The killing of the wife was not because she was cheating or did some unthinkable stuff. She was killed for not putting a Burqa over her.
As usual you are selectively outraged.
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As usual you are selectively outraged.
I always wonder why these non-muslim women marry Muslim men when the Muslim man asks her to convert.
Whenever there is conversion involved, it is not true love. It is only a trap. This goes for any woman who wants to convert to Islam or Hinduism or Christianity or Sikhism for the sake of marriage.
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Other notable Muslim philanthropists during the Mughal era and afterwards include:
Qutb-ud-din Aibak (1150–1210) was a prominent Turkic general and the first Sultan of the Delhi Sultanate, establishing the Mamluk Dynasty. Known for his generosity, he earned the title "Lakh Baksh" or "giver of lakhs," reflecting his philanthropic nature through substantial donations and public works, including the Qutb Minar
Mirza Muhammad Taqi: A prominent figure in the late Mughal period, he contributed to educational and religious institutions, supporting scholars and building madrasas.
Shah Jahan: The Mughal emperor himself was known for his philanthropic efforts, including the construction of significant architectural works like the Taj Mahal, which also served as a mausoleum for his wife, demonstrating his commitment to cultural and social causes.
Tipu Sultan: The ruler of Mysore, who established various charitable institutions and promoted welfare projects for his subjects
Haji Muhammad Mohsin (c. 1732–1812): A Bengali philanthropist known for establishing Hooghly Mohsin College and aiding famine victims during the Great Bengal Famine of 1770. He created a charitable trust, bequeathing his wealth for education and pensions
Sir Syed Ahmed Khan: Advocated for modern education and founded the Muhammadan Anglo-Oriental College, promoting educational reforms for Muslims.
Allama Iqbal: A philosopher and poet who inspired social and cultural revival among Muslims, emphasizing education and self-awareness.
Maulana Abul Kalam Azad: An educationist and freedom fighter, he worked to improve educational access and promote cultural identity.
Begum Roquiah Sakhawat Hossain: A pioneer in women's education and empowerment in Bengal, founding schools for girls.
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Further @uppercut unlike what you stated, Muslims do acknowledge and appreciate Hindu philanthropists and social workers unlike your government no government will change the name of Sir Ganga Ram or Gulab Devi Hospital in Pakistan. While the narrow-minded nature of Hindu right wing is hell bent to change the entire curriculum
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This is the first I have heard that Dan has converted to Islam, he was speaking as a Christian as far as I am aware. What you see or don't see about Jews shouting about rape or killing is not really relevant, you are one individual. I was just pointing out the fallacious statement you made that only Islamists use their holy book to justify the vile things they do.
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AFAIK, Dan started reading quran and supports muslim community. You have not provided me with any proofs yet. Provide me proofs forother communities justifing brutal killing and raping of innocent people and find its justification in their holy book. I am ready to include them in list of vile creatures.
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I haven't provided proof because you yourself said this was a thread about Hindutva and Islam so I don't want to go off in another direction. I can start a new thread about about Jewish extremists using their holy texts to justify vile acts if you like.
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If we show you in your books you will pretend they aren't your books
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He and @uppercut are real bigots that promote violence 24/7 and use random examples to solidify their warped theories.
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promote ? I think you do not like to do root cause analysis of any communal violence because invariably the instigators are Muslims. Prominent Examples are : Godhra, Babri.
Clearly you have no compunctions or inclination to address the root cause for Obvious reasons as intolerance comes Standard for most Muslims.... but you expect the Hindus to Obey and practice all rules and regulations and not reciprocate. So YOU and your types here are the real bigots who have no inclination to stop the original crimes.
For instance if muslims stop harming the cows then there wont be a need for the vigilantes.
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The one you are responding to take the cake no the entire bakery in that aspect.
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Guys please stick to the topic. Thanks
Have you voluntarily condemned any violence by Muslims? I mean right here in the last 24 hours I have chased you around to answer a simple question which you stubbornly refuse to answer and here you have the cheek to blame others ? Shameless much
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He may have some views too dislike but he consistently always condemn violence rather than doing whatabboutery like those two.
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I can show posts saying otherwise on him.
This is PERFECT EXAMPLE OF Promoting communal violence by Muslims and then demand and expect that there be no repercussions. Tell me something new.
Example: A large muslim mob torches a train and kills hindu pilgrims. Your expectation is entirely on hindu side you have no compunctions or expectations from the muslims
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I am amazed how can people even make this argument, so awful
here check this out : https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/thre...ance-era-of-india.315145/page-3#post-12308613
Who do you hold responsible for that event ?
