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The Perception of V Kohli on this Forum

Forgive me for asking, but this is the way I'm seeing it:

1. Virat Kohli is a damn good ODI bat for sure. On sub-continental wickets, he absolutely beasts it and he's also scored runs in England, Australia, West Indies and South Africa too.

2. All said and done though, he didn't do much in India's CWC 2011 win last year off the top of my head. Not that he was too shabby either, before India fans jump down my throat.

3. At test level, the kid is yet to establish himself. He did score a ton on what was an absolute road in Adelaide, but got some tough runs in another losing cause at the WACA. On the down side, he has failed in three tests in the West Indies - and has only managed to score runs against the Windies and us at home. No biggie. His average after all of that is kissing 40 - nothing exceptional yet.

4. I can't recall any T20 exploits, since I don't follow the format a lot, but I would hazard a guess that he hasn't got the crowd braying for more in any of the 3 World T20s.

5. But every other post I read on this forum places Kohli on a pedestal that - I'm sorry to say - is disproportionate to his achievements as of today. Just in another thread posted today there is a comparison of N Jamshed to Kohli and the OP is shot down by another Pakistani fan saying that - "Leave him alone, he still has some way to go before being compared to legends like Hayden/Kohli/Anwar". What?

6. Would fans rave about Darren Bravo or even Jesse Ryder this much? They have similar test stats but their progression has largely gone unnoticed among most fans. And let's face it - tests are the only format that matter, anyway.

Once again - I'm not trying to take anybody down, just curious. What has Kohli done that I've missed, aside from some token ODI knocks?
 
Who cares if he parties! Fame and form has no correlation. He deserves all the parties he wants!
 
@tgk:
I doubt it, Seems to be a very hardworking individual from what I hear. As long as he can balance his life with parties, etc, shouldn't be a problem.
 
have u guys seen how much he thinks abth is game .. works har to keep himself fit ..works hard to improve even tiny things
in first innings he said he left the ball cos he w didnt watch hand of bowler (it was scrambled seam ) and tht he was disappointed

sorry but at this level.. in tests u dont get purple patches..u dont just improve so suddenly
 
Marshland said:
Forgive me for asking, but this is the way I'm seeing it:

1. Virat Kohli is a damn good ODI bat for sure. On sub-continental wickets, he absolutely beasts it and he's also scored runs in England, Australia, West Indies and South Africa too.

2. All said and done though, he didn't do much in India's CWC 2011 win last year off the top of my head. Not that he was too shabby either, before India fans jump down my throat.

3. At test level, the kid is yet to establish himself. He did score a ton on what was an absolute road in Adelaide, but got some tough runs in another losing cause at the WACA. On the down side, he has failed in three tests in the West Indies - and has only managed to score runs against the Windies and us at home. No biggie. His average after all of that is kissing 40 - nothing exceptional yet.

4. I can't recall any T20 exploits, since I don't follow the format a lot, but I would hazard a guess that he hasn't got the crowd braying for more in any of the 3 World T20s.

5. But every other post I read on this forum places Kohli on a pedestal that - I'm sorry to say - is disproportionate to his achievements as of today. Just in another thread posted today there is a comparison of N Jamshed to Kohli and the OP is shot down by another Pakistani fan saying that - "Leave him alone, he still has some way to go before being compared to legends like Hayden/Kohli/Anwar". What?

6. Would fans rave about Darren Bravo or even Jesse Ryder this much? They have similar test stats but their progression has largely gone unnoticed among most fans. And let's face it - tests are the only format that matter, anyway.

Once again - I'm not trying to take anybody down, just curious. What has Kohli done that I've missed, aside from some token ODI knocks?
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PP has tendency to hype players. Of course Kohli is no where near the word L, but since that world cup, he has been in unstoppable form. Starting with his Perth knock, when other batsman were not doing much, His knocks against SL at Hobart then 183 against Pak. then knocks against SL in SL, and now he is highest scorer of this recent test series.

