI were real leaders as the followers often claim, they will not tour Pakistan.

 

[offstump]

If this is not the biggest cope I don’t know what is. Leaders don’t follow rules. They make rules and followers follow rules. Too cynical ? Welcome to the real world. Now if BCCI were real leaders as the followers often claim, they will not tour Pakistan.

Leaders actually create an environment where everyone benefits to advance the sport not act like petulant bullies. The rules are written by the ICC not the BCCI and they either follow, or if they want to pull out of the CT then make the damn announcement so it’s settled once and for all. They’re certainly not acting like “leaders” right now given their indecisiveness.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Pakistan ended up touring India for the ICC World Cup. What goes around comes around indeed, India should act like the leaders in cricket you and others claim they are and tour Pakistan for this ICC event.

Pak toured becos they had no other choice ( but managed to create logistics issues)

India does have a choice.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Pak toured becos they had no other choice ( but managed to create logistics issues)

India does have a choice.

what choice they have?

on what basis they will deny playing CT in Pakistan?

 

[blahfriend]

Leaders actually create an environment where everyone benefits to advance the sport not act like petulant bullies. The rules are written by the ICC not the BCCI and they either follow, or if they want to pull out of the CT then make the damn announcement so it’s settled once and for all. They’re certainly not acting like “leaders” right now given their indecisiveness.

Hahaha... in which make believe world are you residing. Wake up!! Smell the coffee! Corporate monopolies have special rules, Superpowers have different rules. Australia/England had different rules when they were cricketing superpowers. Get used to the fact if BCCI is a leader, The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must. Until PCB is strong, the only thing it can do is cope and beg for BCCI and GOI to tour Pak for the dollars.

 

[blahfriend]

what choice they have?

on what basis they will deny playing CT in Pakistan?

Simple. GOI denied the permission due to security issue. No more basis are required. The same basis that NZC pulled back it's team.

 

[rpant_gabba]

No he's avoided making any statements this time unlike his confident statements on the Asia Cup. Also notice the lack of bombastic statements from the Pakistan Cricket Board. It's all been pretty low key.

Probably an indicator of frenetic backchannel negotiations ongoing. Can't predict the result. Maybe India will travel. More likely, we won't.

There can be many different reads from this.

India is too busy basking in the win.

The message for clearly delivered with the asia cup and all of Pak tantrums about boycotting WC23 came to nothing.

maybe pak has learned not to poke the bear. I know. miracles do happen it seems

 

[cricketjoshila]

wrong, plenty of Indian teams have visited Pakistan. Tennis went for Davis Cup .
We went fo SAFF games too. its only cricket that GoI plays the games.

Again i said Davis cup team isn't a proper national team.

Which saff games did India go to Pakistan for?

The only national team visiting Pakistan was the Baseball team. Even they were stopped at the border by the government but later allowed as they were apparently an "amateur" association.

 

[cricketjoshila]

India will tour according to my prediction.

They may. But everything will depend on the then prevailing political situation.

 

[blahfriend]

Again i said Davis cup team isn't a proper national team.

Which saff games did India go to Pakistan for?

The only national team visiting Pakistan was the Baseball team. Even they were stopped at the border by the government but later allowed as they were apparently an "amateur" association.

Also BCCI is technically a private club.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So, this is how it transpired. Indian Tennis association also tried to force the Davis Cup tie to be played at a neutral venue but since India is a nobody in Tennis World with no leverage , their appeal was rejected and they had no option but to go to Pakistan.

AITA loses appeal in ITF tribunal, Indian Davis Cup team will have to travel to Pakistan | Tennis News - Times of India

Tennis News: The ITF tribunal has rejected AITA's contention that its Davis Cup team could face security concerns during the World Group I Play-off tie in Islamaba

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Then the Indian Tennis association approached the Government for their permission, and heres what happened.

‘We are well looked after’, says Indian Davis Cup manager on landing in Pakistan

It’s the first Indian tennis team to travel to Pakistan in 60 years after the All India Tennis Association failed to get the tie moved to a neutral venue

indianexpress.com

Lol so the same Chest Thumping Battle Hardened Indian government who act Macho during Cricket tournaments, who want to think about sending Cricket team to Pakistan till the last moment , where everything else is subject to Governemnt's approval, turned meek and subservient and quietly gave permission to the Tennis team to visit Pakistan, of course everything was done without much fuss and media attention so that no controversy happens.