According to DeadlyVenom it is Hindus !!
Go ahead lets see how you process that.
and I suppose that you are not amazed at people who blatantly refuse to acknowledge that Muslims are responsible for starting most of these communal violence in India ? For instance @sweep_shot here is doggedly refusing to answer a simple question that I have been asking for months now. But I suppose I am the extremist ? Kamaal ka logic hai ji !
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Yes Hindus responsible for it, don't you believe in your own courts? If so then why the Hindus took law in their hands with impunity
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Communal tension in the region worsened when the VHP received permission to perform a shilanyas (stone-laying ceremony) at the disputed site before the national election in November 1989. A senior Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) leader, L K Advani, started a rath yatra, embarking on a 10,000 km journey starting from the south and heading towards Ayodhya. On 6 December 1992, BJP, VHP and Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) leaders gathered at the site to offer prayers and perform a symbolic kar seva. At noon, a teenage Kar Sevak (volunteer) was "vaulted" on to the dome and that signalled the breaking of the outer cordon. Soon after, a large number of kar sevaks demolished the mosque.
Aftermath
Communal riots between Hindus and Muslims ensued across India immediately following demolition of the mosque. Rioting in the immediate aftermath resulted in the deaths of an estimated 2,000–3,000 people.[12][13][56] Six weeks of riots further erupted in Bombay, resulting in the deaths of an estimated 900 people.[57][58]
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Yes Hindus responsible for it, don't you believe in your own courts? If so then why the Hindus took law in their hands with impunity
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Communal tension in the region worsened when the VHP received permission to perform a shilanyas (stone-laying ceremony) at the disputed site before the national election in November 1989. A senior Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) leader, L K Advani, started a rath yatra, embarking on a 10,000 km journey starting from the south and heading towards Ayodhya. On 6 December 1992, BJP, VHP and Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) leaders gathered at the site to offer prayers and perform a symbolic kar seva. At noon, a teenage Kar Sevak (volunteer) was "vaulted" on to the dome and that signalled the breaking of the outer cordon. Soon after, a large number of kar sevaks demolished the mosque.
Aftermath
Communal riots between Hindus and Muslims ensued across India immediately following demolition of the mosque. Rioting in the immediate aftermath resulted in the deaths of an estimated 2,000–3,000 people.[12][13][56] Six weeks of riots further erupted in Bombay, resulting in the deaths of an estimated 900 people.[57][58]
Babri Masjid - Wikipedia
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So Hindus are responsible for asking to hand over the Mosque in a civilized manner ( they tried that for decades and Muslims bluntly refused when it is clear as day light that the Mosque stands on temple ) ?
This is your position ?
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Yes, this was a disputed issue not clear cut as you suggest. Muslims didn't agree with Hindus stance on Babri Mosque and in any civilized country the disputed issues are settled in court
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Haven't you guys inaugurated Ayodha temple in the same manner now after the verdict in your favor??
Sure but when you have temple pillars inside the Mosque starting at you in broad daylight the expectation is that people who are amenable to civilized means of dispute resolution voluntarily vacate that and use that to enhance and build community relationships. No ?
And I am not even talking about archaeological survey , historical documents and many other corroborating pieces of evidence that everyone knew even before the Mosque was destroyed. FFS the Mosque was known as "Janmasthan Mosque" for centuries.
And BTW the same EXACT story is playing out as we speak for the Gyanvapi Mosque.
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Give me one statement where I supported violence.
You and your fellow Islamists very casually missed the tweet posted here which mentions about hindu men but when you go to X and check the tweet it doesnt mention about Hindu men at all. There is no offical article or any news outlet reporting about it.
Where as my tweet was povided as an example which shows a police officer talking about a bloody murder by the follower of same religion of peace just because his own wife didnt wear a Burka and I am the one promoting violence and digotry.
The delisiouns are off the roof!!
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yes but there is another Mosque that has the same issue which is now in courts - The gyanvapi mosque.
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That's my point, if it was that obvious then why they resorted to hate and violence. That were your courts not of some enemy nation
Just wait and watch the Islamic Kangaroo court of PP levy more charges and proceed to convict you on all counts.
but they will doggedly refuse to answer pointed questions on the Godhra train burning, Babri Mosque, Gyanvapi Mosque etc etc etc
Well it WAS indeed that obvious. Furthermore EVEN after the matter went to the Highest Courts and they delivered a verdict the Muslim side STILL Doggedly claims ownership of that land and vows to rebuild the Mosque.
So now what ?
