Virat Kohli - The Mega Discussion

[speedy]

Kohli is already better than tendulkar because his only goal is to win matches for India and Tendulkars only goal when he was 23 was to earn money . He said that and I can swear that .

 

[Zamee]

"Its stupid. I mean, How can people actually say Australia and Pakistan played tricks so India could not qualify? Pakistan played very well yesterday and they beat Australia fairly. We could not defend 120 against South Africa as our bowling was poor." - Virat Kohli.

 

[dani2k]

"Its stupid. I mean, How can people actually say Australia and Pakistan played tricks so India could not qualify? Pakistan played very well yesterday and they beat Australia fairly. We could not defend 120 against South Africa as our bowling was poor." - Virat Kohli.

This kid is class not just on the field. Double thumbs up

 

[Zamee]

This kid is class not just on the field. Double thumbs up

No doubt about it.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Kohli is already better than tendulkar because his only goal is to win matches for India and Tendulkars only goal when he was 23 was to earn money . He said that and I can swear that .

You are so ignorant that it is embarrassing. Tendulkar at 23 (i.e. during 1996) was a freak of a batsman. Not many in 100+ years of Cricket history have managed to reach the same level, he was untouchable.

 

[amlafan79]

For India's sake I hope Kohli is not another Sachin...a grade-A selfish loser who plays high percentage cricket for his average and milestones...there is no flair, flamboyance or desire to play spectacularly on the part of Sachin when it came to Test cricket...and India's record over the years has adequately shown this fact...

whts the strike rate of akmal and tendulkar?
also add in inzi if possible

 

[speedy]

You are so ignorant that it is embarrassing. Tendulkar at 23 (i.e. during 1996) was a freak of a batsman. Not many in 100+ years of Cricket history have managed to reach the same level, he was untouchable.

I was not talking about class or talent but the mindset and priority. Tendulkar priority was to earn money whereas Virats priority is to win matches for India. Kohli has already beaten Pakistan single handedly than Sachin was able to do in the entire 20 years he batted.

 

[Sandeep]

Turning out to be a Kohli vs Sachin thread!! Kids who haven't seen Sachin, believe me, he was fan-tas-tic! Kohli is good but Sachin was better, even Kohli would acknowledge that

 

[Bhaijaan]

I was not talking about class or talent but the mindset and priority. Tendulkar priority was to earn money whereas Virats priority is to win matches for India. Kohli has already beaten Pakistan single handedly than Sachin was able to do in the entire 20 years he batted.

I was also only talking about mentality. Tendulkar has played far better innings against far better bowlers in his career, it doesn't hurt him if you don't remember those efforts.

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Just a few clips for you to know more about your own player. Young Tendulkar even won a game for us as a bowler. Hero Cup final against South Africa in early 90s, not something many Indians fans can forget.

 

[speedy]

I was also only talking about mentality. Tendulkar has played far better innings against far better bowlers in his career, it doesn't hurt him if you don't remember those efforts.

Thats what hurts me the most. All those innings and how many of those actually helped India win???

 

[Sandeep]

I was also only talking about mentality. Tendulkar has played far better innings against far better bowlers in his career, it doesn't hurt him if you don't remember those efforts.

Kohli hasn't been tested here... that has to do with the overall quality of pace bowling around the World too!

 

[Bhaijaan]

Thats what hurts me the most. All those innings and how many of those actually helped India win???

Most of them. Nobody has collectively contributed more to our world cups wins over Pakistan than Sachin, are you for real? Post after post you are showing your ignorance regarding Indian Cricket.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Kohli hasn't been tested here... that has to do with the overall quality of pace bowling around the World too!

I think Kohli has exceeding the expectations as well, in fact at least his ODI record so far has been better than Tendulkar's after the same number of games. Mallinga, Steyn, Ajmal are modern greats and no less than Wasim, McGrath or Warne for at least the current generation. So i am not downplaying Kohli's achievements here but it's hilarious to see newly Cricket fans taking cheap shots at Sachin when they don't know much. Tendulkar has been top quality since 16 and has done far greater things in his career. A fact.

 

[speedy]

Most of them. Nobody has collectively contributed more to our world cups wins over Pakistan than Sachin, are you for real? Post after post you are showing your ignorance regarding Indian Cricket.

I just remember 2003 world cup where he gave a decent contribution

 

[Bhaijaan]

I just remember 2003 world cup where he gave a decent contribution

'Decent' ?