Now blabbering fools are twisting this as how the Tennis Team was not Indian, same rules do not apply blah blah, The truth is the Jawaano ki aatma and Soldiers widows crying drama is not application to other sports the Souls of jawans rest is peace as long as only Cricket Tournaments are concerned.

Every time i read posts like this, i really wish we don't visit Pakistan for CT. And shut these people down.

Davis Cup team isn't a national team.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Also BCCI is technically a private club.

It was. Before the supreme court verdict.

 

[blahfriend]

It was. Before the supreme court verdict.

Good to know. I was not aware.

 

[cricketjoshila]

No he's avoided making any statements this time unlike his confident statements on the Asia Cup. Also notice the lack of bombastic statements from the Pakistan Cricket Board. It's all been pretty low key.

Probably an indicator of frenetic backchannel negotiations ongoing. Can't predict the result. Maybe India will travel. More likely, we won't.

CT is too far away. Any decision will come closer to the tournament.

 

[offstump]

Hahaha... in which make believe world are you residing. Wake up!! Smell the coffee! Corporate monopolies have special rules, Superpowers have different rules. Australia/England had different rules when they were cricketing superpowers. Get used to the fact if BCCI is a leader, The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must. Until PCB is strong, the only thing it can do is cope and beg for BCCI and GOI to tour Pak for the dollars.

I’m living in the present. We aren’t at war and Jay Shah isn’t Thucydides India are the only country who are trying to make special rules for themselves. PCB isn’t begging BCCI for anything, either come or announce you’re not, is it that difficult?

 

[blahfriend]

I’m living in the present. We aren’t at war and Jay Shah isn’t Thucydides India are the only country who are trying to make special rules for themselves. PCB isn’t begging BCCI for anything, either come or announce you’re not, is it that difficult?

Afaik, thucydides just narrated/dramatized it and it is a general philosophy. Second the war was between Athens and Sparta. Athenians just invaded Melos because they could, despite Melos not being involved in the war. So neither of your analogies are correct.

If BCCI is as strong as they are projected to be, what incentive do they have to announce their decision for something that is next year.

PCB is acting like a jilted lover and willing to prove it's Dewangee by either suiing ICC/BCCI and threatening to sue BCCI.
I remember they lost the case against BCCI and ended up paying for Harish Salve's legal fees

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Every time i read posts like this, i really wish we don't visit Pakistan for CT. And shut these people down.

Davis Cup team isn't a national team.

What is it then and why did India try their best to move the tie?

 

[cricketjoshila]

What is it then and why did India try their best to move the tie?

AITA tried to move the tie because Indian players weren't willing to visit Pakistan. The first choice players later withdrew.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

AITA tried to move the tie because Indian players weren't willing to visit Pakistan. The first choice players later withdrew.

AITA protested some stuff about security and ITF told them to do one.

First choice players withdrawing is a red herring. Did the security suddenly change for the second choice players or were the AITA merely lying with their reasoning?

And finally this seems like a lot of drama took place on the Indian side for a tour of " not a national team". I find this point completely irrelevant.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Again i said Davis cup team isn't a proper national team.

Which saff games did India go to Pakistan for?

The only national team visiting Pakistan was the Baseball team. Even they were stopped at the border by the government but later allowed as they were apparently an "amateur" association.

How is Davis Cup not a national team? Plz explain.

AITA represents and selects the Davis Cup Team selecting Indian tennis team.

Apni marzi se status khatam kar diya, Modi ji

 

[Pakpak]

Read through the entire discussion here.

Frankly this is an ICC event. We don't know what the vote count was when Pakistan was awarded the hosting rights, but I'll point out that Geoff Allardice of Australia and Greg Barclay took over ICC management in 2021 and 2020 respectively. Wasim Khan likely argued their case for hosting rights successfully but I can't imagine the political issues around India weren't discussed at all.
When it comes to the cup, as I have said before, India needs to make clear its position. Now. Jay Shah was loud enough to advocate his position prior to the Asia Cup and Rameez Raja was loud enough to counter, although his swift ousting not long after that with the GOP regime change basically ensured Pakistan would comply with BCCI issues with a minimum of fuss. That indicates to me that India will make a decision on how they want to play this game soon.

