That is ridiculous. Why do you have to "keep it private"?
Not when one set of minority become so ungrateful that they want majority to bend and keep bending, and don't want to give an inch. It has to be both ways.
So you are fine with charlie hebdo?
In that case, your coreligionists offer prayers on streets blocking traffic, in Parks where kids are playing and blast out prayers in loud speakers 5 times a day. Is that on applying your religion forcibly on others?
You have to thank Gandhian pacifist philosophy. He used say Hey Ram for everything, but followed Buddha and Jains for all practical purposes
I would never ever be ok with any of that. I have always maintained that your views about Islam and Muslims are based on your experiences in India which are vastly different from Muslims of the rest of the world. The Muslims of the subcontinent are a terrible breed, I have to admit.
I'm open to a 'nothing is sacred, every animal, book and historic figure should be fair game for eating, abuse and ridicule' kind of society. I don't know if all of you religious folks would enjoy it though.
see here you go again going to t..it... for t..a...at stuff.
Glad he is alive. But you cannot deny the large number of those who aren’t due to Hindutva goons.
Last month I went to Niagara. I saw a large group of Bangladeshis(they were speaking bangla) offer prayers in the park adjacent to it. Kids who were playing there were staring at the people offering prayers.
Some hindus are just like any other, where they take matter in hand when it comes to religion. I am not denying it, not am I expecting it to be any different.
After reading many hadiths, I think muslims will do well to follow the sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w). He had a sense of humour, he was romantic, he was good with kids and he liked things in moderation.
If I'm being really honest, I'd love to have the ability to make jokes on every religious figure. They seem too solemn and often claim ridiculous things.
I have been to Niagara, although it was years ago. There are vast open spaces there. I don't believe you are violating any laws or restricting any public activity if there is a jamaat of upto 50 people there. Kids and adults starting at them does not necessarily make it an illegal activity, now does it? it may seem odd to some, but they are not hurting anybody.
well then you have those freedoms in a free society. Regardless of how much disdain I have for such stuff, unfortunately you are protected under free speech in a free country. Legally, I would expend all resources to oppose your activity, and I will b e exercising my legal right as well.
I'm always amused that religious folks are outraged at filth hurled on their beliefs when the very religious books they hold so sacred say terrible things about non-believers and condemn them to the deepest pits of hell with sadistic tortures.
Why just mainstream and majority? Why fringe doesn't matter? Anders Breivik called himself a christian crusader.
You didn't answer how I am stopping you from consuming beef in USA?
If you want to draw cartoons that are not disrespectful, sure go ahead. But if you draw insulting caricatures, is that really the same?
No revolution and no resistance is innocent.
They have spent a long time arguing about what's offensive and you seem to be dedicating a lot of time in a condescending way to tell them they shouldn't be offended and offering them alternatives to be offended about.
Well my apologies if I am coming across that way but perhaps my somewhat standoffish tone is coming from the fact the same participants in this debate have asked me for proof of certain faith based claims I have made. I am really not too hung up over them proving it to me.
Not sure about corrupt. But Hindutva is an unapologetic version of Hinduism. They give it as good as they take it.
Exactly. You yourself accept it. And thats why people have a problem .
Such goons must be thrashed freely bulling an innocent elderly person.
They don’t give 2 hoots about what others think about Hinduism as a religion. You accept the way we are or eff off types.
Are you trying to justify your laws to justify pakistans existence, or should you be worried about justifying your laws to justify India’s claim of a secular country?
You can complain and whine but these are democratic principles. I am not saying I want “full secularism” anywhere. My argument is simply that “if” you claim to be secular then your laws should reflect it.
About claiming Sikhism, Buddhism and Jainism as its derivatives. Haha
I didn’t delete it. I was busy setting up my loudspeakers to annoy the neughbors
And that is the difference I am stating. When Muslims are in minority, they scream secularism. When in majority - they want Islamic laws. And its only Islamic countries and on;y with Islam that you see. There are so many Christian nations and non Islamic nations that have secular laws. How many Islamic countries have secular laws that state Islam is not their state religion ?? So does that not indicate a pattern of why it only happens with Muslims or Islamic countries ? You can pretend to be naive but you the undercurrent principle here. Proper separation of Church and state is the way to go and that is how it is in secular countries which the Islamic countries are not..