That is very generous of you mate.

 

[IgnitedMind]

I just remember 2003 world cup where he gave a decent contribution

Dude....how old are you? You only remember 2003? LOL !!!

 

[speed]

I think in odi he can match sachin or better him due to flatter tracks getting flatter by the day(in all countries), but in test I doubt he will get close to 51 tons or average of 40+ in all countries.

 

[Poison]

Kohli is the most complete batsman in the world currently. He hasn't ever looked like getting out besides 2 balls v Cummins. Cummins v Kohli may eventually be a battle of the ages, similar to McGrath v Tendy.

 

[Sandeep]

Kohli is the most complete batsman in the world currently. He hasn't ever looked like getting out besides 2 balls v Cummins. Cummins v Kohli may eventually be a battle of the ages, similar to McGrath v Tendy.

hopefully! But McGrath, Sachin are in the league of their own..

 

[Poison]

His form is scary, and he looks technically sound. I'm so worried that I'd cheer if he got an injury

 

[spaceshot]

Some posters saying Kohli has the class of Tendu.. In your dreams.

Kohli's scoring been very good .. but he is doesnt have the technique like Sachin's.

I sure do hope he wins more matches and outperforms all contemporaries.

Also has only lost 40 international matches which means losing another 220 is going to be tough work.

Making a comment of Sachin loosing matches (alone) .. as if other 10 were there just to fill the seats.
Dumb comment.

 

[Lethalweapon]

I just remember 2003 world cup where he gave a decent contribution

Tendulkar of the 90s was NOT selfish. He used to pull and hook bowlers. WAS the major contributor in the matches India did win vs Pak , you are a kid and are only relying on his 100s. ONLY INDIAN TO CONSISTENTLY AVG.40+ VS AUS IN ODIS.
Tell me how many Indians have done well against the Aussies in these 22 years other than him in ODIs? not even VVS is close.
Let him retire now, this Tendulakar hating Indians will be crying when Hilfy runs through India in Feb-Mar. (Hilfy has NEVER dismissed SRT in tests, only one in the top 7 to have NOT struggled against the bowler)

 

[Buffet]

Most of them. Nobody has collectively contributed more to our world cups wins over Pakistan than Sachin, are you for real? Post after post you are showing your ignorance regarding Indian Cricket.

He might not be even an Indian fan. I have seen few posters putting Indian Flag who are not an Indian fan.

 

[Lethalweapon]

Some posters saying Kohli has the class of Tendu.. In your dreams.

Kohli's scoring been very good .. but he is doesnt have the technique like Sachin's.

I sure do hope he wins more matches and outperforms all contemporaries.




Making a comment of Sachin loosing matches (alone) .. as if other 10 were there just to fill the seats.
Dumb comment.

yes, they were in the 90s many times. I'm sure Indianwillow and Velu will produce the 'misleading' stats but those who have seen the Indian team in 90s will know what SRT's failures meant for the team.
after 2000, SRT not getting a '100' was a failure , no matter how many 50s he got.

 

[spaceshot]

^^RA seems to have been influenced by haters it seems. Cant help it if he is that gullible and cant see the woods for the trees.

Anyways, People keep calling him selfish and playing for money.. well he himself stayed away from t20s. He never went for scoring for 300 in tests. Doesnt goes about advertising about his charity foundation, and neither does give statements/replies in the media for the salvos fired against him.


His current picking and choosing matches is questionable of late, but other than that.. he has been every bit a class player.

 

[Lethalweapon]

^^RA seems to have been influenced by haters it seems. Cant help it if he is that gullible and cant see the woods for the trees.

Anyways, People keep calling him selfish and playing for money.. well he himself stayed away from t20s. He never went for scoring for 300 in tests. Doesnt goes about advertising about his charity foundation, and neither does give statements/replies in the media for the salvos fired against him.


His current picking and choosing matches is questionable of late, but other than that.. he has been every bit a class player.

This, how many ppers know that?

I have ZERO hopes for that Aussie tour in Feb-Mar, it is only 'home advantage' which gives me any hope.
I know how 'pathetic' Dravid was in 2004 and the SL tour in 2001 in SRT's absence. it was Dravid's peak , like his fans say.
Don't need a 'Mcgrath' to get this team as Southee proved.
p.s. I am assuming SRT won't play but his presence will make things better only relatively. Don't trust India against Aus in any match. All thanks to the 'WALL'.