Also what is your take on the Gyanvapi Mosque issue? Here is the Photo of the Disputed "Mosque". Why is this still a dispute ? Why are the Muslims still pretending that this is a Mosque that wasnt built on a temple ?
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I am not aware of Gvanvapi mosque issue and on this Babri one you dodged my question. Are Indian HIGH COURTS dumb or they couldn't enforce their decision against Muslim and so BJP and RSS goons decided let's settle this on our own
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and I suppose that you are not amazed at people who blatantly refuse to acknowledge that Muslims are responsible for starting most of these communal violence in India ? For instance @sweep_shot here is doggedly refusing to answer a simple question that I have been asking for months now. But I suppose I am the extremist ? Kamaal ka logic hai ji !
Your question has been answered already. You can go back and read all the old posts.
Thats correct and this was because of political reasons. They were afraid of backlash and therefore kept delaying. But there was no doubt whatsoever that the Mosque stood on a destroyed temple.
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Indeed.
I have always condemned violence against innocent (whether it is done by Muslims or non-Muslims).
I don't resort to whataboutism like @JaDed and BJP posters do.
IT HAS NOT BEEN ANSWERED. And I showed you the evidence as well. If you still think that you answered my question then give me the post number. The very fact that you are hesitating to repeat the answer clearly suggests that you never had an answer to begin with. And its not like you make detailed long posts. All your posts are cryptic short sentences so if you know the answer just type it out.
So again I dare you to answer if you think you are on the correct side of this issue.
The Gyanvapi Mosque is exactly of the same type as the Babri Masjid issue. Extremely sacred hindu temple ( Not random temple BTW ) destoryed by Muslim invaders that current day Muslims refuse to give up.
And I posted the photo of that structure in my previous post. So what is your take on that dispute ( Purely based on the Photo ) ?
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Looks Mosque from front and on the back side appears some vestiges of another structure
The brownish pillars that you see in the pic are the remains of the ancient Hindu temple ... I will see if there is a clearer hi-res picture that you can zoom in. but there is no doubt whatsoever that it is a Hindu structure.
here try this :
Cricket cartoons had attached a image on this thread on 1st page:
[VIDEOS] Why anti Muslim bias is so profound among Hindutva supporters?
Muslims and Hindus have been living together for over a millennium in the sub continent. So principally their differences should have subsided over the years but ironically the situation has been worsening for quite some time especially in India. This phenomenon is quite unique in history as...
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Ok Hindus can reclaim that but will the government recompense the Muslims with a mosque nearby. I don't think these are big issues and seems to be politically motivated.
you wish !! I can guarantee you that the Muslim side will drag this on and on and never ever give up. So now you know who are the civilized and who are the uncivilized parties. This is the Absolute ROOT cause of the issue.
I will guarantee you that there will be a riot for this mosque as well. And then posters here on PP will conduct a Kangaroo court and declare all Hindutva supporters as bigots and intolerant extremists.
absolutely. They did that in the Ram Mandir issue but they still vow to re-build the mosque on the original site by bringing down the new temple !!.
They will never vacate these mosques own their own conscience and ethics. As I said there is no real civilized option available. If the Hindus feel the need for justice it almost always has to be thru vigilante groups using brute force. This is the only viable option.
Now the real question is: why are Muslims like this ? Blatant in-your-face intolerance thru-and-thru. EVERYWHERE EVERY ASPECT OF LIFE IN INDIA. Even the educated ones !!!
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Hindutva is drenched in victimhood.
5000 years and couldn't unite let alone influence, and now the chickens are coming home to roost.
5000 years and couldn't unite let alone influence, and now the chickens are coming home to roost.
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Every Hindutva cult member endorses violence, they just hide behind the anonymity of the internet and play the innocent card. Some of them play it from the West.
Whenever have you heard or seen a Hindutva cult member talk peace? Never. It's all about revenge. You did this, you did that, 200 years ago but I still want to live in your Islamic and British land.
I told you before and I will say it again, India will NEVER progress.
The world must unite against Saffron terrorism.
Whenever have you heard or seen a Hindutva cult member talk peace? Never. It's all about revenge. You did this, you did that, 200 years ago but I still want to live in your Islamic and British land.
I told you before and I will say it again, India will NEVER progress.
The world must unite against Saffron terrorism.
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This is the same UN that declares Israel is committing war crimes and declared Modi a terrorist, and declared India has no claim on Kashmir.
Remember folks, never has a Muslim, Christian, or a Jewish leader been banned from entering the West on terrorism charges - except for Modi the Hindutva leader - charged with religious terrorism with the massacre of innocent Muslims in Gujrat.