Please name a few.
Maybe it is. Maybe it is not. I don’t think any religion in the world has such an intricate codified governance model as Islam perhaps that’s why we it in Muslim countries. If Christianity had something like it, perhaps they would apply it as well, but they didn’t.
Read the federalist papers and James Madison’s philosophy about small government. Why US postal service is perhaps one of few national departments servicing the citizens. Why are Sundays off, and not Mondays or Tuesdays or Wednesdays?
India is not secular because it does not let people like you eat beef.
Abortion is illegal? isn't that left up to the states?
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So one state makes it legal and you say it’s legal everywhere?
So its less about religion at a national level and more about what is agreeable to the state? is there federal ban on abortion ?
Why do you claim that abortion is a xtian issue? the bible doesn't recognize baby as human until 1 month after birth.
I'd argue that debate around abortion is a step away from the death cult that is xtianity and unconscius embrace of secular humanism.
postal service is xitanity law being applied? if those you arguments, you are bringing a knife to a gun fight.
About its identity. You can say Hindutva is Islam lite version of hinduism. Still has a long way to go. Even RSS practicies soft hindutva. We need hard hindutva.
Another lie. Claiming all 4 religions are Dharmic and Indic, which means all have the same roots. Not that Hinduism is the root of all the other three.
This is true. There is a reason why Muslims rejected secularism like a plague from their own countries. They should impose all rules based on hinduism and subdue muslim minorities like muslim nations have done to their own minorities
Christianity is the corrupt version of which idelogy? Old testament is full of violence and bigotry. What led to that corruption?
Why are you imposing your ideas of respectful on me? You respect whatever you want. Who are you to censor my liberties?
There are dirt bags in all countries.
Who is asking you to stop consuming beef?
Next time you are on the conference call with brother modi, please convey this message to him.
It’s not like you guys already don’t do that.
Islamophobia is irrational fear of islam.
I have explained this to Pak posters many times. All of them are sister religions. In fact they were never religions. They are called Marg or Path.
You could be right about the mindset. India had 1000 years of shame from Arabs to Turks to British. That is exactly what propels India too to make progress. India has made significant strides in the past 2 decades. The next 2 decades also belongs to India. It is well on the path to become an economic power. We all know Money rules and Talks.
Although Pakistan region was the first to face the brunt of invasions, they don't hold any mental or civilizational scars. Because by converting to Islam the vanquished became the victor and altered their timeline and history.
And Hindus seem to have that introspection In spades as they have over the centuries created oppressive systems like sati, caste, dealing with lower castes and Dalits, and razing down places of worship of Muslims in retaliation and revenge?
Yep. Including atheists who've been responsible for some of the worst human behaviors.And Hindus seem to have that introspection In spades as they have over the centuries created oppressive systems like sati, caste, dealing with lower castes and Dalits, and razing down places of worship of Muslims in retaliation and revenge?
It’s all great once you start picking out flaws of others and complain about lack of introspection but only one who has no skeletons In their own closet can smugly utter such things. All others including Hindus should simply accept that they are no better.
Actually it looks like they are cutting of taweez from Muslims.
What is the track record of upper caste Hindus when it comes to lower caste Hindus and Dalits and achyuts, etc? Also what is their track record since the 90s when it comes to Muslims?
How about Hindu Christian riots or Hindu Sikh riots?
I think this birthrate nonsense is way overblown. Just something for Modi and his followers to use as scaremongering vote gatherers than actuality.
LOL and LOL.And Hindus seem to have that introspection In spades as they have over the centuries created oppressive systems like sati, caste, dealing with lower castes and Dalits, and razing down places of worship of Muslims in retaliation and revenge?
It’s all great once you start picking out flaws of others and complain about lack of introspection but only one who has no skeletons In their own closet can smugly utter such things. All others including Hindus should simply accept that they are no better.
Still remember when years ago posters were discussing Islam's punishment on people practising homosexuality. It's hilarious that some British Pakistanis were actually defending the death penalty for such people.
Please share where I can find this acceptance of the flaws. It would be interesting reading.
It is out there in real. Many hindus have been at the forefront of social reform for dalits. Hindu leaders led reforms for bad social practices. Widow remarriage, women rights, dalit rights, other backward caste rights all led by prominent hindus.