All the Indians who are screaming that India can simply do whatever they like-TV deals have been signed, the venue plan has been arranged, and Pakistan is upgrading stadiums for the matches. If India backs out at the last minute, there WILL be damages. India can't say "we'll tour" or "we're currently thinking about it" and then at the last minute back out. You may think that India's gold will be enough, but after Australia and England have basically backed Pakistan for this tournament, they will find a way to make this work. Do remember that England and Pakistan have been quite friendly with each other, Pakistan by touring England for a Test series during the pandemic (and with England returning the favor to show confidence in the Pakistani security situation). Australia and New Zealand followed that lead by also touring Pakistan for full series and England and South Africa are scheduled to return this year with Bangladesh too.

India basically has four options here:
1. Go to Pakistan without any complaints.
2. Agree to play in Pakistan but refuse to stay in Pakistan (i.e. stay in hotels across the border and fly in for matches).
3. Refuse to play in Pakistan and demand a hybrid tournament.
4. Refuse to play at all.

Once they choose their path I think it will start determining long-term cricket planning for both countries. Personally, I'm not against the hybrid model for matches in Pakistan and India-as long as each team gets to host ALL non-final of their matches in their home country. It's highly unbalanced to demand Pakistan tour India and to let India make money off them for World Cup matches when they have a cricket mad fan base in Pakistan. Effectively, I'm advocating for partial joint hosting. IE for 2026 T20 World Cup Pakistan can host all Pakistan's group matches, Super 8, and semi-final matches except for Pakistan-India if Pakistan is playing. Once they're out of the tournament, India can host the rest of the matches including the final (as it would be far too difficult to move that to Pakistan if PK made the final and India didn't). This way neither side is making money off the other and it's fair and balanced. This is a market-based approach to fairness.

As for all the posters claiming here that Pakistan has been its own worst enemy, you're right to an extent. The constant political backlash that sees leadership removed with the changing of political leadership is absurd and ridiculous. Cricket is a business. You have to do everything you can to make your team as competitive as possible, build a strong fan base, and consistently get good sides to tour your country. It's a give-and-take. Having professional leadership that withstands political administration is hugely important. I actually happen to think raja and Wasim Khan did a pretty decent job compared with the people in charge since then. I advocated for Pakistan stealing tours from India years ago, especially during the UAE years. You want to build good relationships with other boards, go and tour them and ensure they know you're ready to help them-and they will help you in return. this is why Test cricket returned to cricket. that's something else you all need to factor in btw-it took YEARS for Pakistan to rebuild trust in the security situation that brought big sides in to tour. between PSL, building up from Zimbabwe to Sri Lanka to New Zealand to England-all that took years of hard work by PCB and the government of Pakistan.

But they DID do that. And it was rewarded. India's been the only country with an axe to grind, and we know it has zero to do with cricket and everything to do with politics.
Pakistan still needs to make its own way in cricket, but I still believe they can do extremely well in cricket and make their way to professional administration and be as others have said here, the second richest cricket board with a vibrant cricket culture. It will just take a lot of work, and it will take everyone in the Pakistani cricketing setup, from the top administrators to the cricket players themselves to reach that lofty status.

Superb post. I agree with everything you've said.

 

[Pakpak]

Read through the entire discussion here.

Frankly this is an ICC event. We don't know what the vote count was when Pakistan was awarded the hosting rights, but I'll point out that Geoff Allardice of Australia and Greg Barclay took over ICC management in 2021 and 2020 respectively. Wasim Khan likely argued their case for hosting rights successfully but I can't imagine the political issues around India weren't discussed at all.
When it comes to the cup, as I have said before, India needs to make clear its position. Now. Jay Shah was loud enough to advocate his position prior to the Asia Cup and Rameez Raja was loud enough to counter, although his swift ousting not long after that with the GOP regime change basically ensured Pakistan would comply with BCCI issues with a minimum of fuss. That indicates to me that India will make a decision on how they want to play this game soon.

All the Indians who are screaming that India can simply do whatever they like-TV deals have been signed, the venue plan has been arranged, and Pakistan is upgrading stadiums for the matches. If India backs out at the last minute, there WILL be damages. India can't say "we'll tour" or "we're currently thinking about it" and then at the last minute back out. You may think that India's gold will be enough, but after Australia and England have basically backed Pakistan for this tournament, they will find a way to make this work. Do remember that England and Pakistan have been quite friendly with each other, Pakistan by touring England for a Test series during the pandemic (and with England returning the favor to show confidence in the Pakistani security situation). Australia and New Zealand followed that lead by also touring Pakistan for full series and England and South Africa are scheduled to return this year with Bangladesh too.