Saffron terrorism has existed for 1000s of years, but only thanks to the insecurity of Indians, we are getting insight into the true essence and motives of such a hideous ideology known as Hindutva, and its worldwide followers who through hate and vengeance are turning this world into a cesspit.
No thank you, Hindutva tried and failed for 5000 years, tried to expand but got its backside handed on a plate, women burned, innocent children dehumanised for being born in the wrong caste, attempting to normalise homosexuality, forced conversions, the list goes on.
Let these Hindutva cult member talk of terrorism, it is a new English word they have learned, only how to spell, far from understanding its meaning.
Terrorism has a new synonym though - Saffron.
Remember folks, never has a Muslim, Christian, or a Jewish leader been banned from entering the West on terrorism charges - except for Modi the Hindutva leader - charged with religious terrorism with the massacre of innocent Muslims in Gujrat.
Saffron terrorism has existed for 1000s of years, but only thanks to the insecurity of Indians, we are getting insight into the true essence and motives of such a hideous ideology known as Hindutva, and its worldwide followers who through hate and vengeance are turning this world into a cesspit.
No thank you, Hindutva tried and failed for 5000 years, tried to expand but got its backside handed on a plate, women burned, innocent children dehumanised for being born in the wrong caste, attempting to normalise homosexuality, forced conversions, the list goes on.
Let these Hindutva cult member talk of terrorism, it is a new English word they have learned, only how to spell, far from understanding its meaning.
Terrorism has a new synonym though - Saffron.
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This is an ultimate
A movie based on a chennai major who died in a terrorist attack was released and running successfully. So the peaceful youth thought its an insult as it shows their religion as extremists .After multiple protests they only tried to knock off the theatre by bombs
.80 percent of the town is occupied by u know whom.
These guys will resonate with anyone as long it's their ummah
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A movie based on a chennai major who died in a terrorist attack was released and running successfully. So the peaceful youth thought its an insult as it shows their religion as extremists .After multiple protests they only tried to knock off the theatre by bombs
.80 percent of the town is occupied by u know whom.These guys will resonate with anyone as long it's their ummah
Bomb Attack on Amaran Theater
Although the movie has acquired positive responses from the audience and critics, some people were opposed to the movie
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You are diluting your own argument by referring to the UN or any other outside organisation. As @Technics 1210 has rightfully pointed out, Modi was banned from those same western nations because they believed there was enough independent evidence he was complicit in mass slaughter of minorities in Gujarat 2001.
Your earlier posts where you refer to Muslims as a whole as terrorists and a massive problem for Hindus in India is more honest and that doesn't implicate Modi's own bloodthirsty legacy. Stick to that.
And in your bizarro world the same nations decision to quietly walk back that ban was however not grounded on facts I suppose?, so essentially you will cling to whatever floats your boat no matter how illogical ? Not surprising at all because you are capable of faaar worse than that. Go ahead you can do "better"
Here is a novel idea: The entire world is against the poor honest Muslims? That should cover for every possible scenario that could implicate them.
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They can yap like a goose all they want. Just like their former goose ... err, I mean their former PM yapped like a goose in UN about how 'poor and innocent' Muslims have nothing to do with terrorism. Anyone with a brain can see the truth.
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You are getting confused with Muslims and Islamists cap!!
The same western nations now welcomes Modi with open arms after his name is cleared. This makes your point moot.
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Only if you judge western govts as the ultimate in truth and morality. The reality is that they were not going to jeapordise their own trade interests to continue a ban on Modi once he had become PM of India. This is similar to keeping good relations with the ruler of Saudi Arabia despite their human rights abuses including chopping up journalists.
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It's not bias when there's sound reasoning behind it. Why is anti-muslim bias so profound at airports?
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Modi’s party told to take down campaign ad targeting Muslims
Opposition leaders criticise ad as ‘deplorably communal’ and betrayal of India’s secular principles
A campaign ad by prime minister Narendra Modi’s Hindu nationalist ruling party was taken down from social media after it drew backlash for promoting anti-Muslim sentiment.
The ad was released on Saturday as part of the BJP’s campaign in the eastern state of Jharkhand, which voted in the second phase of the regional election today, and showed Muslims taking over a Hindu family home in an apparent reference to “infiltration” from Bangladesh, invoked by the prime minister and his home minister Amit Shah.
In the ad, a Hindu man opens the door to see a crowd of seemingly poor men, women and children, dressed in skull caps and hijabs, entering his home. The Hindu woman of the house, wearing a mangalsutra and a bindi, covers her nose while looking concerned as the man screams, “They are ruining our home.”