Nothing special yes. but for barely 24 years old, it kind of is! Because whenever young batsman promise like this, and mind you, let me be picky with word 'promise' ... he has literally shifted the momentum for team and put them in winning position kind of knocks. What that tells us that he has immense temperament, means even if he goes out of form at some point, his temperament will make sure that he will still remain imp. batsman for India.

If he was 5 more years older or as age of Hussey, hype would have been lesser. AND no Jesse Ryder or Darren Bravo hasn't played knocks the way Kohli has played! Ergo the hype.
 
Marshland said:
Forgive me for asking, but this is the way I'm seeing it:

1. Virat Kohli is a damn good ODI bat for sure. On sub-continental wickets, he absolutely beasts it and he's also scored runs in England, Australia, West Indies and South Africa too.

2. All said and done though, he didn't do much in India's CWC 2011 win last year off the top of my head. Not that he was too shabby either, before India fans jump down my throat.

3. At test level, the kid is yet to establish himself. He did score a ton on what was an absolute road in Adelaide, but got some tough runs in another losing cause at the WACA. On the down side, he has failed in three tests in the West Indies - and has only managed to score runs against the Windies and us at home. No biggie. His average after all of that is kissing 40 - nothing exceptional yet.

4. I can't recall any T20 exploits, since I don't follow the format a lot, but I would hazard a guess that he hasn't got the crowd braying for more in any of the 3 World T20s.

5. But every other post I read on this forum places Kohli on a pedestal that - I'm sorry to say - is disproportionate to his achievements as of today. Just in another thread posted today there is a comparison of N Jamshed to Kohli and the OP is shot down by another Pakistani fan saying that - "Leave him alone, he still has some way to go before being compared to legends like Hayden/Kohli/Anwar". What?

6. Would fans rave about Darren Bravo or even Jesse Ryder this much? They have similar test stats but their progression has largely gone unnoticed among most fans. And let's face it - tests are the only format that matter, anyway.

Once again - I'm not trying to take anybody down, just curious. What has Kohli done that I've missed, aside from some token ODI knocks?
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Very well constructed argument, Marsh.

IMHO, it is more to do with possible Sub-Continental culture of player(Individual) worshiping/over hyping by the fans (not just in cricket/sports but in almost all walks of life).
 
its not fair to ignore Kohli's ODI knocks by saying only tests matter.
 
avidlearner said:
Very well constructed argument, Marsh.

IMHO, it is more to do with possible Sub-Continental culture of player(Individual) worshiping/over hyping by the fans (not just in cricket/sports but in almost all walks of life).
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Disagree, youngsters from every countries are hyped as much other countries. Expression might be less exaggerated but analyst from all countries hype talented youngsters as much as subcontinental people do. ie. Kane Williamson hasn't done anything super terrific stuff, but he is expected to lead NZ scoring charts in future by their fans, analyst and their thinking team as well. And let's not talk about how english players are hyped in their media, it's usually way over the top for anyone's liking.
 
Marshland said:
6. Would fans rave about Darren Bravo or even Jesse Ryder this much? They have similar test stats but their progression has largely gone unnoticed among most fans. And let's face it - tests are the only format that matter, anyway.

Once again - I'm not trying to take anybody down, just curious. What has Kohli done that I've missed, aside from some token ODI knocks?
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The bolded part is the answer to your question.

You keep shoving down those type of statements is not going to change perceptions of Pakistani and Indian fans.

And regarding Darren Bravo, well, I don't recall a bigger hyped player in recent years then Bravo, who was ridiculously labeled the next Brian Lara.
 
cricketworm said:
Disagree, youngsters from every countries are hyped as much other countries. Expression might be less exaggerated but analyst from all countries hype talented youngsters as much as subcontinental people do. ie. Kane Williamson hasn't done anything super terrific stuff, but he is expected to lead NZ scoring charts in future by their fans, analyst and their thinking team as well. And let's not talk about how english players are hyped in their media, it's usually way over the top for anyone's liking.
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I am not denying your argument at all. In fact I too have very same view on hyping up young talent across the continents but I still feel that Sub-Continental fans are bit more passionate than others when it comes to hyping up the new/emerging talents. (Remember we are talking about common fans not overhyping columnists in media like they do in English press)
 
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avidlearner said:
I am not denying your argument at all. In fact I too have very same view on hyping up young talent across the continents but I still feel that Sub-Continental fans are bit more passionate than others when it comes to hyping up the new/emerging talents. (Remember we are talking about common fans not columnists in media like they do in English press)
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And I don't see that as a problem at all. Sports thrive on fanbois and gals! Game is healthier with fanbois and cricket's fanboism is nothing compare to wealthier sports. (may be, one of the main reason why they are wealthier).
 