India basically has four options here:
1. Go to Pakistan without any complaints.
2. Agree to play in Pakistan but refuse to stay in Pakistan (i.e. stay in hotels across the border and fly in for matches).
3. Refuse to play in Pakistan and demand a hybrid tournament.
4. Refuse to play at all.

Once they choose their path I think it will start determining long-term cricket planning for both countries. Personally, I'm not against the hybrid model for matches in Pakistan and India-as long as each team gets to host ALL non-final of their matches in their home country. It's highly unbalanced to demand Pakistan tour India and to let India make money off them for World Cup matches when they have a cricket mad fan base in Pakistan. Effectively, I'm advocating for partial joint hosting. IE for 2026 T20 World Cup Pakistan can host all Pakistan's group matches, Super 8, and semi-final matches except for Pakistan-India if Pakistan is playing. Once they're out of the tournament, India can host the rest of the matches including the final (as it would be far too difficult to move that to Pakistan if PK made the final and India didn't). This way neither side is making money off the other and it's fair and balanced. This is a market-based approach to fairness.

As for all the posters claiming here that Pakistan has been its own worst enemy, you're right to an extent. The constant political backlash that sees leadership removed with the changing of political leadership is absurd and ridiculous. Cricket is a business. You have to do everything you can to make your team as competitive as possible, build a strong fan base, and consistently get good sides to tour your country. It's a give-and-take. Having professional leadership that withstands political administration is hugely important. I actually happen to think raja and Wasim Khan did a pretty decent job compared with the people in charge since then. I advocated for Pakistan stealing tours from India years ago, especially during the UAE years. You want to build good relationships with other boards, go and tour them and ensure they know you're ready to help them-and they will help you in return. this is why Test cricket returned to cricket. that's something else you all need to factor in btw-it took YEARS for Pakistan to rebuild trust in the security situation that brought big sides in to tour. between PSL, building up from Zimbabwe to Sri Lanka to New Zealand to England-all that took years of hard work by PCB and the government of Pakistan.

But they DID do that. And it was rewarded. India's been the only country with an axe to grind, and we know it has zero to do with cricket and everything to do with politics.
Pakistan still needs to make its own way in cricket, but I still believe they can do extremely well in cricket and make their way to professional administration and be as others have said here, the second richest cricket board with a vibrant cricket culture. It will just take a lot of work, and it will take everyone in the Pakistani cricketing setup, from the top administrators to the cricket players themselves to reach that lofty status.

Once they choose their path I think it will start determining long-term cricket planning for both countries. Personally, I'm not against the hybrid model for matches in Pakistan and India-as long as each team gets to host ALL non-final of their matches in their home country. It's highly unbalanced to demand Pakistan tour India and to let India make money off them for World Cup matches when they have a cricket mad fan base in Pakistan

I totally agree with this too.

I am pretty sick of Pakistan having been to India multiple times for tourneys, its absurd if they don't do the same now. Indians will chime in but 'security', if India come they will probably get the security that Asim Munir gets. It will be a matter of national pride for these dictators to prove how 'successful' their new regime has been.

 

[cricketjoshila]

AITA protested some stuff about security and ITF told them to do one.

First choice players withdrawing is a red herring. Did the security suddenly change for the second choice players or were the AITA merely lying with their reasoning?

And finally this seems like a lot of drama took place on the Indian side for a tour of " not a national team". I find this point completely irrelevant.

First choice players withdrew and AITA went with the players who were willing to travel to Pakistan despite security concerns.

There is no Indian National Tennis Team. Davis Cup teams are temporarily assembled for this one tournament.

 

[zn426]

Simple. GOI denied the permission due to security issue. No more basis are required. The same basis that NZC pulled back it's team.

New Zealand eventually toured. Security issues don't last forever. Unless you believe that the ICT will cross the border and promptly be taken hostage by the Pakistan army or a terror group like TTP or LET, security isn't the issue here. If it's good enough for England, Australia, and New Zealand, it's plenty good enough for India.

There are some interesting posts about leadership here. One of the most important things that IK did while in office was he banned exports with India after 27/2. that forced Pakistani companies to master the manufacturing process themselves, and for a time, exports rose as Pakistani products directly hit the market instead of the value-add process being done in India. the current "leadership" is completely spineless and they're going back to that old model that prevents this. It is unfortunate IK isn't in office, because he would likely have forced the same issue around cricket-India doesn't play in Pakistan, Pakistan won't play in India.