 

[Bhaijaan]

The post 2000 fans are really annoying to be honest. The ignorance is quite offensive. The reason why a lot of Indians are extremely biased over Tendu is because they remember the days when Tendulkar = Indian team.

 

[dani2k]

^^ Absolutely. This man changed the face of Indian cricket single handedly. Huge Respect and gratitude to him for the same.

Virat Kohli was spot on about Sachin carrying the team for 22 years.

 

[Random Aussie]

^^RA seems to have been influenced by haters it seems. Cant help it if he is that gullible and cant see the woods for the trees.

Get a clue man - I highly doubt you know the history behind my sig.

 

[test_fan]

The post 2000 fans are really annoying to be honest. The ignorance is quite offensive.

I find that not just in cricket but in other sports as well.

 

[Chromeuser]

Class article on Virat Kohli by Rob Smyth

Why Virat Kohli should be the next superstar of world cricket

India's batting prince has had such an amazing year that it no longer feels appropriate to say he is in a purple patch

Sometimes it takes a man to fail for us to realise how good he is. When India's Virat Kohli was dismissed for two against South Africa on Tuesday, it prompted a confused rubbing of the eyes. Kohli had failed? In a big game? It simply did not compute.

Kohli has achieved a staggering level of consistency over the past year. This was only his third single-figure score in 34 innings for India this year, most of which have been in the shorter, risk-demanding forms of the game. At first it was a purple patch; then an annus mirabilis. Increasingly, however, it seems there is nothing temporary about this form; maybe this is simply the level Kohli is at now. He is developing an aura.

At the age of 23 he has 13 ODI hundreds, more than anyone else in history at the same age, more than any Englishman at any age. He has brought a Test-match consistency to Twenty20, in which he averages 39 for India. And after a slowish start to his Test career – he was omitted in England in 2011 – a breakthrough hundred at Adelaide last winter was followed by a century against New Zealand at Bangalore. In 2012 he averages 63 in Tests, 73 in ODIs and 47 in T20 internationals. Last month he became the youngest man to win one of the major ICC awards when he was named ODI Player of the Year.

Quite right too. Kohli's ODI form has been stunning, including a run of five centuries in eight games. Two of those stand out. The first was a spellbinding 133 not out from 86 balls against Sri Lanka in February. India needed to chase 321 in 40 overs to stay in the CB Series; Kohli got them home in 36.4 overs. Three weeks later he made a monumental 183 against Pakistan in the Asia Cup, enabling India to chase down a target of 330.

Kohli is the premier batsman in India's limited-overs teams, batting at No3 in both ODIs and T20 internationals. It would be hard to leave him out of a World XI in either form of the game. The same is not yet true of Test cricket. Kohli has only played 10 matches, and has been sensibly eased in at No5 or No6, but seems ready for his big breakthrough. At the end of next month's four-Test series, England may be sick of the sight of him.

"He is a great player and we have always known that," said Gary Kirsten, formerly his coach with India, earlier in the week. "He is probably one of the stand-out batsmen in the world at the moment. He is one of those X-factor cricketers that other teams want to get out, because he is not going to get out himself."

Kohli bats with intimidating authority and seems stimulated rather than cowed by pressure. There is also a remorseless ambition to his batting; as with Kevin Pietersen, a brash exterior sometimes obscures an unimpeachable work ethic. "His work ethic is brilliant, his focus is immense," says Yuvraj Singh. "Since the time he has joined the Indian team, I saw his work ethic and wished and wondered why I didn't have that work ethic when I was his age."

The alliance of that focus and a divine natural talent makes Kohli quite the package. He could – should – be the next superstar of world cricket. While modern cricket has a number of young box-office stars, most focus on the shorter form of the game. Kohli, by contrast, still believes in the primacy of Test cricket. "People asked me which hundred is most special to you and I said the hundred in Adelaide against Australia. I didn't have that feeling ever in my life, before or after – and I felt it today again," he said after making his second Test hundred. "I think that is the most satisfying, when you're being tested and your patience is being tested, your technique is tested and you manage to score a hundred – it always pleases a batsman."