He is doing his job brilliantly....:14:

Well Done Kohli...:14: And All the best for future ...:)

keep on producing these match winning performances(across the Format)

Shabash...:D
 
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Kudos to the kid, he has taken his ODI form and confidence into the Test arena and is starting to make a real impact in Test cricket.
 
the kid is special. he has improved with time and become something
 
The second inning 50 as even more crucial, well done Virat for showing maturity. :)
 
Wins ICC ODI cricketer of the year award. :) Well done Virat.
 
Amla was quite close, would like to see a comparison for the time period taken into account.
 
One of many more to come I hope.

Feel sad for Amla though he'll always fall short of these awards despite playing so well because SA don't play a lot of games every year.
 
Kohli winning the award will gives hopes to many ordnary players who can bully one team away from home and claim to be great ODI player..... What a farce :facepalm:
 
Eye_Done said:
Kohli winning the award will gives hopes to many ordnary players who can bully one team away from home and claim to be great ODI player..... What a farce :facepalm:
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Quite sure most teams would gladly have such a player.
 
Kohli had an amazing year but you can't help to think that Amla deserved an award, if not ODI player then Test player of the year.
 
dblock said:
Kohli had an amazing year but you can't help to think that Amla deserved an award, if not ODI player then Test player of the year.
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Sure, but Kohli definitely deserved the ODI one. Hats off to a great player
 
The only deserving winner of one of the big awards. Congrats to him and his nation!
 
I hope he gets unrelenting loose motions when we visit India in December..

Otherwise it doesn't look too good for us..
 
Think it should've been Amla for Tests. Agree fully with Kohli for ODI's, great player as much as I hate to admit it.
 
Eye_Done said:
Kohli winning the award will gives hopes to many ordnary players who can bully one team away from home and claim to be great ODI player..... What a farce :facepalm:
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which team are you talking about?
he already has hundreds against all but one test playing nation in ODIs.
 
jusarrived said:
Virats 183* was the best ever ODI innings , the only other innings which comes close is Dhonis 183 against SL and Virats innings against Pak in Asia cup & Gibbs 175 against Aus.


AB's two innings where batting first , a lot of batsmen have played such innings bating first .
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So.....three of the four all time ODI innings were played by Indians?

Including a knock in the Asia Cup. I put it to you, sir, that you might be a tad biased.

Bevan v World XI? Ponting in a WC final? Gilly in a WC final? All>>>>>those knocks you quoted. And thats only picking from Australians.....
 
Random Aussie said:
So.....three of the four all time ODI innings were played by Indians?

Including a knock in the Asia Cup. I put it to you, sir, that you might be a tad biased.

Bevan v World XI? Ponting in a WC final? Gilly in a WC final? All>>>>>those knocks you quoted. And thats only picking from Australians.....
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It was the Asia XI :yk, great knock.
 
Kbtbb

this thread i made because i had commented on a post that if kohli stats are so great why is he averaging only 41 in test ........people started to attack me from all sides saying im a member of the umar akmal is talunted defense soceity....therefore all this kohli loving by members has got me to call them.. K.B.T.B.B which stands for the kohli better than bradman brigade...some members really think he will be :yk
 
im new thats why .....people on here have been attacking me for asking why kohli only averages 41 they seem to think he is better than bradman :D
 
Let me reply to your post in a detailed manner:

Kohli has played only 10 tests and averages 41.

Here are the stats of some players after 10 tests:

Player A - 41.87
Player B - 22.66
Player C - 23.94

Obviously Players A,B and C are poor. I mean, look at the averages.