One of the intruders, wearing a torn brown vest, tells the homeowners, “We have come because of the government you voted for,” in an apparent reference to the state’s ruling alliance of the Congress party and the Jharkhand Mukti Morcha. “So your home should be destroyed as well. Why only our slum,” he adds, as the ad accuses the state government of “minority appeasement”.
The ad was taken down after the Congress complained against the “misleading and divisive” video to the Election Commission of India, the constitutional authority responsible for administering elections in the country.
Denouncing the advertisement, Congress member Jairam Ramesh called it a blatant violation of the Model Code of Conduct.
“A complaint has just been lodged with the Election Commission on a most disgusting ad relating to Jharkhand,” he wrote on X. “It not only brazenly and blatantly violates the ECI’s Model Code of Conduct, it is also an act of serious criminality. We hope the ECI will act immediately and pursue this matter to its logical conclusion."
The ad also drew criticism beyond the Congress party.
Mehbooba Mufti, leader of a regional party in Jammu and Kashmir, called the ad “deplorably communal” and a betrayal of India’s secular principles.
In a statement on X, she said, “BJP’s advertisement campaign in Jharkhand assembly elections should make Kashmiri leadership turn in their graves who, despite Jammu and Kashmir being a Muslim-majority state, opted to join a secular democratic India.”
She labelled the ad “pure poison” and said it “contradicts the foundational ideals and secular fabric of the nation.”
The controversy comes amid a heated campaign during which Mr Modi’s party has consistently targeted the state’s coalition. Mr Modi earlier this month described the opposition alliance as an “infiltrators” alliance and “mafia’s slave”, alleging that it supported Bangladeshi infiltrators at the expense of Jharkhand’s tribal population.
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Opposition leaders criticise ad as ‘deplorably communal’ and betrayal of India’s secular principles
A campaign ad by prime minister Narendra Modi’s Hindu nationalist ruling party was taken down from social media after it drew backlash for promoting anti-Muslim sentiment.
The ad was released on Saturday as part of the BJP’s campaign in the eastern state of Jharkhand, which voted in the second phase of the regional election today, and showed Muslims taking over a Hindu family home in an apparent reference to “infiltration” from Bangladesh, invoked by the prime minister and his home minister Amit Shah.
In the ad, a Hindu man opens the door to see a crowd of seemingly poor men, women and children, dressed in skull caps and hijabs, entering his home. The Hindu woman of the house, wearing a mangalsutra and a bindi, covers her nose while looking concerned as the man screams, “They are ruining our home.”
One of the intruders, wearing a torn brown vest, tells the homeowners, “We have come because of the government you voted for,” in an apparent reference to the state’s ruling alliance of the Congress party and the Jharkhand Mukti Morcha. “So your home should be destroyed as well. Why only our slum,” he adds, as the ad accuses the state government of “minority appeasement”.
The ad was taken down after the Congress complained against the “misleading and divisive” video to the Election Commission of India, the constitutional authority responsible for administering elections in the country.
Denouncing the advertisement, Congress member Jairam Ramesh called it a blatant violation of the Model Code of Conduct.
“A complaint has just been lodged with the Election Commission on a most disgusting ad relating to Jharkhand,” he wrote on X. “It not only brazenly and blatantly violates the ECI’s Model Code of Conduct, it is also an act of serious criminality. We hope the ECI will act immediately and pursue this matter to its logical conclusion."
The ad also drew criticism beyond the Congress party.
Mehbooba Mufti, leader of a regional party in Jammu and Kashmir, called the ad “deplorably communal” and a betrayal of India’s secular principles.
In a statement on X, she said, “BJP’s advertisement campaign in Jharkhand assembly elections should make Kashmiri leadership turn in their graves who, despite Jammu and Kashmir being a Muslim-majority state, opted to join a secular democratic India.”
She labelled the ad “pure poison” and said it “contradicts the foundational ideals and secular fabric of the nation.”
The controversy comes amid a heated campaign during which Mr Modi’s party has consistently targeted the state’s coalition. Mr Modi earlier this month described the opposition alliance as an “infiltrators” alliance and “mafia’s slave”, alleging that it supported Bangladeshi infiltrators at the expense of Jharkhand’s tribal population.
Modi’s party told to take down campaign ad targeting Muslims
Opposition leaders criticise ad as ‘deplorably communal’ and betrayal of India’s secular principles
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Sound reasoning?...You can't explain it clearly
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I can bet that Hindus won't give up their bigotry until Muslim TOTALLY Submits these Mandirs etc are red herring. Your Courts, Your laws and Your people enforcing it under a highly Hindu far right government but still Muslims are "intolerant thru and thru".anyone want to answer that?