There is no logical reason why Kohli should not score 10,000 Test runs. He is certainly tough enough. He was aged 18 when, in 2006, his father died at 2am. The same day he made a vital 90 to help Delhi avoid the follow-on and then went straight to his father's funeral. "Virat changed a bit after that day," said his mother. "Overnight he became a much more mature person. He took every match seriously. He hated being on the bench. It's as if his life hinged totally on cricket after that day. Now, he looked like he was chasing his father's dream which was his own too."

And nobody was going to get in his way, certainly not any punkass, loudmouth opponents. Any sledging is usually returned with interest, and he came through a seriously challenging tour of Australia last winter with a gold star – and, even better, high praise from Richie Benaud. India lost the Test series 4-0, but Kohli made their only century of the series and top-scored in both innings when they were duffed up at Perth. Hardship begets hardness; that tour may have done for Kohli what a similar thrashing there did for Viv Richards in 1975-76.

There remains a raw, emotional edge to Kohli that was particularly evident in Australia. He was fined for giving fans at the SCG the finger, a response to abuse of his mother and sister, and when he made his maiden Test hundred he celebrated wildly. You could imagine him whipping off his top at Lord's like Sourav Ganguly. But he is slowly smoothing off the rough edges and is now vice-captain of India's one-day team.

There is certainly nothing abrasive about his bat, which seems to have a never-ending sweet spot. His timing on the leg side is sublime, while his cover drive could soothe the most troubled brow. His timing can be pretty sweet off the field, too. In the joyous aftermath of India's World Cup victory last year, the team carried Sachin Tendulkar around the ground on their shoulders; when asked about it a few minutes later, Kohli said "Tendulkar has carried the burden of the nation for 21 years so it's time we carried him on our shoulders". It's not just bowlers who can deliver the perfect line.

In 15 years' time, somebody might be saying the same about Kohli. It's hard to see him fading away like another batsman with the same initials, Vinod Kambli. He was Tendulkar's peer – they added 664 together in one school game – but played only 17 Tests, the last at the age of 23. "Sachin took the elevator and I took the staircase," said Kambli. If the last year is anything to go by, Kohli is in the same elevator, heading inexorably for greatness.

Source : http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/oct/03/the-spin-virat-kohli

 

[Chromeuser]

"Sachin took the elevator and I took the staircase," said Kambli. If the last year is anything to go by, Kohli is in the same elevator, heading inexorably for greatness.

Hope elevator doesn't falter in future.
And Indeed it doesn't seems like purple patch for Kohli.

 

[Animal]

A man of enormous talent. Hope he continues and we continue to read such articles.

 

[Sandeep]

Woah...too much hype on Virat! But he's responding to every bit of it...that's the beauty

 

[IndianWillow]

In 15 years' time, somebody might be saying the same about Kohli. It's hard to see him fading away like another batsman with the same initials, Vinod Kambli. He was Tendulkar's peer – they added 664 together in one school game – but played only 17 Tests, the last at the age of 23. "Sachin took the elevator and I took the staircase," said Kambli. If the last year is anything to go by, Kohli is in the same elevator, heading inexorably for greatness.

Kambli did not take the stair case. He took off on a plane and crash landed, never to go up again.

 

[Chromeuser]

In 15 years' time, somebody might be saying the same about Kohli. It's hard to see him fading away like another batsman with the same initials, Vinod Kambli. He was Tendulkar's peer – they added 664 together in one school game – but played only 17 Tests, the last at the age of 23. "Sachin took the elevator and I took the staircase," said Kambli. If the last year is anything to go by, Kohli is in the same elevator, heading inexorably for greatness.

Kambli did not take the stair case. He took off on a plane and crash landed, never to go up again.

Above story goes well with Virat & Rohit shrama
It seems like Sharma is riding on a bullock cart nowadays

He has to catch up ASAP otherwise in the 15 years time Sharma might be saying the same story with 2 different actors

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Attitude or not his work ethic is brilliant, he reminds me of Ponting (of 1998) not Sachin

I hope he maintains this consistency and scores in all forms of cricket, esp TEST cricket

 

[Bhaijaan]

Some funny comments, Rohit Sharma is riding a rikshaw probably. Quite a bumpy ride.

 

[Chromeuser]

[tube] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iakChQMIx4&feature=relmfu [/tube]

Virat in Aap ki adalat.
He said he don't like getting out & has broken many bats during his childhood

 

[mastermind_quad]

Everybody is over hyping him

 

[mastermind_quad]

All the best .....Hope this stardom don't get in your head....