Player A - Ponting
Player B - Kallis
Player C - Amla :yk

Kohli averages 41 due to lack of opportunity not lack of ability. He will avg 50+ by April 2013.

P.S.: Umar Akmal will never come good as his fans like to believe. He is a decent batsman and is performing decently and he will perform decently for the rest of his career. He is no future ATG who will become one of the world's best batsmen. His debut ton and early exploits had raised expectations too much which is unfair on Umar.
 
Death Magnetic said:
Let me reply to your post in a detailed manner:

Kohli has played only 10 tests and averages 41.

Here are the stats of some players after 10 tests:

Player A - 41.87
Player B - 22.66
Player C - 23.94

Obviously Players A,B and C are poor. I mean, look at the averages.

Player A - Ponting
Player B - Kallis
Player C - Amla :yk

Kohli averages 41 due to lack of opportunity not lack of ability. He will avg 50+ by April 2013.

P.S.: Umar Akmal will never come good as his fans like to believe. He is a decent batsman and is performing decently and he will perform decently for the rest of his career. He is no future ATG who will become one of the world's best batsmen. His debut ton and early exploits had raised expectations too much which is unfair on Umar.
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excellento can wait when he averages 99.99 by 2015
 
Curly786 said:
playing on extremely flat wickets in india .....how much is amla averaging there remind me :akhtar
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Amla is a great player. So Amla averaging well in India doesn't make Indian wickets flat.

If bad batsmen like Flopmal averaged good numbers in India then it would mean Indian wickets are flat. But Flopmal has flopped in India too.

Also if Indian wickets are flat, isn't Ashwin the world's best spinner as he averages 26 bowling on flat wickets in India?

Or do the pitches become dustbowls when he bowls and flat when he bats. :yk
 
Death Magnetic said:
Amla is a great player. So Amla averaging well in India doesn't make Indian wickets flat.

If bad batsmen like Flopmal averaged good numbers in India then it would mean Indian wickets are flat. But Flopmal has flopped in India too.

Also if Indian wickets are flat, isn't Ashwin the world's best spinner as he averages 26 bowling on flat wickets in India?

Or do the pitches become dustbowls when he bowls and flat when he bats. :yk
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:rana:malik:afridi killing himself with his own comments
 
Sorry Curly bhai, can't have too many Kohli threads. :)

But yeah, i don't believe the hype too much as long as it doesn't result in us completely avenging our 0-8 humiliation. :moyo
 
Curly786 said:
:rana:malik:afridi killing himself with his own comments
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So what do you agree with:

1) Ashwin is a better bowler than Ajmal as he has better stats bowling on flat Indian pitches and pace-friendly Australian pitches, which don't assist spinners.

OR

2) Ashwin is a better batsman than Flopmal as he has better stats batting on spin-friendly Indian pitches and pace-friendly Australian pitches, which isn't easy for batsmen.

I go with 2).

Ashwin is a better batsman than Flopmal.

No of centuries by Ashwin = 1
No of centuries by Flopmal = 1

Since Flopmal's century came in a losing cause and Ashwin's in a drawn match, Ashwin's century is better.

Ashwin. What a batsman! Better than 'tailunted' Umar Flopmal.
 
lol.. in IPLs watever team f_c use to support , they tend to lose badly :))
 
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Been a while Since India had a such a passionate cricketer....who takes his game and winning so seriously!! Felt sad looking at him almost crying....

India is proud to have him and I hope he keeps getting better...
 
navroks123 said:
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Been a while Since India had a such a passionate cricketer....who takes his game and winning so seriously!! Felt sad looking at him almost crying....

India is proud to have him and I hope he keeps getting better...
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:yk
 
Yup felt bad for him, Pakistan youngster can take him as role model and learn how he has channeled his energies into building himself a world class batsmen that he is. I have not seen any Youngster who has climbed the ladder as he has could have gone astray as many talented Pakistan batsmen goes not able to handle their energy and aggression in the right channel.
 
There is no doubt that Kohli is the best thing to have happened to India after MS Dhoni.
 
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