It was an equivalent event for Pakistan as you claim 11/26 was for India. It's very odd to me that India's issues with 26/11 disappear immediately when there's money to be made. At least some of you on this board are more honest about your disdain for anything Pakistani (aside from posting on a Pakistani cricket board, LOL!)

Don't worry Indian fans. Pakistan's gutless leadership will give you what you want. Pakistan will continue to tour India for ICC tournaments, and let India make millions off them while BCCI continues to hide behind Modi's skirts and cites "security issues" as to why they can't tour Pakistan. If they were only brave enough to chart their own course.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

First choice players withdrew and AITA went with the players who were willing to travel to Pakistan despite security concerns.

There is no Indian National Tennis Team. Davis Cup teams are temporarily assembled for this one tournament.

What you are saying isn't clear. I am not familiar with the Indian stance on the issue either.

Did the AITA initially have the security concerns and convey them on behalf of the federation or did the first choice players have the concerns?

 

[U$ofA]

Leaders actually create an environment where everyone benefits to advance the sport not act like petulant bullies. The rules are written by the ICC not the BCCI and they either follow, or if they want to pull out of the CT then make the damn announcement so it’s settled once and for all. They’re certainly not acting like “leaders” right now given their indecisiveness.

Why is the ICC waiting for an announcement from the BCCI? The ICC should make the decision. Tell India they missed the bus because they did not confirm participation. Another team takes their place. CT happens as scheduled.

All settled once and for all. India's indecisiveness no longer affects ICC or PCB with this ICC decision. Of course ICC should make another decision too. India does not get any $ distribution from the profits either since they did not participate.

 

[U$ofA]

what choice they have?

on what basis they will deny playing CT in Pakistan?

Why does India have to play? It is perfectly fine if they don't. Another team can/will replace them.

 

[blahfriend]

New Zealand eventually toured. Security issues don't last forever. Unless you believe that the ICT will cross the border and promptly be taken hostage by the Pakistan army or a terror group like TTP or LET, security isn't the issue here. If it's good enough for England, Australia, and New Zealand, it's plenty good enough for India.

There are some interesting posts about leadership here. One of the most important things that IK did while in office was he banned exports with India after 27/2. that forced Pakistani companies to master the manufacturing process themselves, and for a time, exports rose as Pakistani products directly hit the market instead of the value-add process being done in India. the current "leadership" is completely spineless and they're going back to that old model that prevents this. It is unfortunate IK isn't in office, because he would likely have forced the same issue around cricket-India doesn't play in Pakistan, Pakistan won't play in India.

It was an equivalent event for Pakistan as you claim 11/26 was for India. It's very odd to me that India's issues with 26/11 disappear immediately when there's money to be made. At least some of you on this board are more honest about your disdain for anything Pakistani (aside from posting on a Pakistani cricket board, LOL!)

Don't worry Indian fans. Pakistan's gutless leadership will give you what you want. Pakistan will continue to tour India for ICC tournaments, and let India make millions off them while BCCI continues to hide behind Modi's skirts and cites "security issues" as to why they can't tour Pakistan. If they were only brave enough to chart their own course.

What BCCI or GOI believes is immaterial The question was what would be the reason and not touring Pakistan due to security concerns suffices.

Pakistan, PCB or ICC cannot decide what security is good enough for India. It is upto the Indian agencies to determine the risk. If Indian security agencies (rightfully or wrongfully) believe a high threat perception to the Indian team, India is well within it's rights to not tour Pakistan.

As for posting on Pakistani cricket board, I believe you know the word schadenfreude.

As to what Pakistan's leadership does or doesn't do, I believe it is not India's concern. BCCI and GOI's primary interests are to look after the interests of Indians and Indian cricket team.

> if they were only brave....
Should've, could've, would've

 

[blahfriend]

Why is the ICC waiting for an announcement from the BCCI? The ICC should make the decision. Tell India they missed the bus because they did not confirm participation. Another team takes their place. CT happens as scheduled.

All settled once and for all. India's indecisiveness no longer affects ICC or PCB with this ICC decision. Of course ICC should make another decision too. India does not get any $ distribution from the profits either since they did not participate.

If only.....

 

[Sir Alex]

@BouncerGuy :

Adding further, Do you remember how BCCI ended English dictatorship at ICC. Dalmiya collaborated with PCB and Sri Lanka, got Bangaldesh a full member status and formed a powerful Asian bloc with 4 votes. We had tons and tons of tournaments among the Asian teams between 96 and 2000. It was a joint effort to take on the then dictatorship of ECB.