Always do what you do the best... win games for us...All the best.

 

[zains_rulez]

Play Kohli at 6th Position . . .

Virat Kohli the most emerging and talented batsman featuring Indian batting line-up from 2008 . . . A typical modern-day cricketer, Virat Kohli plays his game aggressively with the AVG of 51.81 in ODI's & 41.35 in tests. . . .

He's playing at one-down position consistently and producing more results from his batting . .

What if Dhoni play Virat kohli at number 6th position & ask him to score, mostly when you had only 10 or 5 overs remaining ??

The Same case is with Umar Akmal , Our team & management playing umar akmal at number 6th position both in (ODI's & T20's) from long time and then expecting from umar akmal to smash every ball out of ground when limited overs are remaining , power play is on and opponent team had their front line bowlers doing death overs ... ?

Still this boy managed to have AVG of 38.00 in ODI's and 35.8 in Tests ....

Im not comparing umar akmal with kohli but just pointing the fact why kohli is more consistent in his batting ...

 

[Saurav]

totally agree.not that batting at 3 will sureshot improve his performance,but atleast he gotta be given fair chance

 

[Mobashir]

If we bat at Umar Akmal at 3 in ODI's then Azhar Ali, Asad Shafik and Misbah will have to bat at 4, 5 and 6.
So Misbah prefers to sacrifice our best hope, Umar Akmal, down the order. By doing this, he and his beloved players can score slow runs to loose us matches.

 

[Chakarbakar]

This forum pays far too much attention to a player like Kohli, who chokes in all important matches and is yet to prove himself at the Test level. A few knocks against Sri Lanka and Pakistan in flat tracks have made him a new hero. He still has to go miles.

On topic, if Umar Akmal plays at 4, he'll surely do much better and win many more games for Pakistan.

 

[Sandeep]

another U Akmal thread?! Is there no other batsman in entire Pakistan?

 

[MRSN]

been saying this for decades now I think..

 

[IgnitedMind]

True...Umar Akmal needs to play at 3 or 4 !!! It is common sense....I do not see why the managament is not seeing this

 

[Sandeep]

This forum pays far too much attention to a player like Kohli, who chokes in all important matches and is yet to prove himself at the Test level. A few knocks against Sri Lanka and Pakistan in flat tracks have made him a new hero. He still has to go miles.

On topic, if Umar Akmal plays at 4, he'll surely do much better and win many more games for Pakistan.

 

[Saurav]

This forum pays far too much attention to a player like Kohli, who chokes in all important matches and is yet to prove himself at the Test level. A few knocks against Sri Lanka and Pakistan in flat tracks have made him a new hero. He still has to go miles.

On topic, if Umar Akmal plays at 4, he'll surely do much better and win many more games for Pakistan.

))

 

[Bullet Drive]

Also been saying this for ages. Umar Akmal needs a chance to prove him self there. I'd actually have him at 4 and Azhar Ali at 3.

Our ODI team is losing many many matches with the old guys, why not make changes and experiment? Nothing to lose. Misbah must go & Hafeez must move down the order or leave the team.

Team should look like this:

Nasir Jamshed, Ahmed Shehzad, Azhar Ali, Umar Akmal, Haris Sohail/Usman Salahuddin, Hammad Azam.

 

[Murakh]

i dont think batting at 3rd or 6th really matter.as long as misba,kamran,afridi will be there i dont think umar has any opportunity to improve hi stats.Put him into indian team instead of nohit i am sure he will started to flow

 

[Sandeep]

i dont think batting at 3rd or 6th really matter.as long as misba,kamran,afridi will be there i dont think umar has any opportunity to improve hi stats.Put him into indian team instead of nohit i am sure he will started to flow

I'd never have an Akmal in our team

 

[IndianWillow]

Batting at no 6 is not necessarily a big issue. Dhoni at no 6 or 7 has averaged 50+ in ODI at a healthy S/R. In a relatively weak batting line up like Pakistan, Umar should grab his chances at any batting position, because the top order of Pak is not such that the top three bat until the 40th over and give Umar Akmal very few opportunities. Why not stand up at no 5/6 and deliver big? That will automatically promote him up the order, in due course.