Tbf didn't get the quoted point
What do yoummean red herring? I just showed you the picture of that structure... where its clear that the mosque stands right on topof the destroyed temple.
My point is why is it even being vehemently litigated? Is it not clear from the pictures that it is standing On temple ruins?
Also why have Muslims Not accepted the Babri masjid verdict and have promised to reclaim that site ?
It means that they are intolerant in every which way ... be it temples be it any routine matter just always in conflict mode and in a brazen Blatant in-your-face manner.
Let me know if you need More examples of intolerance.
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Your answer contains sweeping generalization and that is enough to ascertain how good your argument is and please drop more examples that justify the Indian Hindus actions be it Delhi Riots, Muzzafarnagar riots or Malyana massacre.
And as I earlier said even they forfeit all contested mosques this won't end. And one thing if you will forcefully full snatch one thing rather than going to legal course then certainly it is bound to make people angry unless one has exhausted legal options.
Those sweeping generalizations are a direct result of CENTURIES upon CENTURIES of this Muslim nonsense. The list of unprovoked attrocities by Muslims is soo goddamn long and heinous that it makes the nazi's look like saints. How the Heck do you see this differently ?
Well if Muslims keep digging their heels on something that is sooo obviously visible to the naked eye then naturally violent conflict Is the inevitable outcome no ? Why are you expecting any other outcome with that sort of belligerent attitude/stance?
But yeah not surprised at all by your blatant stance where you are turning around and blaming the Hindus for the situation when the demolishing of the original temple was well documented by the Muslim rulers themselves and most importantly it is all visible in plain sight. Talk about "ulta chor kotwal ko daante ...."
Does it occur to you that the Babri Masjid court case went on for decades and there were many attempts ( all from Hindus ) to resolve the matter peacefully? Talk about muslims being utterly Shameless and intolerant. Just like the Gyanvapi mosque case ... the Babri mosque contained Pillars with hindu architecture in plain sight but that never made any difference to the Muslims. It did not stop them from claiming ownership of that structure.
So yeah these are the reasons why the Muslims are treated harshly. Now go ahead and tell me why you feel Muslims are the innocent victims that did no wrong. Present facts and not wild conspiracy theories fuelled by unreal victim mentality.
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yet another incident where these extremists hindutva people showed their true colors.
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After Opposition, BJP MP seeks more time for Parliamentary panel on Waqf bill
BJP MP Nishikant Dubey on Wednesday sought more time for the Joint Parliamentary Committee (JPC) on the Waqf amendment bill, days after Opposition MPs made the same demand.
The MP from Jharkhand's Godda constituency moved a resolution during a meeting of the Parliamentary panel on Wednesday.
The move came hours after Opposition MPs staged a walkout of the meeting, alleging that the proceedings had become a mockery.
Around an hour later, the agitating MPs returned to the meeting as there were indications that JPC Chairman Jagdambika Pal might seek an extension to the panel's term.
Opposition MPs have been seeking an extension of the JPC's tenure for the Waqf Amendment Bill. They argue that more time is required for stakeholders to present their cases, as the panel has only met 25 times.
Despite a draft report from Chairman Pal, Opposition MPs feel unprepared and have urged Lok Sabha Speaker Om Birla to extend the timeline.
Earlier on Wednesday, Congress MP Gaurav Gogoi, DMK's A Raja, Sanjay Singh of Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) and Trinamool Congress MP Kalyan Banerjee protested the conduct of the committee chairperson, alleging that he was keen to wrap up its proceedings by the November 29 deadline without completing due process.
"Lok Sabha Speaker Om Birla had indicated the committee might be given an extension, but it appeared that some "big minister" was directing the action of Pal," Gogoi claimed.
YSR Congress MP V Vijaysai Reddy said not all parties allied with the BJP wanted an extension, but Pal called for finishing its work so that the report could be tabled in the Lok Sabha on November 29.
Certain reports suggest that the panel's tenure may be pushed till the first week of the Budget Session next year and that a final decision would be taken by the Lok Sabha.
On August 8, the government introduced the Waqf (Amendment) Bill, 2024, in the Lok Sabha, saying that the law was aimed to streamline the Waqf Board's work and ensure the efficient management of Waqf properties.
It was immediately sent to a joint parliamentary committee after Opposition parties and Muslim organisations expressed concerns, claiming that the bill was a targeted measure against the community and an infringement on its constitutional rights.