Why does BCCI keep touring Zimbabwe? To keep the Zimbabwe board happy by earning them hosting revenue.
Which board will be willing to side with PCB in current scenario?

Great point.

All PCB has done at a diplomatic level is to have NZC send their team every quarter to Pak.

What they need to do, swallow their pride and make overtures to BCCI and see if they can ATLEAST host a series in UAE with India, and get to pocket that Broadcaster money.

Instead PCB are acting like children and crying victim.

 

[Sir Alex]

But I think ICC is not International cricket council anymore, it is INDIAN CRICEKT COUNCIL because India generate revenue and ICC treat other small boards like nobodies.

That has been the case for a decade plus now

When 80-90% of your revenue is from one single country, you are not independent but basically a glorified subsidiary of that board..

 

[Sir Alex]

Nothing much, ICC won't be losing any revenue unless India's participation is part of the broadcaster deal. India will lose participation share and broadbaster will be seriously pissed and next contract will include the clause of Indian participation.

If Indian participation is already part of the deal, then yes, CT 2025 might be making losses for everyone without India.
The tournament might be simply scrapped and Pakistan may not get a chance to host again. That's the worst case scenario.
We dont know the details.

There is no way in the world that any sane Broadcaster signs a multi year contract and not having a clause that insists on India participation .

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

First choice players withdrew and AITA went with the players who were willing to travel to Pakistan despite security concerns.

There is no Indian National Tennis Team. Davis Cup teams are temporarily assembled for this one tournament.

So, This Zimbabwe tour is also not national Team right? No First choice players right.
Yaar, aise gazab level logic mat maaro. You are not interested in Tennis is one thing, but aisi baat mat bolo jis par Leander Paes aakar aapko maare!

India Davis Cup team - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Phir bologo, FIBA basketball world cup is also not a real world cup, as most top players from NBA dont go for it.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

1974 Davis Cup - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

India refused to travel to South Africa for the final due to their government's opposition to South Africa's apartheid policies: therefore, the final was scratched and South Africa were awarded the Davis Cup.[1][2] South Africa became only the fifth nation to win the Davis Cup, breaking the dominance of the United States, Great Britain, France and Australia teams which had won every tournament before this year.

Davis Cup Team has to follow the diktats of GoI. Like any other National Sports Team. 1974 was the Final of Davis Cup that Indian team had to let go.

@cricketjoshila

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

There is no way in the world that any sane Broadcaster signs a multi year contract and not having a clause that insists on India participation .

We never know, sometimes there a omissions that lead to millions of dollars of losses.

 

[uppercut]

It was an equivalent event for Pakistan as you claim 11/26 was for India.

What were the casualty figures ?

 

[msb314]

Really? Pakistan contributes nothing? Then why are they always scheduled to play each other in ICC tournaments? Be serious with yourself and look past your saffron sunglasses for a minute.

If Pakistan had advanced in the T20 World Cup, do you know what their seeding was? A2. India was A1. The ICC had planned for them to play twice.
2023-same group
2022-same group
2021-same group
2019-same group
2017-same group
2015-same group
2013-same group

You'd have to go back to 2011, when Pakistan and India did not meet until the semis, to find a World Cup or other ICC tournament where Pakistan and India were not guaranteed to play each other. Notably, this happened after bilateral cricket ties between Pakistan and India were suspended after the 11/26 attacks (except for the 2012 series). I'm not even factoring in the Asia Cups where the ACC ensures Pakistan and India are likely to face each other multiple times throughout the course of the event.

If what you say is correct, then India should have no problem letting Pakistan host their own group at ICC tournaments and not playing India at all unless they meet in a knockout round. After all, the ICC doesn't need the apparently minimal amount of marginal revenue that a Pakistan-India match will generate, nor will they need the revenue generated from Pakistan touring India for ICC tournament matches.

In fact Pakistan and India were also drawn together in the Super 8 stage of the 2012, 2014 and 2016 WorldT20

 

[msb314]

There are also Australia England matches.

But Aus England have only played each other since 2017 CT and onwards..

In fact had Eng vs Namibia been washed out they would not have played each other in 2024 WorldT20 neither..

 

[msb314]

Pak toured becos they had no other choice ( but managed to create logistics issues)

India does have a choice.