 

[Sandeep]

Batting at no 6 is not necessarily a big issue. Dhoni at no 6 or 7 has averaged 50+ in ODI at a healthy S/R. In a relatively weak batting line up like Pakistan, Umar should grab his chances at any batting position, because the top order of Pak is not such that the top three bat until the 40th over and give Umar Akmal very few opportunities. Why not stand up at no 5/6 and deliver big? That will automatically promote him up the order, in due course.

On a serious note, the problem I see is Umar Akmal will not have enough partners left at the other end...

 

[MRSN]

another U Akmal thread?! Is there no other batsman in entire Pakistan?

Not really we have good emerging talent in the form of Azhar Ali,Nasir Jamshed and Afridi.

 

[praveen]

Agree with OP. He needs to bat higher.

 

[Murakh]

Originally Posted bySandeep99

I'd never have an Akmal in our team

i am not saying i wanted him in my team i wanted to justify UMARs position in pakistan batting line up

 

[Executioner]

This forum pays far too much attention to a player like Kohli, who chokes in all important matches and is yet to prove himself at the Test level. A few knocks against Sri Lanka and Pakistan in flat tracks have made him a new hero. He still has to go miles.

On topic, if Umar Akmal plays at 4, he'll surely do much better and win many more games for Pakistan.

name a player who has shown half the promise as kohli at such a young age?

 

[MRSN]

I'd never have an Akmal in our team

won't you like someone who can actually play short pitch stuff?

 

[Chakarbakar]

))

Not very funny, my lord.

Please check his scores in all the final matches he has played and let me know if I am wrong. Also his average in WI and in Aus. Also, his average against Australia or South Africa (when not playing at home).

 

[Bullet Drive]

On a serious note, the problem I see is Umar Akmal will not have enough partners left at the other end...

This is exactly the problem. People all saying 'Hussey & Dhoni average 50 at 6' but the difference is they play with a good line up and they mostly have partners at the other end.

 

[Sandeep]

won't you like someone who can actually play short pitch stuff?

No thanks! We're quite happy with Raina who does the job when required! Test matches...ah we have loads of batsmen in our country...you'll see them all soon

 

[Chakarbakar]

name a player who has shown half the promise as kohli at such a young age?

SRT. Double the promise and performance. Include Tests here, and overseas performance against quality bowlers. Kohli has feasted on mediocre SL and Pakistani bowlers, and has shat while facing quality SA/Aus bowlers.

 

[Sandeep]

Not really we have good emerging talent in the form of Azhar Ali,Nasir Jamshed and Afridi.

Mate...you need to have one sarcasm detector!

 

[Sandeep]

SRT. Double the promise and performance. Include Tests here, and overseas performance against quality bowlers. Kohli has feasted on mediocre SL and **** bowlers, and has shat while facing quality SA/Aus bowlers.

Control mate..

 

[Amir]

To play at 3 you have to be successful at 3. People think playing Umar up the order is going to make him a world class batsmen all of a sudden? No. Sorry, it won't. All great players start from the bottom. Ponting started at six. Kohli started at six. You earn your way up.

It is not like Pakistan haven't given a chance to Umar at 4 and he has failed most of the time.

 

[Madplayer]

Kohli at 6? Woah that looks ugly and this surely shows what nonsense job Pakistan team management has done with umar akmal..
Apart from umar akmal Pakistan also need some "hatte katte nojawaan" (well built youngsters) who can hit sixes when needed ,at will and without much effort.. For some reasons I feel Pakistan lacks a six hitter who can change the complextion of the game.

 

[Chakarbakar]

Control mate..

Control exactly what?

I am new here, so please enlighten me - is pointing out the relevant flaws of a cricketer disallowed here?

 

[Saurav]

Not very funny, my lord.

Please check his scores in all the final matches he has played and let me know if I am wrong. Also his average in WI and in Aus. Also, his average against Australia or South Africa (when not playing at home).

scored a good 37 in WC final wen he came in at 31-2 chasing 275

avg in WI-40 in Aus 54.avg v SA in SA-48.

only avg v Aus in Aus is bad.but nobody's perfect n we r talking about a young man.countries like England,NZ matter too.n hes done well v Pak in both Asia Cup n T20 which shows how much of a big match player he is

 

[Madplayer]

To play at 3 you have to be successful at 3. People think playing Umar up the order is going to make him a world class batsmen all of a sudden? No. Sorry, it won't. All great players start from the bottom. Ponting started at six. Kohli started at six. You earn your way up.

It is not like Pakistan haven't given a chance to Umar at 4 and he has failed most of the time.