After Opposition, BJP MP seeks more time for Parliamentary panel on Waqf bill
Opposition MPs have been seeking an extension of the JPC's tenure for the Waqf Amendment Bill. They argue that more time is required for stakeholders to present their cases, as the panel has only met 25 times.
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Pak fighting war on terror against wanted terrorist (as per USA) Osama
wanted terorist Osama “martyred” in Pak right next to army area.
Doesn’t sound super intelligent to me.
Having said that I agree ISI is a pretty strong intelligence agency.
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Yep no doubt, It was US's duplicitous nature not Osama, the actual threat for Pakistan.
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But who were the beneficiaries who got the money from USA and supported their duplicity ? Definitely not your favorite Modi or BJP?
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When you befriend a snake then you always remain cautious. Everybody knows how US spinned anti Muslim hatred on basis of twin tower attack.
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Sure they did, don’t disagree but why did Pakistan partner up with them? They took money, gave soldiers, air space and land space etc. I wouldn’t call it friendship looks more like a business deal. Shouldn’t that be your main focus?
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Can discuss this in detail but it's not the appropriate thread
@The Bald Eagle see my post from a few days ago
And exactly as predicted less than 2 weeks ago and as sure as the event of darkness following sunset, the outcome has unfolded with remarkable certainty( but for an even nondescript mosque in Sambhal )
Three dead, dozens injured in violent clash during Mosque survey in Uttar Pradesh
I wrote the post, don’t waste time summarizing it for me lol. Why do you run out of gas when countered? Yes maybe a guy got lynched, it is terrible. How many times have you discussed Ahmadi or other minority prosecution in Pak on PP, can you share, want to see your views. I mean were you moved...
ppforum.pakpassion.net
Who do you hold responsible for the lives lost ?
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Certainly the perpetrators who took the law in their hand.@The Bald Eagle see my post from a few days ago
And exactly as predicted less than 2 weeks ago and as sure as the event of darkness following sunset, the outcome has unfolded with remarkable certainty( but for an even nondescript mosque in Sambhal )
Three dead, dozens injured in violent clash during Mosque survey in Uttar Pradesh
I wrote the post, don’t waste time summarizing it for me lol. Why do you run out of gas when countered? Yes maybe a guy got lynched, it is terrible. How many times have you discussed Ahmadi or other minority prosecution in Pak on PP, can you share, want to see your views. I mean were you moved...
Who do you hold responsible for the lives lost ?
If you think otherwise which you certainly do, then please present your case with facts.
And you are saying that the perpetrators were Hindus and Muslims were the victims ?
There is more to it and I will come to that. First lets establish who were the perpetrators.
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Very concise editorial by Express Tribune, have a read
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The recent outbreak of violence in Sambhal city of Uttar Pradesh is yet another example of state-sponsored saffron terror In India. Hindutva extremists have besieged the Muslim-majority town, claiming that a notable local mosque, built in the 16th century, actually stands on the site of a Hindu temple.
Earlier this month, an extremist Hindu priest, short on evidence but big on bluster, filed a court case making the claim about the mosque. Despite India's notoriously slow court system, within days, the court had ordered the Archaeological Survey of India (ASI) to review the claim, and ASI conducted a survey within days. That survey was uneventful and was even facilitated by local Muslim community leaders. However, the ASI ordered another survey a few days later, which local Muslims found to be inexplicable and unnecessary. The second survey began on Nov 24 but was immediately confronted by protesters. Police admit to using batons and teargas to disperse the crowd, leading to several injuries. However, all six deceased men - some of whom were not even protesting - were shot with live ammunition, raising questions over who killed them. The police claim their personnel did not have live ammunition. Muslim leaders though blame the police. Meanwhile, the police have filed cases against several local Muslim leaders, including the Muslim parliamentarians, who just happen to be part of one of the ruling BJP's rivals.
BJP leaders at state and national level are accusing opposition parties of conspiring to create violence, while opposition parties have noted that Hindutva groups are the ones with a track record of using such violence to threaten and harass Muslims and other minorities. It is also worth noting that the ASI has been slammed by reputable historians for having turned into "the handmaiden of Hindutva" over recent years, drawing implausible conclusions from minute findings to support Hindutva fantasies popularised by Hindutva 'historians' who lack any formal education in the field.
UP mosque survey violence | The Express Tribune
Violence erupts in Sambhal, UP, as Hindutva extremists claim mosque stands on Hindu temple site.