Actually PCB did have a choice.. but chose to tour India for the WC because of our longstanding policy of not mingling sports with politics. That is the official stance of GOP as of 2024.

Yes I know the 2025 CT had something to do with it but officially Pakistan will tour any and all nations unless there is a genuine security risk..

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Actually PCB did have a choice.. but chose to tour India for the WC because of our longstanding policy of not mingling sports with politics. That is the official stance of GOP as of 2024.

Yes I know the 2025 CT had something to do with it but officially Pakistan will tour any and all nations unless there is a genuine security risk..

Really? Does Pakistan play with Israel in any of the sports??
Next level claims

How about this?

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN18T0SS/

Cricket: Pakistan to boycott Afghan league after relations cool​

LAHORE (Reuters) - The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) will not allow its players and coaches to feature in Afghanistan's domestic Twenty20 league next month following a breakdown in relations between their boards in the wake of Wednesday's blast in Kabul.

Please get down from you imaginary pedestal of moral superiority.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Actually PCB did have a choice.. but chose to tour India for the WC because of our longstanding policy of not mingling sports with politics. That is the official stance of GOP as of 2024.

Yes I know the 2025 CT had something to do with it but officially Pakistan will tour any and all nations unless there is a genuine security risk..

Pakistan pulls out of international chess tournament in row over Kashmir torch relay​

Pakistan has pulled out of the International Chess Olympiad hosted by India, citing the “politicisation” of the tournament by the passing of the torch relay through New Delhi-administered Jammu and Kashmir.

Longstanding policy

 

[rpant_gabba]

Actually PCB did have a choice.. but chose to tour India for the WC because of our longstanding policy of not mingling sports with politics. That is the official stance of GOP as of 2024.

Yes I know the 2025 CT had something to do with it but officially Pakistan will tour any and all nations unless there is a genuine security risk..

nonsense. The long standing policy of pakitan has been to involve posts with politics.

1980 moscow olympics boycott

boycott fo asia cup and india tour over babri masjid and more.

It just convenietly so happened that those were also the best financial moves for Pak and PCB.

Now that shoe is on the other foot ever since Indian economy picked up in the mid to 90's Pakistan has had change of heart

 

[cricketjoshila]

So, This Zimbabwe tour is also not national Team right? No First choice players right.
Yaar, aise gazab level logic mat maaro. You are not interested in Tennis is one thing, but aisi baat mat bolo jis par Leander Paes aakar aapko maare!

India Davis Cup team - Wikipedia

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Phir bologo, FIBA basketball world cup is also not a real world cup, as most top players from NBA dont go for it.

There is a permanent Indian national cricket team. It has a permanent captain coach etc. Plays round the year.

Davis Cup team is a temporary arrangement.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why is the ICC waiting for an announcement from the BCCI? The ICC should make the decision. Tell India they missed the bus because they did not confirm participation. Another team takes their place. CT happens as scheduled.

All settled once and for all. India's indecisiveness no longer affects ICC or PCB with this ICC decision. Of course ICC should make another decision too. India does not get any $ distribution from the profits either since they did not participate.

All that's fine.

But how will ICC deal with the indian broadcaster and sponsors who bring in 85 per cent of the money. They will be unwilling to pay the same amount.

How will ICC make the shortfall?

 

[cricketjoshila]

1974 Davis Cup - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

India refused to travel to South Africa for the final due to their government's opposition to South Africa's apartheid policies: therefore, the final was scratched and South Africa were awarded the Davis Cup.[1][2] South Africa became only the fifth nation to win the Davis Cup, breaking the dominance of the United States, Great Britain, France and Australia teams which had won every tournament before this year.

Davis Cup Team has to follow the diktats of GoI. Like any other National Sports Team. 1974 was the Final of Davis Cup that Indian team had to let go.

@cricketjoshila

This isn't 1974. AITA also didn't want to go to SA as there was no guarantee Indian players will be treated properly.

 

[cricketjoshila]

We never know, sometimes there a omissions that lead to millions of dollars of losses.

Disney paid $3bn for 4 year broadcast rights of India territory. Why will they pay the money if India isn't part of the event.

 

[cricketjoshila]

But Aus England have only played each other since 2017 CT and onwards..

In fact had Eng vs Namibia been washed out they would not have played each other in 2024 WorldT20 neither..

Australia England also played each other in 2015 WC. They also played each other in 2013 CT.

Australia and England were in the same group in WT20 2024 and played each other before the England Namibia game.