Kohli started at 6? R u sure?

 

[Sandeep]

Pakistan see Umar Akmal as their finisher... Even Asad Shafiq can come in at 4 (and do what Umar Akmal would do if he's at 4) But runs at the death is what Pakistan is looking at... Pakistan have always played their power hitters down the order... this is not anything new

 

[Sandeep]

Control exactly what?

I am new here, so please enlighten me - is pointing out the relevant flaws of a cricketer disallowed here?

mediocre SL and **** bowlers

In your early statement, you used some slang term for a Nation I suppose and it appeared ****, so just warning you... If you didn't, chill!

 

[Madplayer]

Pakistan see Umar Akmal as their finisher... Even Asad Shafiq can come in at 4 (and do what Umar Akmal would do if he's at 4) But runs at the death is what Pakistan is looking at... Pakistan have always played their power hitters down the order... this is not anything new

Umer akmal is not really a power hitter. He is not a finisher. He is a player who can come in early and make sure we dont need a finisher or "power hitter" in the end.. Ponting had a very good strike rate too ,he could hit big sixes too ,australians never sent him down the order.. It is not neccessary that u should always have an anchor or a relatively defensive player at the top.

 

[Chakarbakar]

In your early statement, you used some slang term for a Nation I suppose and it appeared ****, so just warning you... If you didn't, chill!

Ah okay. Didn't see it in that way at all, and have corrected myself. Thanks for pointing out!

 

[Saurav]

Kohli started at 6? R u sure?

in tests,hes still at 5

 

[Sandeep]

in tests,hes still at 5

And all the failures were at no.6...so leave them as he was batting too down the order? What say trolls?

 

[Chakarbakar]

scored a good 37 in WC final wen he came in at 31-2 chasing 275

avg in WI-40 in Aus 54.avg v SA in SA-48.

only avg v Aus in Aus is bad.but nobody's perfect n we r talking about a young man.countries like England,NZ matter too.n hes done well v Pak in both Asia Cup n T20 which shows how much of a big match player he is

That 30+ in the WC final was an okay innings, nothing which shows 'special talent'. Was a pretty easy pitch to bat on, and had some okay bowlers barring Malinga. I was talking about his single digit averages in Tests in WI, and his 30 odd average against Australia in Tests.

Two things are clear about Kohli as of now:

a) He is very, very good against average bowlers and on flat tracks in low-pressure tournaments and does averagely in high pressure tournaments and in finals

b) He is pretty ordinary in overseas Tests and struggles against real fast bowlers/good quality bowlers in unfamiliar conditions.

Too sum up, still a long way to go before he gets all this adulation. Also, this is his purple patch. I shudder to think what he'll do when he is not in such good form (which is bound to come sooner or later).

 

[Sandeep]

That 30+ in the WC final was an okay innings, nothing which shows 'special talent'. Was a pretty easy pitch to bat on, and had some okay bowlers barring Malinga. I was talking about his single digit averages in Tests in WI, and his 30 odd average against Australia in Tests.

Two things are clear about Kohli as of now:

a) He is very, very good against average bowlers and on flat tracks in low-pressure tournaments and does averagely in high pressure tournaments and in finals

b) He is pretty ordinary in overseas Tests and struggles against real fast bowlers/good quality bowlers in unfamiliar conditions.

Too sum up, still a long way to go before he gets all this adulation. Also, this is his purple patch. I shudder to think what he'll do when he is not in such good form (which is bound to come sooner or later).

What is your opinion on Umar Akmal, Sir?

 

[Saurav]

That 30+ in the WC final was an okay innings, nothing which shows 'special talent'. Was a pretty easy pitch to bat on, and had some okay bowlers barring Malinga. I was talking about his single digit averages in Tests in WI, and his 30 odd average against Australia in Tests.

Two things are clear about Kohli as of now:

a) He is very, very good against average bowlers and on flat tracks in low-pressure tournaments and does averagely in high pressure tournaments and in finals

b) He is pretty ordinary in overseas Tests and struggles against real fast bowlers/good quality bowlers in unfamiliar conditions.

Too sum up, still a long way to go before he gets all this adulation. Also, this is his purple patch. I shudder to think what he'll do when he is not in such good form (which is bound to come sooner or later).

hes just played 10 tests,c'mon give him a break,its ODI wat we r talking about n where he is so admired.