Very concise editorial by Express Tribune, have a read
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The recent outbreak of violence in Sambhal city of Uttar Pradesh is yet another example of state-sponsored saffron terror In India. Hindutva extremists have besieged the Muslim-majority town, claiming that a notable local mosque, built in the 16th century, actually stands on the site of a Hindu temple.
Earlier this month, an extremist Hindu priest, short on evidence but big on bluster, filed a court case making the claim about the mosque. Despite India's notoriously slow court system, within days, the court had ordered the Archaeological Survey of India (ASI) to review the claim, and ASI conducted a survey within days. That survey was uneventful and was even facilitated by local Muslim community leaders. However, the ASI ordered another survey a few days later, which local Muslims found to be inexplicable and unnecessary. The second survey began on Nov 24 but was immediately confronted by protesters. Police admit to using batons and teargas to disperse the crowd, leading to several injuries. However, all six deceased men - some of whom were not even protesting - were shot with live ammunition, raising questions over who killed them. The police claim their personnel did not have live ammunition. Muslim leaders though blame the police. Meanwhile, the police have filed cases against several local Muslim leaders, including the Muslim parliamentarians, who just happen to be part of one of the ruling BJP's rivals.
BJP leaders at state and national level are accusing opposition parties of conspiring to create violence, while opposition parties have noted that Hindutva groups are the ones with a track record of using such violence to threaten and harass Muslims and other minorities. It is also worth noting that the ASI has been slammed by reputable historians for having turned into "the handmaiden of Hindutva" over recent years, drawing implausible conclusions from minute findings to support Hindutva fantasies popularised by Hindutva 'historians' who lack any formal education in the field.
UP mosque survey violence | The Express Tribune
Violence erupts in Sambhal, UP, as Hindutva extremists claim mosque stands on Hindu temple site.tribune.com.pk
Here is my summary of that article:
1. Hindus approached court to decide on a disputed Mosque which they claim was built on a temple.
2. Court ordered a Archeological Survey ( This is because there is simply no shortage of Temples that were destroyed and it is common knowledge )
3. Court conducted initial survey on the 19th.
4. Court wanted another survey on the 24th
5. Muslims thought that was excessive and rioted leading to loss of lives.
So who do you hold responsible for the loss of lives ? Hindus or Muslims ?
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@uppercut sometimes you appear like Machiavelli, do you even understand what you are writing. Muslims get hit by live bullets and do you think Muslims themselves responsible for it.
Ofcourse the guys who fired at protesters are responsible for it ie most probably right wing hindu extremists. If one go by your logic that protesting itself is an invitation for massacring then why so much hue and cry on Jalianwala Bagh tragedy to this day???
But the police have denied that charge. But lets say the police were responsible for the deaths are you saying the police fired on harmless unarmed and peaceful protestors ?
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Yes, because so far there are no evidence available of any situation otherwise. If you have then please enlighten us
Post mortem report:
Sambhal Violence: ‘Autopsy suggests bullets fired from country-made pistols’ | Bareilly News - Times of India
Five people died from close-range gunshot wounds, likely from country-made pistols, during clashes in Sambhal, India, following a court-ordered mosque
timesofindia.indiatimes.com
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I literally watched it till end, it could be seen that protestors were only pelting stones and in retaliation they got Killed by live fire. Such things only happen in 3rd world countries.
Just tell me if pelting stones justifies live bullets. Then how should Kashmiris and Palestinians would have responded to one bombing and ethnically cleansing their population. Not encouraging but if we go by above Republic TV video and your premise ; the one being brutalized should use AK47 against their enemies.
In civilized nations, the pelters are responded by tear gas, water cannons or at best with rubber bullets but in above video NO ONE has been shown firing ammunition
Thats why I also posted the link to article that reports on the findings of the post mortem report which clearly says that the casualties were due to bullets fired by country made pistols. See post # 2377
Here it is again:
Sambhal Violence: ‘Autopsy suggests bullets fired from country-made pistols’ | Bareilly News - Times of India
Five people died from close-range gunshot wounds, likely from country-made pistols, during clashes in Sambhal, India, following a court-ordered mosque
timesofindia.indiatimes.com
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It's a version of the same party who is considered to be one of the perpetrators
Thats why I also posted the link to article that reports on the findings of the post mortem report which clearly says that the casualties were due to bullets fired by country made pistols. See post # 2377
Here it is again:
Sambhal Violence: ‘Autopsy suggests bullets fired from country-made pistols’ | Bareilly News - Times of India
Five people died from close-range gunshot wounds, likely from country-made pistols, during clashes in Sambhal, India, following a court-ordered mosque
What will you accept as authentic and unbiased ?
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